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Really.

The NFL has a proven history of failure evaluating quarterbacks.

Fact.

The fact you even believe that is almost mind numbing. Then why is it that none of these self appointed experts never land a job in the NFL? Think man, think.

Once again, Drew Brees was drafted as the last pick of the first round. Not in the fifth round.

Yet when all of those NFL FOs get fired, none of these guys ever get hired. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why? I can think of only one time one of them was hired. Mike Mayock by the Oakland Raiders. He was fired after multiple draft misses in trying to rebuild the team given a huge amount of draft capital.

You isolated a single game to try and boost Sanders above Campbell. Try looking at their body of their work and the strength of schedule to see just how absurd that is. He has had as many int's as he has had what you call "explosive plays". I think you're using that term quite loosely. Nothing you have shown indicates those "supposed experts were right".

It's certainly true that the jury is still out on these QB's. But Tom Bray and Brock Purty are each once in a generation type rare late round finds. If you're saying it isn't "impossible" to catch lightening in a bottle you are right. To suggest the odds of that happening being more than 1 in 1000 you would be wrong.

I'll take the word of the actual experts. Those in the NFL instead of the type of people who tell me what they would do if they had to the skill set to actually land such a job. The odds are overwhelmingly in my favor. But hey, you do you.

NFL teams are not any better than analysts.

Both are right and wrong. The evaluation of college quarterbacks is extremely hard.

History has proven that. The examples are all over the place.

Tom Brady. Jamarcus Russell. Drew Brees. Vince Young. The hits and misses are endless.

Those FO's get fired often for wrong choices so I will take the experts who have no interest in being a GM. Kurt Warner, Shaun King, Mel Kiper, Zac Jackson, Quincy Carrier, etc.... Again, I did not want Sanders in the 1st or 2nd round last year. Why? I did not want the Browns to deal with yet another player that had baggage. I think the experts were fairly spot on his strengths and weaknesses except he is more athletic, and his arm is stronger than they gave him credit for. You had to watch the Tennessee game. Who would you have rather had on your team as QB Cam Ward or Sanders? Since Sanders has started as QB the explosive plays started happening again in Cleveland. Besides 1 long Judkins run the last explosive plays were with Winston at QB. That does not make him a franchise QB, but it shows the experts were correct in their evaluations of him. With that said is Cam Ward a franchise QB. Is Jaxson Dart? I think the jury is out on all of them.

Analyists are often wrong. Far more often than NFL FO's are, which are wrong a lot too. If they weren't they would have a job in the NFL. That's what happened or would you like to see the track record of Mel Kiper?

If Sanders were an actual first or even second round prospect by NFL standards he would have been a first or second round draft pick. No NFL team is going to pass up a potential franchise QB if they believe he can be a franchise QB. If anything, as we can see by every player ranking system across the country, QB's are over drafted because of the need and importance of their position leaving far more talented football players on the board.

Most of time the answer to a question is the simplest, most logical explanation and isn't any more complicated than that.

You have to ask yourself, are NFL FO's a better judge of talent and worth in the draft or are self appointed, supposed experts who can't get a job in an NFL FO a better judge of that talent? That's how simple this is.

I had those exact QB’s in mind. Sellers from South Carolina too and we still don’t know about Moore yet.

I agree with that assessment. I think Manning, Sayin, and Riola will be a great class.

Most likely if Shedeur had a top 5 O-Line and better WR's especially a deep threat guy he would be showing us more. It's early but it's starting to look like the "27 QB class might be better than the "26 group. Again, it's early and we will have to see.

I agree with this as well as everything before it in your post. I think the biggest "improvement" from pre-draft is his coachability. You can see where he's trying to correct his weaknesses.

I'd actually be fine with us taking a similar approach to QB as last year. Hold off and either target a guy later on and/or watch for someone to fall and go for a value pick.

nice week arch

I am not going to disagree.

I see a maybe. He has done some things I like and other things I dislike.

But, again you really have to consider the full picture. It is far from an ideal situation.

The offense no matter who has played has been bad. Hard to expect much in the last seven games to change that. The reasons are clear.

The team has 6 wins in two years. The weapons are not there. The OL, the run game, the receivers.

Shedeur is a rookie he is not going to lift this team and carry them. So I look at what can he build upon and where is his ceiling?

At seasons end we will know more but not enough. The Browns though should know. They have had him in the building since he was drafted.

I don't know what they will do.

For all the years I have followed the Browns the only player they drafted that I really wanted was JOK.

So I am not holding out much hope.

I just read that Joe Thomas believes Shedeur could be our franchise guy.

I cannot say that yet.

I believe that Shedeur was a late first early second round prospect. That is where most analyst had him listed.

He is just under 6'2 which was a knock because most franchise QBs are 6'2 or taller.

He was seen as not being elite athletically and not having a strong arm. Add to that his dad's and his words leading up to the draft coupled with some poor interviews and he became untouchable. I know I did not want the Browns to draft him.

Going all the way back to the spring rookie mini camps and Zach Jackson said right away his arm looked much better than what analysts projected. Jackson who 1 year earlier during the Browns training camp kept saying Watson is not looking good in practice said right away that Sanders arm and the way the ball comes off looks much stronger than Gabriel's. Then during training camp, he said Flacco looked far and away the most impressive throwing the ball and Sander's arm looked to him as the next best arm in camp.

What has he shown us in 4 games? He is not an elite athlete, but he is more athletic than expected. His arm is not elite but much better than expected. He likes to push the ball down the field and has shown very good accuracy and has shown good signs of being coachable. He has improved his stepping up in the pocket and throwing balls away. He has shown the ability to beat man to man defense with his arm and accuracy. His weaknesses is vs zone. Not taking what the defense is given him and holding the ball too long waiting on a big play to develop. He also does not read zone blitz schemes well with 3 of his int's coming with defenders falling back in coverage to make the pick.

He is playing like a late 1st early 2nd round pick.

Maybe Mateer is a guy we might draft in the 2nd or 3rd round if we like him.

Shedeur?

His story is different. Before the draft many analysts had him as a first rounder.

I don't know the whole story. Maybe he turned teams off for any number of reasons. In the end he was passed over.

I over that draft and see him as he is now. Comparing him to the top three. Like I said I don't see a big gap.

I cannot say I am overboard on any of them.

The guy I like is John Mateer. I see real potential in him. He is a more dynamic athlete than the four guys mentioned. Faster. Better arm. Better runner. Super tough hard nosed player who teammates worship. He played most of this year hurt. Had a broken thumb on his throwing hand and came back after surgery in two weeks. His numbers suffered.

I don't care what others think of him or where he gets drafted.

I think he will be really good.

We'll see if the NFL does. Every NFL team passed on Sanders four times and some of them five times. Just something for you to consider. I'm willing to wager that none of these three QB's will be left on the draft board going into round five in the draft. I'll bet none of the three are left on the board going into round 4. Which would mean I'm willing to wager that the NFL sees them as being better prospects than they did Sanders.

I don't get all of this Sanders love based on one good game and three stinkers. Maybe it's that Browns fans are so desperate for a QB that just a flash in the pan in one game is enough to make them go crazy for a QB. I have no idea.

Both Mahomes and Lamar were first round picks. 10th and 32.

Both of them had parts of their game that were elite. Mahomes like Allen were guys that needed work. Both forced throws and turned it over. They both had elite arms and mobility. They were developed by their teams.

Lamar of course had elite movement but needed lots of work on throwing.

I am not passing judgement yet. Just observations.

When I watch the top three in this coming class and compare them to Shedeur. I don't see a big gap in talent.

Is lying hereditary? The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.......

Most people didn't see Mahomes as being Mahomes until he became Mahomes. Mitchell Trubisky was drafted as the top QB prospect at #2. Mahomes wasn't drafted until #12 and watson at #14.

It too was considered a weak QB class and there were holes and question marks in all of those QB's drafted.

I have no idea whether there is a Mahomes type QB in this draft. I have no idea if it will end up being Mendoza if there is one. But in reality I don't think anyone else does either until it all plays out.

I always kinda got the feeling Burrow was a guy that played football because he was really really good at it. Being in Cinci, I see him play/talk a LOT.

I finished the second season of Quarterback on Netflix not long ago, and Burrow was the LEAST impressive of the bunch (Goff, Cousins, Burrow, and I think someone else that I'm forgetting).

I just hope we don't reach for a QB. After Mendoza there really isn't anyone that stands out. This QB class was predicted to be good and deep but it's kind of shaping up to be like last year. I know we need a QB badly the contending teams all have a very good one so that tells the story. I'm torn between sticking it out with the 3 guys we have now for next season and drafting for our OL and WR groups or drafting a QB high with our 1st #1. Unless we get the #1 pick Mendoza will most certainly be gone. I would hate to reach for a guy we really aren't excited about. Maybe we could get one in the 2nd round that was once predicted to be a solid 1st rounder but had an off year. Lots of scenarios to contemplate. Maybe we can find our Jaxson Dart in April.

How are we "under attack" from Venezuela?


Other than an attack by a single ISIS terrorist in Syria, exactly how is America "under attack"?

Oh that's right, trump designated Fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction. Sadly for those who believe everything he tells you, Fentanyl isn't a WMD and it isn't coming from Venezuela.

Arch is returning to school. Sellers is also returning.

Moore has not yet decided. It sounds like Simpson is entering the draft.

So, Mendoza, Moore, Simpson will most likely be first round selections.

My question is are any of them all that different from Shedeur?

None IMO look elite. All have qualities. None jump off the screen.

I don't see a Josh Allen, Mahomes, Stafford, Herbert.

I see them more in the league of Jared Goff. That can be good enough but not elite.

I am beginning to think the Browns may run with Shedeur.

They knew who he was when they voted for him this time and did it anyway. It's what they wanted.