There are a number of things at play and I'll list a bunch. But first, I do not understand the infatuation with trying to prove the organization is small or that this is some right-wing scheme.
I can't think of a sloppier term, in internet jargon, than "mentions"; and when you say "from what I've seen" as a backing qualifier it can't lead to anything more than a senseless debate over a useless metric. Not senseless from an opinion standpoint, you're certainly welcome to yours. Senseless from a standpoint of not enough meat on the bone to debate.
I honestly don't think anyone watching cares how many members there are. They care about the rash of new candidates on the horizon that are either affiliated or endorsed by them. Full stop.
Why are they gaining traction and polling well? Your response surely has merit, but I think you need to peel back one more layer for the real answer. It's not just because people hate Trump; it's truer (100% my opinion) that they are exhausted by most from your party running on, speaking on, campaigning on and non-stop b*tching about "stopping Trump". At least these people have some original ideas and platforms. Bat-$h*t crazy... but original.
Lastly, I think that whole debate is senseless as well. They're not running against Trump or even other (R)s at this point. They're eating their own in primaries all over the country. The voter isn't voting this way to stop Trump, they're voting because the other candidates can't do anything more than foam at the mouth 24/7 about stopping him.
So again, my opinion is that this has little to do with the DSA, little to do with the "propaganda machine" (at least not from a partisan standpoint) and everything to do with what is coming out of these clowns' mouths.
No offense, but I think that's a weak talking point when they're:
Polling so well. Winning elections. And again, no one in the party has the balls to reject any of the weak talking points. It's either cryptic answers or "Trrruump!!"
#bIgTeNtPaRtY
Literally! That's the company line. That's the first sentence of every response! I swear, we could find out a democrat candidate eats babies and the response from other democrats would start with "well, you know Joe, we pride ourselves on being a big tent..."
No offense, but I think that's a weak talking point when they're:
Polling so well. Winning elections. And again, no one in the party has the balls to reject any of the weak talking points. It's either cryptic answers or "Trrruump!!"
I understand every bit of it. Both completion percentages and td to int's ratios are the most often used method of measuring a QB's accuracy.
Somehow you can't grasp that a QB making a bad read is just another very important gauge of measuring his accuracy. Throwing the ball to the wrong place doesn't mean you are accurate. All QB's have their WR's drop balls. That could be said of every QB in the league.
So let's look at yet another point you are attempting to make here that also doesn't hold water. That's dropped balls and other factors where the QB is not responsible for the incompletion and adjusts the percentage of completions accordingly.
Baker ranked 7th. Sanders ranked 35th. Flacco was actually 32nd in a terrible season........
Once again.................. Nowhere on this planet is a 56.6% completion rate and 10 int's to 7 td's indicate accuracy for an NFL QB. I have no idea why you keep repeating that.
If you want to get technical the QBR is the best all around tool in gauging an NFL QB. Sanders finished the 2025 season with a QBR of 18.9. That was the lowest QBR rating of any starting QB in the NFL for 2025. That wasn't due to his accuracy. Every measurable you can track dictates that Sanders was not and as of now is not an accurate NFL QB.
I'm simply showing you the stats to back that up. You're the one arguing the very measurables the NFL use to gauge accuracy. You're arguing with their methods, not mine.
I'm not the one misunderstanding anything here. Trying to blame me for your baseless claims isn't scoring you any points.
Clueless!!!! I am done. No where did I say he was as good or better than Baker. I am saying that IMO if he reaches his full potential, he could be another Baker. That is saying at his best he can be around average. Throwing accuracy has nothing to do with everything else. Many of Baker's INT's when he played with the Browns he threw to the right receiver on time and the throw was high. That is accuracy. He made the correct reads; he threw on time and was picked because he overthrew his receiver. Sanders last year made poor decisions and got picked off. That is much difference. Go ahead and keep arguing your ignorant points I will no longer respond because arguing against an agenda vs reality is what it always is with you.
I understand every bit of it. Both completion percentages and td to int's ratios are the most often used method of measuring a QB's accuracy.
Somehow you can't grasp that a QB making a bad read is just another very important gauge of measuring his accuracy. Throwing the ball to the wrong place doesn't mean you are accurate. All QB's have their WR's drop balls. That could be said of every QB in the league.
So let's look at yet another point you are attempting to make here that also doesn't hold water. That's dropped balls and other factors where the QB is not responsible for the incompletion and adjusts the percentage of completions accordingly.
Baker ranked 7th. Sanders ranked 35th. Flacco was actually 32nd in a terrible season........
Once again.................. Nowhere on this planet is a 56.6% completion rate and 10 int's to 7 td's indicate accuracy for an NFL QB. I have no idea why you keep repeating that.
If you want to get technical the QBR is the best all around tool in gauging an NFL QB. Sanders finished the 2025 season with a QBR of 18.9. That was the lowest QBR rating of any starting QB in the NFL for 2025. That wasn't due to his accuracy. Every measurable you can track dictates that Sanders was not and as of now is not an accurate NFL QB.
I'm simply showing you the stats to back that up. You're the one arguing the very measurables the NFL use to gauge accuracy. You're arguing with their methods, not mine.
I'm not the one misunderstanding anything here. Trying to blame me for your baseless claims isn't scoring you any points.
Honest question.... Do you think that poll well because of their policies? Or do you think some people who are anti Trump above all will vote for anything or anyone that pokes an eye on anything "Trump"...
My comment about how many online mentions.... I think those mentions, overwhelmingly by right wing sources from what I've seen, are elevating this tiny organisation and getting them noticed more than anything else. Jmo
IMO Sanders ceiling if he reaches his full potential is what Baker actually is.
And if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they land.
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Accuracy is how accurate an arm a QB has. That is Sanders strongest quality. Does not mean he made the correct read or threw the ball on time. Just he throws the ball with great accuracy.
Nowhere on this planet is a 56.6% completion rate and 10 int's to 7 td's indicate accuracy for an NFL QB. I have no idea why you keep repeating that.
If's and but's aren't going to change that. You keep talking about what might be. I'm talking about the way things are.
You made this statement in your original post on the matter....
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Baker has a stronger arm and Sanders is more accurate.
There is zero evidence to date in their NFL careers this is true. None.
Ok I understand you do not understand the difference in players strengths and weaknesses and the difference in completion percentage to having an accurate arm. So, I will make this simple sense you want to argue something you clearly do not understand. to get a completion you throw the ball and it is caught. That does not mean it was an accurate pass. If the receiver made a miraculous reception, they could make the QB look good. If the QB throws the ball accurately but makes a bad read the ball will get intercepted or be incomplete. If the QB even makes the correct read and also throws the ball accurately but it is late it still more than likely will get intercepted. Saying a QB has an accurate arm is just stating what scouts have said is a strength of Sanders. His arm strength is decent but not great. His strengths as a player are he throws a catchable accurate ball. To be an effective NFL QB he must learn to make the correct read and throw the ball on time or he will never be successful. Sanders biggest weakness is he holds the ball too long and does not throw the ball on time. He needs to improve his pre and post snaps reads to get the ball out quicker and to the right receiver on time and his accurate arm will make him an effective NFL QB. His limitations are he is 6'1 vs a Tom Brady, Joe Burrow, Peyton Manning type 6'3 or better. That height helps QB's see the field better, make better reads, and play on time. Having an accurate arm does n0t mean the QB does not throw incompletions and interceptions it just means he throws the ball with good accuracy to where he intends to throw the ball. Reading defenses and playing on time are most QB's largest hurdles and only the best do that well. Sanders struggled with that last year, and we have nothing that says he will improve.
IMO Sanders ceiling if he reaches his full potential is what Baker actually is.
And if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they land.
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Accuracy is how accurate an arm a QB has. That is Sanders strongest quality. Does not mean he made the correct read or threw the ball on time. Just he throws the ball with great accuracy.
Nowhere on this planet is a 56.6% completion rate and 10 int's to 7 td's indicate accuracy for an NFL QB. I have no idea why you keep repeating that.
If's and but's aren't going to change that. You keep talking about what might be. I'm talking about the way things are.
You made this statement in your original post on the matter....
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Baker has a stronger arm and Sanders is more accurate.
There is zero evidence to date in their NFL careers this is true. None.
Trump rips Pirro decision after DOJ drops Reflecting Pool case: ‘I don’t agree’
President Trump called out U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro on Saturday for agreeing to dismiss the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool vandalism case against former Olympian David Hearn.
The Justice Department moved to drop the case on Friday, finding that the damage to the tidal basin resulted from a “rushed and botched installation,” not alleged vandalism. Trump a day later distanced himself from that decision.
“I disagree 100% with Jeanine Pirro, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, on the Reflecting Pool,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. “I don’t know what she was thinking? To me, it was a pure case of VANDALISM, that included the grass, which had a big 86 47 emblazoned in giant letters on it, and other elements of the surrounding area.”
Hearn was indicted earlier this month after prosecutors said he “forcefully and violently” ripped the bottom liner of the pool but pleaded not guilty to the felony charge of destruction of property.
Pirro’s office noted in its filing that the pool’s issues were a result of over spraying and delamination.
“Specifically, the newly released documents reveal that work on installing the lining almost immediately fell behind, due to a combination of very rainy and windy weather, repeated failures of testing on the sealing of the expansion joints, and delays in obtaining sealing product at the worksite,” prosecutors wrote in the filing.
The administration faced heavy scrutiny over the project after the “American flag blue” paint began to peel and an algae bloom formed in the basin. It was drained more than once since the renovation began for repairs.
Trump in his latest post did not dismiss the issues but maintained his argument that Hearn was responsible for some of the damage.
“There may have been some contractor difficulty, but the major damage was caused by VANDALS,” he wrote.
In a separate post, the president shared a video of the alleged incident, stating that the “material is being cut with a knife or a box cutter, for all to see!”
Prosecutors on Friday noted that the section Hearn was accused of tampering with was not in the area where the vandalism likely occurred. It was also reported that a National Park Service engineer raised concerns about peeling days before the ex-Olympian was arrested.
“Given all of this newly discovered information, it is difficult to attribute the widespread damage to the Reflecting Pool to vandalism, let alone to establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt,” prosecutors wrote.
The Reflecting Pool renovations were part of the president’s efforts to improve Washington D.C. in honor of America’s 250th anniversary.
The final decision on Hearn’s charges will be left to the judge overseeing the case.
Baker's career percentage completion rate is just slightly higher at 63.5.
Sanders td verses int's in 2025....... 7 td's and 10 ints.
Bakers td's verses int's in 2025...... 26 td's and 11 int's.
Who did you say was more accurate between the two again?
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Baker has a stronger arm and Sanders is more accurate.
Accuracy is not completion percentage. It is not did the ball go to the correct receiver. Accuracy is did the QB throw the ball where they attended. Somehow actually have clue when you post. Passing accuracy is Sanders best trait. It does not mean he made the correct read. It does not mean did he force the throw. All it means is he has an accurate arm. Baker played a few years in Cleveland, and he throws quite a few high throws that is not accuracy.
All I am saying is IMO if Sanders plays to his highest level possible. I do not know if he will. But his highest possible level is his ceiling and that is about Baker level and the Browns let Baker go. The Browns correctly determined they could never win a super bowl with Baker. Where they went wrong is determining that Watson was the QB to win a super bowl with. Sanders provides the most hope in 2026 but if he somehow reaches his full potential, it is no better than what they had in Baker. Baker is an average at best NFL QB that the Browns reached for in 2018 and 9 years later we are still paying the price for that reach.
You are entitled to your opinion. But that's all it is. Are you trying to say that when Sanders played last season he wasn't playing to "his highest level possible"? So you saying he was more accurate wasn't actually true.
So now it's if he reaches his highest possible ceiling. Those are not the same thing.
Here's your problem. All 32 NFL teams determined that his potential as an NFL QB left him sitting on the draft bard into the fifth round. Are you really trying to suggest that teams who actually felt he had the potential of being like Baker Mayfield left him sitting on the draft board in round 5?
What was it you said? Oh yeah... "Somehow actually have clue when you post."
When Baker Masyfield was drafted, he was seen as having a higher ceiling than he has actually played to. His ceiling was seen as higher than what Sanders is. IMO Sanders ceiling if he reaches his full potential is what Baker actually is. That was also seen as not worthy enough to every get to a super bowl.
Accuracy is how accurate an arm a QB has. That is Sanders strongest quality. Does not mean he made the correct read or threw the ball on time. Just he throws the ball with great accuracy. I hope he proves me wrong because he is the best QB on the Browns roster at this time. He is not as good as Baker right now. What I am saying is if he grows as a player, I do not see him ever getting any better than what Baker is and that was not deemed good enough for the Browns. I agree with that sentiment. I do not think Baker is good enough to ever get to or win a super bowl. I do not think Sanders will either. That should make you happy since you happy since you do not like Sanders. But with that said he is the best option on the Browns roster right now and I do not think it is close.
I felt like Sampson showed very little inside the tackles as a runner. I view him strictly as a receiving back. Not sure if we have another true runner beyond Judkins
Justice department moves to dismiss its charges against Olympian over reflecting pool | Trump administration | The Guardian https://share.google/AYP7HdSatWCbfep5A
Shocking no one. Reflecting pool damage the result of sloppy contacting not vandalism....
This is like a robber blaming a contractor for installing a door poorly.
The robber is still guilty. The contractor needs to fix it. We need more common sense.
the "robber" is not guilty of a damn thing. the cop just trumped up some made up crap so they don't look like fools-oh well way too late for that one
Once again, the price of crude didn't double. I have no idea how you are making your calculations. Crude oil prices have fluctuated heavily, surging by roughly 20% to 25% overall compared to pre-war levels. Brent crude started the conflict around $70 to $72 per barrel and now trades near $90 a barrel.
A 25% increase in the price of crude isn't double. To keep the same profit margins as before the war based on crude prices their profit would have increased by about 25%.
So whether you calculate it according to the price of gas or the price of oil your math isn't mathing. And now these numbers have came in.....................
ExxonMobil and Chevron reported massive second-quarter profits, with ExxonMobil doubling its earnings to $14.5 billion and Chevron nearly quadrupling its profits to $12.1 billion compared to the same period last year.
No offense, but I think that's a weak talking point when they're:
Polling so well. Winning elections. And again, no one in the party has the balls to reject any of the weak talking points. It's either cryptic answers or "Trrruump!!"
You're right. Did not run well between the tackles last year. Which is weird because he did at Tennessee. His final year, he converted first downs on 33 of 36 short yardage situations IIRC.
His strength is as a receiver out of the backfield, which is obvious when you watch his highlights from last year.
I also like that he has a strong stiff-arm... and when he's not using it, it's in his DNA to cover the ball with both hands.
The thing is gas has gone beyond $4.00 a gallon a few times, but that isn't double the price it was before the war which was about $3.00 a gallon. The math doesn't work. Gas was never $6.00 a gallon which would be double.
Your math is correct but the way you calculate it is wrong. The cost of raw crude is up. The oil companies don't have to increase their margins to see larger profits.
Anyone celebrating the twin towers in flames is a complete douche. Or using it in any way to try to goad and inflame emotions. Complete c**t.
That said that organisation has 120000 members and over 10 million online mentions ... Any "success" they have is being driven by the right wing media and MAGA for giving them the unwarranted attention they are receiving.
Justice department moves to dismiss its charges against Olympian over reflecting pool | Trump administration | The Guardian https://share.google/AYP7HdSatWCbfep5A
Shocking no one. Reflecting pool damage the result of sloppy contacting not vandalism....
This is like a robber blaming a contractor for installing a door poorly.
The robber is still guilty. The contractor needs to fix it. We need more common sense.
No.
Based on your utter failure to understand what happened no wonder you support Trump.
We get it. You're so used to the trump administration and his cronies telling everyone who stands up to him to sit down and shut up you think that's normal now when someone has a different view. Here is a newsflash. That isn't normal. 120k people aren't "taking over" anything.
