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I see what you're saying. You make a compelling argument and I almost agree with your overall point. I don't because it's taking thinly-veiled corruption and fully embracing it. The last hinderances are being removed (or at least the attempt is being made). That, to me, is the main difference.

Trump says $5K dividend checks to Americans will ‘happen 100 percent’

President Trump on Sunday said $5,000 dividend checks will "happen 100 percent" if the GOP maintains its majorities in the House and Senate after the midterm elections.

The president compared the potential payouts to the $1,776 checks that went out to U.S. service members, telling reporters outside Air Force One on Sunday that he's received the same type of pushback.

"The $5,000 is going to happen 100 percent," he said. "And the reason is because our country is taking in trillions and trillions of dollars. And it's going to happen."

Trump said he will not send the dividends out while the GOP has control of Congress.

"I don't want to do it now, because if the Democrats get it, our country will be in shambles and they won't be able to do it," he continued. "If we get in, we're taking in tremendous amounts of money. We're taking in over $20 trillion in terms of investment. And with the Democrats, all of that money will be thrown out. If the Democrats get in, they won't be able to pay it."

The president first pledged to dole out the checks last Wednesday during the Republican National Committee's midterm convention. He said his administration can disburse the proposed dividends "because we've done so well," adding that the payments will only be used in the U.S.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Thursday that the dividends would not rely on taxpayer dollars and that the administration could "earn the money that Donald Trump wants to pay out, not from the deficit and not from taxpayers."

White House National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett suggested that the checks could materialize via a reconciliation package through Congress, which holds appropriating power. The administration cannot spend public money on anything without funds set aside by lawmakers.

The $1,776 checks sent to around 1.45 million service members last year were part of a one-time housing supplement added to Trump's sweeping tax and spending law known as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-Ohio) quickly announced after Trump's pledge that he would introduce a bill in Congress to ensure the checks happen.

Paul Berman, a professor at George Washington University Law School, previously told The Hill that tariff revenue would not cover the estimated $1.3 trillion it would take to dole out the checks. The president's tariffs have generated roughly $341 billion in net revenue since the start of 2025, according to Treasury Department data cited by the Bipartisan Policy Center.

"Even if there were, that's money that goes back to the public fisc, and then Congress is the one that has the power of the purse to allocate it," Berman said.

But the Supreme Court struck down the Trump administration's sweeping tariffs, ordering a refund of $166 billion of what was generated.

Some Republicans disagree with the dividends. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) highlighted the national debt and suggested that the checks would lead to more inflation.

"From the few details we have, it seems that the proposed $5,000 dividend would not have an income cap and would be extraordinarily costly," Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said about the dividends.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-says-5k-dividend-checks-002732991.html

Once again what you have shown is when and where there is voter fraud it is being found, addressed and adjudicated by state and local means. That there is no need for federal government interference or any need for them to gather information from states to deal with it. There seems to already be a solution to the problem that's working. And as mgh pointed out, you claimed guilt on cases still being adjudicated. You used example of single individuals and it took a 20 year span of time to find those examples. And the topic all along has been mass voter fraud which you, as so many before you, have not shown to be the case.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

What happened to you people? I guess Reagan's quote only applies to things like healthcare.

Water damage - no matter how tiny can cause untold damage and cause mold and all sorts of other issues. So that's not a good analogy. . . or, it's a good analogy for your argument if you can get away with it. I think it's loaded and doesn't represent the situation accurately ....

A better analogy might be cracks in your plasterboard or cieling - I bet you do. Most houses do - just like most elections around the world probably have a tiny amount of fraudulent voting. Do you need to do something rastic because you have one or two or even many cracks in your house? No. If the cracks widen or alter over an extended period - or if you have a survey (like say voting audits) and find substantial wrong, you may need to do something significant. If not you don't spend a disproportionate amount of time, resources and money on a problem that isn't significant. I've had houses in the UK, Ohio, AZ and NC - old and newbuild .... they all had cracks. I never needed to do anything drastic to fix or even repair them other than some spakle. And because my house and every house in my street has a crack it doesn't mean any are falling down or are unsafe.

You might argue that anaolgy doesn't represent the threat significantly enough ... maybe you think it's papering over the cracks (pun intended) ... but I guess that's how analogies sometimes work depending who picks it and frames it.

I don't think the scale is relevant. When something is broken, and you know it, you fix it. You don't see a small leak in your basement plumbing and shrug it off as "ehh, it's just a small leak".

And once you see a couple or three leaks? I guarantee you're looking at the whole plumbing system not saying "the basement is eight feet deep, plenty of time to focus on other things, and besides, all the children know how to swim".

Now imagine a few houses around the neighborhood have the same problem... and they all had the same plumber do the work (mail-in ballots) ... should the headline read: "Most Homes Aren't Flooding"?

That's fair enough.

There is voter fraud. I think the scale of something should be relevant to the discussion to decide if it warrants the attention it garners. Along with the reviewing the possibilty that the abuse could escalate and become a much bigger problem in the future even if it is not a significant issue now.

Following that discussion (which you clearly have already made your mind up on) - who should address the problem and how is a real question.

I don't have an issue with a conversation along those lines ... but I think that conversation is made more difficult (by several factors) when you have a POTUS that has never admitted he lost the last election and you have individuals being appointed to the administration that cannot state Biden won the 2020 election. Maybe you don't see why that makes the conversation so so much harder - and why there is suspicion over anything/everything Trump does in order to escalate the narrative that elections are (today) already unsafe or propose any sort of "fix", bearing in mind that overwhelmingly those who cast mail in ballots vote Democrat.

Can we just quit with the "mass voter fraud on a large scale" argument? That shouldn’t be the litmus test for whether "Houston, we have a problem."

When we, as a party, a nation, or any organized civilization, can look at something that is clearly creating problems or sowing distrust and respond with, “Yes! Give me more of that!”—the argument has already gotten off on the wrong foot.

Personally, my point—and the constant goalpost-moving is the main reason I eventually quit engaging in these conversations—is that the way we’ve expanded mail-in voting, absentee voting, mass ballot mailing, ballot harvesting, etc... This creates a whole host of problems that deserve to be addressed. I’d argue that this is 90%+ of the fraud. (I don't have stats, links and tables; this is my opinion.)

People yelling 135 times that there is no "mass voter fraud on a large scale" doesn’t really address my argument. In fact, it makes me think people don’t actually want to have a discussion about how we make sure we never get there.

We shouldn’t have to wait until there is massive, demonstrable fraud before we decide that a system deserves scrutiny, tighter safeguards, or even some reconsideration.

That’s my point.

I don't doubt your sources - and every case of voter fraud is serious and should be prosecuted. So I am not minimilizing any one instance.

But to put things in perspective - you've gone back 28 years to provide 26 cases (if I counted correctly) of which the majority (over 50%) are individual cases (again if I read them correctly). None of which indicates there is mass voter fruad on a large scale that is somehow happening under our noses without being detected.

On a technicality (because this is what Bull just did to me) - you ended your posts saying "guilty guilty guilty" - but I can see several cases are at the charged stage and your (pressume AI generated summary) states should not be treated as a conviction and there is a "pressumed innocent" verdict and an example where Knott Couty "alleged" somehting without any prosecution or conviction or guity verdict.

I'll repeat - yes voter fraud happens, yes it is serious, every instance should be prosecuted. But in 2020 there was an election that was lost by Trump - despite an enormous effort by Trump supporters to claim there was mass voter fraud that stole the election, there has been no substanitiated claims of such. In fact Fox News paid $700+ million to end a case against them, and 64 other court cases were thrown out or presided on without any "win" for the claims of mass voter fraud. And yes - it is "mass voter fraud" that is the discussion, not individual cases scattered across history by both democrats and republicans. You are free to disagree with me and feel the election was stolen or that there is mass voter fraud that continues at a scale that changes elections but none of it is detected/proven .... that's your choice.

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The entire conversation seems like a reversal of the dynamic we've seen in so many discussions about Trump — what Trump says, and increasingly, what Trump actually does.

Democrats have repeatedly criticised Trump for a myriad of lies, false claims and increasingly questionable statements or actions. Yet the response from many Trump supporters is "TDS" — we're told we shouldn't worry so much about what Trump says, there's nothing to see here, and continuing to highlight the absurd things he says is worthy of ridicule or, at minimum, criticism.

Then on the flip side, we have the 2020 election.

There is no credible evidence of mass voter fraud sufficient to have changed the result. We have a substantial body of evidence from states investigating the claims, recounts and audits, and courts adjudicating challenges. Despite all of that failing to establish fraud on anything close to the scale being alleged, Trump and his supporters still want to press the stolen-election narrative years later.

So on one issue, we're apparently supposed to stop obsessing over Trump's own words and actions because we're making too much of them. On the other, we're supposed to keep questioning an election despite years of investigations and challenges failing to substantiate the central claim.

That reversal strikes me as rather ironic — or maybe it's just a quirk.

I don't know why DT does that to certain links, I think it may be pdfs. If you quote the post, you'll find the direct text of the ones that look like YT videos.

LMK if you need anything else, office is open til 5. Also, we have pre-1961 voter records on microfiche if you need to inspect any of those. Happy Hunting!

You're right. I would hate to circumvent Dawgtalkers PP protocol.

Let me know of all the inadequacies you find while you peruse these sources.


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https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/voter-verification-without-id-documents
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/201.061
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/8200.5100/
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/8200.9940/
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/kar/titles/031/005/040/
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/kar/titles/031/004/010/
https://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-168-523
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...s-show-possible-ballot-stuffing/3138308/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68025894
https://ctmirror.org/2025/08/15/wanda-geter-pataky-arrested-again/
https://www.wfsb.com/video/2023/09/18/video-shows-woman-allegedly-stuffing-ballot-boxes/
https://www.fox61.com/article/news/...520-030d1453-c635-4ab6-b76b-97424c1df0e2
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/...ty-civil-rights-charge-related-primaries
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/...l-rights-violation-related-2017-and-2018
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-re...-new-election-9th-congressional-district
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-re...investigation-9th-congressional-district
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2019/02/27/statement-indictments-election-fraud-probe

https://dl.ncsbe.gov/sboe/Post-Elec...0Election/Post-Election_Audit_Report.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case-document/democratic-national-committee-v-hobbs-en-banc-decision
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/p...cal-operative-sentenced-30-months-prison
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/p...l-operative-pleads-guilty-election-fraud
https://www.justice.gov/archives/op...-ballot-stuffing-bribery-and-obstruction
https://www.justice.gov/archives/op...spiring-violate-civil-rights-and-bribery
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/p...rges-and-guilty-plea-former-philadelphia
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/p...d-nearly-two-years-prison-election-fraud
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/bethlehem-man-convicted-trial-election-fraud-offenses
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/bethlehem-man-sentenced-election-fraud-offenses
https://www.pa.gov/agencies/vote/elections/fact-checking-pa-related-election-claims
https://www.pa.gov/services/vote/file-an-election-complaint
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/woman-convicted-voter-fraud-scheme
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndia/pr/woman-sentenced-voter-fraud-scheme
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/...city-council-atlantic-city-pleads-guilty
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/...ouncil-atlantic-city-sentenced-24-months
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndny/p...ommissioner-pleads-guilty-identity-theft
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndny/p...ns-commissioner-sentenced-identity-theft
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndwv/pr/pendleton-county-mail-carrier-charged-attempted-election-fraud
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndwv/p...rrier-sentenced-attempted-election-fraud
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usa...s/030712Bowman_Whitten_plea_release.html
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edky/p...-violating-civil-rights-and-buying-votes
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edky/p...il-rights-offenses-fraud-vote-buying-and
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usa...metal_electionfraud_Infoplea_090512.html
https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/April/03_crm_254.htm
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/former-massachusetts-state-representative-sentenced
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/arizona-ballot-collecting-law-guillermina-fuentes
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/am...ermina-fuentes-democrat-primary-election
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/p...n-charged-illegally-voting-2024-election
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/p...20-election-and-lying-obtain-us-passport
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdil/p...-probation-voting-twice-federal-election
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/cali...s-including-homeless-people-las-skid-row
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/cac/Pressroom/2012/091.html

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal/legacy/2013/09/30/electbook-0507.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/crt/title-52-voting-and-elections-subtitle-i-and-ii
https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2006/July/06_crt_468.html
https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/1216921/dl?inline=
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-election-ohio-ballots-voter-fraud-786464035733
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there have been plenty of QB's that have won SB's since Baker was drafted. Some of those were on the board for the Browns to draft and they chose not to. None of that has anything to do with Baker. Dear Lord.

The nationwide average price of diesel has reached an all-time record high, climbing to approximately $6.16 per gallon, according to AAA data.The nationwide average price of diesel has reached an all-time record high, climbing to approximately $6.16 per gallon, according to AAA data.

This is the fuel used to ship everything we buy.

Hoops? Since when is citing your source "jumping through hoops"? That's actually the protiocal on this board. I wonder why you're trying to pin the blame on me for the reason you don't wish to address your source? Hmmmmm......

Here's what you unwittingly did.

You have shown that election fraud on both the state and local levels are found, addressed and adjudicated by state and local means. That there is no need for federal government interference or any need for them to gather information from states to deal with it. Which is exactly what some of us have been saying all along. I appreciate your contribution.

Speaking of thanks for the laugh.

For all that still long for Baker. Drafting him instead of Darnold, Allen, and Lamar is why the Browns are still searching for their future franchise QB. Why? HE WAS NOT IT!!!! As soon as the Bengals got Joe Burrow the FO realized Baker was lacking. The panicked and traded for Watson. That compounded the problem with a QB that has much worse skill set, losing 3 1st round draft picks, and salary cap issues due to his contract.

Sam Darnold has won a Super Bowl. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have been NFL MVPs. Baker is not a bad QB, but he is not great. The Browns drafted him #1 and allowed 3 better QBs get drafted after him. Had the Browns kept Baker they would be a preanal 7-to-11-win team since 2020 would have made a couple Divisional round playoff games but would have never beaten Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes in the playoffs. Next season they have to get it right. Do not draft the smallish QB. Get a 6'3 or better QB that can read defenses and bring in the 4th quarter when things look hopeless. I think I saw a QB do that last night vs the #1 team in the Country. Let's not over think this. Lose 16 more games and draft Arch Manning.

Pennsylvania woman dies from measles complications, state’s third death this year
The 40-year-old woman died as the U.S. experiences its worst outbreak of the disease in 35 years.

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A 40-year-old woman has died from measles complications in Pennsylvania, marking the state’s third measles-associated death this year as the U.S. experiences its worst resurgence of the highly contagious disease in 35 years.

The woman, a Jefferson County resident, died Saturday, county Coroner Greg Furlong said on Facebook.

“This is a heartbreaking loss for the family and an unfortunate reminder that measles can be a serious and potentially life-threatening disease,” Furlong said.

No other information about the woman will be released, he added.

The Pennsylvania Department of Health said it was aware of the death reported by the Jefferson County coroner.

“The Department of Health is conducting a thorough review of this case and will provide the public with updated information when it becomes available,” health officials said in a statement.

At least 676 measles cases have been confirmed in 37 counties in Pennsylvania so far this year, the state’s health officials reported Friday. The outbreak has hospitalized 124 people in the state. Of the confirmed cases, fewer than 1% had been fully vaccinated, Pennsylvania health officials said.




The woman is the third person reported to have died in connection with measles in Pennsylvania. The two other measles-related deaths involved infants, according to the Lancaster County coroner, Dr. Stephen Diamantoni.

Measles symptoms typically begin with a cough, fever, runny nose and red, watery eyes, followed by a red rash. The disease can cause severe complications, including pneumonia and swelling of the brain.

The Jefferson County coroner’s office is working with Pennsylvania health officials on the case, Furlong posted.

The U.S. is experiencing its largest measles outbreak since 1991, with more than 3,000 confirmed cases this year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Another thing-
I don't know who heats their home with heating oil, but the cold weather is soon coming and saw a story on social media about people not going to be able to pay to heat their houses this winter in the northeast.

I just checked a couple prices on market watch for heating oil and went back year to date.
Heating Oil
Past 5 days up 12.44%
Past 2 months up 56.63%
YTD up 140.93%

The talks between Iran and the gulf states about the Straight of Hormuz that was supposed to happen today have been postponed.

Saw a report tonight that the east west pipeline in Saudi Arabia could be down as long as 6 weeks plus.

You think this was bad? This was a knife in the gut. Next week Baker pushes it in deeper and twists.

It may not be as ugly, but it's going to hurt sooo much more.

When the decision was made after the last pre-season game to start DW.

We were told he would give us the best chance to win. He had more experience. He could handle pre-snap.

Get the team out of the huddle. Call out adjustments. Basically his experience would help a young team play efficiently.

We had penalties after a penalty. Delay of game, false start etc. We went backwards when we were in position to get points.

Turnovers. He didn't protect the ball. He was lucky there could have been more picks. He played like he did when he last played. Jittery in the pocket. Unsure.

And he beat out SS? I can't imagine how he looked if DW beat him out.

Trevor looked the part of a real quarterback. Under control. Accurate.

One game but damn it could not have looked worse.

Garrett is out. Now, it's time for Watson to fall in line.

nailed it.

9/11 goes back to a time where we didn't get instantly alerted to breaking news. I was in college. Had a 2 hour lecture that morning. I didn't know anything had happened until 10:30 when I went down to the lab and saw everyone huddled around a TV.

I was not expecting much and got less than expected.

The defense was way worse than expected.

Life is about adjusting. So football will go on the back burner.

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You want me to jump through the hoops of citing sources so you can scarecrow that?? I'll pass, but thanks for the laugh.

It might help if you cited sources for your information. And according to what trump and other republicans are accusing, which is that not only is there "mass voter fraud" happening, but enough so that it changed the results of the 2020 presidential election and is on a scale that could change the results and the outcome of the 2026 mid term House and Senate elections, no, it doesn't address anything close to that. Context matters.