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ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett.

The best the Browns can hope for is that Verse plays similarly to T. J. Watt in 2025.

In my opinion, for this trade to be considered a wash, the Browns' defense must have similar stats to last year. I think this is doable, but a lot has to change on defense.

My biggest concern without Myles is how the secondary adjusts. It's easy to defend receivers when everything is kept to short routes. If you recall, Campbell was a liability for Jacksonville on deep routes. My second concern is the linebackers. What happens to Schwesinger when offenses no longer need to slide protection over to cover Myles? Who is covering the TEs now that they are not double-teaming Myles? Who is our slot corner? Another concern, who are the starting corners if Ward and/or Campbell goes down for the season? Garrett neutralized these weaknesses.

If the Browns' front defensive four can't maintain the same pressure they had with Garrett, it's going to be a long season. Right now, the offense hasn't shown they are capable of doing anything better than last year. Yes, they improved the OL, but we all have seen Cleveland have a great OL with poor QB play.

That picture on the newspaper is Giancarlo Stanton of the Yankees- and the picture was from the series against the Guardians in 24

Oil is up about 10% in the last couple days and Iran just said they hit (2) oil supertankers

Yes, it appears to be a couple years old. Also, for being in the hospital for three weeks, there is no bruising of the hands.

There also appears on the internet (so take it for what it’s worth) of a picture posted that shows him in a pretty bad position-an ICU setting. The picture was “supposedly of him taken by a nurse”

Did you see the pic of him? Its an old pic

No, I did not. The way I read it was he never told anyone where he was. That is simply not true. Now if Woofer or Oobs think I’m wrong then I’ll listen to them. You speaking for them, not so much.

I haven't seen anything that screams greatness from him but who knows? Terrible would, along with the ammunition the Browns have in draft picks insure a top QB pick in the 2026 draft.

Yes, it is complicated.

More than likely it will not be simple.

He won't be great and he won't be terrible. He proves to be a good backup. He was then worth the draft pick.

He plays ok and we win seven or eight games. Boo.

Then we are down in the draft order. We end with the fourth selected QB. SS starts in 27 and the draft pick is in learning mode.

It is complicated. It would be better if he is terrible or great.

U.S. will resume naval blockade against Iran Tuesday, at Trump's direction

The U.S. will continue blocking maritime traffic from entering and exiting Iranian ports at the direction of President Trump, U.S. Central Command announced Monday.

The naval blockade will resume Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET.

The U.S. military will continue to support traffic flow through the area for other permissible vessels, U.S. Central Command said.

The formal announcement comes after Mr. Trump said on Truth Social that the U.S. would resume the blockade, the latest effort to manage an uncompliant Iran.

"We are reinstating the THE IRANIAN BLOCKADE, so named because it is only stopping Iran's ships or customers from entering or leaving," the president posted on Truth Social Monday morning. "All other countries will have fair and open use of the Strait."

In the same post, the president said the U.S. would "probably run" the Strait of Hormuz and impose a 20% fee on cargo shipments.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/us-iran-war-trump-ceasefire-attacks-strait-of-hormuz/

AKA: The Strait of Hormuz tariff.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, it's a hard thing to make any real parameters around to some extent in terms of numbers. At least speaking for myself. I was pretty much sold on Sanders being the only legitimate person to start at QB going into this season. But the more I thought about it the more questions that arose. I still lean in that direction but I'm certainly not as emphatic about it now.

All good questions.

Not a single answer from stats. But, turnovers are always a dominant stat.

TD/ Int ratio. Completion percentage.

The way I see it is he has to pass the eye test of Berry and Monken. They see him everyday. They see how the players respond to him.

Both Berry and Monken have said he has come a long way.

The draft order and the play of SS although two different things. They kind of merge together.

SS would have to look the part of a true leader and back it up with performance. SS would have to be very convincing in order for them to not draft a QB.

If the Browns were to have the first pick. Then the performance on the field of SS had to be bad. In addition if we had the first pick who is not going to draft Manning. He would have to play really bad not be the first pick. Pedigree alone counts. What GM would want to know as the guy who passed up on a Manning?

If were we to win nine or ten games with SS and went to the playoffs. SS would still have to look the part of a true franchise guy.

All this is difficult. No easy answers.

I see no point in starting DW. He would have to be overwhelmingly the winner of the camp battle. IMO.

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I believe that would also include his decision making. I agree more first downs is critical but when you throw 7td's and 10int's that decision making becomes a very critical factor. I mean it's hard to make first downs if you keep giving your opponent the ball. That TD to Int. ratio is one stat it's very hard for me to ignore.

I want to see him take care of the ball better. As far as stats go, I think that's measured in less turnovers and more first downs.

Hilarious Garrett Clip

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I'm just curious and maybe there's no one set answers to these questions. I think everyone would be looking for improvement in Sanders especially with improved WR's and an upgraded OL. The question at that point is how much improvement?

At what point or stat level would Sanders have to reach in order for the Browns not to draft a QB in the first round of the 2027 draft?

Would people trust the coaching staffs decision to start watson over Sanders? I mean after all they are seeing both of them in practice and observing their every move. If Sanders is playing backup in preseason, how much does that tell us about him when he is lining up across from second and third stringers? Some of which won't even make their rosters after the cuts. What if they determine what they are seeing from Sanders is enough evidence for them to decide Sanders simply isn't the answer and decide it's not worth the time and effort to start him unless injuries dictate it?

Actually I lean in the direction of starting Sanders myself when the season begins. I realize that watson won't be back and he would be nothing more than a band aid on a bullet wound. Yet at the same time if the coaching staff doesn't see improvement in his decision making and are aware he is not in any way a viable answer to the starting QB position, I could understand why they may go with watson. And God knows I hate the idea of seeing watson on the field leading the Browns.

If they know what they have or don't have in Sanders, why is it so important that we do?

One wants to know what we have in SS.

Plans are in place to be looking at the 27 draft quarterbacks.

We cannot make another draft mistake. I often wonder where the Browns would be today if we had drafted Josh Allen?

Certainly we would not be where we are now.

Berry knows that his mission statement is to fix the QB position.

Whatever people think of SS makes little difference. He is going to get his chance.

I want to see what he is capable of.

I will watch Cavs, especially if LBJ returns and they hold court. Looking for official word.

I also agree, we need to see if Sanders has progressed and to what degree. We need to know what to prepare for in the next draft. I want to win at all costs this season, but unless Watson proves to be much superior to Sanders, it needs to be Sanders.

The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.

Yes he "finally did". People are speaking about the time from June 14th until July 10th. I'm quite sue you understand the point.

I agree.

Unless it obvious to everyone that he is superior to SS. I believe SS should start.