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I understand. trump tells a blatant lie about the results or causes for this war, take your pick, and you ignore it like the plague. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who gets what's going on here. I'm just curious, which story did trump tell you that made you convinced Iran was on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon? The first one or the second one?

I'm not your puppet, dude. I know you think I am, I'm not. I'll address what ever I want and ignore whatever I want... from now till Armageddon. Write it down somewhere and have your wife start feeding it to you for breakfast.

Iran war live updates: Iran rejects second round of talks with US

24 minutes ago

Iran has rejected a second round of talks with the United States in Pakistan, state media is reporting.

That comes after US President Donald Trump earlier announced he was sending a delegation to Pakistan for renewed negotiations with Tehran.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04...lockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

Trump; "They're begging for a deal."

All while refusing to address this..............

Initial strikes on Iran's nuclear capabilities was launched in June of 2025. Here s what trump said about the effectiveness of those strikes.....

During a NATO summit in June 2025, Trump stated that strikes on Iranian nuclear sites (such as Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan) were a "total obliteration," setting the program back "decades" and making it very difficult for Iran to rebuild.......................

In March of 2026, President Donald Trump stated that Iran was "two weeks away" from possessing a nuclear weapon, which he cited as the justification for U.S. military action against the country.

Now one of those things has to be a lie. Both of those statements can't possibly be true. So he was either lying back in June of 2025 or he was lying as his reasoning for starting this war.

The inability to trust anything that comes out of his mouth both by the American people, at least by those willing to pay attention, as well as the rest of the globe places everything about this war in question.

And let me remind you that Benjamin Netanyahu has a well-documented history of warning that Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon, with predictions of an "imminent" threat often cited as months away dating back to the early 1990s.

C'mon bro. Someone trying to nuke someone, especially in the Middle East, falls on your list of "no biggie, nothing to see here"?

Bar far the biggest strategic mistake.

Good post, Oober. I agree with a lot of what you posted. I think some of it is a little overboard, I mean, I'm not sure we could target a mosquito in the region without it affecting the world oil market so it's silly to think we didn't see that coming.

I was speaking specifically to his statement "That whole thing in Iran has been bungled from the start." Meaning, mission has started, for whatever reason you have decided, everything from that point forward. I was hoping he would respond but knew that probably wouldn't happen before everyone else did. I don't not agree with Daman, but I'm not sure I ever have. If he saw a headline that says Trump eats babies, he would 100% believe that and repeat it without reading another word.

I just think, whether war or football, it's always easy to armchair it after the fact. I see the necessity of dealing with this bully a lot differently than most here, I'm basically sitting shotgun with 'Peen in that respect.

I won't bother arguing about it though. It's mostly futile. It baffles me that we can talk about the possibility of Iran having a nuke and many people think (me included) that would be the direst situation, read: threat to humanity by humans, that this planet has ever faced... others think it's a nothingburger. There's not really much reason for those people to try to talk it out.

trump said " Iran can’t blackmail us." by blocking the Strait of Hormuz.

Meanwhile trump blocks all of their ports and threatens to destroy all of their infrastructure if Iran doesn't accept the terms of the deal being offered by the US.

It appears that in trumplandia blackmail is a one way street all flowing in trump's direction.

#draftgurus

Looks like those grades prove the media pundits are right on it.

If Iran makes a nuclear weapon what would they do with it?

Try to use against Israel? Really? Then what?

If Iran tried or even succeeded their country would be completely destroyed.

WMD's lead to self mass destruction.

Iran cannot do a damn thing and we went into this because Netanyahu conned trump.

I guess we should take over Venezuela, Greenland, and Cuba just for something to do.

Lets name the Atlantic and Pacific ocean "trump's grand ocean." We can then take the South off South America and just call it

North America South. Sounds catchy.

It's getting to the point that some MAGA's don't even trust what trump tells them, or refuses to tell them as the case may be......

Marjorie Taylor Greene Joins List Of People Questioning The Assassination Attempt On Trump

Several MAGA supporters are starting to promote conspiracy theories about the July 2024 assassination attempt.

Marjorie Taylor Greene is questioning the details of the assassination attempt against President Donald Trump, saying he, “of all people,” should be “leading the charge” to find out “the truth” about the shooting.

The former congresswoman reposted a social media post on Saturday from Trisha Hope, a self-described “J6 activist,” who wrote that the details surrounding the July 2024 assassination attempt at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, including the perfectly-timed photo of Trump and Trump’s refusal to talk at length about it, are weird.

Hope added that Corey Comperatore, who was the only person killed during the assassination attempt when he was shielding his wife and daughter, was killed to be “used in the plot,” otherwise people would think the shooting was a hoax.

“Extremely important post worth the read and consideration,” Green wrote Saturday on X. “Corey Comperatore’s family deserves to know the truth about Matthew Crooks and what happened in Butler on July 13, 2024. President Trump, of all people, should be leading the charge. Why isn’t he? That’s the question.”

In a follow-up post, Green clarified she doesn’t believe the assassination attempt was a hoax, but she is wondering why Trump won’t release information about the shooter.

Green’s posts come after Wired published an article laying out how many Trump supporters are now convinced the assassination attempt was a hoax. Comedian Tom Dillon and right-wing pundits Tucker Carlson, Emerald Robinson and Candace Owens are just some of the MAGA people who have promoted conspiracy theories that the shooting isn’t what it seems.

Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) and Rep. Pat Fallon (R-Texas) claimed late last year that the FBI “stonewalled” the House investigation into the shooting. The final FBI report on the shooting found that the shooter acted alone.

Trump has been relatively tight-lipped about that day, telling BBC in 2025 that he doesn’t like “dwelling” on it. At the 2024 Republican National Convention, Trump wore a bandage on his ear that was grazed by the bullet, and shortly after he was elected for his second term, the White House replaced a portrait of Barack Obama with a painting of the famous photograph taken moments after the shooting of Trump’s raised fist.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marj...NLS74L793bZ1Z_aem_YBQPcxAHBGyCmht7tX7lvA

Maybe the republicans did really trade Greene for Fetterman?

That also puts another potential trade partner for Cleveland in need of a WR

They did but trump ignored it. It even came from the man trump refers as "Raizin Caine"..........

Top US general warned Trump before war that Iran could close Strait of Hormuz — report

US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Dan Caine warned President Donald Trump before the United States entered the war with Iran that Tehran could try to close the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation, The Wall Street Journal reports, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Caine told the president in several briefings that US officials had long believed Iran might attempt to block the critical shipping lane using naval mines, drones and missiles if conflict erupted, according to the report.

Trump reportedly acknowledged the risk but decided to move forward with the military campaign, telling advisers he believed Tehran would likely capitulate before taking such a step, and that the US military would be capable of reopening the waterway if necessary.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...ran-could-close-strait-of-hormuz-report/

There is more to the article at the link but this was the pertinent part of it that is related to the discussion.

But then we should all remember that this is the same guy who claimed he knows more than the generals in the past.............

ISIS Strategy (2015-2016): During his 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump stated, "I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me".

to have a clue going into this that the leverage the Iranians were going to pull closing the Strait. I can not for a second believe that our military planners didn't tell them that they would pull this card.

As a Bengals fan how do you like the trade? Seems you are in favour ?

Strait of Hormuz is being renamed Schrödinger's Strait.

Not being swayed and led by the nose by Netanyahu.

Not alienating and insulting allies.

Not declaring victory when there was no victory.

Not threatening genocide.

Not talking out of your azz constantly.

There's lots of things to have done differently. But at the end of the day even if none of us has a better idea of what to have done it doesn't deflect from the abject incompetence that we've witnessed.

It however was only a one year extension.

The Browns had enough interest in Lawrence to at least offer a 2nd RD pick .
He just signed a extension with the Bengals so , so much for being a distraction
The Bengals also signed Johnathan Allen so its apparent they were Serious
About upgrading the defense .

Is it any more far fetched than your made up scenario? I didn't think so.

And BTW- Does the term "spitballing" have a different definition when you say it than when I say it?

In the spirit of trying to help you out here..............

Spitballing is the informal process of suggesting raw, unrefined ideas or hypothetical situations, often in a group setting, to see which ones "stick". It is a form of casual brainstorming focused on creativity rather than judgment.

You're welcome.

I think the very first thing that should have been done differently is not to lie to the American people. Allow me to frame that in the most basic of terms.

Initial strikes on Iran's nuclear capabilities was launched in June of 2025. Here s what trump said about the effectiveness of those strikes.....

During a NATO summit in June 2025, Trump stated that strikes on Iranian nuclear sites (such as Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan) were a "total obliteration," setting the program back "decades" and making it very difficult for Iran to rebuild.......................

In March of 2026, President Donald Trump stated that Iran was "two weeks away" from possessing a nuclear weapon, which he cited as the justification for U.S. military action against the country.

Now one of those things has to be a lie. Both of those statements can't possibly be true. So he was either lying back in June of 2025 or he was lying as his reasoning for starting this war.

The inability to trust anything that comes out of his mouth both by the American people, at least by those willing to pay attention, as well as the rest of the globe places everything about this war in question.

And let me remind you that Benjamin Netanyahu has a well-documented history of warning that Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon, with predictions of an "imminent" threat often cited as months away dating back to the early 1990s.

"You never know what to believe."

I get it. English is hard....

The short answer is "not done it at all"... and by 'it', I'm talking about the decision to strike (because that was the framework of Daman's statement, as I understood it).

I'm going to assume that you meant "how would you have dealt with Iran?", because the truth is that Iran is a problem that needs to be dealt with someway, somehow. I think any military action should've been strictly scoped to nuclear development sites. That is the only remotely consistent and coherent reasoning behind what we're doing. The world wasn't completely upended when we struck their main site a couple months ago. And while their capability wasn't "completely obliterated" (or maybe it was, that assessment has varied wildly) it was affected and bought us and our dwindling collection of allies some time to lay down a better long-term plan.

... which is clearly what we need given the results so far. After having conducted a fairly comprehensive air campaign that includes degrading their air defenses, killing their leader, and striking their oil infrastructure, what have we achieved?

-realizing their military is going to be a tougher nut to crack than we hoped... especially if we decide to continue what we're doing and/or escalate
-realizing their missile capability/range is significantly better than we thought
-installing an even more hardline leader that picked up right where his predecessor left off
-hurting the global oil market, which helps the very countries we are trying to inhibit (Iran, Russia)


Don't even get me started on what we've spent to achieve these less-than-impressive results (lives/ammo/equipment lost/spent/destroyed, alliances stressed/weakened, diminished reputation standing amongst the world).