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Re: What Now Pt. 2
mgh888
01/30/26 08:05 AM
"These are depth players from offensive and defensive units and as such you're not going to see significant differences in raw talent from team to team."
I liked the bullpen analogy - and kind of agree that's how I feel about the Browns special teams... surprise you when you don't expect it but for the most part failed to do their job.... I also agree with the rare exception, ST are made of of bit players. So coaching matters very much ... and you just have to look at the stats posted to see where the Browns were. I said during the season he ST coach should have been fired around week 10 or 11. Glad he's gone - the fact the Rams took him doesn't change a thing.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
GMdawg
01/30/26 07:48 AM
There's been a lot of complaining about KS on these forums the last few years. Well, he's gone and we have a new coach which should make some people happy and there's still complaints. I say let's give Monken some time to see how he runs things. Let's see how we look after training camp and at the start of the season. Was it the right move who knows but we should give him a chance. We may finally have a solid HC. Well I gotta get this one out of my system. Worst choice of all the people we interviewed IMO. Hate this choice for a few reasons. That being said. Welcome (back) to Cleveland Monkman  Please prove me wrong and make me eat crow.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
alne
01/30/26 04:36 AM
Source: https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/special-teamsBrowns 2025 Punt Ret Avg Yds Allowed 12.7 yds (Rank: 26th) Punt Ret TD Allowed 2 (Rank: T 30th) Blocked Punts Allowed 2 (Rank: T 29th) KO Ret Avg Yds Allowed 27.8 yds (Rank: 28th) KO Ret TD Allowed 1 (Rank T 26th) Punt Ret Avg Yds 7.2 Yds (Rank: 26th) Punt Returns Fumbled 5 (Rank: 32nd) KO Ret Avg Yds 23.7 (Rank: 31st) KO Ret Longest 34 yds (Rank: 32nd) Draw your own conclusions
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
lampdogg
01/30/26 12:19 AM
In general our special teams were not very good. That’s putting it mildly. We could not cover a punt or kickoff if our lives depended on it. So long bubba , won’t miss ya
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
oobernoober
01/29/26 10:23 PM
I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both… For me, special teams is like the bullpen in baseball. When you expect them to be good, their not. When you expect them to be bad, they surprise you. In other words, it can change in a blink of an eye for reasons unknown. Maybe I just don't know baseball, but I always considered special teams coaching issues to be the easiest to spot. There are maybe a handful of teams that have a true ST "ace". Other than that, it's full of guys that are 1-2 bad plays from being cut and generally (at least in the case of kick/punt units) are filled with guys that don't see the field much except for those situations. These are depth players from offensive and defensive units and as such you're not going to see significant differences in raw talent from team to team.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
Day of the Dawg
01/29/26 08:39 PM
How was losing Ventrone good for us? His special teams were the main culprit in two losses by the Browns last season. Bad special teams play factored into other losses but not the main culprit. Game 1 vs Bengals - Lost by 1. Missed extra point and missed inside 40 yard field goal. Jets game Browns outgained the Jets by 109 yards lost by 7 and gave up 1 punt return for TD and 1 kick return for TD. There were numerous other gaffs that were inexcusable for an NFL team.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
MemphisBrownie
01/29/26 07:17 PM
I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both… For me, special teams is like the bullpen in baseball. When you expect them to be good, their not. When you expect them to be bad, they surprise you. In other words, it can change in a blink of an eye for reasons unknown.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
1oldMutt
01/29/26 06:58 PM
How was losing Ventrone good for us? I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both…
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