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It was worded in a way that sent a message to current officials that they no longer have any power in negotiations and no more than that. A power play short and simple.

I would say you are right. That's why he changed the play calling for Flacco. That was my entire point. He adjusts the play calling to suit the QB.

I love the space program and all. But I suppose maybe I'm not as excited about it right now as some of the younger people are. Us older folks watched Apollo missions land on the moon 6 times and 12 different men walk on the moon between 1969 and 1972. There were a total of 24 astronauts that landed on the moon during that time frame. So I'm not seeing what they've done to this point as all that much in terms of progress. I guess my generation was just spoiled by watching people walking on the moon.

I can't really agree or disagree with "everything has gone our way" since it's not really clear what "way" we wanted things to go.

Ever since this admin has started mucking around in Iran, the objective has morphed and undergone so many changes/shifts... and yet somehow during the whole thing it's never really been clear.

During the last work stoppage, there was a ton of press and hand-wringing about the effect the replacement refs were having on game outcomes... but honestly, I didn't feel like they were all that worse than the regulars.

Similarly, games would benefit from this with oversight when played with regular refs as they would with replacements.


Overall, I just find myself very unimpressed with officiating consistency in the NFL, so it's annoying to see people give replacement refs such a hard time.

This isn't the Iran war thread. This is a thread about the trump administration is threatening the broadast licenses of networks for not saying and reporting things the way they want them to. It's about the FCC chair admitting this administration is at war with the media. How they aren't supposed to report anything the Iranian leaders say and only report what trump says. You do realize that's how they do things in places like Russia and China, right?

And BTW- The only time we have went into the middle east that it hasn't turned into a quagmire is when Bush invoked operation Desert Storm. A coalition was built leading up to that operation and there was a very clear agenda. Run Iraq out of Kuwait. That lasted a grand total of 100 hours.

You seem not to remember how that worked. You don't start a war first and then tell people it's time for them to get involved. You build a coalition first. You must have forgotten about Shock and Awe and how huge that bombing campaign was in Iraq. How Bush stood on the deck of that aircraft carrier under the "Mission Accomplished Banner" well before the mission was accomplished or how we spent almost 20 years in Afghanistan and the Taliban is still in charge.

So now, after all of that recent history you think it's unrealistic to think not only the media but the people themselves don't wonder if this will turn out the same way? Come on man.

Trump told the American people just months ago that he had obliterated Iran's nuclear program. That it had been set back years and maybe decades. Then just eight months later he tells you they are on the verge of having a nuke. So was he lying to you then or was he lying to you when he started this war?

I can help you out Peen - The reason some think this is an absolute chit show and not going well (and it has nothing to do with media perspective, much of the rest of the world things it's a mess) ... and this is off the top of my head and I'll miss some things:

1. 9 months ago we obliterated Iran's Nuke capacity. Trump and Hegseth told us.
2. So this is a war we started thru choice - and it is illegal based on international law.
3. Rubio told us we joined Israel because they were going to strike with or without them. Doesn't really sound like we are in charge here.
4. We've been given a revolving door of reasons or justifications or objectives - regime change, influence on the next regime, remove a threat that didn't exist. Various independents and then someone from the FBI confirmed this.
5. Nearly forgot to mention that the negotiations were going well, concessions never before made had been committed to.
6. Before we went Trump and the administration said we were doing it for the people (who were being brutally killed and suppressed) - that lie/narrative has died a quiet lonely death.
7. We bombed the crap out of them and were very soon told we'd won. We were told they had no means to use missiles or fight back.
8. At which point they did what they said they would do and tried to make this as painful as possible for the rotw - firing missiles and rockets at neighboring states and causing the issue in Strs of Hormuz.
9. Probably worth a mention of the $1/2 Billion of insider trading that went on before Trumps big announcement.
10. Trump claimed all the leaders were dead - there was no one to talk to - but he was negotiating with someone... a top man. He said all that contradiction in the space of 3 minutes.
11. Iran mocked him - said there was no negotiation and then promptly ratcheted up there attacks and strikes.
12. Trump's been asking for help from NATO - which this war has absolutely NOTHING to do with. NATO countries told him so and since then Trump's been attacking western allies, acting like a child and being a jerk. He's now threatening to exit NATO.
13. He said he didn't need help and then 24 hours later was asking for help (from France, UK and NATO).
14. Colin Powell said something along the lines - "once you break it, you are going to own it, and we're going to be responsible" == what Trump has done is Break it now tell the world to go fix the mess he made in Hormuz Straights.
15. His address last night was an absolute incoherent ramble of nonsense. He just claimed that if the war hadn't started Iran would have let off a Nuke by now.

Bottom line-

- No real regime change. No control over the regime change. The new ruler is the son of the old ruler - he may be more dangerous. We don't know.
- We have not helped the people.
- They were not a nuclear threat before - they still aren't.
- World economy has been impacted. It might take a while to recover.
- We've further distanced and provoked NATO allies.
- Price of oil (right now) $107 barrel
- Trump's too stupid to realize that even if the US doesn't get it's oil thru the Straights of Hormuz - any shipping issues there impacts the GLOBAL price of oil.
- Your solution of putting more US boots on the ground in the middle east to police a region is the very definition of quagmire.

The whole entire thing is an unmitigated disaster. The world and the US is not safer today and the threat of Iran and any shenanigans has not diminished, if anything maybe, just like what Israel did with Genocide in Gaza - you've just bred and filled the ranks for future generations to hate the US.

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Yet you give no reasons that it's not possible.....

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Yet you give no reasons that it's not possible.....

Gone Our Way? Really..., You mean like Hormuz? Yeah, that went out way... sure. Last summer Trump said that Iran's Nuke were destroyed... No need to worry about that again...

Then he launches attacks after he'd been told that Iran doesn't pose a nuke threat.....

I'm not fan of Iran.. Not at all.. But this president is a moron with alternative agendas.....

There is a movement afoot that questions the FCC for allowing these mergers... My guess is that in time, you will see some divestment going on ... Anyone with eyes and ears and a brain can see it's a blatant attempt to control the entire media landscape.

Some of the left news describes this as a quagmire.

We have been there a little over 30 days and everything has gone our way. We may be there another 30 and possibly set up a base on one of the islands in the strait. Maybe they need to look at our troops in Europe that we have had there for 70 or so years. Maybe 80 years. That might rightfully be called a quagmire.

Maybe we just move some of the troops in Europe and stick them on an island in the strait to add some additional security to that part of the world. We need to stick around for a good while to be able to swiftly punish them if they make moves to rebuild any of their military operations.

It is very impressive.

When I first read the thread title, I thought we were going to talk about the old TV show " The Wild, Wild, West". I liked that show.

I'd say there is a big difference between the way Flacco plays the position v Watson. It's more than both players having big arms.

Inside the narrow parameters you set, no, because it threatens our security as much as Iran threatens our security. However, it's not as simple as a yes or no answer. Europe in much more United than they were before the world wars.

Artemis can we agree this is amazing? I think it is.

I thought the title of this thread was an April Fool's joke.

The system last year was "Throw the ball before you get killed"

Iran Agrees to End War Only if There is Regime Change in U.S.

"Such a madman must not be allowed to possess nuclear weapons," the Ayatollah said. Iran’s ultimatum gained the support of Greenland, Canada, and the rest of NATO.

Andy Borowitz

Haven't you seen the original Top Gun movie?
Geez Pit, get with it

Trump made it official today. "I am removing secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy and appointing Tiger Woods to take his place. With all of Tiger's experience in the field of vehicle crashes it make him more qualified to hold the position than Sean Duffy could ever possibly be. Thank you for your attention to this matter."

I won't do a yes or no but I will give some historical context to try and help put it in perspective.

The time between World War I and World War II, known as the interwar period, lasted approximately 21 years, from the armistice on November 11, 1918, to the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939. This era was marked by economic instability, the rise of totalitarian regimes, and the failure of international appeasement to prevent further global conflict.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was formed on April 4, 1949. There hasn't been a world war since.

We are supposed to learn from history rather than repeating the same mistakes from the past.

Just a question for everyone - no idea if it's Trump mouth just jabbering away or if this is his greatest ever gift to Putin ...

But if the US backed out of NATO - good or bad for world security? No need to try to rephrase the discussion, just a yes or no thanks.