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Pretty sure Gruden just bought a mansion on the lake...

Man, where to start. I guess a tip of the hat to you, Bone. Nice introspective discussion. Besides, you had me at "Skip Clueless". 🤣

I'll be blunt, but probably not brief.


But first, the media... simple... *%^ the media. Since Stefanski set foot in Berea, he's been adamant about "the noise" and tuning it out.... on every level.

The game-show-style beginning of Shedeur's career jumped right on stage with the draft day(s) saga. I'm sure a long lecture about "noise" (especially since the brass had no idea how when Deion may appear from behind Door #3), took place from the first time his a$$ sat in the seat.


From that point, in my eyes, Shedeur has humbled himself and become a student... not just to the game, but to life in the NFL. At least that's the way it appears on the surface.

This says nothing to his growth on the field, but his growth as a young man trying to navigate what appeared as a shattered "destiny"... and craft it into a puncher's chance. That has been a refreshing surprise.

And that $h*t happened fast. Dude woke up and realized, not only was he not the "chosen one", but teams were also about to pass on him a half-dozen times each. He didn't cry to daddy or throw a hissy-fit to the media. In the face of that media screaming racist, conspiracy, blah,-blah-[censored], he has never paid a bit of attention to that (at least not out loud). That demeanor continued while they were all screaming that he should be starting.

But let's be real -- Shannon Sharpe just said Shedeur should refuse to start the rest of the season. Implying that the Browns are sabotaging his career by starting him against such good teams at the back end of this schedule. Cannot make this stuff up. I hope, if crap like that actually makes it to Shedeur's ear-hole, a hearty laugh is at the back end.


Kudos to Shedeur, despite some harmless immaturities, he's put his nose down and has been humble to the grind; all red flags averted. And Deion being a basic zero-dark-thirty is a huge plus as well. Let's see where it goes.


I won't rant into his performance on the field. There are things I like and things I don't. I'm at the point where I feel like the biggest hurdle will be his arc from Rookie QB1 to verifiable fQB. It may be a bumpy, unpredictable road. And the end product may be another guy we love to hate and hate to love.

Things I love are his nuance with velocity... and ability to throw a very accurate and catchable ball. He has thrown some dimes.

I feel like when QBs that have learned the fine art of putting some air under the ball, the synergy with WR's becomes exponentially effective. DBs just have a hard time adapting -- almost like great hitters trying to adapt to a knuckleball pitcher. However, that style makes timing even more critical.

I also cosign with Woofer's analysis that the coaching staff is adapting right along with him, that points to a healthy relationship when we can watch constant development from week to week.

I'll stop, but in the short term, I'm excited to see how that style meshes. It only takes a handful of connections, and a certain rapport with a WR like Isaiah Bond, before that duo could be deadly to defenses. If Sanders can show constant progress in his read progression and timing, and limit the Chicken Little drop backs, he can find himself smack-dab in the wheelhouse of a Stefanski-type offense.

Fingers crossed.

He said we will keep the oil from the tanker. I wonder how stealing a ship and its contents from a nation we are not at war with isn't piracy?

Every draft is like a fingerprint.

Once the draft order is official. We can start to speculate on who to draft.

The Browns will have a full year with Shedeur to review. So they will have a pretty good idea of who he is as a player, teammate, leader, worker.

They will not have the same information about the draft prospects.

KS was a quarterbacks coach with the Vikings. For anyone to criticize KS without direct knowledge of the time and coaching he has given to Shedeur is just background noise.

To question his intent is totally absurd. Of course he wants him to succeed.

Answers will come as time passes. Let's see what happens in the games to be played.

"NO" to Tomlin as the Browns next HC.

A name that has surfaced as a possibility as the Browns next HC...JON GRUDEN.

LINK

https://www.brownsnation.com/alex-wright-reveals-how-players-feel-about-shedeur-sanders/

There is quite a bit of media noise about Sanders and Stefanski. Read this article and it tells you what the media won't. Stefanski has to be given some credit for how Sanders has performed since starting for the Browns. Alex Wright says Sanders brings and energy to the team and everyday he gets to work he comes in and sees Sanders in the office with Stefanski. That comment speaks volumes. One it blows up the narrative that Stefanski does not like Sanders. Two it shows Sanders is serious about being a great QB. He is in early with the coach in the office watching tape.

I believe that when the NFL draft started Sanders was not in Berry and Stefanski's plan. The bottom-line is Sanders was projected by talent to be a late first to early second round pick. Sanders is a deadly accurate passer that is fearless and will stand in until the last second to deliver a pass. He sees the field well and spreads the ball around. Has been a part of two bringing bad teams back to respectability in college. Jackson State was 15-19 before Sanders at QB and 23-3 with him at QB. Colorado was 1-23 before Sanders and then 13-12 after two seasons with Sanders including a 9-3 regular season in 2024. Sanders is not Lamar Jackson but he is a better athlete than he is given credit for. Sanders does not have a great arm, but he has better arm strength than he is given credit for. Shedeur is a good leader and well liked in his locker rooms. He fell in the draft for 2 huge reasons. Sanders is immature and undisciplined. It was noted many times his Father as his coach begged and pleaded with him many times to not take so many sacks. He begged him to throw the ball away. His biggest knock was QB's in college that take sacks take more sacks when they get to the NFL. The immaturity factor was a concern because many did not know if he was coachable.

Like him or not Stefanski has taken a lot of heat when it comes to Sanders but he has to be given a lot of credit when it comes to what we have seen so far out of Sanders. Stefanski has gotten the strengths out of Sanders game while minimizing the weaknesses.

The irony I see with Sanders and Stefanski is the similarities between Sanders and Baker that Stefanski was on record as saying I cannot work with him. Both Baker and Sanders are 6'1 and some change. Both are brash, outspoken, came into the league immature, do not have elite talents that most franchise QB's have but fairly solid in most areas of their games. When I watch Sanders play I see so many similarities to Baker.

I was never a Baker guy. I do not think Baker will ever win a super bowl but I am not blind enough to say it was a mistake trading for Watson and cutting Baker. I think the FO panicked when they saw Joe Burrow and the Bengals pass them up so fast in 2021. I think Sanders can easily have a Baker career, so I do not want to see them just give up on him quickly make a mistake on just drafting a new rookie QB and the teams takes another step back. See the Minnesota Vikings with McCarthy after what they had last season in Darnold. If they have a chance to draft a QB they are fairly certain will be a franchise can't miss future super bowl winner and hall of famer they have to draft the QB. Is that Mendoza? If not lets build around Sanders and give him a 1st round wide receiver and left tackle in the future draft.

To start, I am not a Sanders fanboy.
TBH, he kind of annoys me.

However, I have seen enough to feel that we should pass on a Qb in the next draft and give him a full season next year.
Unless he completely collapses
I expect a bad game or 2 but do not expect a complete collapse

Got it. Yes - if the demand is there, someone will fill the need/demand.

This is some crazy stuff-and a lot more happened today

Shedeur was selected in the fifth round for real reasons.

He has been developed to his credit.

The 26 draft order is still unknown.

In four games the guy the Browns may have wanted to draft could be gone.

Wow. Developing story as he has now been detained by police as well. Rumors include staff member being pregnant and police called because he threatened to kill himself.


Michigan fires Sherrone Moore for inappropriate relationship


Pete Thamel, Dan Wetzel and Adam Schefter
Dec 10, 2025, 04:44 PM ET

Michigan fired coach Sherrone Moore for cause Wednesday after a university investigation that found "credible evidence" he was engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

"This conduct constitutes a clear violation of University policy, and U-M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior," athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement Wednesday.

Biff Poggi was named interim coach. Michigan is slated to play Texas in the Cheez-It Citrus Bowl on Dec. 31.

The news ends Moore's Michigan coaching career at 17-8, with his final game a 27-9 loss to Ohio State to conclude a 9-3 season. The 39-year-old had gone through two years of his five-year contract as the Wolverines' head coach, and the school's firing for cause means it isn't planning to pay the nearly $12.3 million it would have owed him on his deal.

Moore was promoted to Michigan's head coach in the wake of Jim Harbaugh's departure for the NFL after Michigan's 2023 national title.

Moore endured some off-field controversies before his firing, including a suspension in Week 3 and Week 4 of this season tied to the Connor Stalions illegal advanced scouting scheme.

Moore was set to serve an additional one-game suspension for the start of the 2026 season as well. He was also suspended for the season opener in 2023 as part of self-imposed penalties for breaking recruiting rules.

Moore was a successful offensive line coach and offensive coordinator before being promoted to head coach. He was a finalist for the Broyles Award in 2023, when he was the playcaller on Michigan's national title team.

The firing puts Michigan in a difficult position of finding a coach in the wake of what's been considered the most volatile coaching carousel in recent college football history. There's already been a flurry of hires and extensions, which will complicate Michigan's search.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...an-fires-coach-sherrone-moore-9-3-season





Ex-Michigan coach Moore detained by police after firing

Pete Thamel
Dan Wetzel
Dec 10, 2025, 07:37 PM ET

Sherrone Moore was detained by police in Saline, Michigan, on Wednesday and was later turned over to a second area police department for investigation into potential charges, the Saline Police Department stated.

"The City of Saline Police Department assisted in locating and detaining former University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore," the department said in a statement released to ESPN. "Mr. Moore was turned over to the Pittsfield Township Police Department for investigation into potential charges."

The University of Michigan fired Moore as its head football coach earlier on Wednesday following an investigation into Moore's conduct with a staff member.

"U-M head football coach Sherrone Moore has been terminated, with cause, effective immediately," the school said in a statement. "Following a University investigation, credible evidence was found that Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

"The conduct constitutes a clear violation of University policy, and U-M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior."

Calls to both the Saline and Pittsfield Township Police Departments have not been returned.

Moore, 39, spent two seasons as Michigan's head coach, after serving as an assistant coach with the program beginning in 2018.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...higan-coach-moore-detained-police-firing

I have not said much about Shedeur.

I feel a bit bad about the media circus that the mindless numbskulls fill the airwaves with. It is part of the problem, so much media chatter, it is fodder to fill the airtime and something to talk about it. My wife calls the Sunday shows "The View for men"

Just because someone has a take, does not make it an accurate assessment. My advise for the media is to avoid it if at all possible. They make money for being provocative and filling the airwaves with interesting banter. Interesting is the key word. Accuracy or truthfulness in the content of the banter is irrelevant. Sell the ads.

Now, what I think of Shedeur. I liked him as a QB at Colorado. That team played well and was entertaining. I thought he had the potential to be a NFL QB. I did not like all the sacks in college but that can be a result of a bad offensive line.

Lots of drama about not being picked in the first round, and being picked by the Browns in the fifth. I think that KS does not like drama QB's aka Baker. I think the plan was to sit him all year and work with him in the off season to figure out. Gabriel was thought of as a player more ready to play. Then Gabriel gets hurt.

The Baltimore game was everything that one would have anticipated. But I think credit should be given to the Browns coaching staff, as Shedeur looks like a completely different player. If the Browns think that he can be the starter going forward, they have a reasonable sample size. If the starter is someone else, so be it.

Everything goes away with winning.

It is easy to criticize since everything has failed in the past. The media doesn't need to work! The sheep will follow every word.

Hopefully, Haslam has a pair and will let it play out.

Sometimes I can handle SA Smith.

Other times his schtick is exhausting and foul.

He of course is not alone. The players know the game because SA made the game work. Be outraged and talk loud and fast. You don't need to be right. Just keep them tuned in to what you say. One of the worst media members is Skip Clueless. The cowboys fan boy cheerleader. Geez.

The narrative that the Browns and specifically KS is ruining Shedeur is perfect theater. "They want him to fail." "He was never wanted." "They never gave him first team reps."
"They never prepared him." "They took him out of the game when he could have won the game."

How absurd. Shedeur has been handled perfectly. He is right where he should be. He has a four year contract and he is starting after being drafted in the 5th round.

The results and his growth prove that.

When they traded to draft Shedeur. They wanted him because it was a value pick in a position of need. They scouted his flaws and felt he might develop.

They signed two veterans to compete to be the starter. Gabriel and Sanders would get to watch and learn. Pickett fell out because of injury. Flacco became the starter.

The season unraveled. The loses piled up. Flacco at forty was not the future. The plan became let the rookies play and find out about them. Gabriel was further advanced and started six games. He got injured and Shedeur got his chance. He ran with it and proved he deserved the opportunity to finish the season. They gave it to him and announced it quickly.

Shedeur learned from watching. "Hungry Dawgs" was a program to give rookies extra work and coaching. Shedeur had lots to work on and he did a great job taking the coaching and putting what he learned on to the field. It is so obvious.

But they can't beat this topic enough. "He has to get out of Cleveland to succeed."

Guess what SA? He Ain't A Going Nowhere.

Here’s something some may find ridiculous: a US college all-star team, given two months to gel, wound be pounded by the worst CFL team.

Bill Callahan is 69 years old and I'm not sure if coaching football is in his future plans.

That said, Callahan and Joe Thomas as OLine advisors to rebuild the Browns OLine via the draft, we would be hard pressed to find anyone more qualified than those two.

Berry's history of drafting OLine is matter of record...and not very good.

OR...maybe create a false flag situation... could be that Venezuela is hiding cocaine is in the oil...

When all else fails..start a war..!

So you are simply throwing out what you "think and feel" regarding the Steele Dossier' even though much of its content were shown to be true. Aw, those feelings mean so much.

So now you bring up the trans issue. Which once again has nothing to do with the topic.

Having a "choice" isn't advocating anything other than to give women a choice.

advocate; a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.

The policy being advocated is choice, not to "advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies." Someone needs to buy you a dictionary for Christmas. Let me guess, you don't believe in the definition of words either?

Yeah, the president who did everything in his power to cover up the Epstein files to protect pedophiles seems to be an issue you are having trouble understanding.


You don't need to. Here is what you are not believing. You are not believing juries. Through all of your mindless rants it seems to have escaped you that it was not Biden who convicted trump. It was not Merrick Garland nor Letitia James. A jury convicted trump. A jury who heard the charges, listened to the evidence and made a decision based on that evidence to convict him.

It wasn't the democrats who chose to settle all of those lawsuits. It was trump who settled those suits because he knew he couldn't win those lawsuits.

It wasn't "the democrats" who found trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carol. Once again it was a jury who heard all of the evidence.

Once again you brought up a host of issues that had nothing to do with this topic. You blamed the democrats for the decision of juries and settlements trump agreed to.

Sadly you can't see that what you have chosen to believe are the lies that spew from trump's face on a daily basis that proves he's a habitual liar. Yet you blame everyone else for it and pretend they are the evil ones.


How is that working out for you? I think the question you should be asking yourself is why do you believe anything trump tells you?

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that the U.S. has seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela amid mounting tensions with the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-12-10-2025

I understood what you said, I'm saying if we're so worried about drugs coming into this country, addressing the demand would probably be a more effective solution.

So I take that to mean you believe there should be consequences for leveraging government assets to attack political opponents purely for political and personal reasons?

The Steele dossier was an illegal document and those behind that document should have been thrown in jail. That dossier and those that conspired to use it to destroy a political foe are the true criminals. I do not believe 99% of the crap the left has thrown up against Trump. Why would I believe anything from a party that is so confused they allowe men in women's restroom/locker rooms. They advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies. Sick! demented! Evil! Why should I believe there is any good in that side? Why would I believe anything they say against our current President? Most of the powerful left are made up of pedophiles that want to make hard working American citizens peasants. No thanks.

Still avoided every point I brought up during this thread. I can't say I blame you. What actual choice did you have?

There is a very long list of who could be better Presidents than Joe Biden was. That list may even include Jimmy Carter and I never thought anyone would have been worse than him.