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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward mgh888 07/15/26 07:11 AM
Trump threatens to bomb bridges and power plants unless Iran resumes talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0608wy8pro

Thank goodness we've been instructed to ignore what he says by the MAGA faithful. It's not like he ever follows thru with his crazy talk ... oh hang on that was only in the first term.

Snippet from the article.

-- UN human rights chief Volker Türk responded at the time by saying: "Under international law, deliberately attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime."

The 1949 Geneva Conventions on humanitarian conduct in war prohibit attacks on sites considered essential for civilians.

"I'll save the energy targets for last, but ultimately we'll hit energy targets," Trump said in an interview on Special Report with Bret Baier that aired on Tuesday night.

He said US negotiators had conveyed to their Iranian counterparts on Tuesday evening that they "'better make a deal, or you're not going to have anything left'". --
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Re: Mitch McConnell mgh888 07/15/26 07:07 AM
I didn't remember this story. Below is a summary from the web. Truly mind boggling:

In December 2023, Austin was diagnosed with prostate cancer and underwent a minimally invasive surgery. He was readmitted to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on January 1, 2024, and placed in the ICU due to severe complications.

Key Details of the Fallout:

The Secrecy: The Pentagon did not notify the White House, Congress, or even Austin's own deputy about his hospitalization or cancer diagnosis for several days. President Joe Biden was kept in the dark for over a week.

Investigations: The massive lapse in the military chain of command prompted multiple internal and independent probes, including an investigation by the Pentagon's Inspector General.

Austin's Response: Austin issued a formal apology, took full responsibility, and testified before Congress. He noted he was seeking privacy but admitted he should have promptly informed the President.

Policy Changes: The Biden administration subsequently issued new strict protocols requiring Cabinet members to formally notify the White House if they are incapacitated or temporarily transferring their authorities.
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Re: Mitch McConnell FATE 07/14/26 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, three times longer makes no difference in trumplandia. Which doesn't make either one of those right.

And remind me again who elected the secretary of defense? Oh that's right, he was appointed and works for the president. Members of the house and senate were elected by the people and work for them, supposedly.

It seems as though you missed a very important part of the premise.

It seems as though you're brain-dead if you want to compare McConnell's absence to the Secretary of Defense. But that's okay, hide behind "one of dem was elected" as if that somehow masks your utter hypocrisy.

"Oh, but, but... one was gone for longer" 🤣
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Re: Mitch McConnell FATE 07/14/26 08:21 PM
And that's the bottom line. There is no accountability.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? bonefish 07/14/26 06:23 PM
The Baker draft I studied for months.

I watched more tape than I ever have. I remember writing a long breakdown of each guy Darnold, Baker, Allen, Rosen, and Lamar.

I liked the first three. I did not like Rosen or Lamar. Lamar jumped off the tape as an escape artist but I felt he had a long way to go to be a passer in the NFL. Rosen had great throwing mechanics but I felt something was missing with him. I didn't detect a leader.

I remember thinking Allen was a monster who had the best upside. However, I had concerns with him playing hero ball and decision making.

Baker, I liked him. I could see he could spin it and he had pure leadership. His teammates loved him. My concern was his lack of mobility.

Darnold was the guy I wanted to draft. He was excellent throwing on the move. He had a good arm. He was raw and I felt he would need time.

Looking back I wonder where we would be now if we had drafted Allen.

The 27 draft has a bunch of guys. Right now I am going to let the season play out. See who sticks out.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? IrishDawg42 07/14/26 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
Monken will sort out the current quarterbacks.

DG begins as the third option.

One thing I feel pretty certain about is that the Browns will not keep DW past this season. Why on earth would they?

Less than 1% chance.

That leaves SS. IMO he should play in pre-season and the entire regular season.

The 27 quarterback draft class? They have this season to prove that they are worthy of being the first pick.

Based upon the guys I saw last year which was a limited sample of viewing. I liked Mateer.

I will watch way more this year. Moore throws a beautiful ball. Sellers has the physical profile.

Because these guys all went back to school. They should all show improvement.

Come April they all will have been dissected.

I agree. There are a lot of questions to be answered on the 2027 class. Including, who will stay another year in school. I think the only ones out of eligibility are Mateer and Maiava in the possible upper tier, then Johnson, Sorsby, Stockton, Moss and Hoover with even bigger question marks than the rest. This second tier will be quite surprising if any have a higher grade than round 2 (Sorsby). They would have to make a really big leap their final year of eligibility.

It's going to be such a fun college football season. So many games to watch these players.. I can't wait!
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward oobernoober 07/14/26 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I was hopeful this would work out but had serious doubts. Iran can't be trusted and they never had any intention to move forward with peace. Nobody can say we didn't try.

As far as I am concerned we should just pound them in to dust. Not all at once, just day by day. See how far we have to twist their arm. One of the positives in all of this is it looks like the rest of the Arab world is sick and tired of Iran and are joining the fight. They want to sell their oil as well.

Sometimes with a cancer you just need to cut it out before you start therapeutic measures.

The fact that you and I (and pretty much anyone else with a shred of common sense) could've predicted this outcome should speak to the performance of the folks on our end that negotiated and agreed to the MoU. It speaks to a lack of clear goals as to what we are working towards.

For me, I think we know what the likelihood of success is in terms of prolonged military conflict in the Middle East. The only thing that has me remotely optimistic is the work going into bypassing Hormuz. There are mentions of pipelines and other oil transport methods so that Hormuz isn't as critical as it is today. This whole debacle has also spurred renewed interest in EVs and other alternative energy sources. I don't want to tangent to beating THAT dead horse, but I do think the country moving in a direction that has us less dependent on oil is a positive that few would argue (definitely arguments to be made regarding the how, though).
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Re: Mitch McConnell oobernoober 07/14/26 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Now, when you leave your post and don't report where you are, that's the very definition of going AWOL.

The people vote of and elect politicians unless they are appointed. Mitch was elected. He works for the people. He left the senate and did not report to the people who he represents anything about his status for weeks. None of this is complicated..........................................


But when the Secretary of Defense disappears for 10 days and tells no one, while having surgery for cancer...

Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-secret-surgery-defense-secretary.html

So the Secretary of Defense has cancer and was missing for many days having surgery and being kept in ICU and nobody told the WH until today? What a clown show!
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Oh the humanity!

Oh, the memories.

This is a fair 'whatabout' (for those that want to call it that). I originally started this thread not so much to talk about McConnell but to talk about our federal officials (specifically the elected ones, but also appointed) responsibility to show up to work and what they need to do when they can't. There doesn't seem to be much accountability (at least in practice).
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Re: Mitch McConnell oobernoober 07/14/26 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes he "finally did". People are speaking about the time from June 14th until July 10th. I'm quite sue you understand the point.

No, I did not. The way I read it was he never told anyone where he was. That is simply not true. Now if Woofer or Oobs think I’m wrong then I’ll listen to them. You speaking for them, not so much.

I make a point of not really keeping track of most of the 'tit-for-tat' that goes on in many threads, so if this response doesn't really answer what you're saying then I apologize...

There was roughly a month between when the incident (I believe he fell) occurred, and when there was a substantive update from his office. That isn't acceptable. He has people on his staff that are responsible for communication, and there was none for a fairly long period of time.


Speaking for myself, I don't need to know the nitty gritty details of his hospital stay, but I do believe that as an elected official he and his team have a mandate to provide timely updates on his status (in terms of fitness for office and current ability to participate in execute on his responsibilities) and his general whereabouts.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded IrishDawg42 07/14/26 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by bugs
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.

ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett.

The best the Browns can hope for is that Verse plays similarly to T. J. Watt in 2025.

In my opinion, for this trade to be considered a wash, the Browns' defense must have similar stats to last year. I think this is doable, but a lot has to change on defense.

My biggest concern without Myles is how the secondary adjusts. It's easy to defend receivers when everything is kept to short routes. If you recall, Campbell was a liability for Jacksonville on deep routes. My second concern is the linebackers. What happens to Schwesinger when offenses no longer need to slide protection over to cover Myles? Who is covering the TEs now that they are not double-teaming Myles? Who is our slot corner? Another concern, who are the starting corners if Ward and/or Campbell goes down for the season? Garrett neutralized these weaknesses.

If the Browns' front defensive four can't maintain the same pressure they had with Garrett, it's going to be a long season. Right now, the offense hasn't shown they are capable of doing anything better than last year. Yes, they improved the OL, but we all have seen Cleveland have a great OL with poor QB play.


I don't think we disagree as much as you think. I don't automatically think Verse will be as good as Myles, and I didn't intend for it to sound that way.

At 30, how much longer do you think Myles is going to be the elite guy that teams have to change their entire defense for one week? That's why I said comparing the two from this point forward.

I love Myles to death and appreciate everything he brought to the Browns. He is now traveling more and more and spending a lot a time away from training with his girlfriend. That holds up when you are 25 and as special as Myles is. If he doesn't keep up with his off season workouts, I could see a world where Myles becomes human. Myles has averaged 13.9 sacks per year. I guess my question is, do you expect him to average that over the next 5 seasons, which is the remainder of his contract?

These next 5 years are what Verse needs to be judged by...

Also, for the trade to be a wash, the Browns don't have to have similar stats. If the Browns defense has similar stats then the Browns win because they kept the same defensive stats AND have a first round pick in 2027 along with a second round pick in 2028. Those players would push this past a wash if the defensive stats stay status quo.

To take that a step further though, are you comparing the Browns collectively over Garrett's career or just 2025? Because the Browns defense was never as good as 2025 and Garrett has been here for 9 years. If the Browns take a step back, it could just as easily be contributed to Schwartz. We don't know what we have for a coaching staff in 2026. Could Myles be the ONLY catalyst to a great defense? I don't really think so. I think there are other young players that will keep this defense in the top ten for the foreseeable future.

The secondary is in a better place than it was last year with the addition of EMW. HE is who they will expect to defend those TEs you are talking about. It's what he excels at and was built for. As for time to throw, the Browns defense averaged 2.7-2.8 seconds to throw against in 2025. The Rams defense averaged 2.8-2.9 and Verse was one of the main reasons for that. We aren't talking about systems where the gap is 2.4 seconds to 3.4 seconds.

I re-iterate, a lot will depend on the D that Mike Rutenberg comes up with. There were 31 other teams without Myles Garrett. The Browns can continue to play at a high level depending on Mike's scheme and play calling.

The offense has nothing to do with the Myles Garrett trade unless one of those draft picks go on that side of the ball. Them being bad in 2026 isn't a direct reflection of the Myles trade. If the Browns lose a big step on defense and the two picks go to the offense, especially the QB AND THEY STILL are a bad offense... Then this trade will be a bust.


If the Browns use the Rams two picks to move into the top ten after winning 9 games in 2026, get their QB and he becomes a franchise guy, the Browns automatically win.

All I am saying is, the Browns have more ways to win this trade than lose it, they are a 5 win team with Myles playing the best season of his career. The Rams need to go to the Super Bowl or the trade is a bust for them.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? Bard Dawg 07/14/26 05:03 PM
Sounds like wishful thinking. Mind is made up that SS should start, and everyone else is written off to obtain that outcome. Competition seems to be name only; some posters have their minds made up. We should all be able to see a starter with some skills as common denominators. I want to listen to less rationalizing and trust what I see first hand. Everybody can have favorite preferences, personal picks to win this "competition" in camp. We are not done with this yet IMO.
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Re: Trump will Keep Jet Qutar Gifted the U.S. For Presidential Library PitDAWG 07/14/26 04:47 PM
New Air Force One Lacks Defensive Countermeasures of Previous Model, Officials Say

Experts said the lack of such capabilities poses a potential risk when the president travels overseas. The White House defended the aircraft’s safety.

The new Air Force One, which President Trump flew on earlier this week to Turkey, lacks the same defensive countermeasures that were security features of the old model, including its advanced antimissile capabilities, according to multiple officials who have been briefed on how the jet was retrofitted.

Experts say the absence of those capabilities on the Boeing 747-8 aircraft, which was donated by Qatar, creates potential risk in using the jet abroad, a dynamic underscored by the abrupt decision on Wednesday for Mr. Trump to leave Turkey on the old Air Force One at the urging of the Secret Service.

The episode is intensifying the focus on Mr. Trump’s demands to rapidly retrofit the donated 747 to replace an aging fleet that had served as the official presidential planes.

Lawmakers have called on the administration to disclose whether the overhaul of the Qatari plane, which the Air Force oversaw in the course of the last year, provided sufficient security upgrades. The safety of the aircraft is critical not only for the president, but also for the large entourage of White House staff, Secret Service officials, journalists and guests who fly aboard.

Mr. Trump pushed for the new plane to be put into use as quickly as possible and frequently complained that the old presidential aircraft was not impressive enough to take on international trips.

On Thursday, the White House did not address specific questions about the new plane’s capabilities, but defended its safety.

“The new Air Force One is a state-of-the-art aircraft that has been fitted with high-level security protocols that ensure the safety of the president and his staff,” Steven Cheung, the communications director, said in a statement. “As the president has said recently, there are many enemies of America who have their sights on him, and we use every tool at our disposal to address those threats.”

The Air Force has declined to discuss specifics around security systems on the retrofitted Qatari plane, which is being used as a “bridge” aircraft while two Boeing jets that will be part of the permanent presidential fleet are being finished.

But in a statement it made when it announced that the donated jet was ready to transport the president, it acknowledged that the temporary plane did not have all the equipment usually found on an Air Force One.

“No risk was taken in security, safety or mission communications,” the Air Force said in a statement on June 19. “But the collective team made trades on some of the less commonly used mission sets that Boeing must deliver to support the next 40 years.”

The Air Force would not say what it meant by “less commonly used mission sets.”

However, officials who have been briefed on the retrofitting of the Qatari jet, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe its security features, said it did not have the same counter-defensive capabilities of the previous model.

Two former Air Force officials, who had both been involved in the effort to replace the older Air Force One planes, said they were surprised to see Mr. Trump fly on the new jet overseas, where there are greater security risks. Turkey, where Mr. Trump attended a NATO summit, borders Iran, which the United States pummeled with renewed strikes this week.

The former officials were not involved with the retrofitting of the Qatari jet, but said the speed of the project meant there would not have been enough time to make all of the security modifications that are traditionally associated with a fully equipped presidential aircraft.

“Time didn’t permit all the normal Air Force One modifications, so some mix of security, communications and support is missing,” said Frank Kendall, the former Air Force secretary who was in charge of the department as it tried to push Boeing to accelerate its long-delayed contract to deliver two new Air Force One planes.

“With the Iran situation, this could be of concern,” Mr. Kendall said. “Frankly, I’m surprised to see this plane used outside the U.S.”

Andrew P. Hunter, the former Air Force assistant secretary who was in charge of the Air Force One program during the Biden administration, also said that a true retrofit of a 747 jet to prepare it to become Air Force One would require more than a year of work.

The day before Mr. Trump left for Turkey, Senate Democrats wrote to the Air Force asking questions about the modifications to the Qatari plane and questioning whether it had all the necessary security upgrades.

“Trump’s own statements — including his celebration of ‘a level of luxury that nobody’s ever seen before’ — make it clear that these decisions prioritized Trump’s personal comfort and tastes over U.S. national security,” they wrote in the letter sent by Senator Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, and 12 other senators.

The older planes that served as Air Force One included a defensive system designed to defeat heat-seeking missiles. That capacity is also planned to be included in the new Boeing planes, according to three former Pentagon officials.

Different parts of the defensive systems are visible on the old Air Force One, under the wing of the plane and on its tail. They are not observable in photographs of the new Qatari plane, according to a third former Air Force official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the security protocols.

Missile defense systems on Air Force One have seen little use in the history of the aircraft, but have nevertheless been considered critical aspects of the plane’s security features.

The Pentagon published specifications for the Boeing aircraft now under construction that indicate the new jets will include a “self-defense system” and “mission communication system,” as these and other upgrades are needed “to enable the president to execute the duties of head of state, chief executive, and commander in chief.”

U.S. officials have said that Iran has been targeting Mr. Trump since he ordered the drone strike that killed Qassim Suleimani, in January 2020. During the 2024 campaign, the Secret Service increased protection for Mr. Trump, even before the attempt on his life in Butler, Pa., because of intelligence about Iran’s plotting against him.

Despite the resumption of intense U.S. strikes on Iran, American policymakers briefed on the current intelligence do not believe that Iran has a current plan to kill Mr. Trump during this period. A U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe intelligence assessments, said that Iran had a clear understanding of what kind of deep provocation any attempt on Mr. Trump’s life would be and the intensity of an American response.

Nevertheless, the Secret Service was concerned enough about Mr. Trump’s proximity to the country while in Ankara to force the president to swap planes on the way out of the country, as The New York Times first reported Wednesday.

In announcing the change, Mr. Trump offered a different story: He claimed that he was flying out on the old plane so the new jet could leave early and make stops at U.S. military bases to show it off to the troops because the aircraft is “magnificent.”

One former senior White House official involved in discussions about military aircraft used for presidential travel said that there were frequently points of tension between White House staff and the military advisers and Secret Service over travel plans when security questions emerged.

But when the military experts demanded changes, White House officials generally let them prevail, with “course of action” plans that mitigated potential threats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/us/politics/new-air-force-one-defensive-countermeasures.html

And in response to the NYT exposing their incompetence.........................

DOJ subpoenas NYT journalists over Air Force One report

The Trump administration hit four New York Times journalists with subpoenas on Friday, after the outlet published a story outlining risks involving President Trump’s Qatar-gifted Air Force One plane that recently entered into service.

The Times reported that the refurbished jet lacked some of the advanced security measures of the older aircraft used to transport the president.

The reporters include Julian E. Barnes, Eric Lipton, Tyler Pager and Eric Schmitt. They also wrote earlier this week that a security precaution forced Trump to depart to the NATO summit in Turkey on the old Air Force One, were called to testify next week before a federal grand jury in Manhattan “in regard to an alleged violation of federal criminal law.” The switch-up also raised red flags around potential threats against the president from Iran after the U.S. launched fresh strikes on the Islamic Republic earlier this week.

The outlet noted that before publication, a senior FBI official contacted it requesting to halt the article for national security reasons but declined to provide details. The subpoenas were reportedly delivered to the journalists at their homes by federal agents.

The Times condemned the move, calling it an act of intimidation and an attack on press freedom.

“The appearance of federal law enforcement agents on the doorstep of news reporters should shock the conscience of any American who believes in the Constitution and the press freedom it protects,” Times attorney David McCraw said in a statement.

“Our journalists report the facts and advance the American public’s right to know how their government is operating and their taxpayer dollars are being used,” he continued. “This brazen act should be seen as nothing more than an attempt to prevent the public from knowing what is happening in their country by intimidating journalists from doing their jobs.”

Press advocates also denounced the Justice Department’s (DOJ) actions, saying the move threatens constitutionally protected speech under the First Amendment.

“The Justice Department’s decision to subpoena journalists at The New York Times should alarm every American because it threatens the public’s constitutional right to an independent press,” the National Press Club said in a statement, requesting that DOJ withdraw the subpoenas.

The nonprofit organization Freedom of the Press Foundation (FPF) called the controversy around the Qatari-gifted Boeing 747-8 an “embarrassment” for the Trump administration.

“We’ve long said that when the government claims it needs to investigate journalists to protect national security, it really means its own reputational security,” FPF advocacy chief Seth Stern said in a statement.

“The administration’s embarrassment that it reportedly charged taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars to retrofit a flying bribe that still isn’t secure enough for hostile times does not supersede the need for a free and independent press,” Stern added.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/polit...-times-journalists-air-force-one-report/

At least they didn't try to claim the problem was created by accusing someone of cutting the wiring of the plane with a knife.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? bonefish 07/14/26 04:02 PM
Monken will sort out the current quarterbacks.

DG begins as the third option.

One thing I feel pretty certain about is that the Browns will not keep DW past this season. Why on earth would they?

Less than 1% chance.

That leaves SS. IMO he should play in pre-season and the entire regular season.

The 27 quarterback draft class? They have this season to prove that they are worthy of being the first pick.

Based upon the guys I saw last year which was a limited sample of viewing. I liked Mateer.

I will watch way more this year. Moore throws a beautiful ball. Sellers has the physical profile.

Because these guys all went back to school. They should all show improvement.

Come April they all will have been dissected.
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Re: Mitch McConnell PitDAWG 07/14/26 03:58 PM
Yes, three times longer makes no difference in trumplandia. Which doesn't make either one of those right.

And remind me again who elected the secretary of defense? Oh that's right, he was appointed and works for the president. Members of the house and senate were elected by the people and work for them, supposedly.

It seems as though you missed a very important part of the premise.
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward PitDAWG 07/14/26 03:53 PM
And just as quickly as the wind can change directions...................

Trump drops plan to toll ships in Strait of Hormuz ahead of deadline for US blockade

The U.S. military said it will resume its blockade of Iranian ports in the Strait of Hormuz on Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET after U.S. President Donald Trump vowed to reinstate it. The president, however, reversed his plan to charge a 20% toll on cargo traveling through the strait. Instead, Middle Eastern countries will make investment and trade deals with the U.S., Trump said on social media.

https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-trump-hormuz-updates-07-14-2026
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Re: Mitch McConnell FATE 07/14/26 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Now, when you leave your post and don't report where you are, that's the very definition of going AWOL.

The people vote of and elect politicians unless they are appointed. Mitch was elected. He works for the people. He left the senate and did not report to the people who he represents anything about his status for weeks. None of this is complicated..........................................


But when the Secretary of Defense disappears for 10 days and tells no one, while having surgery for cancer...

Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-secret-surgery-defense-secretary.html

So the Secretary of Defense has cancer and was missing for many days having surgery and being kept in ICU and nobody told the WH until today? What a clown show!
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Oh the humanity!

Oh, the memories.
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Re: Mitch McConnell WooferDawg 07/14/26 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes he "finally did". People are speaking about the time from June 14th until July 10th. I'm quite sue you understand the point.

No, I did not. The way I read it was he never told anyone where he was. That is simply not true. Now if Woofer or Oobs think I’m wrong then I’ll listen to them. You speaking for them, not so much.

McConnell was taken to the hospital on June 14, by ambulance, and there was no real confirmation of his condition until that photo and statement was released. That led to the speculation about his condition. It was simply not known.

The photo had the paper with the date. Obviously there are those that will claim photoshop, but that is not me.

I wish him the best, he has had numerous physical and age related ailments over the past couple of years and his frail condition is apparent.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? IrishDawg42 07/14/26 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by WSU Willie
Curious question here...are SS and DW so much better than DG that DG is completely out of the equation to win the starting job?

I'm not banging the table for DG here...but I find it odd that he's become such an afterthought.

Personally, I just think that DG has a defined ceiling. I don't think it is that he is expected to be "worse", It's just that DW has a proven season(s) that has far exceeded that ceiling and SS, whether warranted or not, has shown an ability to do things that a franchise QB does regularly. SS is very inconsistent at this point though. Which side of that inconsistency is where his grade will be at the end of the year when evaluating the importance of drafting the QB and at what investment that draft pick becomes.

I don't see franchise when it comes to DG, I see a guy that will become a consummate professional backup. The other two have qualities that can win games, not just manager them. Albeit we haven't seen it consistently yet from either of them in a Browns uniform.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? WSU Willie 07/14/26 02:23 PM
Curious question here...are SS and DW so much better than DG that DG is completely out of the equation to win the starting job?

I'm not banging the table for DG here...but I find it odd that he's become such an afterthought.
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Re: Mitch McConnell PitDAWG 07/14/26 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes he "finally did". People are speaking about the time from June 14th until July 10th. I'm quite sue you understand the point.

No, I did not. The way I read it was he never told anyone where he was. That is simply not true. Now if Woofer or Oobs think I’m wrong then I’ll listen to them. You speaking for them, not so much.

I didn't speak for anyone but myself. You see, that's how open forums work. When you post something anyone is allowed to respond.

Now, when you leave your post and don't report where you are, that's the very definition of going AWOL.

The people vote of and elect politicians unless they are appointed. Mitch was elected. He works for the people. He left the senate and did not report to the people who he represents anything about his status for weeks. None of this is complicated..........................................

McConnell provides health update after long unexplained absence; says he suffered fall, pneumonia

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/12/mcconnell-provides-health-update-after-long-unexplained-absence.html
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward PitDAWG 07/14/26 02:11 PM
Does that include civilians and civilian targets?

Trump claims Iranians 'want to hear bombs' because they want to be free

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/t...-hear-bombs-because-they-want-to-be-free

Yet just last month.......................

AP Was There: Millions of mourners attended funeral of Iran’s Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

https://apnews.com/article/iran-khomeini-1989-funeral-ap-was-there-f036d130059c4ecfb1d69636246c2a27

Yet trump told the people of Iran.......................

'Help is on its way,' Trump tells Iranians as he urges them to keep protesting

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cj691w2e840t

It seems as though things are a little messier than you make it appear.
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward PitDAWG 07/14/26 02:04 PM
Marco Rubio’s Warning ‘No Country’ Can Charge ‘Tolls’ in Hormuz Goes Viral After Trump’s New ‘20%’ Fee Announcement

Secretary of State Marco Rubio's warning in late June that "no country" can charge tolls through the Strait of Hormuz went viral on Monday, hours after President Donald Trump announced the United States would begin collecting a 20% fee on cargo passing through the strategic waterway.

The apparent contradiction emerged after Trump abruptly declared in a Truth Social post that the U.S. would reimpose its naval blockade of Iran and assume what he described as a permanent security role over one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, following another round of military exchanges between Washington and Tehran.

"We are reinstating the THE IRANIAN BLOCKADE, so named because it is only stopping Iran's ships or customers from entering or leaving," Trump wrote.

He added: "The U.S.A. will be, from this point forward, known as 'THE GUARDIAN OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT,' but as such, and as a matter of FAIRNESS, will be reimbursed, at the rate of 20% on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of providing safety and security to this very volatile section of the World."

"The process and formation will begin immediately," Trump said.


But Trump's new policy drew attention to remarks Rubio made just weeks earlier, on June 23, during a visit to the United Arab Emirates, where he slammed the prospect of transit fees in the waterway in a caution to Iran.

"That's the law. It's an international waterway. No country is allowed to charge tolls or fees on an international waterway," Rubio said. "That's existing international law. That's the way it is in international waterways all over the world and that's the way we'll expect it'll be here."

"I think all the countries in this region would agree," he added.


Now that it's Rubio's boss who is implementing the fees, the CBS News clip of the secretary of state's comment was resurfaced and was circulated online, including by the network's own senior White House correspondent Ed O'Keefe, garnering thousands of views.

Dozens of users began to post the video in reply to anyone sharing Trump's new announcement.

The Strait of Hormuz carries roughly one-fifth of the world's oil and natural gas exports, making it one of the globe's most strategically important maritime routes.

The post Marco Rubio's Warning 'No Country' Can Charge 'Tolls' in Hormuz Goes Viral After Trump's New '20%' Fee Announcement first appeared on Mediaite.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/marco-rubio-warning-no-country-160248994.html

So I suppose it's only legal when trump does it.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded FATE 07/14/26 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by bugs
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.

ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett.

And in the words of Freddie Kitchens, "whoopty-hell, alright."

55-81-1

That's Myles' record with the Browns. And we waited even longer for him to take over a game on the line than we did for LeBron to make a game winning shot.

I agree with Irish 100% on this one.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? Homewood Dog 07/14/26 01:31 PM
Unless SS lights it up and proves he can be our QB for a long time I would draft a QB next year. We can always trade him and get at least what we invested in him back.
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Re: Watson vs Sanders? IrishDawg42 07/14/26 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
More than likely it will not be simple.

He won't be great and he won't be terrible. He proves to be a good backup. He was then worth the draft pick.

He plays ok and we win seven or eight games. Boo.

Then we are down in the draft order. We end with the fourth selected QB. SS starts in 27 and the draft pick is in learning mode.

It is complicated. It would be better if he is terrible or great.


I agree, at the end of the day, he is a 5th round pick in his second year, with only his first full off season. I wouldn't expect miracles. Very few QBs show the type of play to make you question whether they are the right choice in their second year. Guys taken in the first round get the benefit of the doubt, 5th round picks do not.

As for the other part of the post, I would be ecstatic to improve by 3 wins to get to 8..or even better 9 or 10. I am not going to worry about the draft order. The Garrett trade is the equalizer. When it comes down to players, I still think this draft may end up the best QB draft since 1984, when Dan Marino was the 5th QB taken.

Josh Allen was the 3rd QB taken in his draft, Lamar Jackson the 5th in the same draft class

Justin Herbert was 3rd in his class, Jordan Love 4th in the same class

In 2024 Michael Penix was 4th and Bo Nix was 5th, I know it's early, but which one would you rather have at this point?

The draft is so unpredictable, we could have the #1 overall pick and end up with the 5th best QB in the class. There is a lot of talent coming out and they have the draft capital to get one of the talents. I just want to have a good to great season and see where the chips fall on draft night. Would I love my first choice in QB, obviously. The unknown is, our first choice could end up being the 5th QB drafted. I have a feeling opinions are going to be all over the place on this draft class.

Manning is the media consensus #1 choice right now.. he sure as hell isn't mine. Before the season begins, my order goes like this:

Drew Mastemaker
CJ Carr
Arch Manning
Dante Moore
Julian Sayin
Jayden Maiava
Darian Mensah

Mensah could end up the best QB in this class though. We haven't even brought up John Mateer, Nico Iamaleava, LaNorris Sellers or Avery Johnson yet, who are dual threat guys. You also have Rocco Becht who may end up with more NCAA career passing yards and TDs than any other prospect in this draft class.

I would hate to limit our season in the hunt for something that might not be... Taking a QB #1 next year, I just think it will be a crap shoot whether that player ends up the best at his position. I don't recall anything like this draft class.
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