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Re: The Dems... again FATE 04/19/26 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
"You never know what to believe."

I get it. English is hard....

You ain't just whistlin' dixie! (disclaimer: I'm not accusing you of actually whistling)

I've spent two days trying to explain the meaning of the word IF!


Please explain the nuances on how the word "if" may work when using it in a sentence paragraph or conversation...


While "if" is primarily known for setting conditions, its nuances in everyday conversation and writing range from polite interruptions to expressing certainty or even admitting facts.

1. The Core Conditional (Real vs. Unreal)
The most common use of "if" is to link a condition to a result. The nuance changes depending on how realistic the situation is:

Likely Situations: "If it rains, we will stay home." This implies the event is a real possibility.
Unlikely/Imaginary Situations: "If I won the lottery, I would buy a house." Using the past tense ("won") signals that the situation is currently unreal or improbable.
Past Regrets: "If I had studied harder, I would have passed." This imagines a different past that is now impossible.

2. Conversational Politeness and "Speech Act" Conditionals
In conversation, "if" often functions as a social softener or a way to offer information without making assumptions:

Polite Interruption: "If I could just make a small point..." This acts as a respectful way to enter a conversation.
The "Speech Act" Nuance: "I have lemonade if you want some." Logically, the lemonade exists whether you want it or not. Here, "if" conditions the relevance of the statement, not its truth. It’s a shorthand for "I’m telling you this in case it’s useful to you".

Polite Requests: "I wonder if you'd be kind enough to help?" This softens a direct request into a more tentative inquiry.

3. "If" vs. "Whether" (Indirect Questions)
When "if" is used to report a "yes/no" question, it can often be replaced by "whether":

Interchangeable: "He asked if I was coming" means the same as "He asked whether I was coming".
Nuance of Choice: "Whether" is often preferred in formal writing or when emphasizing two distinct alternatives (e.g., "I don't know whether to stay or go").

4. Rhetorical and Emphatic Uses
"If" can also be used to emphasize a point or admit a minor fact:

Concession: "It was a successful, if exhausting, day." Here, "if" means "even though" or "although," admitting a secondary fact that doesn't change the main point.
Surprise/Annoyance: "Well, if that isn’t the most ridiculous thing!" This uses "if" to introduce an exclamation rather than a condition.
"If Anything": Used to suggest the opposite of what was just said is actually true. "It hasn't been a bad year; if anything, it's been our best yet".

5. "If" vs. "When"
A subtle but critical nuance is the shift in certainty. Using "if" introduces doubt, while "when" implies the event is guaranteed to happen:

"If I get a promotion..." (It might not happen).
"When I get a promotion..." (I am certain it will happen).



Let me know if when you still need help!
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Re: The Dems... again Day of the Dawg 04/19/26 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Ah, now I'm lying.

Well, after trying to explain to you 18 times that I'm generally not in favor of "socialism for farmers" (as you call it), we can move on... since you think I'm lying.

Next time just call me a liar. It would be a lot easier than all this back and forth.

It amazes me how people with freedom openly supports government control of their freedoms. Simply amazing!!!
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Re: Iran War II Day of the Dawg 04/19/26 11:20 PM
Pit I understand you are openly rooting for Iran in this war but understand what you are rooting for here. There is a video out there about some of the people Iran are executing daily for protesting their tyrannical government and they are you 18-year-old girls. These same Iranian Leaders you're cheering for that is sentencing these young girls to be gang raped before they are executed because in their religion if a female is a virgin they go to heaven but if they are not, they go to hell. But you have already shown your true colors cheering for Hamas for multiple years and now you're a fan of Iran. Sad that we have people in the US openly supporting these people, but you keep it up!!!
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence dawg66 04/19/26 10:35 PM
Don't really understand the Bengals thinking on this. They wouldn't pay Hendrickson big money but are willing to pay Lawrence big money when a pass rusher is more of a priority position than DT and they would still have had the #10 pick to address other defensive needs such as LB or S.
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence FATE 04/19/26 10:19 PM
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Re: Cavs/NBA 2.0 PREACHER1 04/19/26 08:34 PM
CELTICS BY 32 ... #19 COMING SOON
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence PREACHER1 04/19/26 08:31 PM
He will definatly help the Bengals run D, but he won't be protecting Joe Burrow So giving up #10 will not help the one thing Joe Burrow Needs to stay on the field.
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 04/19/26 07:50 PM
I understand. trump tells a blatant lie about the results or causes for this war, take your pick, and you ignore it like the plague. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who gets what's going on here. I'm just curious, which story did trump tell you that made you convinced Iran was on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon? The first one or the second one? rofl
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Re: Iran War II FATE 04/19/26 07:45 PM
I'm not your puppet, dude. I know you think I am, I'm not. I'll address what ever I want and ignore whatever I want... from now till Armageddon. Write it down somewhere and have your wife start feeding it to you for breakfast.
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 04/19/26 07:45 PM
Iran war live updates: Iran rejects second round of talks with US

24 minutes ago

Iran has rejected a second round of talks with the United States in Pakistan, state media is reporting.

That comes after US President Donald Trump earlier announced he was sending a delegation to Pakistan for renewed negotiations with Tehran.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04...lockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

Trump; "They're begging for a deal."
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 04/19/26 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I won't bother arguing about it though. It's mostly futile. It baffles me that we can talk about the possibility of Iran having a nuke and many people think (me included) that would be the direst situation, read: threat to humanity by humans, that this planet has ever faced... others think it's a nothingburger. There's not really much reason for those people to try to talk it out.

All while refusing to address this..............

Initial strikes on Iran's nuclear capabilities was launched in June of 2025. Here s what trump said about the effectiveness of those strikes.....

During a NATO summit in June 2025, Trump stated that strikes on Iranian nuclear sites (such as Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan) were a "total obliteration," setting the program back "decades" and making it very difficult for Iran to rebuild.......................

In March of 2026, President Donald Trump stated that Iran was "two weeks away" from possessing a nuclear weapon, which he cited as the justification for U.S. military action against the country.

Now one of those things has to be a lie. Both of those statements can't possibly be true. So he was either lying back in June of 2025 or he was lying as his reasoning for starting this war.

The inability to trust anything that comes out of his mouth both by the American people, at least by those willing to pay attention, as well as the rest of the globe places everything about this war in question.

And let me remind you that Benjamin Netanyahu has a well-documented history of warning that Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon, with predictions of an "imminent" threat often cited as months away dating back to the early 1990s.
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Re: Iran War II FATE 04/19/26 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
If Iran makes a nuclear weapon what would they do with it?

Try to use against Israel? Really? Then what?

If Iran tried or even succeeded their country would be completely destroyed.

C'mon bro. Someone trying to nuke someone, especially in the Middle East, falls on your list of "no biggie, nothing to see here"?
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Re: Iran War II FATE 04/19/26 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by northlima dawg
to have a clue going into this that the leverage the Iranians were going to pull closing the Strait. I can not for a second believe that our military planners didn't tell them that they would pull this card.

Bar far the biggest strategic mistake.
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Re: Iran War II FATE 04/19/26 07:39 PM
Good post, Oober. I agree with a lot of what you posted. I think some of it is a little overboard, I mean, I'm not sure we could target a mosquito in the region without it affecting the world oil market so it's silly to think we didn't see that coming.

I was speaking specifically to his statement "That whole thing in Iran has been bungled from the start." Meaning, mission has started, for whatever reason you have decided, everything from that point forward. I was hoping he would respond but knew that probably wouldn't happen before everyone else did. I don't not agree with Daman, but I'm not sure I ever have. If he saw a headline that says Trump eats babies, he would 100% believe that and repeat it without reading another word.

I just think, whether war or football, it's always easy to armchair it after the fact. I see the necessity of dealing with this bully a lot differently than most here, I'm basically sitting shotgun with 'Peen in that respect.

I won't bother arguing about it though. It's mostly futile. It baffles me that we can talk about the possibility of Iran having a nuke and many people think (me included) that would be the direst situation, read: threat to humanity by humans, that this planet has ever faced... others think it's a nothingburger. There's not really much reason for those people to try to talk it out.
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 04/19/26 06:03 PM
trump said " Iran can’t blackmail us." by blocking the Strait of Hormuz.

Meanwhile trump blocks all of their ports and threatens to destroy all of their infrastructure if Iran doesn't accept the terms of the deal being offered by the US.

It appears that in trumplandia blackmail is a one way street all flowing in trump's direction.
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence PitDAWG 04/19/26 05:55 PM
#draftgurus
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence FORTBROWNFAN 04/19/26 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by FORTBROWNFAN
Saw this last night. Also read the Browns were offering pick 39 for him.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-giants-first-round-draft-pick-takeaways


Looks like those grades prove the media pundits are right on it.
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Re: Iran War II bonefish 04/19/26 05:41 PM
If Iran makes a nuclear weapon what would they do with it?

Try to use against Israel? Really? Then what?

If Iran tried or even succeeded their country would be completely destroyed.

WMD's lead to self mass destruction.

Iran cannot do a damn thing and we went into this because Netanyahu conned trump.

I guess we should take over Venezuela, Greenland, and Cuba just for something to do.

Lets name the Atlantic and Pacific ocean "trump's grand ocean." We can then take the South off South America and just call it

North America South. Sounds catchy.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 04/19/26 05:27 PM
It's getting to the point that some MAGA's don't even trust what trump tells them, or refuses to tell them as the case may be......

Marjorie Taylor Greene Joins List Of People Questioning The Assassination Attempt On Trump

Several MAGA supporters are starting to promote conspiracy theories about the July 2024 assassination attempt.

Marjorie Taylor Greene is questioning the details of the assassination attempt against President Donald Trump, saying he, “of all people,” should be “leading the charge” to find out “the truth” about the shooting.

The former congresswoman reposted a social media post on Saturday from Trisha Hope, a self-described “J6 activist,” who wrote that the details surrounding the July 2024 assassination attempt at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, including the perfectly-timed photo of Trump and Trump’s refusal to talk at length about it, are weird.

Hope added that Corey Comperatore, who was the only person killed during the assassination attempt when he was shielding his wife and daughter, was killed to be “used in the plot,” otherwise people would think the shooting was a hoax.

“Extremely important post worth the read and consideration,” Green wrote Saturday on X. “Corey Comperatore’s family deserves to know the truth about Matthew Crooks and what happened in Butler on July 13, 2024. President Trump, of all people, should be leading the charge. Why isn’t he? That’s the question.”

In a follow-up post, Green clarified she doesn’t believe the assassination attempt was a hoax, but she is wondering why Trump won’t release information about the shooter.

Green’s posts come after Wired published an article laying out how many Trump supporters are now convinced the assassination attempt was a hoax. Comedian Tom Dillon and right-wing pundits Tucker Carlson, Emerald Robinson and Candace Owens are just some of the MAGA people who have promoted conspiracy theories that the shooting isn’t what it seems.

Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) and Rep. Pat Fallon (R-Texas) claimed late last year that the FBI “stonewalled” the House investigation into the shooting. The final FBI report on the shooting found that the shooter acted alone.

Trump has been relatively tight-lipped about that day, telling BBC in 2025 that he doesn’t like “dwelling” on it. At the 2024 Republican National Convention, Trump wore a bandage on his ear that was grazed by the bullet, and shortly after he was elected for his second term, the White House replaced a portrait of Barack Obama with a painting of the famous photograph taken moments after the shooting of Trump’s raised fist.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marj...NLS74L793bZ1Z_aem_YBQPcxAHBGyCmht7tX7lvA

Maybe the republicans did really trade Greene for Fetterman?
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence Milk Man 04/19/26 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by FORTBROWNFAN
Saw this last night. Also read the Browns were offering pick 39 for him.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-giants-first-round-draft-pick-takeaways

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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence OrangeHelmet 04/19/26 05:13 PM
That also puts another potential trade partner for Cleveland in need of a WR
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 04/19/26 05:07 PM
They did but trump ignored it. It even came from the man trump refers as "Raizin Caine"..........

Top US general warned Trump before war that Iran could close Strait of Hormuz — report

US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Dan Caine warned President Donald Trump before the United States entered the war with Iran that Tehran could try to close the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation, The Wall Street Journal reports, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Caine told the president in several briefings that US officials had long believed Iran might attempt to block the critical shipping lane using naval mines, drones and missiles if conflict erupted, according to the report.

Trump reportedly acknowledged the risk but decided to move forward with the military campaign, telling advisers he believed Tehran would likely capitulate before taking such a step, and that the US military would be capable of reopening the waterway if necessary.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...ran-could-close-strait-of-hormuz-report/

There is more to the article at the link but this was the pertinent part of it that is related to the discussion.

But then we should all remember that this is the same guy who claimed he knows more than the generals in the past.............

ISIS Strategy (2015-2016): During his 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump stated, "I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me".
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Re: Iran War II northlima dawg 04/19/26 04:55 PM
to have a clue going into this that the leverage the Iranians were going to pull closing the Strait. I can not for a second believe that our military planners didn't tell them that they would pull this card.
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Re: Bengals trade #10 pick for Giants' Lawrence mgh888 04/19/26 04:45 PM
As a Bengals fan how do you like the trade? Seems you are in favour ?
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Re: Poltical Jokes Part 5 Squires 04/19/26 04:36 PM
Strait of Hormuz is being renamed Schrödinger's Strait.
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