Re: Trump, hoping to salvage midterms, makes a dubious pledge to give every US adult $5,000 if GOP wins
PitDAWG
09/12/26 02:31 PM
At no time in our nation's history has a sitting president ever offered a cash reward directly for votes.
You try and conflate things as though they are the same and they are most certainly not.
I'll give you one example you mentioned. Student loan debt. We have students leaving college with tens of thousand if not over 100k in student loan debt. It's perfectly legal to file bankruptcy on your debts but not student loan debt. It's a caveat created strictly for young people starting out in life. It prevents them from buying a home and starting a family. To forgive those loans helps increase home sales and births.
It isn't some, "Hey, vote for me and I'll send you a check" scheme.
It puts student loan debts on equal footing with any other debt that you can legally wipe out with bankruptcy.
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Re: Trump, hoping to salvage midterms, makes a dubious pledge to give every US adult $5,000 if GOP wins
Bull_Dawg
09/12/26 02:16 PM
Let's ignore how immoral it is to offer voters $5k to vote you into office. Good god. I can't even imagine your reaction if this had been a Biden/Harris pledge back in 2024 - but now because it's Trump you accept the bribery and corruption as if it's standard operating procedure in America. And if you think Trump would come through .... read the article I posted above and the other 15 times Trump promised a check, rebate or dividend and NEVER came thru .... or maybe that's an inconvinient truth that you'll choose to not pay attention to. It was basically an Andrew Yang pledge back in 2020. "Freedom dividends" were a big part of his campaign. Yes, Trump is trying to "buy" votes in close to its barest and most straightforward form. But it's not really anything new. Yes, I find it awful, and a big part of that is because its him and I want nothing to do with him continuing to be in office. Yet, free college/loan forgiveness is ultimately more or less the same thing, as is campaigning on tax cuts, so acting like offering people things if they win an election hasn't been "standard operating procedure" is a bit disingenuous. Trump is just not even trying to make it sound better. Unfortunately, he's not offering the cash up front for the vote which would be illegal. Since the "pledge" is to every American regardless of whom they voted for it is most likely "legal." Can he actually do it? Maybe. Would it probably cause bad inflation if he could? Probably. Would Trump do more damaging things if he has control of both houses? Almost definitely. Still I find the trying to whitewash how the system has worked aggravating.
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Re: Post office complicit in plans to deny millions of mail in ballots
PitDAWG
09/12/26 01:49 PM
Why do you insist on calling everything posed to help all Americans communism?
What do you call a president offering to "give" all American adults $5000 if his party wins but only if his party wins?
Maybe you should take a long look in your own back yard before telling your neighbors to cut their grass.
And as per usual you avoid the point. Republicans want control over the elections. That's one party. They want control to say who can and who can't vote while at the same time offering a cash reward if they win. Can't you see what's really going on here?
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Re: Trump, hoping to salvage midterms, makes a dubious pledge to give every US adult $5,000 if GOP wins
mgh888
09/12/26 10:52 AM
Issuing a $5,000 check to roughly 245 million adult U.S. citizens carries a price tag of $1.2 trillion to $1.3 trillion. For context, that is nearly equal to the entire annual discretionary budget of the federal government.
So don't count the money till it hits your hand. Don't worry your math will never be challenged. It's a lot no doubt, though it probably won't happen. The Dems are probably going to gain at least one house. I also doubt it would be every adult in the country. I am sure there would have to be some sort of qualifier attached. I wouldn't want it to be a very high bar to meet, but wouldn't want people walking down the street handing checks to every crackhead sleeping on the sidewalks. It would probably be cheaper in the long run over Medicare for all, free tuition, so on and so forth. Let's ignore how immoral it is to offer voters $5k to vote you into office. Good god. I can't even imagine your reaction if this had been a Biden/Harris pledge back in 2024 - but now because it's Trump you accept the bribery and corruption as if it's standard operating procedure in America. And if you think Trump would come through .... read the article I posted above and the other 15 times Trump promised a check, rebate or dividend and NEVER came thru .... or maybe that's an inconvinient truth that you'll choose to not pay attention to.
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Re: Trump, hoping to salvage midterms, makes a dubious pledge to give every US adult $5,000 if GOP wins
Ballpeen
09/12/26 09:50 AM
Issuing a $5,000 check to roughly 245 million adult U.S. citizens carries a price tag of $1.2 trillion to $1.3 trillion. For context, that is nearly equal to the entire annual discretionary budget of the federal government.
So don't count the money till it hits your hand. Don't worry your math will never be challenged. It's a lot no doubt, though it probably won't happen. The Dems are probably going to gain at least one house. I also doubt it would be every adult in the country. I am sure there would have to be some sort of qualifier attached. I wouldn't want it to be a very high bar to meet, but wouldn't want people walking down the street handing checks to every crackhead sleeping on the sidewalks. It would probably be cheaper in the long run over Medicare for all, free tuition, so on and so forth.
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Re: Post office complicit in plans to deny millions of mail in ballots
Ballpeen
09/12/26 09:41 AM
We get it. You want only one party, the one who has brought false charges they had to drop against their political opponents, who have brought charges they couldn't even get indictments on and who have targeted dozens of people, universities, democratic lawmakers, Past Administration Officials & Intelligence Figures all totaling in the dozens to be in charge of investigating and being honest to the American people in their findings.
Some people never learn. I don't want one party. I just don't want a party who opens the door to communists. I do see a bit of hope as the DEM leaders are trying to back off the communist agenda as they see it is starting to devour them. I hope it isn't too late. Most times it's harder to undo what has been done.
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Re: Random NFL News
Ballpeen
09/12/26 09:14 AM
Much depends on the coach. Some don't want the QB to make tackles. I suppose those on the board who don't want a QB who won't tackle also don't want those who run out of bounds or those who slide rather than try for every yard possible. Every yard counts, right?
Maybe we should work the QB's on the sled for a portion of practice, maybe run a few Oklahoma drills.
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward
mgh888
09/12/26 07:40 AM
We hit 2 Iranian oil tankers this morning. Somebody made a 275 million dollar bet yesterday that oil prices were going to go up Corruption at it's finest ... but the MAGA fanboys are more worried about a ficticisous narrative about voting .... and then of course, no-one has mentioned the Epstein Files and how up to half of the documents that were ordered/supposed to be released are still unreleased. MURICA ! FREEDUMB !!
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
mgh888
09/12/26 07:37 AM
2020 was a stolen election plain and simple. We all watched and Trump was leading and ballots were found, dumped, etc... after 2am in a few very key areas. I do not believe in coincidence, but I believe the election was stolen there was tactics used to cheat. I will never agree with early voting, mail in ballots that is not absentee, people not registered by a certain date being illegible. Allowing voting with no ID, ETC.... Nothing in your post is true or factual.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
Day of the Dawg
09/12/26 02:06 AM
2020 was a stolen election plain and simple. We all watched and Trump was leading and ballots were found, dumped, etc... after 2am in a few very key areas. I do not believe in coincidence, but I believe the election was stolen there was tactics used to cheat. I will never agree with early voting, mail in ballots that is not absentee, people not registered by a certain date being illegible. Allowing voting with no ID, ETC....
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