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I can't argue against that.

I'll be honest, probably 75% of my arguments on "climate" are more about timing and mandates though. This one's no different. 1 in 6 farms with over 500 head are doing this. That's a great start, and a great place to stay slow and steady.

Now I don't mean sloooww, I mean judge results, refine tech, realize the breakthroughs that only occur through practice and not a computer model. One of those farms above found out adding their creamery waste added dramatically to methane output. It was rocket fuel for the bacteria and produced massive spikes in methane. Others have learned things that have led to breakthroughs in fertilizers.

As the big boys learn the lessons and improve the tech, the little guys become more apt to look with raised eyebrows. That's when you start to experience innovation that reduces the price of the tech because manufacturers start competing for business.

The alternative - where government pushes mandate after mandate, and farms only comply because they have to, means they all implement the most cost-effective (upfront) system to comply and not really give a crap about impact. It also strings the farmer up by the balls because he has no choice but to pay whatever the tech costs.

Make no mistake though. This is heavily subsidized. None of these things above present any real kind of break-even point. Not saying that's a bad thing, we just have to stay the course and let all the good breakthroughs keep happening, as they always do, at their own pace.

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They have lots of options.

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Nice, I wasn't aware of that. We should be using it more than we are

I just explained it to my granddaughter and she understood. She's 4.

No, no, not this time.

I've been fascinated over the years because stories like this just keep entering the radar from time to time. Last time I jumped in it was something like "biologist have the highest death rate of blah, blah, blah" and the rate was insane.

Yeah, this time frame is really troubling. This is a bit different because "the science" is a bit more on the exotic side. I feel like when this happens so quickly, it's because there was a bad egg on the inside about to get compromised. Either that or there was such a breakthrough that it was time to eliminate the people that did the hard work so a corrupt mega-corp could take advantage.

In example A, think Chinese spy (but not Fang Fang )
In example B, think defense contractor with someone on the inside.

Obviously, just spit balling though.

I have no idea what is going on. It's just very strange. Are you in any way trying to suggest this many have come up missing in this short of a time frame? That's the part I find the most strange.

So you think big pharma and or big AG is behind this?

It's odd you are backtracking now but I would expect no less. It was perfectly clear what you stated and what that means.


Nowhere does it indicate "if you have to" or "if you must".

It is clearly describing what you feel is the proper way it should be spent. You are describing how you think that money should properly be spent with no other indication given.

You're going to need a larger shovel.

I'm not watching because I've seen this story covered all week. Is this a republican thing?

This [censored] is crazy. It's been going on for decades too. I think "the call" is usually coming from big pharma or big AG, probably not in this case though. What the heck do you think is going on?

Nope. I'm saying if you have to spend 8B it would be better to use as an incentive for farmers for ideas that have already come to the finish line then to spend it on some study panel to "get some more stuff thunk up".

Wait, I'll try a different approach... I am in favor of NEITHER, does that make this easier to understand?

Let me guess. You're going to blame this on Hillary........................



The phone call is coming from inside the house.

I certainly didn't miss the context and the way you were promoting the idea.


You sound like Bernie promoting we help the poor while punishing the rich. Reward those who can't afford to limit methane so they can afford it by punishing the rich who can afford to do so but won't.

I'll take that as at least some progress.

Notable Large Farms Capturing Methane

Fair Oaks Farms

One of the most famous examples, this operation uses a central digester system to capture methane from 36,000 cows across nine dairies. The captured gas is purified into RNG to power a fleet of 42 milk-delivery trucks, displacing approximately 1.5 million gallons of diesel annually.


Riverview, LLP

This massive agribusiness operates multiple dairies. Its West River Dairy (over 7,800 cows) uses digesters to generate 3.6 megawatts of electricity, sold to the grid as premium renewable energy. They are also expanding into pipeline-quality RNG projects across their other facilities.


Bar 20 Dairy Farms

Located in Kerman, CA, this 7,000-cow operation uses advanced fuel cell technology to convert captured methane into renewable electricity. This system is highly efficient, providing enough power to run the farm and export a surplus—equivalent to what 48 acres of solar panels would produce—but available 24/7.


Goodrich Farm

In partnership with Middlebury College, this farm hosts one of the largest anaerobic digesters in the U.S., processing manure from its own herd alongside food waste to produce 180,000 mcf of RNG per year.


BC Organics

This isn't a single farm but a 16-unit anaerobic digester facility that processes manure from 11 different area dairy farmers, demonstrating how smaller large-scale farms can pool resources to make methane capture viable.

Did you miss the word IF?

More socialism for farmers?

We have. There are:

manure capturing systems
barn canopy collection systems
wearable backpacks
methane-capturing masks
manure digesters


We also have methods to reduce methane:

seaweed food additives
gene-splicing techniques
breeding techniques

Not much left to study, eh?

If we cared to make proper use of 8B we'd have credits for smaller farms to adopt methods, and we could probably fund it by fining larger farms who don't.

But you know DC, cry about how the world is ending and tell us the solution is studying how.

I am kinda surprised that by now, no one has yet to develop a way to harness all that methane and turn it into a viable fuel source

Comprehension not your strong suit.

But I get it. When you can't debate, post a meme, post a comment from a rando, try to dismiss it as TDS.... Anything but try to talk about the clown that is in office.

They have to defend Dr. Jesus at any cost.

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From the guy who spams more lies from more randos than any other.

CONDOMS FOR HAMAS!! With never an acknowledgement of the lie even after it was proven to be just that.

Every time he sounds like an idiot you claim it was a joke. That's what TDS looks like. I don't have to argue about it. All I have to do is quite what he says. Unlike you I don't have to keep making excuses for him. Go smoke a joint and clear your head.

No, honey, ^ this ^ is what TDS is. Someone pathetically arguing all day that Trump isn't joking about Diet Coke curing cancer. Literally throwing a tantrum because normal people see it for what it is - a joke.

Go outside and have a smoke before your head explodes.

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The dumbasses are those acting like children because we show you all of the dumb and dangerous things trump does and says. That's what TDS is. It sounds like this...

"He didn't mean it!" "He was only joking!" "He just misspoke!" "They're just showing us what trump does and says to be mean! They have TDS because they keep telling us the truth! And all of these things trump does and says is all their fault!"

I would say you sound like a 12 year olds but most 12 year olds are smarter than that.

This is who you are now. The very epitome of what you used to rail against. This is the effect trump has had on you. You are now a shadow of the man you once were.