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I retract my last post. After looking into it I found you were correct about the enrichment level you stated in your post.

I do believe that there are two ways to look at that.

One is if you have a player on your roster that shows such an issue. That player is under contract and you must decide whether to support your employee or not.

The second way to look at it is do you draft a player onto your team that is known to already have such an issue. Do you choose to take on an issue you don't already have?

Many of those "women involved" were reputable, licensed message therapists. They were hired to give professional massages not cater to a creep. Now you have just gotten creepy in your attempt to attack the victims.

I fully understand that being a contrarian is your cup of tea. But people are convicted every day on cases built around circumstantial evidence. Being a contrarian is not always a bad thing. But when it gets to the point of defending a sexual predator, at that point it's no longer attractive.

Mmmmm hmmmmm.....

None of this is about being fair sadly. My mom's side of the family generally live into their mid 80's or longer with few major health problems. Mainly heavy drinkers, smokers and grew up on terrible diets.

My dad's side of the family have lived much cleaner lives and taken much better care of themselves overall yet they often die in their late 60's or early 70's.

I tend to agree with Peen. I think a lot of how long you live is largely based on heredity. I'm sure diet and exercise play a roll but maybe not as much as some people thinks it does.

Oddly enough Keith Richards mom lived to be 91 and his father lived to be 84.

I'm not "stocking" anyone.

I guess you missed it. Much of that "one thread about dems" is full of Tweets from right wing randos on social media posting bogus information. Then you have a large portion of it pointing at some randos and making it sound as if that represents the entire Democratic party. But I get it, nobody should be calling any of that out and let it stand unquestioned.

Where were you when Biden and Obama were president and this place was being spammed by right wing nuts? Nowhere to be found as I recall.

It's odd how people pick and choose who to call out and when.

Here is an example. In case you missed it both parties have contributed to where we are today. And the only platform we've seen trump deploy is to lie, cut programs for the poor by claiming fraud he hasn't proven, using the DOJ as a tool against every one of his perceived enemies and be a nasty, disgusting human being.

The reason people are concentrating so heavily on trump is because we have never seen anything like this in our nation. The things he says and does are beyond any sense of normalcy. Sadly I'm sure you know and understand that while not saying that part out loud. There's a lot of that going on.

The sports world is shifting its perspective on mental health. When a young athlete is highly transparent, takes accountability, and actively completes a rigorous rehabilitation program, universities and professional franchises are increasingly willing to support their recovery. The focus turns to treating the illness while implementing strict compliance checks to ensure the integrity of the game.

I did an AI search on how Sorsby would be treated for gambling addiction.

Interesting. The short version is he will receive treatment. There is more understanding and compassion involved than in the past.

I watched some of Sorsby's highlights. Impressive. Great arm. Good athlete with excellent mobility. Very good runner. Prototype size.

He checks lots of boxes. He could easily carry a first round grade.

Of course there is more involved in doing a complete evaluation.

However, the supplemental draft creates a unique opportunity. There is a risk of course but there is also an opportunity to get a first round talent with a third round pick.

That sounds credible.

I've never seen anything close to a credible source make that claim.

Oooh, you got me arch. At least I know you're still stocking me even when it's in silence most of the time. At least you learned your lesson.

But at least you just scored your "I'm petty point." Great job!

So you have determined that al 26 women who accused watson were liars and so is E. Jean Carol? So somehow in that brain of yours every victim is a liar and watson and trump are the beacons of truth?

On April 17th trump said Iran had agreed to everything including turning over their nuclear material. That was a lie. So I suppose that means you don't believe trump now either?

Getting happy ending massages is creepy. It is not normal behavior. The women involved were hired for a reason. They perform those creepy acts regularly. If not, they would not have been hired to perform those acts. Two grand juries found no evidence to even take Watson to trial for any criminal activates. The women got what they wanted a huge pay day. If we think that a team full of young men are all choir boys and that is why we root for them, you are very much deceived. The reason he was suspended is his creepy behavior gave the NFL a bad look. If the story does not come out, he does not get suspended.

Are there really this many humans willing to stand up and defend Deshaun Watson on these boards? I might have picked the wrong place to spend my time. This guy preyed on young women, you should all be ashamed. Maybe it's because I have three daughters, I don't know. There is no way to coordinate 24 women filing civil suits and a person just says, screw it, I don't care about my reputation, I don't care about the 100's of millions of dollars, let's pay them ALL off so I can look guilty to the league and take my 11 game suspension. In what world do you think this is a run of the mill, let's take a lower settlement than we would probably get by going to trial and moving on? Former U.S. District Judge Sue L. Robinson sure thought there was enough to hand down one of the biggest suspensions in league history, outside of gambling scandals, for the NFL's investigation.

Are you all sane?

I get wanting to win and hoping he can give us one good season out of his $240M contract, but to maintain this guy did nothing wrong is wrong in and of itself.

Jump down off my soap box....

I spent most of the past weekend at the VFW hall.Now,I am a military man,with a great appreciation for the pomp and ceremony.I was,maybe a little too critical of the Honor Guard,which led to "if you can do it better" In hindsight I should have been suspicious because they had Guiness and let me play music,both things the guys don't like.Anyway,this song got a few smiles from the sly old foxes.

Yes, I do not believe liars.

When you submit a bid in the supplemental draft it has to be your own pick.

You cannot bid a pick from a trade.

Two grand juries looked at the evidence and did not find enough evidence to even take it to trial.

The questions around Sorsby boil down to how he is evaluated.

Be it the Browns or any other team.

Determine who he is as a player. And make sure that you are comfortable and that he will abide by the rules.

I don't know Sorsby at all. Not as a player or a person.

However, if someone in his shoes is looking at his future. Sees the kind of money that can secure your future for generations.

One would think that you would do everything possible not to blow it all away.

I am no expert in gambling addiction. I don't gamble at all. So I cannot speak to how strong the addiction can be.

However, I am sure that there are doctors and counselors who are experts that could help.
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From strictly football point of view if the Browns think that he is as good as anyone else in the 27 draft.

Why would you not draft him?

Keith is a medical wonder story.

I have said for years that I have to outlive Keith Richards.

It cannot be fair that someone who has lived his life gets to keep it for so long.

Said no-one. Ever.

But he is PoTUS.Tell me why we shouldn't talk about - say - him suing the IRS. Then potentially doing a back room deal to drop the case in exchange for a $B fund that benefits his supporters while at the same time the case he bought had no merit? Or ICE agents murdering US citizens. Or Project 2025. Or the Iran war. Or inflation and the economy. Or about insider trading that netted people Millions or possibly Billions on oil futures ....

Sorsbey = [img]https://www.ebay.com/itm/363159837106[/img]

I just walk and stretch.

While activity is a sound plan, I think how we age and longevity is about 60% hereditary based. Look at Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones. There is no logical explanation as to how that guy has lived as long as he has. In just looking it up, by an odd stroke of fate he is 82 years old today.

It keeps the skeleton flexible. As far as the 4,000 year old son of a two headed man.... well as Paul Harvey always said "and now you know the rest of the story"