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Re: Music Thread #.... Oh hell, Iost count. lampdogg 01/22/25 12:42 AM
That was both hilarious, and lotsa truth! “His fingers are like lightning, they never hit the same place twice!”
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Re: Political Jokes Pt. 4 FATE 01/22/25 12:17 AM
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Re: Unconstitutional Don Swish 01/21/25 11:55 PM
nah i know, im just wondering how this helps our birthrate issue. especially since kids that are born here easily integrate into our culture.
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Re: Unconstitutional Don FATE 01/21/25 11:30 PM
Ehhh, it was mostly a smart-assed backhanded reply. That's actually my specialty. I'm trying to change.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II Swish 01/21/25 11:30 PM
Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fires-heads-tsa-coast-224441644.html

The aviation security committee, which was mandated by Congress after the 1988 PanAm 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, will technically continue to exist but it won't have any members to carry out the work of examining safety issues at airlines and airports. Before Tuesday, the group included representatives of all the key groups in the industry — including the airlines and major unions — as well as members of a group associated with the victims of the PanAm 103 bombing. The vast majority of the group's recommendations were adopted over the years.

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How does this help the US?
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Re: Elon Musk continued FATE 01/21/25 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
LOL, of course I have to own the Far Left Woke Greasy Spoon...

I get the part where ending the tax credit could come into play. Sadly, when I bought mine, the tax credit from the first go-around had expired and not come back with the new one...

What I was thinking of, more, was the 2030 target. So, by that logic, my FLWGS was originally incentivized to turn into a steakhouse by 2030, providing a more direct competition menu-wise.

Also, in a practical sense to expand our scenario, my restaurant has been open longer than yours and I have developed a much more efficient routine with my ingredient suppliers, and I have achieved better efficiency with my kitchen staff and wait staff. What's more is your steaks were all the rage at first, but you gave out your recipe for everyone to see. My restaurant, and a few others have taken it and added some newer elements to it, such that your customers are looking to try my place out more and more. Plus, I'm also more affordable.

I'm really going down a rabbit hole with this, but it seems Tesla just can't deliver on its self-drive promise, and they could be in real trouble. I know that I, for one, will not be purchasing a Tesla the next time around.

And, yeah, check out the tariffs thing. I think EV parts - or at least raw materials - were recently excluded from the planned tariffs.

Love it. rofl
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Re: Elon Musk continued FATE 01/21/25 11:26 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.

Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.

I didn't know that to be true. I'll have to go back and check, but I was just flipping around one day and built a Lyriq and a Model Y for S's and G's. I thought I remembered them being comparable with the quality tipping over to the Lyriq. I think an Equinox EV is supposed to start in the mid 30's, right? I should check this all out.

Oob, good points, that's why I don't think this is all that cut 'n dried.

Equinox EV starts at 33,600. Trying to talk my wife into one, she's not ready. I'm also looking at Teslas, or at least how the market changes and Wokesters like you turn theirs back in because they hate Musk (mostly kidding, but I think you said as much recently?). I lot of good back and forth on EVs here quelled some of my misgivings about battery life to the point that I would now buy a used Tesla.

BTW... my wife makes batteries now with the joint GM/LG Ultium Cells. Meeting last week says they may be laying off some workers. Two years ago they were opening 5 plants. One got scrapped quickly, another about a year ago and plant #3 is dragging it's tale to get open. We're plant #1 so her job is safe (GM transfers have way more seniority than previous workers) but the sales forecasts are getting worse.
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Re: Unconstitutional Don Swish 01/21/25 11:25 PM
this amendment has been a thing for a while now..like 1972 awhile. but certain states refuse to ratify it. i don't understand how thats similar to what Trump just did.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II dawglover05 01/21/25 11:24 PM
Stargate? Great, now Egyptian gods are going to wreak havoc on us...
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II Swish 01/21/25 11:14 PM
this one goes into a bit more detail:


Trump announces up to $500 billion in private sector AI infrastructure investment

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-announces-private-sector-ai-infrastructure-investment/

Which leads me to this comment bro: Remember Foxconn?


This all sounds good, but you gotta understand my hesitation since a ton of tech layoffs the last few years were due to the rise of AI. So it seems far fetched that investing into private companies that specialize in AI - the same companies that laid people off - are somehow gonna retain a permanent 100k jobs.
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Re: Elon Musk continued dawglover05 01/21/25 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.

Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.

I didn't know that to be true. I'll have to go back and check, but I was just flipping around one day and built a Lyriq and a Model Y for S's and G's. I thought I remembered them being comparable with the quality tipping over to the Lyriq. I think an Equinox EV is supposed to start in the mid 30's, right? I should check this all out.
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Re: Elon Musk continued dawglover05 01/21/25 11:09 PM
LOL, of course I have to own the Far Left Woke Greasy Spoon...

I get the part where ending the tax credit could come into play. Sadly, when I bought mine, the tax credit from the first go-around had expired and not come back with the new one...

What I was thinking of, more, was the 2030 target. So, by that logic, my FLWGS was originally incentivized to turn into a steakhouse by 2030, providing a more direct competition menu-wise.

Also, in a practical sense to expand our scenario, my restaurant has been open longer than yours and I have developed a much more efficient routine with my ingredient suppliers, and I have achieved better efficiency with my kitchen staff and wait staff. What's more is your steaks were all the rage at first, but you gave out your recipe for everyone to see. My restaurant, and a few others have taken it and added some newer elements to it, such that your customers are looking to try my place out more and more. Plus, I'm also more affordable.

I'm really going down a rabbit hole with this, but it seems Tesla just can't deliver on its self-drive promise, and they could be in real trouble. I know that I, for one, will not be purchasing a Tesla the next time around.

And, yeah, check out the tariffs thing. I think EV parts - or at least raw materials - were recently excluded from the planned tariffs.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II FATE 01/21/25 10:54 PM
j/c...


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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II FATE 01/21/25 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
I think folks who were charged with misdemeanors should be pardoned. Folks who walked thru an open door and walked thru the building , sometimes accompanied by capital police officers, should be pardoned. Anyone who vandalized property deserve more time, but only what anyone would typically get for vandalism. Then pardoned.

Now for those who engaged in violence against police officers , assaulted cops, deserve more , but again whatever is typically given to anyone who assaults a cop. In fact here is a guideline. Those convicted of assault of a policeman should receive the same sentence as the hundreds of people who assaulted cops in the summer of 2020. Comparable sentences. That’s fair.

I think the whole idiocy of “insurrection “ has gone to the same graveyard as “Russia, Russia Russia! And well deserved.

Thanks Keith. I respect your opinion.

Here's the difference, IMO. If you assault a cop, then yes, you deserve a long time. I think that should be the case no matter where it takes place. The difference here is that you have Assault a police officer + disrupt Congress' Constitutional function + endangerment of Congressional officials + trespass + destruction of property etc etc etc. And, to throw on that, you have people actively master-minding far more than that. I'm talking about Tarrio and Rhodes. That's a seditious conspiracy conviction (22 years) he received in a court of law, commuted.

I don't really care what a person identifies as politically. If you do ish like that, you gotta do the time.

I would ask, and be honest, if the shoe was on the other foot and this was Antifa who disrupted the vote count and Harris gave them and their leader - pardons and/or commutations, how would you feel?

Agree 100% Anyone that committed violent acts should do the time -- all of the time. Acts of vandalism, I'm more in line with what Keith described.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II FATE 01/21/25 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by oobernoober
I bet it will drive demand for Russian oil, though.

I think it might go the opposite direction. If we turn away from Venezuelan oil and use our own, that would increase their supply and drop pricing, opening the door for China to consume more and leverage that discount against Russia, who they are already squeezing in the market because Russia lost its European and US markets.

That's at least how I built it up in my head. Does that make sense?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially now that Trump can start fulfilling his promise to drill. We currently ban buying oil from Russia. I highly doubt Trump will stop buying from Venezuela so we can buy from Russia instead. I should have checked with OCD before posting this though, he's waaay smarter than all of us, maybe he has an explanation that doesn't involve my hair color?
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II dawglover05 01/21/25 10:26 PM
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
I think folks who were charged with misdemeanors should be pardoned. Folks who walked thru an open door and walked thru the building , sometimes accompanied by capital police officers, should be pardoned. Anyone who vandalized property deserve more time, but only what anyone would typically get for vandalism. Then pardoned.

Now for those who engaged in violence against police officers , assaulted cops, deserve more , but again whatever is typically given to anyone who assaults a cop. In fact here is a guideline. Those convicted of assault of a policeman should receive the same sentence as the hundreds of people who assaulted cops in the summer of 2020. Comparable sentences. That’s fair.

I think the whole idiocy of “insurrection “ has gone to the same graveyard as “Russia, Russia Russia! And well deserved.

Thanks Keith. I respect your opinion.

Here's the difference, IMO. If you assault a cop, then yes, you deserve a long time. I think that should be the case no matter where it takes place. The difference here is that you have Assault a police officer + disrupt Congress' Constitutional function + endangerment of Congressional officials + trespass + destruction of property etc etc etc. And, to throw on that, you have people actively master-minding far more than that. I'm talking about Tarrio and Rhodes. That's a seditious conspiracy conviction (22 years) he received in a court of law, commuted.

I don't really care what a person identifies as politically. If you do ish like that, you gotta do the time.

I would ask, and be honest, if the shoe was on the other foot and this was Antifa who disrupted the vote count and Harris gave them and their leader - pardons and/or commutations, how would you feel?
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II dawglover05 01/21/25 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
I bet it will drive demand for Russian oil, though.

I don't follow, how would this do anything but reduce demand for Russian oil?

Our demand for oil isn't going anywhere. If we're not going to buy from Venezuela, then we have to get that from someone else. Our imports from Venezuela jumped shortly after Russia's invasion, and I'm assuming that was due to us not buying as much from Russia (our consumption of Russian oil has gone down sharply in the same timeframe.

I should have read this before I posted the one above. I see what you are saying now. I think it depends on where we source the alternative oil from, whether that's internal or external.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II dawglover05 01/21/25 10:13 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
I bet it will drive demand for Russian oil, though.

I think it might go the opposite direction. If we turn away from Venezuelan oil and use our own, that would increase their supply and drop pricing, opening the door for China to consume more and leverage that discount against Russia, who they are already squeezing in the market because Russia lost its European and US markets.

That's at least how I built it up in my head. Does that make sense?
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II keithfromxenia 01/21/25 10:00 PM
I think folks who were charged with misdemeanors should be pardoned. Folks who walked thru an open door and walked thru the building , sometimes accompanied by capital police officers, should be pardoned. Anyone who vandalized property deserve more time, but only what anyone would typically get for vandalism. Then pardoned.

Now for those who engaged in violence against police officers , assaulted cops, deserve more , but again whatever is typically given to anyone who assaults a cop. In fact here is a guideline. Those convicted of assault of a policeman should receive the same sentence as the hundreds of people who assaulted cops in the summer of 2020. Comparable sentences. That’s fair.

I think the whole idiocy of “insurrection “ has gone to the same graveyard as “Russia, Russia Russia! And well deserved.
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Re: Elon Musk continued oobernoober 01/21/25 09:44 PM
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.

Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.
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Re: Trump’s Campaign Promises. The scoreboard II oobernoober 01/21/25 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
I bet it will drive demand for Russian oil, though.

I don't follow, how would this do anything but reduce demand for Russian oil?

Our demand for oil isn't going anywhere. If we're not going to buy from Venezuela, then we have to get that from someone else. Our imports from Venezuela jumped shortly after Russia's invasion, and I'm assuming that was due to us not buying as much from Russia (our consumption of Russian oil has gone down sharply in the same timeframe.
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Re: Unconstitutional Don keithfromxenia 01/21/25 09:25 PM
I believe the courts look at intent. That is what I hope it is judged on. You clearly don’t care about that. Hopefully it will get across ruling in the next 12 months.
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Re: Elon Musk continued FATE 01/21/25 09:20 PM
Far more financial gain than alienating half of the consumer base for a company that does close to 100B per year??

Doesn't seem like a very well calculated risk. Which leads me back to your open... Musk does not take calculated risks, he's probably the most erratic risk taker of our times. This is a dude that sold his stake in Paypal and put every penny into an electric car company and an upstart to fly spaceships to Mars. Twitter? Definitely not a "calculated risk".

Musk takes all or nothing risks. I'm not criticising your use of the term, on the surface it would definitely fit most people in a situation like this, I just don't think it fits Musk.

Personally, I think this whole "Musk is doing this to increase his wealth" narrative is false. I don't think he cares about money or wealth nearly as much as you think he does.
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Re: Dems archbolddawg 01/21/25 09:12 PM
Here's the deal, I'm not even a trumpian, nor am I a MAGa'r. I'm a level headed, thinking American. More than I can say for you.
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Re: Dems PitDAWG 01/21/25 09:00 PM
And of course you jump in line pretending like you're discussing what the discussion was about? But then that's what people like you and arch do. arch asked me to address his questions which I had already done by claiming I hadn't. Then both of you avoid the entire thing to rant about things that had nothing to do with it. But that's what happens when you can't put up a cognitive debate about something.

You could both do better if you would only try. At least I certainly hope so.
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