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Have you in your entire life ever taken a lollipop from a store without paying for it?

Easy yes or no.

Ya WHIP ... i have ..

Clicked on bad by accident ...

Come on man, you can add. A owner is always going to have some say, be real here

Dorsey is in the lead. The guy he wants is the guy we end up hiring, Haslam isn't going to say no and hire someone off the chart.

And I believe there have been several football coaches who have been geniuses. Just like Musical geniuses, artistic geniuses, marketing geniuses and so forth. So IMO, there's no need to leave coaches out of it.

See above. This article may help shed light on why the definition of "genius" can't be as constrictive as you may think.

Link

Do I think it's over used? Sure. Should coaches be excluded? Not at all. And I doubt any true genius would consider themselves to be one if pressed on it.

If only we didn't have examples of Haslam doing this in the past.

So you're a THIEF too?

How bout we call you, me and Haslam UNETHICAL?

If he is doing the search, I would figure he is the one "choosing" who it would be. You act as if Haslam is going to look at his choices and pick someone else, I don't think that's how it works. I understand you are pushing the narrative that Dorsey is not going to hire the coach, and I think that is a false narrative. Using semantics for your agenda.


If Dorsey is doing the search, he will be the one picking the coach for the owner to hire. It is more than obvious to me.

I can't say if both of you are thieves or not, I would surmise that it wasn't to any serious degree, even if it was factually true, but you two do have one startling similarity, you both have caps lock keys that stick at inopportune moments when typing replies, with great regularity.

If u think anything the thief has done is NORMAL ... good lord bro ...

A GOOD OWNER lets his football people he hired do there job and GETS OUT OF THE WAY ...

There’s a HUGE DIFFERENCE between BEING INFORMED and KEPT UP TO DATE and being INVOLVED IN THE PROCCESS like the thief has so far ...

No, Diam is...unique.

Yes i am sir ... i’m guilty ...

Last time i stole was shoplifting when i was 15 ... if u think thats in the same category as what the THIEF did .... so be it .... feel free to call me a thief, unethical or whatever else u like ...

I’m comfie in the DIFFERATION between what i did as a 15 year old and what the thief did as a grown man ... also comfie with me stealing some records from JC Penny to seal to my friends and the THIEF scamming millions in the oil industry ....

If u think there one in the same .. thats why this is such a GREAT COUNTRY ... it used to be anyhow ..

WHEN we win the SB i will have a huge smile on my face and will turn the channel when they give the trophy to the THIEF ...

just cause he is the owner who brings the trophy home won’t change the FACTS ... HE’S A THIEF in my book anyhow ...

CONSISTENCY BRO ... ...

This is one of the funniest posts I've seen at this site in a long time. The Matthau/Lemmon reference was very clever.

Nicely played.
#gamerespectsgame

I am not sure we have examples. In the past he was leading the search. This time Dorsey is leading the search.

We have NO CLUE how this will end ... NONE ...

The THIEFS word has proven to be CRAP since he’s been here ... utter CRAP ...

I am EXTREMELY OPTIMISTIC this will END WELL .... but the THIEF saying Dorsey will lead the search still leaves me with an uneasy feeling due to the thiefs past ...

He SCREWED everything else up .. this job is just TOO SWEET and King John will make the difference ... i HOPE for all our sakes ....

...Amen.

Love u too dawg .... ...

thats the way i choose to perceive it .... *L* ...

...and perceived correctly.

He forced the Mansfield pick and, we were told, he forced the Hue Jackson hiring despite others in the organization wanting other coaches.

Mansfield - Jane?

or is that a combo Manziel/Mayfield = Mansfield - interesting.

Auto correct is both the best and worst.

Maybe he was driving from Cleveland to Columbus for The Game.

We’ll soon know dawg .... we’ll see soon ....

Just curious ... it the THIEF’s TRIGGER FINGER didn’t scare King John off at the STAGE HE TOOK THE JOB AT ... (no bake, no ward, no vice grips, NO WINS ) ...

But now cause Hue got fired that’ll SCARE THE NEW COACH OFF... ...

The situation was so attractive we got KING JOHN .. and after all KING JOHN has done and HIS REP around the league and EVERYTHING SURRONDING Hue’s firing ... for some reason were not gonna be able to get a coach cause of the thief ... ...

LOGIC MAC .... very very rare around here .... so rare some folks can’t notice it even when it’s RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM ...

We’ll know possibly in 7 or 8 weeks or it may take til the beginning of Feb ...

jc

https://247sports.com/Article/John-Dorse...tate-125224185/

John Dorsey went from Oklahoma-WVU to Michigan-Ohio State

Cleveland Browns General Manager John Dorsey was in attendance for Friday's night's matchup between Oklahoma and West Virginia in Morgantown, West Virginia. Dorsey was joined by Personnel Coordinator Dan Zegers.

There were several 2019 NFL Draft eligible prospects in the game.

West Virginia quarterback Will Grier has been labeled a potential first round pick. Wide receiver David Sills is considered a second to third round pick. Wide receiver Gary Jennings has a fourth to sixth round grade. WVU offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste has a third to fifth round grade according to WalterFootball.

Oklahoma running back Rodney Anderson is considered a fourth to sixth round pick by WalterFootball. Sooners wide receiver Marquise Brown has a first to second round grade. Offensive tackle Bobby Evans has a fourth to sixth round grade. Offensive guard Cody Ford has a first to second round grade. Offensive guard Ben Powers has a fourth to sixth round grade. Offensive guard Dru Samia is a late draft choice to a potential undrafted free agent.

Inside linebacker Caleb Kelly is considered a late round draft choice or a potential undrafted free agent.

Seattle Seahawks General Manager John Schneider, Carolina Panthers General Manager Marty Hurney, Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the Miami Dolphins Mike Tannebaum, Pittsburgh Steelers General Manager Kevin Colbert, New York Giants General Manager Dave Gettleman and Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane were also in attendance.

Dorsey then traveled a little closer to home to take in the Michigan-Ohio State game in Columbus.

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Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins is considered a Day Two pick by most. Running back Mike Weber has a second to fourth round grade according to WalterFootball. Buckeyes wide receiver Parris Campbell has a first to second round grade. Wide receiver KJ Hill carries a third to fourth round grade. Wide receiver Johnny Dixon is considered a late draft choice to potential undrafted free agent. Offensive tackle Isaiah Prince has a third to fourth round grade. Offensive guard Michael Jordan has a second to third round pick. Ohio State offensive guard Malcolm Pridgeon has a fourth to sixth round grade.

Buckeyes defensive end Nick Bosa is considered the likely No. 1 overall selection. Bosa is not playing in the game. Defensive tackle Dre'Mont Jones has a first to second round grade. Cornerback Kendall Sheffield has a second to third round grade. Cornerback Damon Arnette has a third to fifth round grade. Safety Jordan Fuller has a third to fifth round grade.

Michigan quarterback Shea Patterson is also considered a Day Two or Day Three pick. Running back Karan Higdon has a third to fifth round grade.

Wolverines defensive tackle Rashan Gary is considered a potential top-ten overall selection. Outside linebacker Chase Winovich has a second to third round grade. Inside linebacker Devin Bush is considered a likely first round choice. Cornerback Lavert Hill has a fifth to seventh round grade. Safety Khaleke Hudson has a second to fourth round grade.

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Those aftertastes with the vapor infused Sapphire puts it over the top, IMO.

I'm not pushing the narrative that he won't be making the selection. I'm saying that's a possibility. I mean how do you think we ended up with Manziel? lmao

Sometimes people see the unwritten word as the obvious. Some call that reading into things that simply aren't there. Nowhere has it been said that Dorsey has final say on the coaching hire. Now you can read those words that aren't there into things if you so choose.

I'm looking at the control and say that Haslam has insisted on having here and saying unless suddenly he's went through some huge metamorphosis we shouldn't jump to conclusions until after the hire is made.

Sometimes I think those guys are geniuses, sometimes not. Belichick probably has the best case for it but there are others.

There are other times where it's obvious there is rampant incompetence in this league. For example, it's still completely standard for every team in the league to punt on 4th and 1, despite all the evidence saying this is wrong.

The inability for even a single NFL team to implement anything close to a correct 4th down strategy, either due to ignorance or cowardice, is a huge black mark on the league.

There may be some more obscure explanations that could explain part of this. For example, let's say Belichick is truly a genius, then he would probably at least somewhat agree with what I wrote above (or I'm just wrong on this particular subject-- I'm not-- but others can make their own judgement on that).

He might prefer to not change the status quo, as the Patriots are such a consistently good team, he may prefer the lower volatility of the current strategy seen in the league. Mathematically, it probably leads to more close wins for the Patriots and less big wins and less close losses, a net plus in the wins column for that team. However, this makes the mistakes made by bad teams all the more glaring.

He'd also be able to pick and choose the 4th down situations that give the biggest boost to win probability, without shifting the meta so much that other teams start grabbing those too, where he'd be left pushing the edges on much closer (and more controversial) decisions.

It doesn't have to be a split second decision. This is something where a model can be created in the off-season, taking into account the field position, distance to go, score, and time remaining. It's already been done on several publicly available websites.

From there, adjustments can be made on close decisions based on strength of defense, play in the trenches, weather, and so on.

The keys here would be to a) not deviate too much from the base strategy and b) to deviate in both directions depending on the specifics... coaches are naturally risk-averse in these situations and always erring on the side of punting and never on the side of being 'extra' aggressive would be pushing things back in the wrong direction.

I'm not disagreeing with your point here, however, who was the GM when Haslam weaseled his way into picking Manziel? Somewhat rhetorical because I don't care, but my point is that Dorsey is not THAT guy - whomever he was.

I think one needs enough evidence to determine genius. We can all look at hindsight and say, "Wow! That guy was a genius!" But when someone has a very small sample size on a far smaller scale, you're taking a huge risk in trying to predict genius.

Adequate is a big improvement from where we've been.

And I find winning to be refreshing. These guys aren't milquetoasty pushovers this year! Great afternoon of football!

Go, Browns!