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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bugs 07/18/26 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by bugs
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.

ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett.

And in the words of Freddie Kitchens, "whoopty-hell, alright."

55-81-1

That's Myles' record with the Browns. And we waited even longer for him to take over a game on the line than we did for LeBron to make a game winning shot.

I agree with Irish 100% on this one.

That's Interesting.

If we use T. J. Watt as an example, who is now 33 turns 34 in October.

# of Sacks
2025 (33) 7 sacks;
2024 (32) 19 sacks;
2023 (31) 10 sacks;
2022 (30) 5.5 sacks.

Can you explain your theory of how Garrett's numbers will diminish as he gets older, while Verse's numbers will increase to match or better? Ideally, I would like to see Verse equal Watt's numbers. For Garrett's skills to diminish to around 10-12 sacks a season, it would take a big drop-off. Playing for the Rams, he'll have way more offensive support, too.

Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day? Browns' defense was on the field longer than the offense. The defense kept the offense in the game, but the offense never scored.

LeBron took over games because he had help. He wasn't a one man show.
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Re: What If? bonefish 07/17/26 10:57 PM


I do not think DW can be measured as a 30 year old. IMO you have to look at his career to date.

Specifically at how he has played for the Browns and his injury history. I cannot see him getting more money from the Browns.

He would have to excel on a grand scale. It is unlikely.

The Browns are plotting their future. A new stadium is arriving in three years.

They are looking hard at the 27 draft.
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Re: What If? hitt 07/17/26 08:59 PM
Lots of discussion on who should be our starting QB- it is sad we haven't hit on a Qb we've wanted to keep for decades-- history, Brady was a 6th rounder, Purdy was last man taken- how do you get all time best Qb in 6th rnd, and Purdy is no slouch in my book--- this is WHAT IF-

WHAT IF Watson stays healthy and we win half our games---stats wise he has more height, longer arms, bigger hands than SS, he's been a real Pro Bowler, just not for us. He could ball out- he's only 30, he could be our Qb for a number of years......another reasonable contract- time will tell.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 06:44 PM
I don't see him giving speeches with no end goal in mind. We certainly saw how that played out on Jan. 6th. of 2021. Even in your own post you described what he was doing as getting his base to "froth at the mouth and get all emotional about it". That sounds so familiar.

I can't speak to how campaign ads are going in other states. But if I had to venture a guess I would say on the Republican side where candidates who won strongly supported trump it's most likely as it is here. Here in Tennessee their campaign ads look like they're trying to convince their voters that they're the trumpiest trumpains to have ever supported trump. I don't see it being an issue here. After the redistricting they pretty much insured no democrat could win the bid for the house and the senate. Even before that the only places to elect Democrats were heavily blue areas of the state who nobody expected Republicans to win anyway.

But in states where Republicans hold the majority of their statehouse, those purple states and districts that are heavily contested, I see withholding the certification of this election where democrats win a very real and strong possibility.

Too many times I've heard people make the claim that trump was just kidding, that nobody took what he said seriously or he was just saying things to own the libs. Then not long after those the very things he said, he did. And those riding his coattails followed his every wish. Supported his every move no matter what. Or as we see regularly on this very board, just ignored it all together.

At this point I'm not taking anything for granted.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/17/26 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
In all honesty I see the stage being set for Republican controlled states to refuse certifying the 2026 election results in states where they lose the election.

I'm no fan of Trump. I think what he's done with his second term is fairly despicable. But nothing we can't recover from and move on from.

If what you just wrote came to fruition it would be the beginning of the end. Putin would be laughing so so hard we would hear him in Alaska.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 03:41 PM
Or to make Jan. 6th look like a blip on the radar screen in comparison to what we will see if Democrats take back control of the House.

In all honesty I see the stage being set for Republican controlled states to refuse certifying the 2026 election results in states where they lose the election.
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Re: What If? bonefish 07/17/26 03:40 PM
In the end it is up to SS.

I posted a question just to see what it would say. I found the answer quite comprehensive.

However, nobody really knows. He has to play to find out.

Dan Orlovsky broke quarterbacks down into these categories.

1.0 quarterbacks you win with in spite of

2.0 quarterbacks you can win with.

3.0 quarterbacks you win because of.

I like that breakdown.

If the ceiling of SS is Gino Smith. He falls into the category of "you can win with." Kinda of like Baker.

Allen and Mahomes you win because of.

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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/17/26 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So it seems according to trump when both Obama and Biden were president the 2016 and 2024 elections were fair but the election that took place while trump was president in 2020 was rigged and stolen? I'm not sure I would want to admit that if I were him. I wonder what that means about the 2026 and 2028 elections? After all, he only thinks an election was rigged when he was president.

It's not even worth playing that game .... it's only Trumptards and people who seriously have no brain that believe the 2020 election was "stolen". There is overwhelming concrete proof that there is no mass voter fraud that can change the result of elections. It's scare tactic to get the MAGA tards to froth at the mouth and get all emotional about it.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 03:18 PM
So it seems according to trump when both Obama and Biden were president the 2016 and 2024 elections were fair but the election that took place while trump was president in 2020 was rigged and stolen? I'm not sure I would want to admit that if I were him. I wonder what that means about the 2026 and 2028 elections? After all, he only thinks an election was rigged when he was president.
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Re: What If? oobernoober 07/17/26 03:10 PM
With a late-round QB like that, I think you need to just need to get a feel for how/if he's going to develop. Is he developing in areas where he was determined lacking (hence the later draft selection)? If he is improving, where can we reasonably put his ceiling/floor?

I think you can start to look at some of that even as the rest of the offense is similarly in a state of flux.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 02:59 PM
Trump doubles down on US election attacks in his primetime speech

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump used a primetime address to the nation Thursday to elevate his yearslong push to raise doubts about the legitimacy of U.S. elections and dispute his 2020 loss in an appeal for more restrictive voting laws ahead of the midterms.

Trump’s amplification of debunked theories about the election six years ago and his inability to accept his loss led to one of the darker moments in American history when a mob of his supporters led a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in the final days of his first term.

Now back in power, Trump opted to revisit the subject, despite persistent voter concerns about the cost of living, American forces escalating strikes on Iran in a conflict for which there is no end in sight, and an immigration crackdown facing bipartisan scrutiny for its sometimes deadly tactics.

His address Thursday hinged on contradictions.

A twice-elected president complained about his one personal defeat, alleged a cover-up by officials in his own first administration and surfaced claims about countries attempting to harm his own prospects while staying silent on steps taken by other nations to boost him.

Trump used the remarks to justify his push to pass a strict voter ID bill in Congress that has not advanced because it lacks enough support from his fellow Republicans.

“America is back and doing really well, but we still have a major challenge that must be urgently addressed, because no country can be great without fair and honest elections,” he said.

Trump doesn’t raise doubts about his election wins

Trump began Thursday night with a stark warning about what he described as flaws in the voting system and said he was releasing previously classified documents related to the 2020 and 2018 elections, when he lost the presidential election and when his party suffered losses.

Trump’s speech presented allegations of interference and influence in ways that lacked key context and did not produce evidence that votes had been manipulated or that the election outcome had been altered.

Notably, Trump focused on China but glossed over Russia, a country that intelligence officials have said favored Trump in 2016 and 2020 and engaged in wide-ranging influence campaigns aimed at boosting him over Democrat Joe Biden in the latter campaign.

Despite focusing on China in his speech, Trump did not criticize or issue a warning to Chinese President Xi Jinping, whom he has long praised.

Election security experts say America’s decentralized voting system, with the power over elections residing with the states instead of the federal government, is a strength. Americans vote in more than 10,000 different jurisdictions with different rules, making the nations’ elections extraordinarily complicated but safe from widespread fraud.

No credible intelligence has emerged showing that the vote count in 2020 was manipulated by foreign actors. Repeated audits and reviews -- manyrun by Republicans, including Trump’s own then-attorney general -- have found no significant fraud occurred in 2020.

Even if substantiated, Trump’s claims did not amount to conduct that would have altered the outcome of any race, let alone the 2020 race for the White House.

He also did not raise doubts about his election wins in 2016 or 2024.

As Trump spoke, the White House unveiled a website containing documents that were presented without context and included selectively released pieces of investigation files, intelligence analysis and correspondence.

Former intelligence official calls address ‘dangerous’

Sue Gordon, principal deputy director of national intelligence in Trump’s first term, called the president’s address “a dangerous speech about an incredibly important topic.” She said the intelligence community throughout Trump’s first term was alarmed about foreign interference in elections, but Trump scoffed at them, angered at the investigation of his campaign’s relationship with Russia.

“He had an entire term to deal with it and I don’t know how you can believe how the same community that told him about it, that was excoriated about it” wouldn’t warn him in 2020, Gordon said on CNN.

Conservative commentator John Solomon, who joined the White House staff last month and was seated in the East Room for Trump’s speech, later told MS NOW that “the intelligence community has zero evidence that someone has flipped – that a foreign power flipped -- a vote in 2020, ‘22 or ’24.”

But, he added, “We’re not through all the documents.”

Trump urged the Justice Department to conduct investigations and prosecutions, though it was unclear from his speech what sort of criminal conduct — if any — could be identified, proven and charged.

In a contrast with his concerns about foreign interference in elections, Trump in his new budget proposes a $707 million cut in the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, the group charged with protecting American election systems from overseas cyberattacks. Trump and other conservatives have been frustrated that the organization pushed back on election claims in 2020 and beyond.

Some networks did not air it live

In past presidencies, primetime addresses have typically been reserved for major milestones or nationally significant events.

Trump last spoke to the nation in April, giving an address on the Iran war a month after it started. He said then that the U.S. would accomplish its objectives “very shortly” and that “the hard part is done, so it should be easy.” The war, however, has dragged on and strikes between the U.S. and Iran have intensified this week.

Trump also delivered a politically charged primetime speech in December in which he sought to blame the challenging economic climate on Democrats.

ABC, NBC and CNN did not air Thursday’s remarks live but carried them in full on their streaming services.

CBS and MS NOW both cut away from Trump’s speech before he finished, while Fox News continued to carry his address.

Trump called out the media outlets for not carrying it live, accused them of being “part of a plot” and suggested their broadcast licenses be revoked.

Networks typically — but not always — carry presidential addresses to the nation live. In 2022, when Biden delivered a primetime address full of warnings about Trump and his adherents’ “extreme ideology,” the networks did not carry it live.

In 2014, the major networks chose to stick with their primetime programming instead of airing an address by President Barack Obama on his plans for immigration reform.

Democrats accuse Trump of seeking to discredit next election

Democrats warned that Trump was trying to revive false claims of past stolen elections in order to delegitimize the 2026 midterm elections, in which Trump’s Republican Party is facing headwinds.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia called Trump’s claims “totally bogus.”

“The fact is our intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that China did not even try to change a single vote in the 2020 election,” Warner said in a statement on X. “A single concurring opinion suggested China may have tried to sway voters’ opinions … but that’s been public knowledge since 2021.”

Rep. Joseph Morelle of New York, the ranking Democrat on the administration committee that handles federal voting issues and elections, said Trump is trying to sow confusion before the midterm elections.

“This is a pretext for the president, I think, calling into dispute the 2026 elections,” Morelle said on C-SPAN, adding that “we have secure elections.”

“I heard no concrete allegations that foreign actors actually changed the results of an American election,” Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware said on CNN.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-primetime-address-elections-5c84a59dffc20c12ed2fcb822fa950c9

Donald Trump: 'I just want to find 11,780 votes’

The Washington Post has released a recording of US President Donald Trump telling Georgia's top election official to "find" enough votes to overturn the election result.

"I just want to find 11,780 votes," he told Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

In the full recording, Mr Raffensperger is heard replying that Georgia's results were correct.

Mr Biden won Georgia alongside other swing states, winning 306 electoral college votes to his Mr Trump's 232.

Since the 3 November vote, Mr Trump has been alleging widespread electoral fraud without providing any evidence.
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Re: What If? PitDAWG 07/17/26 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
I posted this question to Gemini AI.

Trying to be objective based upon all the data, all the scouting information, all the reports and everything there is to look at regarding the ceiling of Shedeur Sanders. What is it? Is it possible that this guy could be a franchise quarterback?

I believe the manner in which questions are framed often times makes things a little more murky than they may first appear. When you ask things such as "is it possible" that opens the door not based on likelihood. All draft picks are chosen based on potential. Thousands have been drafted on "what's possible". Most all "could have been" successful or even great NFL players had they have ever reached their full potential.

As for myself I don't really play around with AI. I've seen people who use it often say sometimes it's reliable and sometimes it's not. However, I do think that if you asked this question in the form of not what's possible, but based on the likelihood of Sanders becoming a franchise QB the answer may be quite different. I believe at the very least it would appear somewhat more objective.
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Re: What If? IrishDawg42 07/17/26 02:26 PM
I fear the bigger issue at hand is time. Can he develop, can the offensive line gel, can the WR room adapt to the professional game speed? I don't think Shedeur will be around long enough to reap the benefits of a QB that was drafted it the first round and given time for all the development to occur. He needs to sink or swim this year, which probably isn't fair, but with the recruit situation at QB, the Browns will be making a decision in April 2027 on QB. That will be reliant on what happens with Sanders in 2026.
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Re: More Music PitDAWG 07/17/26 02:22 PM


I'm appalled that stations all across this nation played this song on the public airwaves. Did nobody think of the children? rofl
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Re: Trump Promoted Companies on Truth Social Days After Buying Their Stocks PitDAWG 07/17/26 01:53 PM
If only you had any idea what that meant Joe McCarthy.
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Re: What If? bonefish 07/17/26 12:38 PM
I posted this question to Gemini AI.

Trying to be objective based upon all the data, all the scouting information, all the reports and everything there is to look at regarding the ceiling of Shedeur Sanders. What is it? Is it possible that this guy could be a franchise quarterback?

To answer objectively, we have to strip away both the "Coach Prime" hype and the excessive media criticism. By looking purely at his draft profile, his collegiate data at Colorado, and his rookie-year tape in Cleveland, a highly defined picture of Shedeur Sanders' NFL ceiling and potential as a franchise quarterback emerges.
WalterFootball

The Realistic Ceiling: A Precision-Based, Timing-Dependent Starter
When scouts talk about Shedeur’s absolute best-case scenario, the comparison that frequently surfaces is a player like Geno Smith or Tua Tagovailoa—and in terms of playstyle, a highly accurate, classic dropback distributor.
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The "Franchise QB" Blueprint (The Ceiling): Yes, it is entirely possible for him to be a franchise quarterback, but it is system-dependent. Shedeur is not a 6'5" physical freak with an elite arm cannon like Josh Allen, nor is he a rare dynamic runner who will break off 60-yard runs. His path to being a franchise quarterback relies on being an elite point guard.
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The Ultimate Best-Case Comp: A high-end starter who wins with extreme pre-snap intelligence, elite short-to-intermediate ball placement, and lightning-quick processing inside a rhythmic, play-action-heavy offense.
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Why He Can Reach That Ceiling (The Strengths)
Shedeur’s raw passing data shows elite traits in areas that transfer directly to NFL success:

Elite Base Accuracy: At Colorado, he completed 74% of his passes, boasting one of the lowest uncatchable-pass rates in college football. His ball placement in tight windows on intermediate in-breaking routes is NFL-caliber.
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Exceptional Turnover Avoidance: Despite playing behind a severely struggling offensive line at Colorado, Sanders registered a microscopic 1.3% turnover-worthy play rate. He does not panic-throw into double coverage when things break down.
PFF

Advanced Footwork & Poise: Having been coached meticulously from a young age, his dropback mechanics, knee bend, and throwing base are incredibly clean and disciplined.
CBS Sports

Mental Toughness & Preparation: Scouts consistently praise his football IQ and his absolute fearlessness. He will stand in a muddy pocket, accept a massive hit, and still deliver an accurate strike.
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What Limits His Ceiling (The Red Flags)
The reasons draft pundits often projected his ceiling as more of a "high-floor, limited-ceiling" starter boil down to three main flaws:

Average Arm Strength: He doesn't possess elite, raw velocity. Deep outs and deep-ball throws require touch and anticipation because he cannot simply "out-throw" tight NFL coverage with pure zip.
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Processing Speeds vs. "Superman" Sacks: Sanders has a severe habit of holding onto the ball too long. At Colorado, he frequently invited pressure and took excessive sacks because he preferred to wait for a big play downfield rather than taking his check-downs. This was apparent in his rookie season in Cleveland, where he took a high volume of sacks and struggled under pressure.
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Under-Center Transition: The college offense he ran was almost exclusively out of the shotgun (taking only eight snaps from under center across four college years). Adjusting to traditional pro-style footwork and turning his back to the defense on play-action takes time.
CBS Sports

The Verdict
Can he be a franchise quarterback? Yes, but with caveats.

Shedeur does not have the "eraser" traits of a Patrick Mahomes—meaning he is highly unlikely to elevate a bad roster or a chaotic offensive scheme on his own. However, if paired with a creative play-designer (like Kellen Moore or Sean McVay) and protected by a stable offensive line, his elite accuracy, high football IQ, and situational toughness give him a legitimate path to being a top-12, highly productive franchise starter.
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Re: Trump Promoted Companies on Truth Social Days After Buying Their Stocks Ballpeen 07/17/26 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by Lyuokdea
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
He probably talked to Paul Pelosi, the greatest stock trader in history.

What office was Paul Pelosi elected to again? This sounds so desperate and lame. What happened to you man? You used to stand for personal responsibility. Then along came trump......

Ballpeen was a much different person 15 years ago...

Different only in that we didn't have many people switching to communist views.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies Pdawg 07/17/26 01:26 AM
I don’t know if he talked about debunked conspiracy theories. I couldn’t last through the first sentences he spoke.
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Re: Fun with ai 3rd_and_20 07/16/26 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Any good paying profession that can't be replaced with AI will work. Because if they can be replaced with AI, they will be. That's the actual goal here.

Yep. Same with robotics/robots replacing humans. At Amazon, where I work, we know the day will come, sooner or later.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies northlima dawg 07/16/26 09:31 PM
Who do you think peen is talking about in the first line? Mickey Mouse
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Re: Trump Promoted Companies on Truth Social Days After Buying Their Stocks Lyuokdea 07/16/26 08:48 PM
Trump will Sell Banks "Fastest Access" To His Truth Social Posts

https://www.reuters.com/technology/...-tracking-truth-social-posts-2026-07-16/

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July 16 (Reuters) - Trump Media & Technology Group has unveiled a paid-for, licensed data feed that will give banks ​and trading firms "the fastest" access to posts from influential Truth Social ‌accounts, such as President Donald Trump's, whose posts often move global markets.
The product, called 'Truth API', will deliver posts from the 10 most influential accounts to customers at a significantly ​faster pace than a regular push notification on the Truth Social ​platform, a spokesperson said.

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The feed is designed for organizations "most impacted by ⁠the cost of a delay in information", such as algorithmic trading firms, ​the company said in a statement. "Until now... firms that prioritize tracking influential Truth ​posts have relied on manual monitoring. Truth API closes the gap."
The move is TMTG's first step into data-licensing, and opens up a new revenue stream for the company, which ​has faced challenges in scaling its media business amid stiff competition from ​larger social media firms.
"Markets already move on Truth Social posts ... As adoption grows, we expect ‌Truth ⁠API to become a meaningful, ongoing source of revenue for the company," TMTG's interim CEO Kevin McGurn said.
Trump has made several announcements through his Truth Social handle that have jolted markets worldwide, including his "Liberation Day" tariffs and posts ​regarding trade restrictions on ​China, making the ⁠platform a crucial feed for traders, businesses and financial institutions.
The product will provide round-the-clock coverage of influential posts and ​include an archive of posts dating back to 2022. ​The company ⁠said it has already signed up customers ahead of the August 1 launch.
Firms have been scraping Truth Social data for months, in violation of TMTG's terms of ⁠service, ​according to a spokesperson.
"We're going to create a ​lot of friction for those folks that aren't coming to us directly," McGurn said in a ​statement.
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Re: The Dems... again mgh888 07/16/26 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Anyone forced to read ^ that mess ^ would find their reading comprehension is "slipping".

You attacked his character as soon as the post appeared. Own it.

So not only did you make two faux pas with your reading comprehension. You added a 3rd (while trying to pass by on the first two swings and misses)

My comment was "Frank Said so - it must be true" ... that's not an attack on someone's character. Not unless you really try to twist things and go all snowflakery on me.

You're 0-3 today. Move along.
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Re: The Dems... again MemphisBrownie 07/16/26 08:03 PM
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Re: The Dems... again PitDAWG 07/16/26 07:46 PM
You can purchase a pearl necklace at any local jewelry store in America. Millions of women own one and wear them. If the first thing your child takes away from the reference of "pearl necklace" is the one you chose to mention maybe people should be more careful about who their child is communicating with. #triggered #snowflake
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