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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bugs 07/20/26 03:11 AM
I agree.

The fallout from trading Myles will have more of an impact than many believe. If we are lucky, the defense remains in the top 10. I believe they fall into the 10 - 15 range.

Much like the OL issues were overlooked two years ago. I see the same happening to the cornerbacks. There haven’t been any newly drafted players added to the CB room since Martin Emerson Jr. Martin isn't on the roster.

Currently on our roster:

Starters:
Denzel Ward (Ohio State) 9yrs;
Tyson Campbell (Georgia) 6yrs;

Backups:
Anthony Kendall (Baldwin Wallace) 1yr;
Nate Evans (Delaware) Rookie;
Tyron Herring (Delaware) 1yr;
Dom Jones (Colorado State) 1yr;
D'Angelo Ross (New Mexico) 5yr;
Try Avery (Rutgers) 5yr;
Myles Bryant (Washington) 7yr;
Michael Coats Jr. (West Virginia) Rookie;
Myles Harden (South Dakota) 3yr;

For those who think the defense will be fine, let me know your thoughts on what happens if Ward and/or Campbell go down for the season? For that matter, can either Ward or Campbell come off the field?

On top of that, I have my reservations about whether Tyson Campbell can play at last year's standards. I believe we see the Campbell that the Jaguars saw.

You need to ask yourself this question. Are the receivers looking good, or are the corners that bad?
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies WooferDawg 07/20/26 02:26 AM
The 2016 election was a hold your nose contest between Billery and Doofus Don. The resulted in the low turnout. 2020 was the get rid of the Doofus no matter what. 2024 was the battle of the grandpas until Joe pissed in his wheaties and Kamala became relief.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 07/19/26 05:37 PM
Social media influencers Andrew and Tristan Tate arrested in Miami, US Marshals Service tells AP

Influencer brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, whose social media empire promoting wealth, male dominance and misogyny has made them among the world’s most polarizing internet personalities, were arrested Saturday in Miami as British authorities sought their extradition on rape and sex trafficking charges.

The brothers were taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals Service on a sealed warrant, agency spokesperson Brady McCarron told The Associated Press, placing the United States at the center of an international legal saga that has stretched from Romania to Britain.
Britain is seeking their extradition on rape and trafficking charges

British prosecutors announced Saturday that they were seeking the brothers’ extradition on charges alleging they raped and trafficked women between 2010 and 2017.

The dual U.S. and British citizens moved to Romania in 2016. They were arrested there in 2022, accused of participating in schemes to lure women for sexual exploitation. They denied those allegations and the Romanian case hasn’t gone forward because of legal and procedural problems.

Last year, they were allowed to leave Romania and flew to Florida on a private jet.

The brothers are expected to appear in Miami’s federal court early next week, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke to on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive law enforcement operations.

The pending charges in the United Kingdom accused the brothers of abusing women in an area north of London, where they grew up. Their lawyers had said they denied the allegations.

Joseph McBride, an attorney representing the Tate brothers, said in a phone interview Saturday evening that he has not been able to speak with his clients but called the new charges out of the U.K. “filth and slander” intended to derail defamation lawsuits filed by the brothers in the U.S.

“They’re pulling out all the stops to make sure these guys never get their day in court,” McBride said.

“We are confident that once a competent judge sees the facts, and once the Department of Justice confronts this egregious abuse of its own authority, Andrew and Tristan Tate will walk free. America does not do Britain’s political dirty work.”

Tate has been banned from social media platforms for hate speech

Andrew Tate, 39, first reached a mainstream audience as a contestant on the U.K. reality television show “Big Brother” in 2016. He was removed from the show when a video surfaced that appeared to show Tate assaulting a woman. He and his brother Tristan Tate, 38, are vocal supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump.

Andrew Tate has amassed over 10 million followers on X but has been banned from platforms like YouTube, TikTok and Instagram for violating hate speech guidelines. His most widely condemned rhetoric includes comments that women who are sexually assaulted should bear some responsibility for their attacks, graphic descriptions of how he might attack women and criticisms of people who seek treatment for mental illness.

The Tate brothers have consistently denied allegations of abuse and human trafficking, claiming that violent and misogynistic statements have been taken out of context or were intended as jokes.

In a statement Saturday, the U.K.'s Crown Prosecution Services said that in addition to the charges publicly announced against the brothers in 2025, involving alleged crimes against three women, it was bringing a total of 38 new charges related to “four further victims.”

Both brothers are accused of rape and human trafficking. Andrew Tate faces an additional charge of profiting from prostitution, and 19 charges “for offences relating to indecent images of a child and extreme pornography,” according to U.K. authorities.

“There is no place for male violence against women and girls, and we will continue to work tirelessly to support victims and investigate all reports made to us,” said Karena Thomas, an assistant chief constable of the Bedfordshire Police, which investigated the case.

https://apnews.com/article/tate-brothers-social-influencers-arrest-82b6638219839dcf653c09309da66f16

United Kingdom (2025–2026): In May 2025, the UK Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) brought 21 charges against the brothers regarding three victims. On July 18, 2026, following a new evidence file, the CPS authorized 38 additional charges and issued warrants for their arrest in Florida, bringing the total number of alleged victims to seven. They are currently facing extradition from the U.S. to the UK.

Romania (2022–2025): The brothers were initially arrested by Romanian authorities in December 2022 along with two women, leading to formal indictments in June 2023 for rape, human trafficking, and forming an organized crime group. Although they were prohibited from leaving the country for more than two years, a Romanian court lifted their travel restrictions in early 2025.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies oobernoober 07/19/26 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by WSU Willie
Originally Posted by mgh888
I guess my question is - is there really ANYONE on the planet that believes Trump won the 2020 election?

Everything else is posturing and trolling.

I only know what I have access to read or listen-to...but I do know/believe this:

Biden ran with an exceptionally unpopular VP choice in Kamala. Yet he received 15% more votes than did Obama running with Biden as his VP. That makes no sense.

In addition to just coming off Trump's first term, about 20m ADDITIONAL people voted in 2020 and 2024 vs 2016 and 2012.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? mgh888 07/19/26 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by Lyuokdea
OMG -

This is on the same scale as when biden lost it and was clearly suffering with dementia.

I know loves to lie and makes shitt up... But this is beyond that. Jmo
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies northlima dawg 07/19/26 03:54 PM
Pit,
If one can not see the seeds trump is sowing-I pity the fool
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? northlima dawg 07/19/26 03:53 PM
I honestly don't know if he is this profoundly stupid or he is just trying to play the dimwits in his base and the independent voters.
This is so off the scale even for this clown.

And the CHIPS Act was to bring some manufacturing of the semiconductors back from mostly Taiwan before it gets invaded
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? Lyuokdea 07/19/26 03:38 PM
OMG -
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Re: What If? PitDAWG 07/19/26 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I'd say that every player drafted was drafted based on his possibilities. Heck, every player ever signed. I doubt anybody was ever signed with the thinking he has no possible chance.

I agree 100%. Teams generally refer to it as potential. That's the top upside they can see in a player if everything goes perfect. And as we've seen, the players with the best odds of reaching that potential are generally chosen earlier in the draft. Of course teams do find diamonds in the rough later in the draft but statistics show the later in the draft a player is selected, the less odds of success they have.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 07/19/26 02:47 PM
I agree with all of you about trading Myles and what the Browns got in return with the trade. The only thing I take issue with, not with you certainly, is how now that he's gone some posters malign him as if he was a part of the problem. He is a generational player and the most talented player we had on this team. I understand the trade and why they felt the need to do so.

Joe Thomas didn't win games for us either but that still didn't make him any less great. I think the same could be said about Myles.
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Re: More Music PitDAWG 07/19/26 02:35 PM
I stopped drinking several years ago myself but as with yourself I still go to Honky Tonks every now and then to listen to local bands. This is my favorite Honky Tonk song.

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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/19/26 02:26 PM
Perception and what people think is no reason to create new laws and new regulations. If someone mails in their ballot on election day, is that too late or is it their responsibility to make sure the post office does their job and delivers their ballot in a timely fashion?

Republicans hold the majority in both the Senate and the House and still can't pass the SAVE act.

When you have a man as president who has spent the past 10 years sewing seeds of doubt and suspicion over mail in voting, you created the situation we see now of suspicion and finger pointing. Yet after 60 court cases and multiple accusations he still can't show any voter fraud exists that makes any difference in election outcomes and is so rare that this entire thing has been manufactured.

That's no reason to have a sweeping overhaul of election laws. Unless of course you condone changing laws about most everything any time someone manufactures accusations.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies Ballpeen 07/19/26 01:04 PM
Probably never going to get rid of the money. Getting the message out isn't cheap.

To me the easiest is to require I.D. to vote and limit the time a mail-in can be received.

"If" there is fraud, it is with undocumented voters and mail-in votes. It can create the perception of fraud. As long as the perception exists people are going to think things are rigged.
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Re: More Music Ballpeen 07/19/26 12:46 PM
I don't drink anymore but still like hitting a Honky Tonk for lunch now and then. I found this oldie but goodie from 1960 on the old fashioned jukebox.

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Re: What If? Ballpeen 07/19/26 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish


I do not think DW can be measured as a 30 year old. IMO you have to look at his career to date.

Specifically at how he has played for the Browns and his injury history. I cannot see him getting more money from the Browns.

He would have to excel on a grand scale. It is unlikely.

The Browns are plotting their future. A new stadium is arriving in three years.

They are looking hard at the 27 draft.

Even at 30 QB's aren't measured the same from an age standpoint as other positions, such as backs and receivers. QB's generally have much longer careers over other positions.
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Re: What If? Ballpeen 07/19/26 12:26 PM
I'd say that every player drafted was drafted based on his possibilities. Heck, every player ever signed. I doubt anybody was ever signed with the thinking he has no possible chance.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Homewood Dog 07/19/26 12:12 PM
Agreed. Trading Myles now, as much as I hated to see him go, was the right thing to do for both parties. It gives us a chance to further acquire talent with the picks we received and it gives Myles a chance to win a Super Bowl which he deserves. Furthermore, it may prolong his career because he won't be on the field as much because he's now playing on a team that can keep and move the ball.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bonefish 07/19/26 12:05 PM
The old adage that "defense wins championships" only applies when the conditions are right.

What is correct all the time is "teams win championships."

We have had really good defenses under Schwartz and Myles. We didn't come close to winning a championship.

The construction of the roster has to begin at quarterback. That cannot be disputed.

Once a quarterback is in place then it becomes a balancing act of offensive and defensive parts.

We are rebuilding. And we have a long way to go. We have some good parts on both sides of the ball.

But until we have the quarterback to lead the team. We are not ready for prime time.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded mgh888 07/19/26 08:14 AM
Highlighting the deficiency of the offense while having (possibly) the best defensive player in the NFL, certainly the most dominant DE, only highlights why it makes sense to trade him now in order to have the ability to fix the side of the ball he has nothing to do with. Whether anyone wants to admit this or not - Browns are rebuilding: In another season + MG will be older an less valuable in a trade, we won't win more games with MG because as posters have shown, he cannot win games by himself, it is highly likely we will need to draft a rookie QB to solve that position because what we have on the roster in 2026 is a long long shot to be 'the solution' ... Rookie QB means that (most probably) 2027 is also a building year. The fact we got back a very good player in the same position, younger and under contract, means none of the draft capital needs to be spent on filling the void he leaves. It was a good trade even if you didn't want to lose MG - it was a great trade as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/19/26 07:55 AM
So to be clear - you have not said anything. You've talked about how you feel (that it allegedly makes no sense).

Facts are: There was no mass voter fraud. The voter fraud that did occur was nearly an equal split between R and D voters - the R voters actually have a narrow lead. This has been proven over and over by R states doing their own investigation and by the courts - overwhelmingly and conclusively.

As for why Biden got more votes than Trump - you only have to look at how unpopular and divisive Trump was. In addition to that, then look at VOTER TURN OUT. 21 million more people voted in 2020 than they did in 2012 ... any logical guess as to who most of them probably voted for? They didn't all vote for Biden I am sure - but in 2020 there were 22% more voters as a % of the 2012 number. . . . So it makes perfect sense if you want to actually look at it logically.

So either say something in black and white and that you think the election was stolen or accept the facts.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? mgh888 07/19/26 07:48 AM
"Fighting climate change is the responsibility of all countries, including the United States," Carney told reporters.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, whose province is battling out-of-control wildfires, was more direct.

"I truly believe the Americans are good neighbors," he said Friday. "If there's some politicians out there chirping away, well, maybe what you should do rather than complain is send support, send help, because we have done the exact same thing for our American friends."
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 07/18/26 07:53 PM
Over the last five seasons, their average points allowed per year are as follows:

2025: 22.3

2024: 25.6

2023: 21.3

2022: 22.4

2021: 21.8

The Cleveland Browns' average points per game scored over those same five seasons are:

16.4 PPG in 2025

15.2 PPG in 2024

23.3 PPG in 2023

21.2 PPG in 2022

20.5 PPG in 2021

In 2023 which is the only season out of the last five the Browns scored more than an average of 21.3 points per game and the offense averaged scoring more points than the defense allowed, the season record was an 11-6. Which is the last time they made the playoffs.

You can try and breakdown at what point in the game points were given up if you wish. Even though you didn't actually make an attempt to do that. But the fact of the matter is this offense hasn't been able to score enough points to win games on a regular basis.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? northlima dawg 07/18/26 07:25 PM
I hope all you magats that wanted to save a few bucks by not tracking Cyclospora by cutting FoodNet are enjoying eating lettuce rinsed with human crap water.
Who needs regulations
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward northlima dawg 07/18/26 07:15 PM
https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-hormuz-strait-war-july-18-2026-5adfef67554652580963684d9a663af2



US military says 2 troops are dead and 1 is missing after Iran attacks a base in Jordan



By JON GAMBRELL, TOQA EZZIDIN and KONSTANTIN TOROPIN
Updated 2:06 PM EDT, July 18, 2026
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The U.S. military on Saturday announced its first troop deaths due to direct Iranian fire since the opening days of the war, saying two were killed and another was missing in an attack on a base in Jordan.

They were killed Friday as the U.S. and partner forces defended against ballistic missile and drone attacks, a statement said. Four other service members were medically evacuated to Jordanian hospitals and later discharged. The dead were not identified.

Since the war began, 16 U.S. service members have been killed and over 430 wounded.

Minutes earlier, Iran’s supreme leader warned of “unforgettable lessons” if the U.S. keeps attacking the Islamic Republic. The remarks read out on state TV and attributed to Mojtaba Khamenei, still unseen since the war began, also called President Donald Trump’s signature “worthless and invalid.”

The comments came hours after a negotiator said Tehran was suspending its commitments to the interim deal signed about a month ago and aimed at permanently ending the fighting.


Tehran’s declarations snapped another fragile thread as the war shows no end in sight. Now Khamenei warns of “lessons” not only from Iran but its armed proxies in the region, calling them the “Axis of Resistance.”

The battle over the Strait of Hormuz has intensified in a conflict increasingly focused on control of the essential waterway that previously carried a fifth of the world’s crude oil. The strikes threaten civilians and infrastructure, including desalination plants for drinking water, while the global economy again is on alert.


The U.S. has violated its commitments under the deal that was signed about a month ago and now Iran is “no longer implementing them,” Kazem Gharibabadi, Iran’s deputy foreign minister, told state TV.

There was no new word on mediation efforts.

Kuwait sees the most striking damage
The most significant damage from Iranian strikes on Saturday occurred in Kuwait, where a water desalination plant and an oil facility were hit, according to the Kuwait authorities and the Kuwait Petroleum Corporation. Both declined to provide locations.

The strikes injured several people at the oil facility and caused a fire at the desalination plant, forcing several power generation units offline. It was the second attack against a desalination plant in two days in the tiny desert nation that depends on desalination for 90% of its drinking water.


Several firefighters and a worker were injured while battling two other blazes sparked by Iranian strikes, according to the Kuwait Fire Force. Kuwait briefly closed its airspace due to missile threats, and Kuwait Airways said it was rescheduling most flights to and from the capital.

Meanwhile, Iraq said it shot down attack drones over the city of Irbil. Jordan’s state-run Petra news agency said the kingdom’s air defense systems had downed Iranian missiles, while air sirens sounded multiple times in Bahrain throughout the day and in Saudi Arabia in the morning, according to their governments.

The secretary general of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council, Jasem Mohamed al-Budaiwi, accused Iran of war crimes for strikes on infrastructure and civilian facilities.



US strikes hit infrastructure in Iran
The U.S. Central Command said early Saturday that its seventh straight night of strikes hit “surveillance sites, military logistics infrastructure, underground weapons storage, and maritime capabilities.”

U.S. airstrikes hit an electricity and desalination plant in Iran’s southern Hormozgan province, Iranian state TV reported. IRNA said the Bonji desalination plant was destroyed, cutting off water supplies to about 10,000 people, and that a desalination plant on strategic Qeshm Island inside the strait was damaged.

Overnight strikes damaged two tunnels and a bridge, disrupting one of the main highways toward Bandar Abbas, Iran’s main port that sits near the narrowest part of the strait, according to Iran’s state-run news agency. IRNA said three bridges were hit Saturday, including one on a route to Bandar Abbas.


Iran acknowledged “attacks on power infrastructure” during the U.S. airstrikes for the first time Friday when its Energy Ministry issued a call for people to use less power in southern provinces “experiencing extreme heat.” It did not specify what was hit.

Iranian authorities said at least 50 people have been killed and more than 500 wounded in U.S. strikes in the past three weeks, including eight killed in a strike on a bridge Friday.



Iran effectively closed the strait to shipping traffic after the war started with U.S. and Israeli strikes on Feb. 28. That sent the price of oil soaring and has given Tehran significant leverage in negotiations.

Iran has said the strait must be under its sole control and that vessels should pay fees to Tehran, even though the world for decades has considered it an international waterway. It fired on ships on recent days. Crossings through the strait fell to a three-week low, according to an international shipping tracker.

Trump has resumed threats to target power stations and bridges to try to compel Iran to loosen its hold. The U.S. in the past week reimposed a naval blockade on Iranian ports to halt its shipments of crude oil.


A growing amount of the region’s energy is being shipped through pipelines, but not nearly enough to offset the decline in shipping.

Before the war began, the U.S. had been in talks with Iran over its nuclear program. Trump now faces political pressure to end the war and avoid the kind of prolonged Middle East conflict he had campaigned against.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Steubenvillian 07/18/26 06:34 PM
Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day?"

While I agree somewhat with this statement, How many times did the offense have a lead in the fourth quarter, and the defense let teams go right down the field and score? Myles is generational player, he was also coddled by the coaching staff. How many days off did he have during a season, while other players practiced? I don't care if he still produced, that is not a team leader. How many off season workouts did he attend? While many other vets were present at all of them. While he was a great player, I can't think of many times that he was the reason for a win. Over the past few years, the defense gave away wins just as much as the bad offense. Myles has always been about himself
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