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I saw 5'9" work the O efficiently. SS was a dumpster fire. We need to decide how much of the bad was owned by SS and how much was the seconds. We didn't look sharp at all. DG did OK for his limited time and personnel he ran with. Wasn't encouraged by much that I saw.

It does but it doesn't. The best comeback for those who claim it's "a race thing" is pretty simple and blows their argument out of the water.

The first two picks in the 2024 draft were both black QB's. Caleb Williams went No. 1 overall to the Chicago Bears and Jayden Daniels went No. 2 overall to the Washington Commanders.

In the 2025 draft the first pick was a black QB. Cam Ward to the Tennessee Titans.

Thus if Sanders was worthy of a higher selection he would have been selected higher.

The main problem as I see it is that some fans, most fans I believe, pay too much attention to the talking heads than look at the facts as they are. It's not exclusive to the sports world either.

Relocating Bone's post from gameday, as my response definitely belongs here and not there...



I think you nail the sentiment and thought process of most fans right here. Let me try to talk you down the way I've been talking myself down... I'll admit there is a rabbit hole or two if you play through scenarios.

Maybe they've already decided SS is not "the guy". Maybe they already know Watson is head and shoulders a better QB. They also know he'd have to quickly become top 10 material again before they'd even entertain the thought of a future. That future would include (comparatively) a very steep discount. And that scenario would still have us drafting a QB.

Maybe they see that as a better building block for an offensive scheme than SS running around like chicken little? A better way to groom all of this young offensive talent?

From that standpoint, Shedeur's remaining "last shot" comes via injury or absolute collapse from Watson. He still has weeks and weeks, within the meat of another football season, for things to begin to click.



And if losing turns the undercurrent into a cancer, Shedeur is gone. I'd venture to say there's a club out there that would still flip a 5th, there's always that one GM or coach that thinks they can fix someone. If not? So what. A future 5th won't determine our success or failure anyway. Cut him and wash your hands.

Ahh, I didn’t realize the added context. That makes it make a little sense I guess. The one and only guy I got into it with over SS was an older black dude. Coulda picked a better hero. People do love them a conspiracy and the talking heads are more than happy to play that up for clicks.

It has become the norm to expect insanity and say nothing when it occurs.

In international law, sovereignty is a state’s exclusive right to govern its territory without external interference. It is a global system.

trump states Greenland and the Strait of Homuz will become US territory.

Nobody says anything like it is normal for the presidency.

This is where we are as a country.

Maybe so. I don't know how often that happens. Maybe it should happen more often. You never know when a games critical inning is going to happen. The don't always come in the late innings.

Funny how 5'9" didn't have any batted balls at the LOS.

Ranking after the first preseason game:

1. DW
2. SS
3. 5’9

Takeaways:

1. It’s preseason.
2. A loss is still a loss.
3. Where are the points going to come from?

Positive thoughts:

1. DW looked better than expected.
2. We saw some early signs of a potentially good running game.
3. It looks like we’ve raised the floor compared to last season.

Negative thoughts:

1. It’s going to be a long season.
2. Do we have enough difference-makers to make plays when games get tough?
3. One step forward, two steps back. Sound familiar?

He's easy enough to like. He's easy enough, as an underdog, to root for. He definitely does have some redeeming qualities as a QB. He specializes in some highlight-reel type throws that makes it easy for "the cult" to disregard the rest.

But really? Shedeur as a poster child for "division" was created on draft night. Fueled by the talking heads...

Stephen A. Smith "Kaepernick-level collusion"
Mel Kiper Jr. "Disgusting process lacking football merit"
Booger McFarland "More than football at play here"
Peter Rosenberg "Deep history of racial bias"

And we KNOW how much everyone loves a conspiracy theory in this day and age.

I live and work in an area where it is predominately black. I never saw more people wearing Browns shirts then one Sunday last year. They want a new hero, and SS is possibly that for them. Nothing wrong with that but personally I don't think SS is going to be that guy. We shall see.

P.S. Watson looked decent today, but it's only preseason.

I do not understand the SS cult at all. What do they see that I don’t??? And how can you just allow yourself to hero-ize someone who’s shown literally nothing to deserve that? Nothing. Are you so stupid as to think the family name is going to simply automatically translate…?

I don’t know any personally so I can’t ask them. Are any of the regulars on this board SS culties that can speak to it? I need someone to explain it to me.

I think the best and first decision is to ignore the fans. Run your operation. Ignore their opinions. Seems deluded to believe we as fans have influence with this process. Do what you feel helps. Some of this seems far-fetched as to performance outcomes (deep in the playoffs and playing lights out). The rationale for the eventual decision will roll out. Like it or don't; pretty much the range of choices you will have. We looked lousy at times today. Lot of coaching will be needed. Poor choices here. For this we need a new stadium?

I need to make myself more clear.

"Taking Haslam out of the picture Berry hired Monken." (Haslam hired both). Berry accepted the job knowing he was fine with KS.

It goes without saying that the GM and HC work hand in hand.

The question is if Monken says neither guy won the job straight up. Neither guy won the job outright.

We could start either guy. What is the best move to make for the team?

"if DW is not clearly the guy to start then he should not start."

I agree about SS having a very cult like following and it being a distraction. I do wonder about Deion. You are correct that he has been a model citizen in that regard. I just wonder what that would look like if he didn't have the cult of Shedeur carrying that water for him?

Pretty much where I'm at. That "cult" can't just be ignored any longer, it's part of the package with SS. They boo other QBs (at practice!), they're unruly in the media (including social media), they truly believe the can be the tail that wags the dawg... or die trying.

I've seen some incredibly stupid arguments even among well respected media figures. I know players and FO say they "tune it out", but the simple fact is that a b/u QB is not worth the distraction.

It's crazy to me that we were all worried about daddy being the ringleader of the circus, Deion has been a model citizen in that regard.

Berry knew and wanted to work with Stefanksi or he never would have taken the job in the first place and had years to fire Stefanski if that's what he wanted to do. This wasn't a shotgun marriage.

What in the world makes you believe that Halsam had no role or part in the hiring of Monken? Do you seriously think Haslsm as owner at the very least didn't have input into the hire put is stamp of approval on it?

Of course they will pow wow.They probably already are. I have no idea why anyone would think that the GM and the HC didn't and or don't work hand and hand at pretty much every point of the process from preseason, to setting the 53 man roster to the regular season to the FA market to the draft. I know with each process one or the other has the final say but it's not as if both do not work together and have heavy input about most everything except possibly the handling of the salary cap and contract negotiations.

A GM needs to know what type of players a HC needs to run his system on both sides of the ball. The GM controls the purse strings and has to hear from the coach which needs are greatest. In no way, shape or form are the GM and HC disconnected at the hip.

Stefanski was hired before Berry was hired.

Taking Haslam out of the picture Berry hired Monken.

It has been clearly stated by Berry that Monken makes team decisions.

I wonder if after the pre-season game next week with the Bills that Monken and Berry pow-wow.

DW and SS both got their starts now it is decision time.

If the meeting with Berry happens and Monken says "I don't think either guy clearly won the battle."

What will they decide?

If in fact that is the outcome IMO they have to start SS. DW becomes the backup.

SS plays until injury or he falls flat and a change is obvious.

That is how this may go.

IMO if DW is not clearly the guy to start then he should not start.

Iran rejects Trump’s ‘delusions’ on making Strait of Hormuz a US territory

Iran on Saturday rejected President Trump’s assertion that he could declare the Strait of Hormuz a “territory of the United States,” saying the opening and closure of the key waterway will remain up to Iran’s control.

In a post on the social platform X, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said the U.S. has no authority to claim the strait, which has become a major flashpoint in the nearly six-month conflict.

“The Strait of Hormuz has been Iranian, is Iranian, and will remain Iranian,” he wrote in a post translated from Persian to English. “This strait will only be closed and opened under Iran’s command.”

He added that as long as the U.S. does “not accept the reality of defeat” and stop indulging in its “delusions,” Iran will continue to enforce its blockade of the crucial waterway carrying one-fifth of the world’s oil supply.

Trump floated the idea of taking control of the strait during a speech at a police academy in New York on Friday, despite the fact that it is currently under the shared jurisdiction of Iran and Oman.

“Pretty soon, I will be declaring the Hormuz Strait a territory of the United States,” he said.

Trump, who has twice deployed a U.S. naval blockade of the strait during the course of the conflict, has repeatedly reiterated this claim.

“We have control over it. Nobody else. Only us. Our Navy is unbelievable, and things are going great for our country,” he told reporters Tuesday.

Several observers have pushed back on Trump’s claim to the strait. Former U.S. diplomat Richard Haass insisted that no country is in control of the Strait of Hormuz, while Fox News host Bret Baier said that traffic through the waterway has slowed down “to a trickle” despite Trump’s claim.

About 20 percent of the world’s oil and gas passed through the strait prior to the start of the war on Feb. 28, 2026.

Traffic has dropped sharply since Iran moved to close the waterway after the U.S. and Israel launched its first attacks, causing global energy prices to surge.

Only six vessels traveled through the strait last weekend, according to ship-tracking firm Kpler, a fraction of the roughly 130 to 140 ships that typically crossed each day before the war.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/6031248-iran-rejects-trump-hormuz-claim/

I agree and have been saying much the same. We will draft a new QB unless SS wows us. If we do draft a QB he will be the guy for the next 3 years. There might be a competition in name only because you don't draft a QB #1 and not play him soon in to his career unless he is sitting behind a Aaron Rogers, which we don't have.

So, who make the best back-up for the team? SS or DG? I go DG every day of the week. SS on the bench would cause distractions. SS has a cult following which would be unbearable. I'd trade him for a 2030 6th rounder if that was the best I could get.

Watson probably isn't the future, but things could change that. If he plays and has a great season I don't think we would simply let him walk without trying to sign him. The odds say that won't happen, but I wouldn't say he isn't the future as an absolute.

If SS plays and the results are average. The Browns will draft a guy.

SS would need to take the Browns to the playoffs and look good doing it for them not to draft a guy.

So, they draft a guy. What happens to SS?

The Browns will determine if he would be a guy to keep as a backup. Would they rather keep Gabriel?

Questions that will answer themselves over time.

When they draft a guy will he become the starter next year? To be determined. Maybe they get a veteran.

This year will play out and the results will determine the moves to make next year.

Yes, because Watson is a 1 and done in terms of a season(s) remaining in Cleveland. No (s) needed. No plural. He is gone, or retired.

I have been using it more and more for work. What started this post was stuff I did for fun. There is coding that is used in my industry. I am familiar with it I have tried to do it. I understand it but never had the time to master it. With chatgpt and claude they write the code that I could not master and I use it to be more productive. It is a thing, use it to your advantage.

How about this scenario? Watson starts and plays "well" (don't ask me to define well right now, it's just a word I am using to make a point) The Brown have a slightly winning record half way through, then Watson gets hurts, his appendix burst, he catches diphtheria etc. and SS then starts. If he plays OK, but worse than Watson, do we know he isn't the answer? His supporters can't claim the talent around him isn't good enough or playcalling etc.

Will this confirm the need to draft someone else, or even a FA? Or do we need to have 25 games from SS before we look elsewhere?

House Republican says Congress ‘should do a little more’ for the rich

Wisconsin’s Glenn Grothman, up for re-election in November, says he believes more should be done to support America’s wealthiest citizens

Wisconsin Republican Rep. Glenn Grothman has argued that Congress “should do a little more” to help wealthy Americans.

The six-term congressman, 71, a Donald Trump loyalist, spoke up for neglected U.S. elites Thursday during a panel discussion on the economy in Troy, Michigan, with that state’s GOP gubernatorial candidate Rep. John James, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and other officials.

As the conversation pivoted to Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill, passed in July 2025, Grothman insisted the mammoth tax and sending initiative was intended to benefit “the average guy.”

“Don’t let anybody tell you that people running, uh, Congress right now are looking out for the rich,” he said.

“Actually, I think we should do a little more for them, but, you know, right now, uh, we are doing all we can to help the middle class, right?”

“If I was designing a tax cut for the rich, I wouldn’t talk about overtime,” he continued. “I wouldn’t talk about car loans, right? We are aimed at helping the average guy.”

The bill in question was strongly opposed by Democrats – who refused to vote through its cuts to assistance programs for low-income families, including Medicaid and free school meals – with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries delivering a near-nine-hour filibuster trying to prevent its passage.

It squeaked through anyway, passing the House 218-214 and the Senate 51-50 thanks to a tie-breaking vote from Vice President JD Vance, with not a single vote coming from the opposition and two Republican congressmen, Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie and Pennsylvania Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, refusing to back it.

CNN data analyst Harry Enten reported Saturday that Trump’s signature bill has since added $4 trillion to the national debt and ranked government spending as his fourth biggest area of declining support, saying his approval rating on that subject had dropped from 34 percent to just 12 percent.

“A 22 percent drop. Woof!” the commentator remarked, joking that the New York Yankees are more popular in Boston than Trump is trusted with the public purse.

Grothman is up for re-election in November’s midterms against Democratic challenger Brad Smith and is no stranger to controversial public statements.

During Joe Biden’s single term in May 2023, for instance, he complained on the House floor that the 46th president was not nominating enough straight “white guys” to be judges, saying only five of the 97 names he had put forward were caucasian males and that two of those were gay.

35 of the judges confirmed were white males.

When Biden was succeeded by Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential race, he suggested that opposition voters felt “they have to stick with her because of her ethnic background."

More recently, he has defended Trump’s now-scrapped “slush fund” to make payouts to alleged victims of “weaponization” by the Department of Justice and, speaking on Newsmax, delivered a Hall of Famer on Iran, declaring: “Sometimes they don’t act like they lost this war.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...q-wSNZ4oY0u6Q_aem_u3AXaHLNX96LJ4ZnEIoCxQ

And then those on the right seem shocked, outraged and confused why Democratic socialism is on the rise. As I've attempted to explain to them each action has an equal and opposite reaction. You think they would have known that by now.