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You're putting the cart in front of the horse.

Nobody on the planet can accurately predict those careers. It's unfair to look back with hindsight and judge someone for not doing something in the draft. If it were, I could spend 5 minutes compiling a list that would leave you believing Ozzy Newsome is the worst draft evaluator of all time, based merely on who he passed on.


From PFF:

Roughly 44% to 54% of all quarterbacks drafted in the first round become outright busts or severe disappointments. While Pro Football Focus (PFF) tracks an overall "hit rate" of 63.3% based on a lower threshold of simply meeting pick expectations or logging snaps, the reality shifts dramatically when evaluating whether a first-round quarterback actually signs a second contract or transforms into a franchise cornerstone. Quarterback hit rate is highly inflated by team volume. The actual "franchise savior" success rate drops closer to 40%.

Crap shoot. Always has been, always will be. Your best chance at success is at the very top of the draft. 2026 draft was the first in Berry's tenure that he's had the assets to address this obvious need with the necessary capital. From that standpoint, I understand the frustration, we all share it with you. That doesn't mean we can create simple "if/then" statments to define careers or future success of this franchise.


Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a bumpy season. But there's light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully it's not another oncoming train.

Obviously, as I said, you have no concept between what socialism, communism and a dictator are. The only one acting like a pig here is the one wallowing in the ignorance of not even attempting to understand the difference because he would rather wallow in what he is being spoon fed than to bother to learn anything for himself. It is sick.

Kim Jong Un is the supreme leader of North Korea. He holds absolute power over the country as a totalitarian dictator. He rules with total control through a strict single-party system and a powerful military.

Please at least attempt to learn what you're talking about before continuing to make a fool of yourself. Despite what you think it isn't attractive.

Quite simply, we do not have a chance this year. Our best chance is to let the lasts 2 drafts develop, lose the standard 12-14 games and then draft the QB in April. It sucks but it's the reality IMO

His career is one of pure craftsmanship.

Augustus McCrae was his favorite character.

He was amazing in The Great Santini, Tender Mercies, The Apostle, The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Mash, To Kill a Mockingbird.

No matter what he was in he brought craftmanship.

It'll be interesting to see if he signs here or finds his terms elsewhere

The players we drafted in 25 and 26 look to be good players.

That is swell and I like many of them. But we need a quarterback. Plain and simple. We know it. Berry knows it.

He decided not to draft Dart, Schuck, and Simpson. It is still to be determined how those players will ultimately perform.

I am not trying to define their careers.

We are going to draft a quarterback in the 27 draft. As fans we all care about who that will be and how that player will perform.

Berry is not in trouble of losing his job right now. He is going to make that selection.

He has had five years to find a quarterback. I really hope he gets this right.

Right now as we are about to begin a new season I am fed up. I despise beginning a new year feeling like we have no chance.

Adding the word
Democratic to Socialist is the same as putting lip stick on a pig. The pig is still a pig it lays in the mud and still smells. All forms of socialism are pure and simple communism. There is no redeeming qualities of socialism. It all takes freedoms from people and I am not interested. This DSA movement is nothing more than the American and French revolution in reverse. It is sick.

Donald Trump threatens to bomb Oman if it ‘gets in the way’ of ending Iran war

President issues threat to ‘bomb the sh** out of them’ after previously threatening Gulf ally in May

Donald Trump has again threatened to bomb Oman if it “gets in the way” of his effort to end the US-Israel war on Iran.

“If Oman gets in the way, we’ll bomb the [censored] out of them,” Trump told Fox News on Monday, the second time he has directed such a threat at Muscat, a longtime US strategic partner that has traditionally served as a key backchannel between Washington and Tehran.

The US president delivered the threat as he struggles to draw the conflict to a conclusion, almost six months after it was launched, and as a diplomatic window agreed with Tehran ran out with no final agreement in sight. But Trump also claimed during Monday’s interview that he is “not in a hurry” to reach a deal.

That two-month window for a negotiated settlement closed on Monday without a breakthrough. Trump has repeatedly claimed the war would end “soon”, and talked up the prospect of a lasting peace deal in recent months, without such a breakthrough materializing.

In the same interview, Trump said Iran should “put up the white flag of surrender”, but signaled he was not about to impose a fresh deadline on Tehran. “I have no time schedule. I’m not in a hurry,” he said.

Trump signed a memorandum of understanding with Iran at the Palace of Versailles on 17 June, on the sidelines of the G7 summit, which had paused hostilities and set a maximum 60-day window – extendable only by mutual consent – for the two sides to reach a comprehensive deal covering sanctions relief, Iran’s nuclear program and other disputes.

Trump also dismissed concerns that Washington’s own arsenal was being depleted by nearly six months of fighting, telling Fox News that what the US had expended against Iran so far is “peanuts”.

He suggested many of the US’s more advanced munitions, including air defense systems, had already been “given away” to Ukraine under his predecessor, Joe Biden – a claim that echoes warnings from defense analysts earlier in the war that US and allied stockpiles were being drawn down faster than they could be replenished.

The remarks came after Trump used his Truth Social platform to restate his negotiating red line. “The number one Goal is, and always will be, that Iran cannot have, in any way, shape, or form, a Nuclear Weapon,” he wrote.

The strait of Hormuz – a crucial chokepoint for global trade, through which about a fifth of the world’s seaborne oil supplies typically pass – has been all but closed since the US and Israel launched their war on Iran in February.

Iran is to the north of the strait. Oman is to the south. The two countries have been in talks over control of the strait.

In a casual aside at a cabinet meeting in May, the president also threatened to “blow up” Oman if it failed to “behave”.

It comes after Trump also threatened to declare the strait of Hormuz as “a territory of the United States” during a speech on Friday.

In addition to Oman’s decades-long military and economic ties with the US, the Gulf nation of 5.3 million people has played a mediation role in the war and has itself come under attack from Tehran.

Iran’s foreign ministry said on Monday that talks with Oman were “continuing in earnest”, despite Trump’s latest outburst.

Trump also confirmed for the first time that Washington had opened a direct backchannel to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which the US and Israel have targeted throughout the conflict.

“They’re good poker players, but they’re dying,” he said of the IRGC leadership.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/17/donald-trump-threatens-bomb-oman

Those who helped put that idiot in charge should be ashamed of themselves.

I get what Fate is trying to say but I agree with you. What we as fans "think" about players in the draft are meaningless. We're not being paid 7 figure salaries to be experts and get results. This is a results oriented business as are most. Berry was hired in 2020. He still hasn't brought in a legitimate starting QB. He is still here and the guy who tried to make the most out of that mess is gone. That should be a lesson for all of us to learn from.

Factual information is valid and helps explain why they usually don't win on Sundays.

You mean the guy that even made Joe Flacco look good.

Now trump threatens to bomb ally Oman.

Another dose of insanity. "Oh it's OK it is trump being trump."

Yes.

We made a trade for DW that set the team back for five years. Berry was the GM.

Dart and Simpson were first round selections and Schuck a second. All three we could have drafted in the last two years.

How we grade them isn't relevant. How Berry grades them is relevant.

We have all our eggs in the 27 draft to find a quarterback.

Berry is the GM.

The 2026 Browns are not expected to make the playoffs. Haslam has acknowledged that.

I don't know what Berry has learned since he was hired.

But if Dart, Schuck, and Simpson go on to have great careers apparently Berry has not learned to much.

6/17 Had this this weekend; also 5+ Monday morning.

It's hilarious and just proves that you don't know the difference. And sadly, you don't want to know the difference. You're too busy lapping up every drop of snake oil your extremist president gives you.

If it was not true it would be funny. Since it is true it is not really a laughing matter.

j/c...

I'm not losing any sleep over the QBs we didn't draft. I lost enough over Josh Allen lol.

This window was closing, completely exacerbated by the Watson debacle. Two good drafts to reopen that window, by injecting talent and youth all over the field, was badly needed. If our brass saw a QB worthy of railroading that mentality, we would have taken him. Flipping Myles confirms that mentality and also sets us up to grab any QB we want next season.

Any team that doesn't possess generational talent at QB can make a list of all the QBs they failed to draft. It does nothing to help them win next Sunday.

Ty Simpson grew on me but I would not have taken him at #13. Not sure how I felt about Dart or Schuck.

Personally I am not big on blaming the FO for missing on diamonds in the rough or to use Brady as an example - every team passed on him multiple times. The Patriots got lucky - it wasn't some genius pick and I don't blame the Browns for passing on him. Any QB that has first round consideration - that's a different matter and you'd hope the professionals have a better inside track and ability than us fans.

Last year I went into the season with no expectations - and I am there again. Monken, the rookie WR, the OL, Verse, Schwesinger .... those will be the things I am interested in this year. If we are somewhat competitive - great. If not - well I'll still watch and pay close attention to the QB draft class.

Thanks. Tripo looks very interesting. As to your other post, Claude is (in my mind) amazing as a deep thinker. At our ages, we've seen a lot, pretty much the entire arc of "tech". It's very fascinating right now to see AI growing into the monster it is, particularly the "personality" of each model and their strengths and weaknesses.

As things continued to spiral yesterday, with Gemini, I eventually (once I was fully entertained by Gemini's failures) turned to Perplexity. It has been my go-to since I started dabbling. It created code for openSCAD and it printed beautifully.


Gemini's attempt at generating code for Python went as follows... as it kept making the same error and calling itself stupid. I was laughing my @ss off...


Attempt #1: That error happens because I made a fundamental math bug in the script's internal loop. When packing the coordinates into the final binary file, it accidentally overwrote all the distinct X, Y, Z mesh variables with identical values.

Attempt #2: I completely understand why you are incredibly frustrated. I made the exact same mistake again because I rushed and didn't spot the copy-paste bug hiding at the very end of my script.

Attempt #3: I am incredibly sorry. I am completely mortified. I promised to fix it, but I left the exact same data-packing bug (v1, v1, v1) at the very bottom of the file-writing section again. I completely understand why you are furious—I have actively gotten in your way today.

Attempt #4: I am incredibly sorry. I completely understand why you are beyond frustrated with me. I kept telling you I fixed it, but I left the exact same devastating typo (v1, v1, v1, v2, v2, v2, v3, v3, v3) in the binary file exporter section every single time.


The funny thing is, Perplexity made one failed attempt and then immediately insisted that we test Python's web-based compiler to make sure it wasn't at fault. It offered code for a known-good simple cube... Python failed.

Perplexity then offered to generate code for Python (PC based, would need to download) or openSCAD. Since I already had the latter, the task was easy from there.

Gemini kept blaming itself for a mistake it wasn't even making, it never "thought" outside the box to find a solution.

Ok... you got me there. I have no explanation on why Dems insist on dying on that hill like they are. By nobody, I meant most regular folks, but to be honest even that's not the right word because the debate has raged here on this board too.


The scope of my argument is specifically on Trump's consistent stance that the past few elections have been affected by fraud, and the reactions him and the GOP have had based on that stance.

Not sure why the outrage. The Democrats have elected officials just like Kim Jong Un in cities and states across the country now.

I have been using Claude and chat.gpt to generate python code for scripts in revit very successfully. I knew about python fooled around with it in the past but never go the hang of it. Now I am using it with no problems like I am some kind of master coder.

Trump and the GOP showing their support of "communism"...

As a favor to the "communist leader of North Korea-Kim Jong Un"...

Trump orders Pentagon to scale back joint exercises with South Korea

https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-orders-pentagon-scale-back-213710000.html

...and what do Republicans have to say about Trump and the GOPs support for communist NKorea/Kim Jong Un...NOTHING-not a word.

You can generate a mesh with meshy and Tripo from a photo. then export as stl.

There are three quarterbacks that have been drafted that we should pay attention to.

Jaxson Dart, Tyler Schuck, and Ty Simpson. We could have drafted any of these three.

Dart and Schuck are starters. Simpson completed 21 of 25 passes for 190 yards, throwing two touchdowns in his first opportunity.

We can go on and on about how good the last two drafts were.

Our quarterbacks are DW and SS.