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I believe the results reflect the data and don't think the results are tinkered with.

The problem with the data is there is no way to check if it was a legal vote once the lever is pulled so to speak. It's just a ballot reflecting a vote for such and such a candidate. The fraud happens before the actual vote is cast.

My feeling is all voters on site need to show a valid I.D. No sane individual can make a sound argument on why that shouldn't be required. For mail-in my solution would be more controversial. I would require the ballot be signed and dated by the individual. That is the only way to make sure the person who received the ballot was the person actually voting. It would also be a means to check for multiple ballots being submitted by the same voter.

I have no doubt that illegal votes are being cast in mass. The last election in California is a classic example where the 3rd place candidate somehow managed to surge in to 2nd place after a massive tilt in the mailings as they came in days later.

Yeah... damn it! Would have been so awesome to see a fairytale run. What a treat though.

What a game! What a day!

It's awesome and this third set has been wild. I was just texting my brother about this!

Unrelated to your unrelated... it's pretty awesome to see Serena and Venus on the court together again.

Looks like we may need some Playoff Rocchio magic again tonight.

Unrelated. Tiafoe in straight sets! Ben Shelton up next on primetime at the U.S. Open.

Dude had a DAY. And we still have one more game to play.

I personally believe the elections are safe and secure based on empirical data and every court decision so far that we have seen.

If you choose to suggest that the president of the United States is an alien and I can't prove otherwise as a basis for your arguement or something similar to that type of arguement.... That's on you and says everything about you. Have at it. I'm not, but I choose not to engage on your childishness

There's nothing definite about it. You believe elections are safe, secure, and valid based upon numbers that you believe to be accurate. No one knows how accurate the numbers are or if they are actually representative of the whole. Go personally check all 154,308,000 votes and prove to us how accurate the counts were for 2024. If you check ten a day you should be done in ~42,000 years. It would only take ~422 years if you do 1,000 a day.

Mmmm

Trump brings fight over mailed ballots back to Supreme Court

WASHINGTON −The Trump administration is once again asking the Supreme Court to let the U.S. Postal Service tighten the use of mail-in ballots ahead of the November midterm elections, which will decide control of Congress.

In an emergency appeal filed on Sept. 3, the administration asked the court to lift a judge's ruling that paused President Donald Trump's new role for the Postal Service.

That ruling came after the Supreme Court last month said a previous ruling from U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani was premature because it came before the Postal Service had finalized rules for how it would implement Trump’s executive order.

Talwani issued the latest block a day after the Postal Service published its final rules, finding that they are probably unconstitutional and would be impossible to carry out in time for this year's elections.

Her hold on the policy is temporary and will expire on Sept. 10 unless she extends it, a move the judge is considering.

The administration told the Supreme Court that they should intervene now − despite the lack of a final decision from Talwani and before an appeals court has weighed in − because of the fast-approaching election.

North Carolina will begin mailing absentee ballots to voters on Sept. 4.

Rick Hasen, an elections expert and law professor at UCLA, called the early intervention request by the administration "highly unusual procedurally".

Under the controversial order Trump signed in March, the Postal Service sets standards for ballot mail envelopes and states must submit lists of verified voters. The Postal Service can refuse to deliver ballots that don't meet the new rules or bear the name of a voter who is not on a list.

A whistleblower has warned that the technology developed by the U.S. Postal Service to carry out the order could "derail the midterm elections," saying it hasn't been properly tested and risks "catastrophic failure" if implemented.

A Postal Service spokesperson has said the agency is "carefully reviewing" the issues raised by the whistleblower. The agency has spent months developing a "simple, secure, and efficient" mail ballot system, and the work was "conducted in a manner consistent with court orders," the spokesperson said.

Under the Constitution, states are assigned the role of administering federal elections. But Trump has called for greater federal control since losing his 2020 reelection campaign. He’s continued to push the false claim that he lost because of widespread voter fraud.

Regardless of whether voter fraud is common or not, Trump's policy will help protect the integrity of federal elections, the Justice Department said in its appeal.

The fight over what rules govern absentee ballots could be crucial for the 2026 midterms, which will determine which party controls Congress. Democrats can take control by flipping a handful of seats in the House and Senate.

Voting by mail has decreased since its peak during the COVID-19 pandemic. But nearly 30% of voters still cast a ballot that way in the 2024 elections.

Democrats are more likely than Republicans to vote by mail, according to the MIT Election Data & Science Lab.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...upreme-court-postal-service/91598981007/

Now it seems Republicans think our election rules should be set by presidential decrees rather than any what used to be normal means.

So if there is litigation that delays the verification of election results I
... Or tries to cast doubt about the results... Which is basically the prediction, that's not good enough to win the bet?

You're wanting to assume no litigation and only between the guy doesn't admit his mistake (if that happens?

SS will play this year.

If he plays badly I wonder how long Monken will give him?

DG may only get a chance through injury.

The Browns are not going tank on purpose. They are going to try to win every game they play.

The results will be judgement on what is lacking to succeed.

No, no, no... that's not the bet, Kemosabe.

He said: "there will be months and months of litigation and the President of the United States going to the mat and saying 'I do not believe the new Congress should be allowed to sit as the constitution calls for.'" You summed it all up with "something to watch for".


I said: I bet you $20 he has no response, retraction, comments at all, when and if it doesn't happen.

My point is the endless predictions of the coming dystopia, that never come to pass, never have any of these talking heads standing up and saying "Hey, I was wrong". Never.

It's the "heads I win, tails you lose" method of grifting he has always used. The only time he complains about illegal voting are in states and elections he loses and his minions follow along blindly. Much like his criminal convictions and the findings in his sexual assault law suit.

He's never guilty of anything because it's always someone elses fault. Just ask him.

The Browns could very well do what you are saying: "play him until the wheels fall off!" I hate for any player to get injured, but the sooner DW gets placed on IR, the sooner the insurance money kicks in.

I'll take the $20 bet on whether there is litigation after the midterms. Would like some clear cut definition of what the actual metrics is.

But to date, our elections are definitely safe and secure and valid. Provably so... And yet again Trump is trying to undermine confidence in them.

I try to keep in mind that Monken has zero ties to Sanders, Gabriel or DW. They were here before he got here. The only QB currently with the team Monken has any ties to is Taylon Green. If they are only forced to use three starting QB's this season I have no idea which way it would lean between Gabriel and Green.

What facts have you presented that in any way provides any evidence of mass voter fraud? Do you need help with the answer?

I apologize as well, and will go a step further to say I sometimes vent frustration on here when work is getting to me (this is one of those times). That type of energy really isn't needed (to put it mildly) in these threads.

Sounds like a #triggered, #snowflake way to explain away opinion and common sense and blame it on, well, a conspiracy. As usual, the irony is pretty thick.

Don't respond to any facts though, mac. Just play the "cult" card, you wear it well.

We can witness how effective the phycological games work on those who are willing partners, spreading exaggerated and untrue conspiracy theories.

Keep repeating conspiracy theories and a certain percentage of the "followers" will begin to believe them.

I'm sure Gabriel will get a shot at playing this season. I'm sure they all will plus someone not on the roster at this point.