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Who really knows who are the top players?

Mock drafts? Draft analysts? PFF?

No. Teams decide who they "think" are the top guys.

If before the draft one could look at all 32 team draft Boards. You might see some drastic differences.

You will not know if the 5th pick is better than the 15th till they play.

As the rounds go by, sure. But the order of the first round or the second?

I cannot count how many times I have heard "we had this guy as a second rounder" after he was selected in the fourth.

Myles Garrett Sends Bold Message To Cleveland Browns

The Browns star edge rusher expects to see the team's offseason plans before determining what's best for his future

On the other side of three meaningless regular season, an offseason of major questions awaits the Cleveland Browns.

That's not lost on star pass rusher Myles Garrett, who made it known last week that he wants to remain with the franchise for his entire career. And while that's still the case one week later, Garrett used his weekly press conference to send a strong message to the Browns brass as they start making plans for the future.

"First of all I want to win. And I want the Browns to be able to put me, and us in position to win," asserted the reigning Defensive Player of the Year. "And I'm not trying to rebuild, I'm trying to win right now. And I want that to be apparent when the season is over and we have those discussions, I want them to be able to illuminate that for me, illustrate that to me so that can be something I can see in the near future, because that's all we want to do."



Whatever general manager Andrew Berry has planned this offseason, his most pressing question centers around the future at quarterback. The Deshaun Watson experiment was derailed yet again, when the embattled QB suffered another season-ending injury. As he spends the offseason rehabbing from an Achilles tear, his status as Cleveland's No. 1 QB is clouded in uncertainty.

Jameis Winston admirably provided a spark for the Browns over the last seven games, taking the offense to a different gear than Watson did int he first seven. His continued propensity to turn the ball over, however, led to his benching this week in favor of Dorian-Thompson Robinson. The 2023 fifth-round pick now gets his chance to audition for the team's starting QB job.

Due to the nature of his contract, Watson is probably back on the roster in some capacity next season. Whether that be as a starter or a backup is very much a mystery to everyone. Whatever that QB room looks like next year, Garrett wants to see the plan.

"As uncertain as it is on the outside looking in, it's uncertain for us as well," admitted Garrett. "So whether DTR is the solution or someone else is, it's gotta be drawn out. There's gotta be a plan of action and just gotta know where things are going."

If Garrett doesn't get that plan from Berry and head coach Kevin Stefanski, or if the organization decides to make sweeping changes with team brass, the 28-year-old could see a future where he's in a different uniform.

"It's a possibility," said Garrett. "But I wanna be a Cleveland Brown, I wanna play here, play my career here. But if we choose to do a rebuild, it's two or three or four years out. I wanna be able to compete and play at a high level, play meaningful games and be playing past January."

That doesn't mean that's the future Garrett wants. His loyalties remain with the Browns, who drafted him No. 1 overall in 2017. It all just comes down to the franchise presenting him with a vision for the future, and one that prioritizes winning.

"I'm gonna stay loyal to a team that showed loyalty to me and faith in my by drafting me," he said. "But we have to do, at the end of the day, what's best for us. So if we have that alignment where this is still something that's still possible in the near future: winning, going deep in the playoffs, putting a great defense out there, having a time of possession running game offense, getting all the guys back. I think that would really keep my mind at rest, keep me settled and not just mine, a lot of the guys on the defense, the d-line, around the team."

Garrett may be the only player with the cache to put pressure on the organization like he did on Friday. When he talks, people tend to listen. Whether or not those in charge of course correcting the franchise after a disastrous season listen this time around will play out in the months to come.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/myles-garrett-sends-bold-message-to-cleveland-browns

I can't say I blame him.

I don't ascribe to your train of thought. While there are certainly exceptions the cream usually rises to the top and everything below the cream is not as rich.

And here you are once again looking to trash another thread by staring some back and forth battle. Biden's mental acuity or lack there of is something that happened over time. It wasn't done in an instant. You can look back the the 2020 debates to see that's true. It is true that I needed some sold evidence before I was willing to state that Biden had mental decline. You know, evidence? That thing you claim you need in order to make a determination?

I don't have a jersey. I have the lesser of two evils which I have stated over and over again for years now. I'm not the one here trying to act like a petulant child trying to start a fight.

No.

You should get our of the screaming left echo chamber and take a breath.

No, I was showing you what you said when the idea that Biden has dementia was brought up, you railed against it. You fought in your stupid childish way about it. You continued to stamp your feet that it wasn't possible. Now the DNC says it is ok to say it so you are suddenly "there were those that said otherwise" like you weren't part of the same group. You carry the water for the party because you can't take the jersey off.

And yet, you will deflect and try to hide the goal posts, because you have no actual answers to your own hypocrisy.

And he isn't even the president.


You keep showing us who you really are. If you're born in this country you are a citizen of this country. That's the law according to the constitution. It doesn't allow for exceptions. I know it isn't the second amendment so you probably don't care about it but all of the constitution counts the same. Not just the parts that you like and even includes the people you call racial slurs.

To complete My ideal draft - combined with the above post
Round 2 OT - There should be several good ones to choose from - my top pick would be:
Johan Savaiinaea Arizona

Size and power - 6'5 and 336#
Listed as an OG but cold be a great RT or OG
I think he could also be a good LT

May not fall to us but there will be multiple others to choose from

My other round 3 pick - Xavier Watts ND safety
Alt billy Bowman Oklahoma safety
I am a big believer in the benefits of a ballhawking free safety

Round 4 - Dillion. Gabriel - Oregon Qb

That would be my ideal draft as of today

You have lumped millions of people as all being the same. Calling them all uneducated peasants. Labeling them as though any such huge group of people are the same. It fits your agenda.

None of that is true. As with every group of people some are well educated. Most of them are hard workers with families. No matter how you slice it you take the worst possible examples you can find and use it as a platform to label an entire group of people.

If you wish try addressing this......................

Non violent crimes have statutes of limitations. Let's use a totally red state as an example.

Here are the only crimes in Alabama that do not have a statute of limitations.....

Capital offenses, or any crime causing death or serious physical injury, arson, forgery, counterfeiting, drug trafficking: none

All other felonies, except conversion of public revenues: five years; conversion of public revenues: six years.

Misdemeanors 12 months.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/cr...te-criminal-statutes-of-limitations.html

Federal statute of limitations is generally 5 years.

So if an immigrant who came here illegally 10 tears ago or 5 years ago have committed no crimes since they came here do you think they too should be deported? Does crossing the border illegally rise to the level of a violent felony offense?

An actual thinking human being understands that you have done nothing but use a broad brush to paint millions of people as all being the same when clearly they're not. That you want to use the most extreme examples in order to do so. Now if you want to have a serious conversation about that we can start here. But I don't think you have any intention of doing that.

Many of these immigrants are hard working people with families. Combined they pay billions in taxes each year. I'm all for deporting people who have crossed the border that have committed felonies. I'm all for securing the border. Which the levels crossing now are very close to the same amount that were crossing when trump was president.

But what I'm not for is labeling many honest, hard working people that have followed our laws and worked here for years as uneducated peasants and lumping them all into one group as some criminal element. I know that's what you're used to. I know that's what you have grown to believe and or accept. But that's not the reality. There is a lot of room for some rational middle ground here. At least for rational people.

I know everybody wants to hang the blame somewhere.

So the head coach and GM are the usual targets.

IMO Berry is about average as a GM. He has made some good moves and mistakes which is normal for a NFL GM.

I think KS is a good young head coach. No matter what happens here KS will continue as a head coach and do well if he has the talent.

No head coach can win without talent.

The game I am looking forward to watching, or I should say team, is Penn St.
The have 2 guys I am very high on that I want to get better evaluations on.

With our 1st round pick, at this point in time, I have my heart set one getting one of 3 players:
Abdul Carter PSU edge
Will Johnson UM Cb
Mason Graham UM DT

In the 3rd round I think we should take a Rb with one of those picks.
There should be several pretty talented Rb available to choose from.
The guy I am currently liking is Nicolas Singletary RB PSU
Good size - 6'0 and 227# (per Espn)
He runs with power and aggression
Has decent hands and underrated speed.

Correct, it’s undocumented migration and it’s been happening since the beginning of our great country. Nothing new but the legal process. It’s become the bottle neck. When the great migration happened on Ellis Island they could have immigrants processed in hours. And they had hundreds of children born on the island. Didn’t seem to be that big of a deal. USA was great enough to handle it then.

If only you had shown what I said over time. I suppose you are calling 05 a liar? It figures you would show up while the grown ups were trying to have a discussion.

i got saved from a lot of that economic struggle stateside because i was deployed so much when i joined the army at 18 in 2006. i just got orders to Germany in 2007 when people were starting to worry about the potential crash, and deployed to iraq early 2008 while all of that was going on.

i remember being 20 years old in the middle of the desert getting ready for another convoy op, listening to civilian contractors who work for KBR that we were escorting discussing the economy. even after the tax free checks we get, i maybe made 45k the whole year deployed? those contractors that we escorted were semi-truck drivers, same job as my unit, making over 200k a year. just thinking back on it now, its crazy that i was part of an illegal war getting peanuts, while the defense contractor guys made over 100k easy and making fun of all the people hurting back home. and all i could do was keep my mouth shut.

We need to be aggressive and smart
The DW trade was aggressive - not smart


Make good personnel moves and coach the players - is absolutely correct
Unfortunately I see little of either

that might be your beef individually, but the masses aren't making that distinction much anymore.

To get out of this mess every move we make from now on has to be the right move. We have to hit on all of them whether it's a salary cap move. FA or the draft. Does anyone have confidence our FO can do this with our track record? I don't blame Myles. We've had 2 good seasons in the 8 years he's been here. He'll be 29 in a week. In all likelihood we won't be competitive in the next few years. I don't blame him for how he feels. We wasted a great players career with Joe Thomas. I'm sure Myles doesn't want that to happen to him.

Amen, so the Uk are finally attacking apartment buildings, other structures....war coming to Russia.....welcome to Ukranian party they've suffered for years.

Wonder what the US population response would be if Putin has decided he wanted Alaska back, cuz Russia got screwed in the deal and attacked Alaska and our communities up there.....would America support Alaska.....I'd hope so. Putin is evil and Trump kisses his hands/ other places.....sad.

Wonder when last time Ballpeen was in an actual REAL classroom- public HS, Jr HS, or elementary school...I'd bet not recently. He's dated, like me with wetback and queer comments- no current understanding of society. OCD- sure things- death and taxes.....but you nailed it---change is a constant.

But, history repeats, just in different forms. Some traditionalist would say- how dare you change military base names- Bragg, Stewart,etc, etc- why not continue to honor Confederate soldiers--- easy in my book- a large percentage of our population isn't happy with honoring former citizens who left the Union, southern heritage sure exalts STATES rights vs. FEDERAL rights.....keep telling yourself that--that's bogus---slavery was the issue, economics was the issue, white land barons with black slaves suffering was the issue---- I'm glad we finally changed the names of bases and moved the statues from key spots in our cities-- long overdue.

Change for the good for ALL people is good. Peace and almost Merry Chrismas. I'm a white, former Rep, and ex-military.

I’m in my 40s. I resemble your nephew. A lot of people don’t realize that millennials are as old as we are now. Some distorted image that we’re still young kids or something.

And yes, that is a problem. We are paying in to support the generation(s) ahead of us, but the chickens will come home to roost.

Someone will have to start paying for the generation that saw our country go from being the world’s biggest creditor to the world’s biggest debtor.

Perfect example of why we need term limits on all these guys and gals- I'll be naive- Washington never wanted to be a career politician, somewhere along the line our system turned from service in government FOR the people to one where I need to get elected and stay in Congress to gain power so my abstract concept of what is good thru my political party moves to the greater good.....BS, we need folks who can THINK and do best thing for country.....never happen. Power corrupts and Demo just showered their colors-- slide a pay raise in for the pigs at the barrel as the government is about to shutdown.....all the spending crap OUR politicans sneak in to bills is criminal.....but legal.

Raise the minimum wage- have a flat tax so Trump/ Elon pay their fair share, and watch CPS for sure- that is what is really important.

No matter how many times fans say they want to fire Berry and or KS.

I do not think it is going to happen this year.

Myles has made his intentions clear. His message to the FO is simple "fix it or I am leaving."

When people say they need to be "aggressive" at quarterback. I don't know what that means. We have been "aggressive." The DW trade was aggressive.

What needs to be done is find a way to win with what is available. DTR is going to finish the season. He deserves a chance. You don't bail on a developing 6th round project pick before you actually see him play. Find out what he is capable of with a real chance to prove himself.

Explore every vet that might give you a chance to win. Bring in the best option to win now.

The draft is questionable but that is always the case. Dig deep. Don't let mocks and other opinions stop the process of hard investigation.

Brock Purdy was the last selection in the draft. Bo Nix was the 6th QB taken.

The NFL opportunity landscape is free agency, trades, the draft, and player development. Get it right. Make good personnel moves and coach the players.

We may not compete for a Super Bowl next year but we can have a winning season. If we start making great personnel decisions we will improve.

What about those in their 40's. Let's use my nephew as an example. He works for a large insurance company, makes a hell of a salary (over 100k). He's worked for them for roughly 18 years and has moved up the ladder. He's paid into SS for all that time.

He'll receive nothing or little at retirement. So maybe now, he'll get a big tax break and that's good for him. So he can save more for retirement. I'd have taken that deal back then..

Here's the problem.. The money he's paying in now is paying for me. I paid for my parents, he's paying for me. Sooner or later, the cash flow will come to an end.

The real problem is those in their 50's and 60's that have NOT yet retired.

My Brother in law hasn't retired. He's 65 and doesn't want to retire until he has too. (70 is his companies mandatory age).. He's paid in his whole life... Is he safe or is he screwed?

They beat a good team and made it look easy.

I am a casual fan at best but when I have watched them play this year.

It has been fun. They seem very balanced and play a good all around game.

The NBA looks different to me than in the past. This is the first regular season where I have watched games in a long time.

Bombs away. In general the 3 point game is the standard.