Just a thread to talk about it. It should be a fact free MAGA wet dream since dems are being told not to disrupt. So there will be plenty of BS to sort through tomorrow. And Fox will put out the talking points asap. Yeah for lies and BS! Trump pwned the dems! Can’t wait to see the idiocy unfold. Meanwhile eggs are at an ALL TIME HIGH, we’re fighting with our allies, and doing what Putin wants. Trump is going after social security, medicaid, VA benefits; but he has done nothing to help the little people. He’s single handedly and illegally crashing the economy with Elon doing who knows what, planes can’t stay in the air as they continue to fire thousands of government employees without cause, and the dumbest people on earth are okey dokey with it all.
Don’t ask me how we got here, but we are damn sure in the upside down.
Republicans should stop telling Dems what to do. Good god man, you didn’t see the wicked perversion in honoring a kid surviving cancer while killing childhood cancer research? Or that he is literally stripping millions of kids of medicaid and food stamps? No, you didn’t think of any of that after orange blubber blew BS up your ass forever. Nobody wasn’t happy for that one kid, they were standing for the millions about to be hurt. I think you might have a little speck of BS in your hearts eye.
Dem leaders should be embarrassed with the bingo signs and not clapping for a child who with cancer
Dems need to put the old hens to passage. Otherwise, Republican lead will grow in 26.
weren't you one of the posters swearing up and down there was gonna be a red wave in 22?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think this board has the 16% angry. We all know their usernames really well!!!
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Hopefully with the information I've posted on the board here. Many of you were aware of the many lies that Trump told, including when he claimed $350 billion of aid to Ukraine and that Europe had only provided 100 billion.
Interesting to see poles posted as if they mean something by those that have derided them for so long
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I sincerely don't know which was worse, Trump alternating between temper tantrum and stroking his own ego or the Democrats... just sitting there.
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think establishment Dems just sitting there and taking it is the most shocking thing going on right now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
So I did what I thought I'd do,, Watch something else and flip back from time to time. I flipped back twice.. Both times I heard Trump lie. Both times, Biden and the Dems were to blame..
The guy is a moron.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I sincerely don't know which was worse, Trump alternating between temper tantrum and stroking his own ego or the Democrats... just sitting there.
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think establishment Dems just sitting there and taking it is the most shocking thing going on right now.
Oh, I know on the dems. Progressives have been raising hell with them too. “Get up and fight this crap” has been the message but the language is a little rougher than that. The centrist dems think the rules of normalcy still apply. NEROs. But a handful are creating good trouble. Crocket, AOC, Bernie, Swalwell, and Schiff are the most vocal.
The centrist think they should move to the right. Like always. And figure out how to work with Trump and MAGA… All that will do is result more neoliberal elitists agendas. The wealth gap is the issue neither party’s establishment members will attack and the primary reason we are where we are. I won’t be voting for anyone that is not trying to level the playing field after this.
Did anyone notice the way trump praised people who were willing to work for peanuts and risk their lives for grand projects… The Hoover Dam and Golden Gate Bridge were built during the depression when people were desperate. And the Panama canal was built in 1904, another time when poverty was skyrocketing. This spoke volumes to me, because he seems hell bent on crashing the economy and impoverishing the entire working class. Looks like we are now disposable and going to be used to build the infrastructure to bring the elite unlimited prosperity during the age of AI. But I heard it might trickle down.
And I can see how people are falling for Trump’s rubbish. They just can’t figure out the guy lies all the damn time. Even when his lies eat them, they defend him. He told a good story for anyone who isn’t following closely. Hell, 20 years ago I would have been with MAGA on this and would have been lapping it up. But getting your life wrecked by republican policies SHOULD be a wake up call. It was for me.
When you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and see your goals of finally being financially secure within reach, just to have the rug pulled because Wall Street shanked the world, sucks on a level you could not fathom until it’s you it happens to. I think a lot of people are about to experience this. And a radical but simple shift in priorities is all that will save them. They will NEVER be rich in this scenario, so why do so many protect the elite at every turn? It’s mind boggling when you think about the hold the elite have created by dangling that carrot.
So far, people were able to build a little something, and many want to hold onto that at the expense of others taking the hits. Well, now they will be hitting us all, hard. So we can work together or continue to divide. There really is no other alternative. And when immigrants are gone, they’ll turn toward dems, or blacks, or lgbtq, or jewish and start the get em out process all over again. I been noticing how dems getting tossed from town-halls and the speech last night seems to be the new cool thing for the party of free speech. They’ve been programmed to look at us as less than them. It’s another reason I go hard at the ignorance.
Republicans claim democrats don't have a spine, then when some of them grow one they do things like throw them out of town halls and remove them from the State of the Union Speech.
I'm not sure I would call what he did proper but then as was mentioned, when MTG did it they called it standing up to Biden. When Green did it they call it rude and disrespectful.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
So I did what I thought I'd do,, Watch something else and flip back from time to time. I flipped back twice.. Both times I heard Trump lie. Both times, Biden and the Dems were to blame..
So I did what I thought I'd do,, Watch something else and flip back from time to time. I flipped back twice.. Both times I heard Trump lie. Both times, Biden and the Dems were to blame..
I sincerely don't know which was worse, Trump alternating between temper tantrum and stroking his own ego or the Democrats... just sitting there.
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think establishment Dems just sitting there and taking it is the most shocking thing going on right now.
Oh, I know on the dems. Progressives have been raising hell with them too. “Get up and fight this crap” has been the message but the language is a little rougher than that. The centrist dems think the rules of normalcy still apply. NEROs. But a handful are creating good trouble. Crocket, AOC, Bernie, Swalwell, and Schiff are the most vocal.
The centrist think they should move to the right. Like always. And figure out how to work with Trump and MAGA… All that will do is result more neoliberal elitists agendas. The wealth gap is the issue neither party’s establishment members will attack and the primary reason we are where we are. I won’t be voting for anyone that is not trying to level the playing field after this.
Fight how? Yelling and screaming isn't fighting, it's looking like a jerk. Burning down cities makes you look like criminals.
Everything the President does isn't bogus. You might start by being in agreement on some of the issues.
As it is the dems are against everything as a block. When you take that position it just makes you look like obstructionists and takes away from the issues where you might have valid points. People stop listening.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I’m just radical, you’re lost in MAGA cuckoo land. You have no sense of reality. I like saying crap like that to rouse you to your core. Because if one thing scares the hell out of people like you it’s Americans standing up for their rights. And if you paint a fearful picture, it almost insures the crapping of pants reactions like this.
Come meet my friends at an ANTIFA DEVIL DOGS meeting sometime, won’t ya?
And do you realize why CUCKOO is the perfect word for MAGA? It’s both Cuck and Eww combined. Just like MAGA’s orange dweeb leader. Just like most of MAGA men.
As it is the dems are against everything as a block. When you take that position it just makes you look like obstructionists and takes away from the issues where you might have valid points. People stop listening.
Amen.
I watched that that same game played out... from 2009 to 2016.
Another example of the heart of the problem.
The system that saw Tip O'Neal and Ronald Regan share drinks after work no longer exists. We've watched it erode steadily since the POTUS 42 admin. Credit Newt Gingrich* for the change in American political tone... and the current atmosphere that you & I now both occupy.
This dysfunction isn't new, and it wasn't unpredictable. I was a young man during the 42 Admin, when Newt was House Speaker. He was unvarnished in his political world-view. He was the guy who laid the groundwork for what we see on C-SPAN, nowadays.
I don't know if there is anything that can bring Am politics back to the RonTip dynamic. I'm afraid that ship has sailed- and sunk, somewhere over the horizon.
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Role in political polarization A number of scholars have credited Gingrich with playing a key role in undermining democratic norms in the United States, and hastening political polarization and partisan prejudice.[5][6][7][67][68][69][70][71][8][72][73][9] According to Harvard University political scientists Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky, Gingrich's speakership had a profound and lasting impact on American politics and health of American democracy. They argue that Gingrich instilled a "combative" approach in the Republican Party, where hateful language and hyper-partisanship became commonplace, and where democratic norms were abandoned. Gingrich frequently questioned the patriotism of Democrats, called them corrupt, compared them to fascists, and accused them of wanting to destroy the United States. Gingrich furthermore oversaw several major government shutdowns.[74][75][76][53]
University of Maryland political scientist Lilliana Mason identified Gingrich's instructions to Republicans to use words such as "betray, bizarre, decay, destroy, devour, greed, lie, pathetic, radical, selfish, shame, sick, steal, and traitors" about Democrats as an example of a breach in social norms and exacerbation of partisan prejudice.[5] Gingrich is a key figure in the 2017 book The Polarizers by Colgate University political scientist Sam Rosenfeld about the American political system's shift to polarization and gridlock.[6] Rosenfeld describes Gingrich as follows, "For Gingrich, responsible party principles were paramount... From the outset, he viewed the congressional minority party's role in terms akin to those found in parliamentary systems, prioritizing drawing stark programmatic contrasts over engaging the majority party as junior participants in governance."[6]
Boston College political scientist David Hopkins writes that Gingrich helped to nationalize American politics in a way where Democratic politicians on the state and local level were increasingly tied to the national Democratic party and President Clinton. Hopkins notes that Gingrich's view[73]
directly contradicted the conventional wisdom of politics... that parties in a two-party system achieve increasing electoral success as they move closer to the ideological center... Gingrich and his allies believed that an organized effort to intensify the ideological contrast between the congressional parties would allow the Republicans to make electoral inroads in the South. They worked energetically to tie individual Democratic incumbents to the party's more liberal national leadership while simultaneously raising highly charged cultural issues in Congress, such as proposed constitutional amendments to allow prayer in public schools and to ban the burning of the American flag, on which conservative positions were widely popular – especially among southern voters.
Gingrich's view was however vindicated with the Republican Party's success in the 1994 U.S. midterm elections, sometimes referred to as the "Gingrich Revolution."[73] Hopkins writes, "More than any speaker before or since, Gingrich had become both the strategic architect and public face of his party."[73] One consequence of the increasing nationalization of politics was that moderate Republican incumbents in blue states were left more vulnerable to electoral defeat.[73]
According to University of Texas political scientist Sean M. Theriault, Gingrich had a profound influence on other Republican lawmakers, in particular those who served with him in the House, as they adopted his obstructionist tactics.[7] A 2011 study by Theriault and Duke University political scientist David W. Rohde in the Journal of Politics found that "almost the entire growth in Senate party polarization since the early 1970s can be accounted for by Republican senators who previously served in the House after 1978" when Gingrich was first elected to the House.[77]
Democrats appeared to fiercely resist President Donald Trump’s agenda during his address last night to Congress. They dressed in pink to symbolize “power and protest.” They held up signs that said “False,” “No King,” and “Musk Steals.” And at least one was evicted by security guards for refusing to sit down and stay quiet.
But viewers of the spectacle left the evening without any clear idea of what Democrats were defending. Some said the pink outfits symbolized the defense of women, but why then had Senate Democrats voted unanimously just one day earlier to allow boys and men to compete in girls’ and women’s sports? The accusation of Trump as King, or dictator, or Hitler, etc, was also hard to take seriously, given that he won the popular vote three months ago and has a popularity rating 15 points higher than that of Democrats. And the Democrats’ heckling was risible given their condemnation just a few years ago of Republican members of Congress who had done the same to Democratic presidents.
Nonetheless, Democrats likely scored points with the public. Some Democrats held up signs defending Medicaid, which is popular with voters, including swing voters and Republicans, and which some Republicans in Congress wish to cut. And Democrats have tapped into genuine anxieties over the potential impact of Trump’s agenda on women, his alleged authoritarianism, and the role of Musk.
But the Democrats’ messaging on even their core issues was confusing and all over the place. The problem isn’t simply that they can’t decide whether to frame Trump as a liar, authoritarian, or cruel. It’s that they have lodged those accusations against him for eight years, voters still elected him president, and he hasn’t done anything to change their minds since taking office. The flip side of the same problem is that Democrats haven’t presented a positive agenda of their own that might define them as a better alternative to Trump and the Republicans. Most of the protests by Democrats, including their eviction from the speech last night, signified the lack of a core vision, values, and agenda for America.
Little surprise then that 76% of viewers of Trump’s speech told CBS News’s pollsters that they approved of what they heard. “We’re becoming the metaphorical car alarms that nobody pays attention to,” wrote US Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania on X a few hours ago.
In fact, the situation for Democrats is even worse than that. Not so long ago they said climate catastrophe was inevitable if they didn’t get hundreds of billions in taxpayer money to subsidize green energy. Now, Democrats are quiet about the large cuts to green energy subsidies and the abandonment of ESG policies by the world’s largest energy companies. Every Senate Democrat voted to allow boys and men to compete in girls’ and women’s sports, and yet no member of Congress last night held up signs saying “Transwomen Are Women”; many others had long since removed their pronouns from the X bios. And where during Trump’s first term in office, progressive leaders, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, histrionically accused the president of grave human rights violations for his immigration policy, Democrats did not denounce the decline in border crossings last month to their lowest level in 25 years, thanks to Trump’s crackdown.
The Democrats’ symbolically thin protests on some issues and their silence on others leave the impression that the party has few core convictions and is driven by vacuous emotionalism. If green energy investments are necessary to prevent the apocalypse, why didn’t a single Democrat wave a sign about climate change? If Trump’s insistence that there are only two sexes and that nobody is born into the wrong body is wrong, then why aren’t Democrats accusing him of encouraging trans suicides or even trans genocide? And if Trump is the white supremacist and racist Democrats have long said he is, why aren’t they defending the DEI programs Trump has eliminated?
The obvious answer to all of these questions is that the Democrats’ positions on transgenderism, climate change, and DEI are wildly unpopular and only becoming more so as new evidence emerges. Nearly 80% of respondents to a New York Times poll last month said they supported a ban on males in female sports. The Department of Justice is investigating the misuse of a $27 billion climate program managed by the Environmental Protection Agency. “It appears the billions didn’t revitalize anything,” noted the Free Press, “except the coffers of a range of environmental nonprofits associated with former Obama and Biden administration officials.” And in the weeks since Trump signed executive orders against DEI, journalists have reported that the Department of Education, Department of Justice, and Department of Defense had allocated hundreds of millions for divisive, racially segregationist DEI trainings and initiatives.
But that raises the question of why Democrats aren’t putting forward an original agenda. The two most high-profile efforts to propose an alternative agenda for Democrats came from center-left Substacker Matthew Yglesias and center-left think tank Third Way. But both of them simply recommended abandoning unpopular Democrat Party agenda items, including transgenderism, climate extremism, and DEI, to make Democrats appear more like Republicans. Neither offered anything new for Democrats to embrace other than a weak imitation of positions already embraced by Trump. The result is a kind of Democrat nihilism, where the party seems to stand for nothing and to be against Trump and Republicans for incoherent and emotional reasons. Why is that? Why have Democrats failed to create a coherent vision, agenda, and message?
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As it is the dems are against everything as a block. When you take that position it just makes you look like obstructionists and takes away from the issues where you might have valid points. People stop listening.
You do realize you could replace the word dems with Republicans and the exact same thing would be true don't you? Or do you? They did nothing but obstruct during both Obama's presidency as well as Bidens everywhere they could. As a block.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Everything the President does isn't bogus. You might start by being in agreement on some of the issues.
Name one thing that he's done in this term that checks all the following boxes:
1. Conceptually makes sense 2. Is in the best interest of the country 3. Executed in a thoughtful and effective way to achieve stated goal
I'm curious on which examples you'll come up with. I'm going to go ahead and give you my opinion which I assume will make up the gist of any argument against your response (if you choose to give any). Most if not all of what he's done so far check one or more boxes. None check all. A worrying amount don't check the first and/or second boxes.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Everything the President does isn't bogus. You might start by being in agreement on some of the issues.
Name one thing that he's done in this term that checks all the following boxes:
1. Conceptually makes sense 2. Is in the best interest of the country 3. Executed in a thoughtful and effective way to achieve stated goal
I'm curious on which examples you'll come up with. I'm going to go ahead and give you my opinion which I assume will make up the gist of any argument against your response (if you choose to give any). Most if not all of what he's done so far check one or more boxes. None check all. A worrying amount don't check the first and/or second boxes.
He's done none of that.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
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