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Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will... pt 39 Clemdawg 12/22/24 03:42 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Could it have been done better? Absolutely.

But what you are advocating for is deporting a whole mess of people that are here legally so a town can return to steadily rotting away.

I guess I missed something.

I was not aware anyone was wanting to deport LEGAL immigrants - just the illegal ones.


For the longest time, I felt the same way... until I heard JD Vance, during the campaign.


Here's a link to a news article published on 9/18.
https://www.the-independent.com/new...nce-springfield-ohio-haiti-b2615294.html

Disclaimer: The Independent is a left-leaning publication. I don't subscribe to it, nor do I read it regularly. It was the first post that addressed my issue, without immediately mentioning 'family pets as food'... wink There are literally hundreds of other print-based news sources that reported the same details in similar articles- during the same news cycle.

For those Dawgs who choose to not follow the link, here's an (edited) excerpt that backs my point-of-view:

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During a campaign event in Raleigh, North Carolina on Wednesday, Vance was asked by Politico what would happen to migrants in the country under the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program, such as many of those in Springfield, during a possible second Trump administration. The Republican vice presidential nominee was also asked how the administration would go about deporting migrants in the country legally.

“The media loves to say that the Haitian migrants hundreds of thousands of them, by the way, 20,000 in Springfield, but hundreds of thousands of them all across the country, they are here legally,” Vance said. “And what they mean is that Kamala Harris used two separate programs, mass parole and temporary protective status ... to wave a wand and to say, ‘We're not going to deport those people here.’”

He added: “Well, if Kamala Harris waves the wand illegally and says these people are now here legally, I'm still going to call them an illegal alien. And illegal action from Kamala Harris does not make an alien legal. That is not how this works.”

If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast,” he said.


I was plugged-into everything in September.
I didn't miss this.

It was all over the newswires. For at least 1-2 weeks.
Folks had flaming hair over this.

Vance actually said it.
47-elect actually repeated it- on tape, and on the internet.
America believed it.
...and voted for it.

A sizeable percentage of America didn't miss this one at all.



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Re: Ukraine OCD 12/22/24 02:31 AM
America would, MAGA wouldn’t. MAGA is not American, it’s BS, almost 100% based on lies.
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Re: Buckeyes vs Tennessee Squires 12/22/24 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by jfanent
I hope the other playoff games are better than this Indiana/ND snoozefest.


Based on what we've seen so far, I think the playoff should cap at top 8.
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Re: Cleveland Guardians Jester 12/22/24 01:17 AM
I don't know much about Cecconi

I have been long hoping for a trade with the Mariners and have been getting excited with those trade rumors having started
I wanted to see Naylor, Gattis, Freeman go to Seattle in exchange for one of hteir starting pitcher
Mix in some low minor leaguers to balance it out.

This gets us a high quality starter while filling 3 major holes for the mariners
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Re: Cleveland Guardians Jester 12/22/24 01:14 AM
Diamondbacks Acquire Josh Naylor
By Nick Deeds | December 21, 2024 at 5:08pm CDT

The Diamondbacks are acquiring first baseman Josh Naylor from the Guardians for right-hander Slade Cecconi and a Competitive Balance Round B draft pick, according to a report from ESPN’s Jeff Passan. Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported that a deal between the sides involving Naylor was close. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported the draft pick’s inclusion in the deal. The teams have since announced the trade.

An All-Star for the first time in 2024, Naylor hit a solid .243/.320/.456 (118 wRC+) with a career-high 31 homers in 152 games for the Guardians this past year. That continues a three-year run of solid production from Naylor in Cleveland, as he’s posted an even better .267/.330/.465 (121 wRC+) slash line since becoming a regular fixture of the Guardians’ lineup in 2022. In addition to that solid 20-to-30 homer power Naylor has displayed, he’s posted impressive contact numbers with a strikeout rate of just 15.6% across the past three seasons. He’s paired that low strikeout rate with an improving walk rate that reached 9.2% in 2024. In Arizona, the 27-year-old Naylor joins an offense that not only lost Christian Walker at first base when he landed in Houston on a three-year deal earlier this week but also figures to provide the left-handed pop the club lost when DH Joc Pederson elected free agency last month.

He’s a solid fit for that role, though with free agency just one season a way at an arbitration salary that MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects to land at $12MM he lacks the surplus value more attractive trade targets typically offer. That increasing price tag in arbitration combined with the presence of youngster Kyle Manzardo as an obvious successor at first made Naylor somewhat expendable for the Guardians, however, and this evening’s addition of veteran first baseman Carlos Santana to the Cleveland lineup on a one-year deal suggests that the Guardians may have preferred to reallocate Naylor’s projected salary and playing time to the 15-year MLB veteran.

In exchange for parting ways with the slugger they’ve added some draft capital and an intriguing young arm in Cecconi. Competitive Balance Round B encompassed the 66th through 73rd picks in the 2024 draft. As noted by MLB.com’s Joe Trezza, the Guardians already had the first pick of Competitive Balance Round B in 2025. Now, the club will get a second pick in that same round as the Diamondbacks were slated to pick third behind Cleveland and Baltimore.

Meanwhile, Cecconi is a former first-round selection by the Diamondbacks who has pitched in parts of the last two seasons for the club but has yet to establish himself in the majors. He flashed league average numbers in an up-and-down role with Arizona in 2023, pitching to a 4.33 ERA (102 ERA+) with a 4.37 FIP in 27 innings spread between four starts and three relief appearances. Those numbers took a tumble in a longer stint with the big league club this year, however. Cecconi struggled to a 6.66 ERA (63 ERA+) in 77 innings of work. While his 5.02 FIP was substantially better, that figure was still well below league average. Cecconi enjoyed an excellent 5% walk rate in the majors last year, but his 18.9% strikeout rate was lackluster and he allowed an eye-popping 16 homers in just 20 games.

Disastrous as his 2024 season was, however, Cecconi will now get an opportunity to move to a club well-regarded for its ability to develop young pitchers. Still just 25, the right-hander’s 3.04 ERA and 29.5% strikeout rate in 47 innings at the Triple-A level this year offer some reason for optimism regarding his future in the big leagues, whether that winds up being out of the rotation or the bullpen. After losing Matthew Boyd and Alex Cobb in free agency and with Shane Bieber expected not to pitch until midway through the 2025 season, Cleveland already added Luis Ortiz to their rotation earlier this winter. Cecconi may not be able to break a rotation that now projects to include Ortiz alongside Tanner Bibee, Ben Lively, Gavin Williams, and Triston McKenzie on Opening Day, but he’ll provide value depth for the club nonetheless.

Turning back to Arizona, the acquisition of Naylor brings the club’s estimated payroll to $160MM according to RosterResource. That leaves the club with some additional flexibility before they reach their 2024 figure of $173MM, which Diamondbacks brass has previously indicated the 2025 payroll will likely end up in the vicinity of. The club is known to be in the market for relief pitching and has previously expressed interest in a reunion with Pederson, though it’s possible they believe the addition of Naylor fills the void created by Pederson’s departure.

With Naylor now set to join Eugenio Suarez, Zac Gallen, and Merrill Kelly as key Dbacks contributors slated for free agency next winter, it’s possible the club could also benefit from being in longer-term help for its lineup or rotation that can help preserve continuity alongside core pieces like Ketel Marte, Corbin Carroll, and Gabriel Moreno. Jordan Montgomery is also slated to reach free agency next winter, but the Diamondbacks haven’t been shy about looking to move him this winter and could free up additional payroll space by doing so.


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com
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Re: Buckeyes vs Tennessee Pdawg 12/22/24 01:13 AM


My son’s seats. Lots of Tennessee fans near him
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Re: RIP Legend ~ Ricky Henderson gone at age 65 YTownBrownsFan 12/22/24 01:05 AM
He was absolutely amazing; the very definition of a legend.

RIP Ricky.
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Re: Cleveland Guardians YTownBrownsFan 12/22/24 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by ~Con~Artist~
How odd, traded Naylor for a pitcher who has struggled. Carlos Santana is back again.


They also got Arizona's "competitive balance" pick, do they will have that plus their own in the coming draft. I think their ability to add Santana made the deal possible.


Slade Cecconi is the kind of pitcher Cleveland likes to work with. He is a tall pitcher with a plus fastball, who is in need of development. I think he'll be middle of the rotation this year.
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Re: Cleveland Guardians ~Con~Artist~ 12/22/24 12:47 AM
How odd, traded Naylor for a pitcher who has struggled. Carlos Santana is back again.
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Re: More Browns News bonefish 12/22/24 12:18 AM
Because Myles is making his case public it may not sit well with Haslam.

I am not going to say this will happen but it would not surprise me.

Haslam may order Berry to trade Myles for future number ones. The Haslam plan may be to position the Browns to have the ammo to make a serious run at Archie Manning in 2026. You don't tell coaches to suck or try and lose.

You get enough picks to move into a position to draft Manning. That means vets like Bitonio, Conklin, Teller and others are moved. If your 2025 season is bad so what.

Haslam is attached to the Manning family. He may do everything possible to get Manning to play in his new dome.

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Re: More Browns News FATE 12/21/24 11:50 PM
Good answer! Pretty much the same one as the last 50 times the obvious has been stated. Add a little wiseguy rhetoric and jump to ridiculous conclusions that were never stated or even hinted at.
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Re: RIP Legend ~ Ricky Henderson gone at age 65 bonefish 12/21/24 11:49 PM
Geeze I just saw that.

Damn what a ball player Rickey was. Exciting to the max.

Nobody will match him as a leadoff hitter. That will never happen. He was one of a kind a true unicorn.

I loved watching him play.

I get nostalgic about baseball. The game has always been special to me.

And Rickey was one of the best to ever lace up cleats.

RIP Rickey steal heaven and keep going.
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Re: More Browns News Floquinho 12/21/24 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by bonefish
Let us understand the obvious.

Haslam made the DW trade. All else about how it went down is speculation.

Berry does not have the authority to sign a $230 million dollar check.

This 100 million times. I said it till I was blue in the face and then pretty much gave up... as the arguments continued... much like the one you just got from Flo.

To me, anyone that doesn't understand this is almost purposely trying not to. Understanding this also leads one to understand that because of this, Berry is basically insulated from the results of it. He's not going anywhere until it's of his own failures, and he hasn't failed yet. He hasn't failed a draft, he hasn't failed a free agency, and he certainly hasn't failed managing the salary cap.

Seems like we’re paying someone….. but that person is according to well known insiders insulated from the results… and not only that…. he’s also unaware of what’s going on inside the organization.

According to unverified reports he’s apparently the smartest guy in the room and rumors says he like to be called the General Manager.
But take it with a pinch of salt because as you know rumors and results most often lies …
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Re: More Browns News bonefish 12/21/24 11:40 PM
Cousins, Jacoby, Wentz, Darnold who is the best option?

First you start with the offense. Any of them can play in the KS play action, zone blocking, double TE offense.

Because it is a run first offense. If you have a Nick and Jeanty and you go back to the KS offense. We can win with guys like Cousins.

Berry knows how to handle cap. Trading for Cooper and Jeudy were good trades. Trading for Cooper and trading Cooper for a third were damn good moves. Others like Devin Bush have played well. He was a cheap sign. Tillman may turn into a really good receiver.

Berry is not as bad as others make him out to be. I am not saying he has not made mistakes. Wills was a mistake. But he is not the villain in all this.

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RIP Legend ~ Rickey Henderson gone at age 65 FATE 12/21/24 11:40 PM
I saw "RIP Legend" trending on X. That truly says it all.

Every time you watched the A's you could expect something amazing from Rickey, and were usually obliged.

I'll let X do the talking...












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Re: More Browns News FrankZ 12/21/24 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by Bard Dawg
Do you think Cousins is weakest choice in the group? Any feel for ranking them? Not sure Fields would fit well here, but should throw fewer picks. Is there life after DW? I do not feel a heartbeat with him. Turn this corner.

Not at all. I understood that if Cousins is cut a team can sign him at minimum and he still gets paid by Atlanta. We aren't going to out pay what he is due to make next year with the tightness in cap space, but for a veteran minimum and let Atlanta pay him I am good.

I think Darnold and Fields might end up being too pricey.
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Re: More Browns News Bard Dawg 12/21/24 11:11 PM
Do you think Cousins is weakest choice in the group? Any feel for ranking them? Not sure Fields would fit well here, but should throw fewer picks. Is there life after DW? I do not feel a heartbeat with him. Turn this corner.
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Re: More Browns News bonefish 12/21/24 10:34 PM
Myles has made it clear.

Money does not buy victory. Haslam has spent the money and DW's money means nothing.

"Have a plan. I am not going through another rebuild. Everybody has to be on the same page."

There is no hidden meaning. Haslam forced the Browns to continue to start DW when he was horrible. There were reports from Zac Jackson that DW was terrible in camp.

Myles and the others have eyes. They know what went down. DW was going to play no matter what.

Now Myles is going to apply pressure. Show me your quarterback plan. Show me how you plan to win now.

It would not surprise me if Myles is traded.

The one factor that may be in play is the dome. They want to sell the luxury boxes and licenses. That may halt rebuild plans and tank for Manning plans.

Players come and go. Head coaches and GM's as well. Ownership remains until they wish otherwise. And there is not a damn thing that fans can do about that.
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Re: More Browns News FATE 12/21/24 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
Let us understand the obvious.

Haslam made the DW trade. All else about how it went down is speculation.

Berry does not have the authority to sign a $230 million dollar check.

This 100 million times. I said it till I was blue in the face and then pretty much gave up... as the arguments continued... much like the one you just got from Flo.

To me, anyone that doesn't understand this is almost purposely trying not to. Understanding this also leads one to understand that because of this, Berry is basically insulated from the results of it. He's not going anywhere until it's of his own failures, and he hasn't failed yet. He hasn't failed a draft, he hasn't failed a free agency, and he certainly hasn't failed managing the salary cap.
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Re: More Browns News FrankZ 12/21/24 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
He could be on the roster and deactivated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/falcons-wi...e-10m-roster-bonus-is-due-141157769.html

Cousins is expected to be cut.

Darnold should be available. Fields will be available. Wentz will be available.

There are options even though they are not ideal. DTR will get a chance.

Decisions, decisions.

My guess is Cousins might be the cheapest option on the list for us.
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Re: More Browns News bonefish 12/21/24 09:48 PM
He could be on the roster and deactivated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/falcons-wi...e-10m-roster-bonus-is-due-141157769.html

Cousins is expected to be cut.

Darnold should be available. Fields will be available. Wentz will be available.

There are options even though they are not ideal. DTR will get a chance.

Decisions, decisions.
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Re: More Browns News FrankZ 12/21/24 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
jc


based on the cap, the QB's in the draft, and other factors, do y'all think we're stuck starting Watson next season as the best worst case scenario?

Watson is on the roster next year unless he decides to void his contract and leave. That said I can't imagine him starting.

We cannot cut him. frown
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Re: More Browns News Swish 12/21/24 09:32 PM
jc


based on the cap, the QB's in the draft, and other factors, do y'all think we're stuck starting Watson next season as the best worst case scenario?
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Re: More Browns News bonefish 12/21/24 09:21 PM
"ultimate legal responsibility"

Ugh. No. He has no legal authority at all.

"The only decision the board/owner can do inside the organization is to hire or fire their GM."

That is not accurate. If Haslam wanted to do anything regarding how the Browns operate there is nobody in the organization who could tell him no.

There is no vote other than his.

GMs don't resign unless it is for health reasons. They don't walk away from contracts and money either.
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Re: Music Thread #.... Oh hell, Iost count. bonefish 12/21/24 09:05 PM
Play the blues.

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