Re: Criminalise politicians who lie?
oobernoober
09/02/26 01:18 AM
Not a chance in a billion that any such law would pass or be even remotely enforceable. Enforceable or likely to be enforced? My guess is neither... and while it sounds great, that hinges on it being applied/enforced with gusto and equally across the political spectrum (I have doubts).
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Re: Practice Squad and waiver claims
oobernoober
09/02/26 01:12 AM
.... there isn’t a savior coming for this season.... Truer words have never been spoken. I could see us scrounging through the Joe Miltons in the league in the back half of the year when we've already burned through 1-2 QBs.
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Re: Practice Squad and waiver claims
IrishDawg42
09/02/26 12:35 AM
I wonder if we'll claim Joe Milton I wonder where Milton will end up Any other thoughts? Milton is about on the same level right now as 4 other members of the current team. Which one would you cut to make way for Milton? Look, Dallas didn’t think much of him, 32 other teams didn’t think enough of him to put a waiver claim in. He had one helluva game back in 2024, but one game does not make a professional player. We have what we are hanging on our season on in the locker room right now, there isn’t a savior coming for this season. Haslem and the front office are resigned to losing if that’s what it takes to get our choice of WB in 2027.
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Re: Border Crossings
Bull_Dawg
09/01/26 11:47 PM
I made a comment in another thread about Biden's failure on the southern border.
It made me wonder what the real picture is. When and why did this issue suddenly become one of the hot topic buttons - if not the most important hot button issue. Certainly I remember trump and MAGA being somewhat obsessed with this topic and White Replacement theory during his run up to term 1 ... I've seen the numbers under Biden - but I wondered what the numbers were like in previous administrations ... so I went to ChatGPT to see what actual data there is. The answers sort of surprised me.
Here's some of the information I gathered.
Using fiscal-year data, the broad picture is: Administration ------- Fiscal years used SW Border Patrol apprehensions / encounters Average per year George W. Bush ------- FY2001–08 ------------ ~ 8.02 million ------------------------------------- ~ 1.00m Obama ----------------- FY2009–16 ------------ ~ 3.31 million ------------------------------------- ~ 413k Trump term 1 --------- FY2017–20 ------------ ~ 1.95 million ------------------------------------- ~ 488k Biden ------------------ FY2021–24 ------------ ~ 7.46 million ------------------------------------- ~ 1.86m
important context: Bush actually had extremely high illegal-crossing traffic, particularly early in his presidency. Southwest Border Patrol apprehensions were about 1.24m in FY2001, 1.17m in 2005 and 1.07m in 2006, before declining sharply to 705,000 in 2008. DHS's historical data show those numbers directly.
Obama inherited that downward trend and experienced historically low numbers. Southwest apprehensions fell as low as 327,577 in FY2011, then rose during the Central American migration waves: 479,371 in 2014 and 408,870 in 2016
Trump's first term wasn't uniformly low. FY2017 was extraordinarily low at about 304,000, and FY2018 about 397,000. But FY2019 jumped to 851,508, driven heavily by Central American families. FY2020 fell to about 401,000, although that year was heavily affected by COVID and Title 42
Biden's numbers were on an entirely different scale from Obama or Trump 1. Border Patrol southwest encounters were roughly 1.66m in FY2021, 2.21m in FY2022, 2.06m in FY2023 and 1.53m in FY2024.
BUT .... some nuance.
The Biden/late-Trump numbers contain substantial repeat crossing because of Title 42. Someone expelled rapidly into Mexico could try again and be counted again. CBP estimated that between March 2020 and February 2021, about 38% of encounters involved people who had already been encountered previously. CRS therefore estimated roughly 1.27 million unique individuals for FY2021 versus the headline encounter count of about 1.66 million
Also: Border Patrol was much less effective at detecting/intercepting crossings during the Bush era than it later became. DHS estimates its southwest-border apprehension rate at only about 33–41% during much of 2001–08, versus roughly 72–80% in the later Obama/Trump years. That means Bush's ~1 million annual apprehensions probably represented considerably more attempted illegal crossings than the same number would today.
So what might be the historically fair conclusion?
The data tells a more interesting story than either party's talking points:
Bush: enormous illegal migration problem, especially 2001–06. In absolute attempted crossings, it was undoubtedly much worse than the apprehension statistics appear because Border Patrol caught a smaller percentage.
Obama: by far the lowest sustained southwest-border apprehension levels of these four presidencies. There were serious surges in 2014 and 2016, but nothing approaching Biden-era totals.
Trump 1: very low initially, followed by a major 2019 crisis, then COVID/Title 42 dramatically altered migration and enforcement in 2020.
Biden: unquestionably the largest recorded border-encounter surge of the modern period, particularly 2021–23. The idea that there wasn't an exceptional border surge during Biden's presidency simply isn't consistent with CBP data. But saying "7.5 million illegal immigrants entered America under Biden" is also incorrect: 7.5 million is encounters, not successful entries or unique immigrants who remained in the country.
One other fact worth noting: Biden eventually tightened the border substantially in June 2024. After his asylum restrictions were introduced, Border Patrol encounters fell more than 50%, reaching 83,536 in June, the lowest monthly level since January 2021
AND: Something I saw about Biden jumped out at me related to how many migrants were "released into the USA" - the numbers were much higher than Trump but not recorded for Obama and Bush .... May 2023 and March 2024, 67% of unauthorized migrants encountered at the southwest border were released into the United States to await immigration proceedings. ** that sounds horrific - but additional digging shows: 67% released into USA for processing but → 15% granted asylum + 45% deported + 7% disappeared.
SO --- I would assume the big Biden numbers are going to get the attention and spammed across Social Media platforms without any nuance, certainly that was what I had experienced. But these are only encounters and they now include this 38% of previous people encountered/returned. The processing numbers were much bigger under Biden - people being allowed entry to be processed. I am sure the headline number gets the attention - not the number that were later deported or the number of cases that were legitimate or granted.
AND SO --- Obama had better numbers than any of them, so how did this become an issue that MAGA believed Democrats were soft on and that there was an 'open border' ??
--- And while Bushes numbers were bad, the reality is undoubtedly they were much worse. Using the numbers above - 1m per year at a say 37% rate vs 1.86m at 76% apprehension rate .... the total numbers of those attempting to cross become Bush (2.7m per year) and Biden (2.44m per year) .... so a bit like the myth that Reagan was for small government, or that Republicans are fiscally responsible, or that the economy does better under Republicans ... this narrative that Republicans have traditionally been stronger on the southern border than the Democrats is one more fake narrative. Not surprising ... but yes, I was actually surprised. Responding to the bold & underlined specifically here: Biden was campaigning for re-election in the lead up to those June 2024 numbers and was getting dragged in the media/polls before he suddenly decided to do what a large number of Americans wanted and cracked down on illegal immigration. Unfortunately for Biden, it was seen as the political ploy that it quite possibly was and many voters expected him (/his handlers) to go back to what they had been doing if he was re-elected. More generically, estimates (or "science"/data collection) rely on the accuracy and methodology of the ones doing the estimating (or "science"/data collection.) Depressingly, in the current political/cultural climate, those doing the estimating (or "science"/data collection) all too often have agendas. ChatGPT pulling numbers from somewhere without links and references doesn't move the needle much for me. I think more than the numbers, the perception of the parties is based on their messaging. One party is seen as looking for excuses to let immigrants in. The other is seen as trying to keep illegals out. Unfortunately, groups tend to worry much more about their in groups than others. And for many people it seems negatives tend to resonate much more deeply, so people can seek personal risk avoidance over positive policy. While many people saw Trump negatively, not all saw him as negative towards them. On the other hand, many people saw Biden as worried more about people that weren't them at their personal expense. ...Why are we still talking about Biden?
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Re: Expectations
bbrowns32
09/01/26 09:59 PM
I hate feeling that way before the first kickoff... Just wait 'til April next year and I fully expect that you will change your mind.....
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Re: Expectations
PitDAWG
09/01/26 06:34 PM
I hate feeling that way too. But at the same time in the long run considering our QB situation it may be the best case scenario. I hate feeling that way too. It's like watching the same movie for the fourth or fifth time and expecting it to have a different ending.
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie?
PitDAWG
09/01/26 06:14 PM
I think we get it. Somehow in fantasy land people such as yourself keep believing that electing people that cut your taxes while increasing spending is a logical conclusion to lowering the national debt. While somehow you think the problem is those explaining to you how that won't work. How that without huge and drastic spending cuts you can't cut the nation's income, "taxes". And usually the answer to that question from your side is to take and cut programs for the poor. I've witnessed this exact same thing for most of my life. And none of that has ever made any sense.
I'm quite sure you have never run your household budget that way. Surely you don't believe decreasing your income while spending more would help you get out f debt do you?
Illegal immigration is illegal. But as has been pointed out to you many times crossing the border illegally is a minor misdemeanor. Nowhere does such a category of crime call for any length of detention. If you want to deport them, deport them. That's not the issue here. Warehousing people like animals for committing minor misdemeanors is something nobody should feel comfortable with.
Then there is the fact that during the trump administration requirements and the process has been changed to the point that many who were never here illegally before are now suddenly illegal. In effect this administration has "created" illegals. You're a smart man Peen. I know if you bothered to look into this you would figure it out for yourself.
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Re: Expectations
IrishDawg42
09/01/26 06:06 PM
From my perspective we are in competition with the Dolphins to see which team can assemble the worst QB room in the NFL.
Their QB depth chart is currently Malik Willis, Kyle McCord and Brady Cook. Not gonna lie, we might have a better room than they do...Not saying much, but it could also be a competition between them and us for the #1 overall pick. I hate feeling that way before the first kickoff...
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie?
mgh888
09/01/26 05:53 PM
Politician says they will lower taxes. Opposing party does everything in their power to see that doesn't happen, then jails the politician for telling a lie. No, that wouldn't make any sense what so ever and no-one in that situation would be accused ... That does not fit anywhere near the definition of what the article talks about. Tell me - if words and statements of fact are so impossible to interpret and legislate for, how is it that people can be taken to court deformation and libel? Anyway with that said - while I think the idea is interesting. I know it will never happen, and I am not even going to say it should happen. I'll simply stand by the fact that if it were in any way possible to improve the current ability for politicians lie with with impunity, it would only be good and discussing ways to make it happen are worthwhile even if they seem improbable or challenging.
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie?
Ballpeen
09/01/26 05:44 PM
The border is secure.
If something is against the law, it can be dealt with without some subjective law.
Politician says they will lower taxes. Opposing party does everything in their power to see that doesn't happen, then jails the politician for telling a lie.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
mgh888
09/01/26 05:26 PM
Trump is without doubt Putin's cuckold. I forget which poster wanted to claim that Trump prostrating himself to Putin was a good thing because years of hardline policies hadn't turned Russia and Putin into our best buddies ... but all I see if more kowtowing and cuckolding. It's nauseous - and there are folks that think the Democrats want to turn the country into something 'unamerican'... unbelievable. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-russia-finance-minister-exile-b3042610.htmlTrump faces huge backlash for inviting Russian finance minister to G20 talks after years of exile Donald Trump is facing a major backlash after inviting Russia’s finance minister to the G20 summit following three years of exile due to Moscow’s war on Ukraine. Senior European officials refused to take part in a “family photo” with Anton Siluanov on Monday amid widespread protest over his presence at the summit in Asheville, North Carolina. Siluanov and other Russian central bank leaders were invited to the summit of G20 finance ministers by the Trump administration. The US president defended the decision by saying he gets “along with everybody”. European officials have been left unimpressed. “I find the signal sent by receiving the Russian finance minister here quite troubling,” said German finance minister Lars Klingbeil. “I would have wanted greater clarity from the American side that he should not be received here as a normal guest.” Polish finance minister Andrzej Domanski said he was unhappy to see Russia represented, although he recognised the right of G20 hosts to invite guests. “We do not trust Russia. They lie constantly, and you need to be really, really cautious while discussing with them,” he told Reuters. “So for me it would be very difficult to have any kind of conversation with Russia.”
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