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Got it. Yes - if the demand is there, someone will fill the need/demand.

This is some crazy stuff-and a lot more happened today

Shedeur was selected in the fifth round for real reasons.

He has been developed to his credit.

The 26 draft order is still unknown.

In four games the guy the Browns may have wanted to draft could be gone.

Wow. Developing story as he has now been detained by police as well. Rumors include staff member being pregnant and police called because he threatened to kill himself.


Michigan fires Sherrone Moore for inappropriate relationship


Pete Thamel, Dan Wetzel and Adam Schefter
Dec 10, 2025, 04:44 PM ET

Michigan fired coach Sherrone Moore for cause Wednesday after a university investigation that found "credible evidence" he was engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

"This conduct constitutes a clear violation of University policy, and U-M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior," athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement Wednesday.

Biff Poggi was named interim coach. Michigan is slated to play Texas in the Cheez-It Citrus Bowl on Dec. 31.

The news ends Moore's Michigan coaching career at 17-8, with his final game a 27-9 loss to Ohio State to conclude a 9-3 season. The 39-year-old had gone through two years of his five-year contract as the Wolverines' head coach, and the school's firing for cause means it isn't planning to pay the nearly $12.3 million it would have owed him on his deal.

Moore was promoted to Michigan's head coach in the wake of Jim Harbaugh's departure for the NFL after Michigan's 2023 national title.

Moore endured some off-field controversies before his firing, including a suspension in Week 3 and Week 4 of this season tied to the Connor Stalions illegal advanced scouting scheme.

Moore was set to serve an additional one-game suspension for the start of the 2026 season as well. He was also suspended for the season opener in 2023 as part of self-imposed penalties for breaking recruiting rules.

Moore was a successful offensive line coach and offensive coordinator before being promoted to head coach. He was a finalist for the Broyles Award in 2023, when he was the playcaller on Michigan's national title team.

The firing puts Michigan in a difficult position of finding a coach in the wake of what's been considered the most volatile coaching carousel in recent college football history. There's already been a flurry of hires and extensions, which will complicate Michigan's search.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...an-fires-coach-sherrone-moore-9-3-season





Ex-Michigan coach Moore detained by police after firing

Pete Thamel
Dan Wetzel
Dec 10, 2025, 07:37 PM ET

Sherrone Moore was detained by police in Saline, Michigan, on Wednesday and was later turned over to a second area police department for investigation into potential charges, the Saline Police Department stated.

"The City of Saline Police Department assisted in locating and detaining former University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore," the department said in a statement released to ESPN. "Mr. Moore was turned over to the Pittsfield Township Police Department for investigation into potential charges."

The University of Michigan fired Moore as its head football coach earlier on Wednesday following an investigation into Moore's conduct with a staff member.

"U-M head football coach Sherrone Moore has been terminated, with cause, effective immediately," the school said in a statement. "Following a University investigation, credible evidence was found that Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

"The conduct constitutes a clear violation of University policy, and U-M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior."

Calls to both the Saline and Pittsfield Township Police Departments have not been returned.

Moore, 39, spent two seasons as Michigan's head coach, after serving as an assistant coach with the program beginning in 2018.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...higan-coach-moore-detained-police-firing

I have not said much about Shedeur.

I feel a bit bad about the media circus that the mindless numbskulls fill the airwaves with. It is part of the problem, so much media chatter, it is fodder to fill the airtime and something to talk about it. My wife calls the Sunday shows "The View for men"

Just because someone has a take, does not make it an accurate assessment. My advise for the media is to avoid it if at all possible. They make money for being provocative and filling the airwaves with interesting banter. Interesting is the key word. Accuracy or truthfulness in the content of the banter is irrelevant. Sell the ads.

Now, what I think of Shedeur. I liked him as a QB at Colorado. That team played well and was entertaining. I thought he had the potential to be a NFL QB. I did not like all the sacks in college but that can be a result of a bad offensive line.

Lots of drama about not being picked in the first round, and being picked by the Browns in the fifth. I think that KS does not like drama QB's aka Baker. I think the plan was to sit him all year and work with him in the off season to figure out. Gabriel was thought of as a player more ready to play. Then Gabriel gets hurt.

The Baltimore game was everything that one would have anticipated. But I think credit should be given to the Browns coaching staff, as Shedeur looks like a completely different player. If the Browns think that he can be the starter going forward, they have a reasonable sample size. If the starter is someone else, so be it.

Everything goes away with winning.

It is easy to criticize since everything has failed in the past. The media doesn't need to work! The sheep will follow every word.

Hopefully, Haslam has a pair and will let it play out.

Sometimes I can handle SA Smith.

Other times his schtick is exhausting and foul.

He of course is not alone. The players know the game because SA made the game work. Be outraged and talk loud and fast. You don't need to be right. Just keep them tuned in to what you say. One of the worst media members is Skip Clueless. The cowboys fan boy cheerleader. Geez.

The narrative that the Browns and specifically KS is ruining Shedeur is perfect theater. "They want him to fail." "He was never wanted." "They never gave him first team reps."
"They never prepared him." "They took him out of the game when he could have won the game."

How absurd. Shedeur has been handled perfectly. He is right where he should be. He has a four year contract and he is starting after being drafted in the 5th round.

The results and his growth prove that.

When they traded to draft Shedeur. They wanted him because it was a value pick in a position of need. They scouted his flaws and felt he might develop.

They signed two veterans to compete to be the starter. Gabriel and Sanders would get to watch and learn. Pickett fell out because of injury. Flacco became the starter.

The season unraveled. The loses piled up. Flacco at forty was not the future. The plan became let the rookies play and find out about them. Gabriel was further advanced and started six games. He got injured and Shedeur got his chance. He ran with it and proved he deserved the opportunity to finish the season. They gave it to him and announced it quickly.

Shedeur learned from watching. "Hungry Dawgs" was a program to give rookies extra work and coaching. Shedeur had lots to work on and he did a great job taking the coaching and putting what he learned on to the field. It is so obvious.

But they can't beat this topic enough. "He has to get out of Cleveland to succeed."

Guess what SA? He Ain't A Going Nowhere.

Here’s something some may find ridiculous: a US college all-star team, given two months to gel, wound be pounded by the worst CFL team.

Bill Callahan is 69 years old and I'm not sure if coaching football is in his future plans.

That said, Callahan and Joe Thomas as OLine advisors to rebuild the Browns OLine via the draft, we would be hard pressed to find anyone more qualified than those two.

Berry's history of drafting OLine is matter of record...and not very good.

OR...maybe create a false flag situation... could be that Venezuela is hiding cocaine is in the oil...

When all else fails..start a war..!

So you are simply throwing out what you "think and feel" regarding the Steele Dossier' even though much of its content were shown to be true. Aw, those feelings mean so much.

So now you bring up the trans issue. Which once again has nothing to do with the topic.

Having a "choice" isn't advocating anything other than to give women a choice.

advocate; a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.

The policy being advocated is choice, not to "advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies." Someone needs to buy you a dictionary for Christmas. Let me guess, you don't believe in the definition of words either?

Yeah, the president who did everything in his power to cover up the Epstein files to protect pedophiles seems to be an issue you are having trouble understanding.


You don't need to. Here is what you are not believing. You are not believing juries. Through all of your mindless rants it seems to have escaped you that it was not Biden who convicted trump. It was not Merrick Garland nor Letitia James. A jury convicted trump. A jury who heard the charges, listened to the evidence and made a decision based on that evidence to convict him.

It wasn't the democrats who chose to settle all of those lawsuits. It was trump who settled those suits because he knew he couldn't win those lawsuits.

It wasn't "the democrats" who found trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carol. Once again it was a jury who heard all of the evidence.

Once again you brought up a host of issues that had nothing to do with this topic. You blamed the democrats for the decision of juries and settlements trump agreed to.

Sadly you can't see that what you have chosen to believe are the lies that spew from trump's face on a daily basis that proves he's a habitual liar. Yet you blame everyone else for it and pretend they are the evil ones.


How is that working out for you? I think the question you should be asking yourself is why do you believe anything trump tells you?

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that the U.S. has seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela amid mounting tensions with the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-12-10-2025

I understood what you said, I'm saying if we're so worried about drugs coming into this country, addressing the demand would probably be a more effective solution.

So I take that to mean you believe there should be consequences for leveraging government assets to attack political opponents purely for political and personal reasons?

The Steele dossier was an illegal document and those behind that document should have been thrown in jail. That dossier and those that conspired to use it to destroy a political foe are the true criminals. I do not believe 99% of the crap the left has thrown up against Trump. Why would I believe anything from a party that is so confused they allowe men in women's restroom/locker rooms. They advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies. Sick! demented! Evil! Why should I believe there is any good in that side? Why would I believe anything they say against our current President? Most of the powerful left are made up of pedophiles that want to make hard working American citizens peasants. No thanks.

Still avoided every point I brought up during this thread. I can't say I blame you. What actual choice did you have?

There is a very long list of who could be better Presidents than Joe Biden was. That list may even include Jimmy Carter and I never thought anyone would have been worse than him.

I kinda feel the same way. Great speed and if he can keep his nose clean and put a full offseason/TC in, he might turn out to be a legit WR in the NFL.

You must remember the skill set for Browns receivers is route running and YAC.

The two rookie QBs have struggled with the timing needed in this offense. Sanders has improved these last two games.

To say the receivers are garbage is misleading; the quarterbacks need better timing on their intermediate throws. How many times have we seen passes thrown late, high, and low? Yes, receivers must catch the ball, but to take advantage of their skill set, the quarterback must lead the receiver open with anticipation throws. This comes with a better understanding of defensive pass coverage.

The Browns do not have the elite receivers, but they have enough good receivers. The quarterbacks must get better.

In actuality, if Sanders improves his timing, this whole offense improves. The Bears will be a good test this Sunday.

None of which has anything to do with what I posted. Exactly as I suspected. There are may however who sound no less crazy than you.

One specific poll from April 2023 found that 52% of self-identified MAGA Republicans said Vladimir Putin was a better president than Joe Biden when asked in a direct comparison.

Well done Comrade.

Sorry if I wasn't clear ... not talking about demand. Talking abvout the supply.

From AI -- Approximately 90% to 95% of the cocaine entering the United States originates in Colombia. Recent reports from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) consistently place the figure in this range.
Specific data points from the DEA and other U.S. Government estimates include:
98% in 2021, according to forensic analyses of seized cocaine.
93% around 2020.

I think Bond is someone who could round out into a legit NFL superstar.

He's an athletic freak with elite speed who, with a little work and determination, could be an elite route-runner as well.

No thanks. I am an American. Not a citizen of the world. Not a socialist. That blindly follows whatever your master the government or media tell you.