If Cam Ward goes to the Titans Hunter should be our pick. It's like getting 2 players with one pick. JMO
Yep that way we can lose two starters instead of one when he gets hurt.
Well, if we don't draft him, he'll stay healthy and be great at both while we have both WRs and DBs end up on season ending IR. So, I'm not sure focusing on the theoretically possible negatives while ignoring the possible positives is the optimal way to look at it. Undoubtedly you have to find the right balance, but I think Browns fans have been conditioned to expect the worst a bit too thoroughly. (Not without reason.)
I don't think drafting that way works though because bad things can happen to anyone (and multiple of them.) Focus on the positives and what you can do to make the most of them. Hunter has a lot to potentially make the most of.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I believe that was just a joke by GM and the emoji is directed hat himself.... just how i read it.
And I am with everyone and anyone that says trade back for the right offer. Would love a 9-14 pick in the draft this year with an additional first rounder next year or multiple 2s this year.
Last edited by mgh888; 04/09/2512:53 PM.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
This is a serious question, brought about by a conversation I heard on either Fox or ESPN during draft talk. They mentioned that Hunter was only 185lbs on a 6' 1" frame. For the heck of it, I looked up Denzel Ward, because he seems inured a lot. He is listed as 2" shorter and 5 lbs heavier. Denzel looks sort of slight of build
Does anyone have concerns regarding Hunter, especially if he plays both ways? Woodlot that create a lot more wear and tear?
Again, serious question, not looking for laughs or to be dressed down for asking. I think it is a legitimate concern and am curious if anyone feels the same.
This is a serious question, brought about by a conversation I heard on either Fox or ESPN during draft talk. They mentioned that Hunter was only 185lbs on a 6' 1" frame. For the heck of it, I looked up Denzel Ward, because he seems inured a lot. He is listed as 2" shorter and 5 lbs heavier. Denzel looks sort of slight of build
Does anyone have concerns regarding Hunter, especially if he plays both ways? Woodlot that create a lot more wear and tear?
Again, serious question, not looking for laughs or to be dressed down for asking. I think it is a legitimate concern and am curious if anyone feels the same.
Usually, one of the first things brought up as a negative about Hunter is his frame....for both positions. So yes, I think that is a concern by many people up to this point.
I'll add he is 21 so there is time to fill out, I suppose.
Last edited by MemphisBrownie; 04/09/2503:07 PM.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
It certainly is a concern of many. But I think what Memphis mentioned is also deserving of consideration. At 21 years of age and with NFL training he's sure to put more weight on that frame. So there are two ways of looking at it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“It don’t matter where I go. I know the influence I have on society and on culture. So wherever I go, it’s definitely going to be an improvement than what it was before I got there,"-Shedeur Sanders
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“It don’t matter where I go. I know the influence I have on society and on culture. So wherever I go, it’s definitely going to be an improvement than what it was before I got there,"-Shedeur Sanders
There are things to like and dislike about Shedeur Sanders, but I don't see any issues with this quote. By all accounts he is a good kid. Never been in trouble with the law. Doesn't have children with multiple women. The fact is aware his actions impact the culture, and his personality improves society and the culture he is in is a good thing. Wish other players had that same awareness.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
He said the influence he had on "society". How much more of an arrogant statement can a 23 year old make than that? Come on man.
So, the kid sees himself as a positive influence. I would much rather he feel he is a positive influence than someone that is unaware and hurts other people with their actions intentionally and unintentionally.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
This is a serious question, brought about by a conversation I heard on either Fox or ESPN during draft talk. They mentioned that Hunter was only 185lbs on a 6' 1" frame. For the heck of it, I looked up Denzel Ward, because he seems inured a lot. He is listed as 2" shorter and 5 lbs heavier. Denzel looks sort of slight of build
Does anyone have concerns regarding Hunter, especially if he plays both ways? Woodlot that create a lot more wear and tear?
Again, serious question, not looking for laughs or to be dressed down for asking. I think it is a legitimate concern and am curious if anyone feels the same.
I do think it is a reasonable concern. I posted this previously...
Hunter weighed in at 188lbs at the combine.
**Note - Nate Tice amended to include Denzel Ward on the CB list.
This is a serious question, brought about by a conversation I heard on either Fox or ESPN during draft talk. They mentioned that Hunter was only 185lbs on a 6' 1" frame. For the heck of it, I looked up Denzel Ward, because he seems inured a lot. He is listed as 2" shorter and 5 lbs heavier. Denzel looks sort of slight of build
Does anyone have concerns regarding Hunter, especially if he plays both ways? Woodlot that create a lot more wear and tear?
Again, serious question, not looking for laughs or to be dressed down for asking. I think it is a legitimate concern and am curious if anyone feels the same.
Not really a concern for me. In some ways, less weight is less wear and tear. It is something to consider, but it's more something to factor in how you use him than a disqualification, for me. I want him playing the ball, not looking for contact. Think Deion Sanders. I'd kind of feel that way even if he was heavier. Got to protect your game breakers. The game has kind of changed. With seasons only getting longer, avoiding contact is likely going to rise for skill players league wide. I also think he'll add some weight over time and be within the standard size spectrum. It's not like he's Tank Dell or Tez Johnson. I'm fine with going Lambo over dump truck at WR. I'm not against getting a big slot later to do more dirty work, I just wouldn't ask that of the explosive playmaker.
I also think he takes the recovery/preparation side of staying healthy seriously. He's kind of on a Tom Brady-like regimen already. Pretty much treatment/maintenance work multiple times every day.
With regards to Ward, size doesn't protect your brain or lack of size make damaging it more likely.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
This is a serious question, brought about by a conversation I heard on either Fox or ESPN during draft talk. They mentioned that Hunter was only 185lbs on a 6' 1" frame. For the heck of it, I looked up Denzel Ward, because he seems inured a lot. He is listed as 2" shorter and 5 lbs heavier. Denzel looks sort of slight of build
Does anyone have concerns regarding Hunter, especially if he plays both ways? Woodlot that create a lot more wear and tear?
Again, serious question, not looking for laughs or to be dressed down for asking. I think it is a legitimate concern and am curious if anyone feels the same.
Not really a concern for me. In some ways, less weight is less wear and tear. It is something to consider, but it's more something to factor in how you use him than a disqualification, for me. I want him playing the ball, not looking for contact. Think Deion Sanders. I'd kind of feel that way even if he was heavier. Got to protect your game breakers. The game has kind of changed. With seasons only getting longer, avoiding contact is likely going to rise for skill players league wide. I also think he'll add some weight over time and be within the standard size spectrum. It's not like he's Tank Dell or Tez Johnson. I'm fine with going Lambo over dump truck at WR. I'm not against getting a big slot later to do more dirty work, I just wouldn't ask that of the explosive playmaker.
I also think he takes the recovery/preparation side of staying healthy seriously. He's kind of on a Tom Brady-like regimen already. Pretty much treatment/maintenance work multiple times every day.
With regards to Ward, size doesn't protect your brain or lack of size make damaging it more likely.
Back to Ward for a second, would having a slight build cause you to maybe tackle with arms, more than "drive through" a guy, so you absorb less of a collision as a survival instinct kind of thing? Again, I don;t know just asking for info.
Back to Ward for a second, would having a slight build cause you to maybe tackle with arms, more than "drive through" a guy, so you absorb less of a collision as a survival instinct kind of thing? Again, I don;t know just asking for info.
Honestly, I think a lot of the time it's secondary collisions/hitting the ground/friendly fire causing concussions more than initial impact on a tackle. There are lots of variables on every impact happening on multiple planes so hard to say either way is "better" for concussion prevention. Are you more likely to catch a knee in the earhole while arm tackling? Maybe. Maybe not.
It's more an issue of changing direction than force of impact in one direction, and how that force is dissipated. Hitting someone hard and their going back dissipates the force more than hitting the ground with less force but the ground not giving. It's kind of about rolling with the punches. Don't want to get caught moving in one direction then forced to go the opposite (or in the case of the ground an instantaneous stop.) That's when your brain bounces off the inside of your skull.
The dissipation factor is part of the reason players are taught to keep their heads out of the way when tackling. The body is designed for impacts elsewhere to have more give and not be fully expressed on the head, there are "shock absorbers" in the neck to blunt impacts as well. Unfortunately, when the head itself hits an "immovable object" (i.e, the ground) squarely at speed, bad things happen.
When a receiver ducks his helmet as you try to tackle him and you have to pull off as a DB it leaves you in a precarious position. The WR has the momentum. The DB is the one that is likely to be changing direction at the collision. And likely to be the one hitting the ground harder and "cushioning" the WR.
In some ways I think the seeming "protectiveness" of helmets causes concussions. Offensive players ducking into contact is problematic. The NFL has started to throw flags on RBs "lowering the helmet" a bit more recently. Sometimes I do wonder if the old school leather helmets were actually safer. Not so much in absorbing hits, but in leading players to avoid taking them to the head.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I believe that was just a joke by GM and the emoji is directed hat himself.... just how i read it.
And I am with everyone and anyone that says trade back for the right offer. Would love a 9-14 pick in the draft this year with an additional first rounder next year or multiple 2s this year.
Myles has asked for a trade. Maybe he still wants one but the Browns told him they couldn't do it this year without sending him to a crappy team with a high pick and his status didn't give any incentive for a team to trade for him with nothing left on the contract.
The new contract provides a long term lease for any team that trades for him and gives Garrett protection from being traded to a bottom dweller. Couple in Haslams comment about maybe it taking a couple of years to find the QB we want.
Trading Garrett would net us at least 2 first rounders....maybe a bit more given his contract stability. That would give us enough to go after any QB we might want in next years draft.
Who knows, maybe a deal is already in place that can't happen until after June 1st.
Anyway, just a thought.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I believe that was just a joke by GM and the emoji is directed hat himself.... just how i read it.
And I am with everyone and anyone that says trade back for the right offer. Would love a 9-14 pick in the draft this year with an additional first rounder next year or multiple 2s this year.
100 percent correct Sir.
I get that. It is an argument that has been thrown around seriously by others, though.
I felt the idea deserved to be addressed, with a bit of my own black "humor" thrown in.
Generally, I'm in favor of the trade back. With where we're at in it and the way the talent in this draft seems to stack, it doesn't make as much sense as usual to me.
Carter and Hunter appear to be clear and away the best prospects in the class. They'd likely be the best prospects in next year's class. Even if we add future picks they are unlikely to be as impactful as those two could be. If you could guarantee the first pick next year, and a QB being available there that is "worthy" of the pick, sure a deal would make sense. Unfortunately, both those things seem doubtful to me at this point.
Obviously, a lot can change in a year, but both those things hitting for us seems unlikely. It feels more likely to end up like the Julio Jones trade. The theoretical value of the trade was good, but ultimately, I'd have rather just guaranteed the great player.
I feel like there is a trickle down effect in a sense. Great players assist in letting "lesser" players perform better as opponents attention is directed towards the game changer.
I.e, I think Travis Hunter helped Shedeur look better than he would have with more middle of the road receivers. I think he helps whoever ends up being the QB more than any other result is likely to.
To me, it's all about finding the QB. To me, Hunter makes it easier for whoever that is to succeed. He gives you more margin for error at QB. He helps set it up for "any" QB (above a certain threshold, whatever that may be) to be in a better position to succeed.
To me the decision is would you rather have Justin Jefferson or (prime) Von Miller. I think this team needs offense in the worst way. Sure, Stefanski has shown he can at times manufacture offense. I think Hunter has the potential to provide "instant" offense. He can make a play when what happens on the field isn't schematically ideal. Throw in that we already have Myles Garrett and Travis Hunter/"JJ" might also be able to provide some Ed Reed style impact to your D in spots and that's where I lean.
I don't want to pass on him for future potential Phil Taylors, Brandon Weedens, and Trent Richardsons.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Would like to see Cam in a Browns Uni. I think he is an AFC North RB and love the way he finishs his runs. Not a lot of DB's are going to want to tackle him in the 4th quarter. I believe he and Ford would be a nice combination. I do believe we will prioritize another RB in the 7th or a priority free agent. That room need to get younger and faster IMO. A lot of good RB's in this draft and Ford needs to be pushed.
Good points about the RB situation. I agree, we need to get younger, and we need a guy who’ll draw the attention of a defence. I’m hoping we’ll bring Chubb back because he deserves a shot, but a difference maker at RB would be nice.
1. Pick #3 will be Abdul Carter (+300). The line has since moved to -270 since making my bet. It was -250 when I last adjusted this post. 2. Pick #4 will be Will Campbell (+250). The line has since moved to -155 since making my bet. It was -110 when I last adjusted this post.
New ones....
3. Shedeur Sanders Over 8.5 draft position (-300) 4. Pick #5 will be Mason Graham (-125). The line has since moved to -120. 5. Pick #6 will be Ashton Jeanty (-150) 6. Pick #7 will be Armand Membou (-115) 7. PIck #8 will be Jalon Walker (+150)
Some interesting betting odds I've seen this morning. - Jaxon Dart's draft position of Under 24.5 is -140. - Jalen Milroe is only +145 to be drafted in the first round. - Total QBs selected in the first round at Over 2.5 is -475. These odds have gotten worse over the past few weeks.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Does anyone think Howard has more upside than Dart or Milroe? By the way does anyone know why Bone hasn't been posting?
Milroe has the most upside potential of any QB in this draft class including Cam Ward. I think Dart has better arm talent than Howard. Howard looks the part of a franchise QB is stature.
I would rank the QBs like this. Although 2 thru 7 is so close it may just be personal preference what you're looking for. I believe 4 of these QB's are going in the 1st. Ward to the Titans, Sanders to the Saints, Milroe to the Steelers, and Dart to either the Browns or Giants whoever trades back into the 1st round.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
I believe we want Milroe too because of his high upside not to mention our OC Tommy Rees and we can sit him for a year or 2 behind JF and KP who will be very good mentors for him especially Joe.
I don’t want Milroe, and it’s not because he’s not talented. He will be rushed onto the field before he’s ready imo, and we’ve seen that movie too many times. ANY QB in this draft other than ward or sanders should sit a minimum of a year. Mark my words if he’s drafted, we’ll ruin him.
I am also expecting we are looking at Milroe too. Overall, I am fine with most of the choices that have been brought up; trading back a few spots, drafting Hunter, drafting Carter.
On a personal level my biggest need is RB. Whoever we draft at QB is going to be developmental, we need to hit on the RB. I hope we draft two of them. One in the first couple rounds and one in the middle or maybe late. Winston really needed a top tier back last year, so he didn't have to throw 50+ passes a game. The same goes this year with Flacco. When the time comes to start the young QB, he's going to need that RB to take some of the pressure off of him.
Regarding Milroe, I have this crazy vision in my head with the Browns running an offense similar to the first couple of years with Lamar and the Ravens. Heavy doses of running (between the QB and the RB) while Milroe (hopefully) continues to grow as a QB.
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