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This sack run this year is crazy to me, because our opponents are not playing from behind, they do not need to drop back and go downfield.

I hope all you turkeys had a Great Thanksgiving.

Not for a 30-year-old defensive player

No team would trade three first rounders and those seconds for one player…. Oh? We did that?

Until a trade is made. I don't pay much attention.

I don't think the Browns are trading Myles.

I also don't think a team would offer 3 firsts and 2 seconds.

With where we are in a rebuilding phase... I would take that trade as well. Obviously I don't know what the impact on the salary cap would be, but three firsts and a second. Maybe swap a sixth for a fifth... Yes, all day

Your thoughts?

A friend of mine thinks Berry won't get this offense competitive enough before Garrett's skills diminish. Garrett turns 30 at the end of December.

He read that Chicago is willing to trade 3 first-round and 2 second-round picks for Garrett.

He would make this trade in a heartbeat.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

I would say Sanders would get a solid B for his performance this past Sunday. For a player in his first start in the NFL he showed he could execute a game plan. He also sparked the team. That early long ball to Bond sparked the team. That was a play that has not happened in the first 10 games. I watched Myles Garrett miked up during the game on youtube and saw the reaction of the team on the sideline. Now can he continue to show improvement and keep the team sparked by his play? Young QBs have peaks and valleys. I will be curious to see how he reacts when valleys happen. He overcame the Interception vs the Raiders. Can he do the same and stay disciplined when trailing in a game? How does he react when things are tough and not going well. That is where franchise QB's show what they are made of. It will happen maybe as early as Sunday. That's what I am looking to see.

I watched the game.

I am not going to place much on one game. He showed improvement. That is what you look for from a rookie.

Will he develop? His drawbacks have been exposed or he would have been drafted earlier.

Going forward it is all about his development as a quarterback. Quarterbacks develop or not in different time frames. Baker and Darnold took time.

Some guys need less time. Josh Allen did not look like the guy we see today when he first started.

I will be patient. I expect him to throw into coverage and get picked. It happens.

I want to see him improve with each experience and not repeat mistakes.

What becomes obvious is that teams game plan for Myles on every play.

He is double teamed or tripled. Plays are run on the side he is not on. Pass play designs are based upon 3 step drop with ball out quick or an immediate flare to the opposite side.

Holding is so common that it is a given.

You cannot directly impact every play. But he indirectly impacts every play.

We expect a lot from Myles.

I am glad he is still a Brown and I enjoy watching someone that can play as well as he does.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

The truth escapes you.

I'm going to start this thread by stating that I agree with most-everything said in this Myles lovefest thread...he is a unicorn. Here is what is missing tho...

It is ridiculous the number of holding non-calls against him by the offense...I know...I know...you could call holding on almost every play...I get that...but too many times there is such an egregious hold against him that it is infuriating...I'm not even talking about grabbing of the jersey...I'm talking about an arm under his neck and the OL riding him away from the QB...most times right in front of a ref...even the announcers ignore it somehow.

I cannot fathom the number of times Myles jumps offside...particularly on 3rd and 5 or less. It's more frustrating than the non-holding calls...it literally keeps the O on the field without them even running a play...and it happens A LOT.

I enjoy seeing sacks...more so multiple sacks per game...but I want more from him than (3) sacks when we are stomping the Raiders or (5) sacks when we are helpless against the Pats. I want a stop when the Vikings sauntered down the field for the game-winning-late-game score. That's what I remember from guys like L.T. and Reggie White...acknowledging that history has a way of erasing the blemishes.

I don't think Myles takes plays off...the effort is there every play...but there are big games where he isn't very effective...(0) sacks in three straight games (losses) against PIT, DET, MIN and (1) Jet sack coming off a bye week.

He's a great player...a one of a kind...I've never seen a football player with that combo of size/speed/power/dominance/effectiveness...it's almost unfair.

Abraham Lincoln's Proclamation of Thanksgiving | American Battlefield Trust
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/...ILTvOyessNdomTH6blOaSXloB6EaAm2eEALw_wcB

On October 3, 1863, President Lincoln issued a proclamation designating “the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving.” Lincoln’s announcement marked the culmination of a multi-decade campaign by Sarah Josepha Hale to make Thanksgiving into a national holiday. Although Lincoln wrote the vast majority of his state papers, the Thanksgiving Proclamation was in fact drafted by Seward.

Washington DC, October 3, 1863

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God.

In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union.

Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward, Secretary of State

There have been Myles workouts posted and gone viral.

He measures 6'4" 275 lbs.

If you had the ability to build a Frankenstein football player. He would be the blueprint.

Not many people on this earth that come built like him. Then add his athleticism and drive.

I think of Ohtani in baseball and LeBron.

Myles is that.

He is not a quarterback and doesn't play on offense. So he can only be looked at as a defensive player.

He is now being looked at for what he is. The best defensive player in football.

More pressure from the interior of the DL and we've also added some blitzers - Delphit and Schesinger have been sent on occaision. Not overly so - but enough to add another factor into the mix for the OL blocking schemes to think about.

No-one else in the game today can do everything that Myles does - and it's good to see him reach his ceiling with the extra help on D. When he was literally the only real threat - it made it hard to see him double teamed and held so often, leading to some suggesting he wasn't that good or lacked effort. He's a generational talent and between him, Delphit, Ward and Schwesinger it's a pleasure to watch the D even as bad as this team has been on offense. Tyson Campbell has also out played Newsome - another nice thing to see and witness.

He's been fun to watch this year. He's at his peak right now IMO. Dominant force

thanks guys - almost forgot my picks for the week. happy thanksgiving

Delusional!!!

I agree with your post Scott. We have some good young players on O. Our WR group can use a top end player and another solid guy. We obviously need much better QB play. Whether SS is the answer or not remains to be seen. If we had a top 5 O-Line, our QB play and our O output would be better even with the guys we have. We really need upgrades there especially the OT positions. If we keep Pocic and Teller and draft some good tackles I think we'll be okay heading into next season. Wypler and Zinter may be good enough and Jones if healthy isn't bad. If we had 2 really good OT's this year, we'd be much better. I don't think we're that far off if we can have another draft and FA signings like this past year. AB has made some good picks and signings. He needs to do it again. In addition, I think keeping Pocic and Teller around would help new and young starters on the O-line. Vet experience.

Home, adding to your comment about another good draft/FA.

And our young players hopefully improving too.

As for the offense, the rookies have done some good to great things. However, with inexperience there are growing pains and learning on the job. Here are some things I've seen from our rookies (from watching video) that has added to issues to the offense stalling at time.

We have seen the good stuff, just adding to areas where their improvement will help in the future.

Gabriel/Sanders - No reason to speak on them, they've been spoken enough on here about their positives/negatives.

Quinshon - I haven't seen many major holes, just needs to clean up his pass blocking.

Dylan Sampson - Pass blocking, it's usually pretty normal for a RB to have a rough time their first year in pass blocking. Usually the main reason, they don't get a lot of snaps unless they are the #1 back. Pass blocking is one of the reasons we saw Ford more at the beginning of the year and now you are seeing less and less of him.

Harold Fannin - Dude has been pretty great in pass catching and his ability to get those extra yards. He's had a few solid blocks. However, there have been plenty of plays where he has been lost in lining up and being directed where to position, he's had a few plays every game where he seems to not know his assignment in blocking, and overall unconfident in blocking. What I mean is instead of going full speed into his blocking, he is very hesitant in engaging and the defender controls the engagement instead of Fannin directing him in his block. It's been rough watching him in blocking, however I understand patience. It took Njoku a couple years to become a solid blocker.

Isaiah Bond - route running and understanding the nuance of the position. Dude has been open quite a few times for some big plays with the QB missing it. However, timing, spacing, and I think running the wrong route(s) was rough through the games he's played. Just another thing that should improve with more games and experience.

Overall, I really love seeing the talent (the positional player) showing at times with each of these players. I am looking forward to seeing them grow and improve in their techniques required from their positions.

I was able to watch L T and the Minister of Defense!

L T played as a linebacker. He had so much speed. He played off the line. He had so much momentum that the tackle or guard could not move fast enough to counter.

Reggie White had so much power that he just ran over people.

Bruce Smith was super quick off the snap. He was in the backfield at the blink of an eye.

Miles has all of these traits. It is truly unbelievable what this guy can do. Many talk about his bend. I don't know of any pass rusher with that capability.