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Re: Myles Garrett Traded mgh888 07/19/26 08:14 AM
Highlighting the deficiency of the offense while having (possibly) the best defensive player in the NFL, certainly the most dominant DE, only highlights why it makes sense to trade him now in order to have the ability to fix the side of the ball he has nothing to do with. Whether anyone wants to admit this or not - Browns are rebuilding: In another season + MG will be older an less valuable in a trade, we won't win more games with MG because as posters have shown, he cannot win games by himself, it is highly likely we will need to draft a rookie QB to solve that position because what we have on the roster in 2026 is a long long shot to be 'the solution' ... Rookie QB means that (most probably) 2027 is also a building year. The fact we got back a very good player in the same position, younger and under contract, means none of the draft capital needs to be spent on filling the void he leaves. It was a good trade even if you didn't want to lose MG - it was a great trade as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/19/26 07:55 AM
So to be clear - you have not said anything. You've talked about how you feel (that it allegedly makes no sense).

Facts are: There was no mass voter fraud. The voter fraud that did occur was nearly an equal split between R and D voters - the R voters actually have a narrow lead. This has been proven over and over by R states doing their own investigation and by the courts - overwhelmingly and conclusively.

As for why Biden got more votes than Trump - you only have to look at how unpopular and divisive Trump was. In addition to that, then look at VOTER TURN OUT. 21 million more people voted in 2020 than they did in 2012 ... any logical guess as to who most of them probably voted for? They didn't all vote for Biden I am sure - but in 2020 there were 22% more voters as a % of the 2012 number. . . . So it makes perfect sense if you want to actually look at it logically.

So either say something in black and white and that you think the election was stolen or accept the facts.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? mgh888 07/19/26 07:48 AM
"Fighting climate change is the responsibility of all countries, including the United States," Carney told reporters.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, whose province is battling out-of-control wildfires, was more direct.

"I truly believe the Americans are good neighbors," he said Friday. "If there's some politicians out there chirping away, well, maybe what you should do rather than complain is send support, send help, because we have done the exact same thing for our American friends."
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 07/18/26 07:53 PM
Over the last five seasons, their average points allowed per year are as follows:

2025: 22.3

2024: 25.6

2023: 21.3

2022: 22.4

2021: 21.8

The Cleveland Browns' average points per game scored over those same five seasons are:

16.4 PPG in 2025

15.2 PPG in 2024

23.3 PPG in 2023

21.2 PPG in 2022

20.5 PPG in 2021

In 2023 which is the only season out of the last five the Browns scored more than an average of 21.3 points per game and the offense averaged scoring more points than the defense allowed, the season record was an 11-6. Which is the last time they made the playoffs.

You can try and breakdown at what point in the game points were given up if you wish. Even though you didn't actually make an attempt to do that. But the fact of the matter is this offense hasn't been able to score enough points to win games on a regular basis.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? northlima dawg 07/18/26 07:25 PM
I hope all you magats that wanted to save a few bucks by not tracking Cyclospora by cutting FoodNet are enjoying eating lettuce rinsed with human crap water.
Who needs regulations
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward northlima dawg 07/18/26 07:15 PM
https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-hormuz-strait-war-july-18-2026-5adfef67554652580963684d9a663af2



US military says 2 troops are dead and 1 is missing after Iran attacks a base in Jordan



By JON GAMBRELL, TOQA EZZIDIN and KONSTANTIN TOROPIN
Updated 2:06 PM EDT, July 18, 2026
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The U.S. military on Saturday announced its first troop deaths due to direct Iranian fire since the opening days of the war, saying two were killed and another was missing in an attack on a base in Jordan.

They were killed Friday as the U.S. and partner forces defended against ballistic missile and drone attacks, a statement said. Four other service members were medically evacuated to Jordanian hospitals and later discharged. The dead were not identified.

Since the war began, 16 U.S. service members have been killed and over 430 wounded.

Minutes earlier, Iran’s supreme leader warned of “unforgettable lessons” if the U.S. keeps attacking the Islamic Republic. The remarks read out on state TV and attributed to Mojtaba Khamenei, still unseen since the war began, also called President Donald Trump’s signature “worthless and invalid.”

The comments came hours after a negotiator said Tehran was suspending its commitments to the interim deal signed about a month ago and aimed at permanently ending the fighting.


Tehran’s declarations snapped another fragile thread as the war shows no end in sight. Now Khamenei warns of “lessons” not only from Iran but its armed proxies in the region, calling them the “Axis of Resistance.”

The battle over the Strait of Hormuz has intensified in a conflict increasingly focused on control of the essential waterway that previously carried a fifth of the world’s crude oil. The strikes threaten civilians and infrastructure, including desalination plants for drinking water, while the global economy again is on alert.


The U.S. has violated its commitments under the deal that was signed about a month ago and now Iran is “no longer implementing them,” Kazem Gharibabadi, Iran’s deputy foreign minister, told state TV.

There was no new word on mediation efforts.

Kuwait sees the most striking damage
The most significant damage from Iranian strikes on Saturday occurred in Kuwait, where a water desalination plant and an oil facility were hit, according to the Kuwait authorities and the Kuwait Petroleum Corporation. Both declined to provide locations.

The strikes injured several people at the oil facility and caused a fire at the desalination plant, forcing several power generation units offline. It was the second attack against a desalination plant in two days in the tiny desert nation that depends on desalination for 90% of its drinking water.


Several firefighters and a worker were injured while battling two other blazes sparked by Iranian strikes, according to the Kuwait Fire Force. Kuwait briefly closed its airspace due to missile threats, and Kuwait Airways said it was rescheduling most flights to and from the capital.

Meanwhile, Iraq said it shot down attack drones over the city of Irbil. Jordan’s state-run Petra news agency said the kingdom’s air defense systems had downed Iranian missiles, while air sirens sounded multiple times in Bahrain throughout the day and in Saudi Arabia in the morning, according to their governments.

The secretary general of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council, Jasem Mohamed al-Budaiwi, accused Iran of war crimes for strikes on infrastructure and civilian facilities.



US strikes hit infrastructure in Iran
The U.S. Central Command said early Saturday that its seventh straight night of strikes hit “surveillance sites, military logistics infrastructure, underground weapons storage, and maritime capabilities.”

U.S. airstrikes hit an electricity and desalination plant in Iran’s southern Hormozgan province, Iranian state TV reported. IRNA said the Bonji desalination plant was destroyed, cutting off water supplies to about 10,000 people, and that a desalination plant on strategic Qeshm Island inside the strait was damaged.

Overnight strikes damaged two tunnels and a bridge, disrupting one of the main highways toward Bandar Abbas, Iran’s main port that sits near the narrowest part of the strait, according to Iran’s state-run news agency. IRNA said three bridges were hit Saturday, including one on a route to Bandar Abbas.


Iran acknowledged “attacks on power infrastructure” during the U.S. airstrikes for the first time Friday when its Energy Ministry issued a call for people to use less power in southern provinces “experiencing extreme heat.” It did not specify what was hit.

Iranian authorities said at least 50 people have been killed and more than 500 wounded in U.S. strikes in the past three weeks, including eight killed in a strike on a bridge Friday.



Iran effectively closed the strait to shipping traffic after the war started with U.S. and Israeli strikes on Feb. 28. That sent the price of oil soaring and has given Tehran significant leverage in negotiations.

Iran has said the strait must be under its sole control and that vessels should pay fees to Tehran, even though the world for decades has considered it an international waterway. It fired on ships on recent days. Crossings through the strait fell to a three-week low, according to an international shipping tracker.

Trump has resumed threats to target power stations and bridges to try to compel Iran to loosen its hold. The U.S. in the past week reimposed a naval blockade on Iranian ports to halt its shipments of crude oil.


A growing amount of the region’s energy is being shipped through pipelines, but not nearly enough to offset the decline in shipping.

Before the war began, the U.S. had been in talks with Iran over its nuclear program. Trump now faces political pressure to end the war and avoid the kind of prolonged Middle East conflict he had campaigned against.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Steubenvillian 07/18/26 06:34 PM
Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day?"

While I agree somewhat with this statement, How many times did the offense have a lead in the fourth quarter, and the defense let teams go right down the field and score? Myles is generational player, he was also coddled by the coaching staff. How many days off did he have during a season, while other players practiced? I don't care if he still produced, that is not a team leader. How many off season workouts did he attend? While many other vets were present at all of them. While he was a great player, I can't think of many times that he was the reason for a win. Over the past few years, the defense gave away wins just as much as the bad offense. Myles has always been about himself
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/18/26 03:09 PM
It makes perfect sense. That was due to outrage and backlash over trump's first term. Independent voters always decide elections. All one needs to do is look at the voter rolls and the percentages. The problem became how the Democrats kept supporting Biden even after he made it obvious he was no longer fit for the office and Kamala was unpopular among Independent voters. There is also the fact Republicans did a very good job selling the idea that the inflation that was a global issue do to supply chains and businesses closing down was somehow Biden's fault.

And before you claim this isn't true I would like for you to explain one thing.

If that isn't true why do we have purple states? Why do we have states that shift back and forth from party to party on any given election if Independent voters don't decide elections?

Sure, you have solid GOP states and solid Dem states, but that won't explain states that fluctuate back and forth. And if you wish to talk about winning with a very unpopular VP candidate you forgot to mention Vance. The question isn't if both were unpopular, the question is unpopular to whom? And let's be honest here, nobody casts their vote based on who the VP candidate is.
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Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 07/18/26 02:56 PM
The other thread is on page 14 so.......

From the head wing nut, again as per usual......

Trump threatens Canada with higher tariffs over wildfire smoke

President Trump on Friday threatened additional tariffs on Canada for wildfires that have blanketed large parts of the Midwest and East Coast in smoke in recent days, blaming the U.S.' northern neighbor for failing to contain the blazes.

"We are holding Canada responsible for the fact that they are not properly maintaining their Forests, and Brush therein, and the United States is being unnecessarily invaded by filthy, polluted, and unhealthy air, the quality of which is dangerous, and totally unacceptable!" the president wrote on Truth Social, accusing Canada of "Willful Negligence."

He went on to write that the problem is "costing the United States Billions of Dollars, which cost of this pollution must of necessity be added to the TARIFFS Canada is currently paying."

Mr. Trump said he would discuss the matter with Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney.

Asked about the president's comments, Carney's office referred CBS News to a statement from Canadian Minister of Emergency Management Eleanor Olszewski that said the country is "working with urgency alongside provincial and territorial partners." She also said Canada has spent billions of dollars on forest fire prevention in recent years.

"Canada and the United States have a long history of working together to fight wildfires on both sides of the border — it is a history that both countries benefit from and that we are building on during this challenging wildfire season," Olszewski wrote in her statement, pointing to Canadian firefighters' role in assisting with last year's Los Angeles wildfires.

Earlier this week, U.S. Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra also praised the "outstanding cooperation between the United States and Canada" in fighting the "shared challenge" of wildfires. On Friday, Hoekstra shared Mr. Trump's social media post criticizing Canada.

Mr. Trump has had a tense relationship with Canada due to trade, NATO, a dispute over a Detroit-area bridge and Mr. Trump's threats to make Canada the U.S.' 51st state.

The Trump administration's tariffs on goods from Canada — the second-largest U.S. trading partner — currently stand at 10%, though most Canadian imports are exempt because they comply with the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, a trade deal signed during Mr. Trump's first term. The president's ability to levy tariffs was constrained by a Supreme Court ruling earlier this year that blocked him from using an economic emergency powers law.

Mr. Trump's latest broadside against Canada comes as hundreds of wildfires burn there, causing smoke to blow into the New York City, Chicago, Detroit and D.C. areas, leading to severe air quality issues. Wildfires are also burning in Minnesota.

Some GOP lawmakers have blamed the Canadian government. Four Michigan Republicans penned a letter to Carney this week that said "our patience has run out," accusing Canada of "chronic under-investment in forest thinning, fuel reduction, and prescribed burns."

"This is the third consecutive year we have had to write to Canadian officials about a crisis that Canada has the tools to prevent and has chosen not to," said Reps. John James, Lisa McClain, John Moolenaar and Jack Bergman, adding: "Our constituents are breathing the consequences of this failure right now, and they deserve better than to be told, again, that it will be handled."

GOP Sen. Bernie Moreno of Ohio floated sanctions against Canada. And Republican Rep. Nick Langworthy of upstate New York wrote on X that "there should be consequences" if Canada fails to take "meaningful action" to prevent future wildfires.

Carney briefly addressed the lawmakers' criticism on Thursday by noting the role of climate change in extreme weather and chiding the United States for backing away from clean energy.

"Fighting climate change is the responsibility of all countries, including the United States," Carney told reporters.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, whose province is battling out-of-control wildfires, was more direct.

"I truly believe the Americans are good neighbors," he said Friday. "If there's some politicians out there chirping away, well, maybe what you should do rather than complain is send support, send help, because we have done the exact same thing for our American friends."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tariffs-canada-wildfire-smoke/

Remember that one time Trump blamed Newsom and California for not maintaining their forests properly being the cause for California wildfires and then we all found out that the federal government actually owns and controls more than 50% of those forests? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies WSU Willie 07/18/26 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
I guess my question is - is there really ANYONE on the planet that believes Trump won the 2020 election?

Everything else is posturing and trolling.

I only know what I have access to read or listen-to...but I do know/believe this:

Biden ran with an exceptionally unpopular VP choice in Kamala. Yet he received 15% more votes than did Obama running with Biden as his VP. That makes no sense.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/18/26 02:26 PM


Trump's effort to get state voter rolls hits a brick wall in courts

The opposition to the Trump DOJ's demands is bipartisan. Some GOP states are fighting to protect personal voter info and 7 of 15 District Court judges who rejected the requests are Trump appointees.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...voter-rolls-rejected-courts/90899267007/

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

By its terms, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, referred to as the Elections Clause, contemplates that state legislatures will establish the times, places, and manner of holding elections for the House of Representatives and the Senate, subject to Congress making or altering such state regulations (except as to the place of choosing Senators).1 The Supreme Court has interpreted the Elections Clause expansively, enabling states "to provide a complete code for congressional elections, not only as to times and places, but in relation to notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices, counting of votes, duties of inspectors and canvassers, and making and publication of election returns."2 The Court has further recognized the states’ ability to establish sanctions for violating election laws3 as well as authority over recounts4 and primaries.5 The Elections Clause, however, does not govern voter qualifications, which under Article I, Section 2, Clause 1, and the Seventeenth Amendment must be the same as the "Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislatures."6 Similarly, the authority of states to establish the "Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives" does not include authority to impose additional qualification requirements to be a Member of the House of Representatives or a Senator, which are governed by the Constitution’s Qualification Clauses at Article I, Section 2, Clause 2 for Members of the House and at Article I, Section 3, Clause 3 for the Senate.7

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies Damanshot 07/18/26 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I wouldn't write things off as stupid until we hear what he says and offers. If you are already sure there isn't fraud, don't watch.

I think the proofs he might offer has to do with Georgia and Fulton county and LA country in the recent mayor elections. You have to admit that in the LA elections, the vast majority went to the 3rd place candidate. Bass won the popular vote but after the late returning mail-ins she and Pratt barely got a vote. The woman in 3rd place got all, to just barely edge Pratt for the general election bid.

Statically, that is next to impossible. The later returns should have at least somewhat mirrored the initial returns. Even if they say late returns are generally for democrats(I wonder why) Bass should have still received the majority of those votes, but she didn't.


There was attempted fraud... That is pretty much a Given..,, I remember one candidate asking for "11,780 votes"! That was a clear as day attempt at fraud. Other than that, Wasn't it the Heritage foundation has determined that over the last 30 or more years, there has been 77 times that a person not eligible to vote actually voted..... 77 times Out of how many millions? Yikes,,,

Having listened to Trump on Thursday, I still haven't seen any proof of significant fraud..... I do believe that China and Russia probably did try to interfere., But to what result, I'm not sure.. It could be said that the only reason Trump won in 2016 was because of outside interference.. That didn't help him in 2020 because of the shear numbers of folks that voted for Biden. As for 2024, I'd think that a Billionaire Spending upwards of $230 million on Trumps campaign might have had an effect..

By the way, That's a problem we can fix.. Stop Citizens United.. Stop the Big Donors... To Any Party or person.. While we are at it, Bring back the Fairness doctrine.,.,..
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Re: More Music GMdawg 07/18/26 10:45 AM
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bugs 07/18/26 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by bugs
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.

ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett.

And in the words of Freddie Kitchens, "whoopty-hell, alright."

55-81-1

That's Myles' record with the Browns. And we waited even longer for him to take over a game on the line than we did for LeBron to make a game winning shot.

I agree with Irish 100% on this one.

That's Interesting.

If we use T. J. Watt as an example, who is now 33 turns 34 in October.

# of Sacks
2025 (33) 7 sacks;
2024 (32) 19 sacks;
2023 (31) 10 sacks;
2022 (30) 5.5 sacks.

Can you explain your theory of how Garrett's numbers will diminish as he gets older, while Verse's numbers will increase to match or better? Ideally, I would like to see Verse equal Watt's numbers. For Garrett's skills to diminish to around 10-12 sacks a season, it would take a big drop-off. Playing for the Rams, he'll have way more offensive support, too.

Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day? Browns' defense was on the field longer than the offense. The defense kept the offense in the game, but the offense never scored.

LeBron took over games because he had help. He wasn't a one man show.
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Re: What If? bonefish 07/17/26 10:57 PM


I do not think DW can be measured as a 30 year old. IMO you have to look at his career to date.

Specifically at how he has played for the Browns and his injury history. I cannot see him getting more money from the Browns.

He would have to excel on a grand scale. It is unlikely.

The Browns are plotting their future. A new stadium is arriving in three years.

They are looking hard at the 27 draft.
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Re: What If? hitt 07/17/26 08:59 PM
Lots of discussion on who should be our starting QB- it is sad we haven't hit on a Qb we've wanted to keep for decades-- history, Brady was a 6th rounder, Purdy was last man taken- how do you get all time best Qb in 6th rnd, and Purdy is no slouch in my book--- this is WHAT IF-

WHAT IF Watson stays healthy and we win half our games---stats wise he has more height, longer arms, bigger hands than SS, he's been a real Pro Bowler, just not for us. He could ball out- he's only 30, he could be our Qb for a number of years......another reasonable contract- time will tell.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 06:44 PM
I don't see him giving speeches with no end goal in mind. We certainly saw how that played out on Jan. 6th. of 2021. Even in your own post you described what he was doing as getting his base to "froth at the mouth and get all emotional about it". That sounds so familiar.

I can't speak to how campaign ads are going in other states. But if I had to venture a guess I would say on the Republican side where candidates who won strongly supported trump it's most likely as it is here. Here in Tennessee their campaign ads look like they're trying to convince their voters that they're the trumpiest trumpains to have ever supported trump. I don't see it being an issue here. After the redistricting they pretty much insured no democrat could win the bid for the house and the senate. Even before that the only places to elect Democrats were heavily blue areas of the state who nobody expected Republicans to win anyway.

But in states where Republicans hold the majority of their statehouse, those purple states and districts that are heavily contested, I see withholding the certification of this election where democrats win a very real and strong possibility.

Too many times I've heard people make the claim that trump was just kidding, that nobody took what he said seriously or he was just saying things to own the libs. Then not long after those the very things he said, he did. And those riding his coattails followed his every wish. Supported his every move no matter what. Or as we see regularly on this very board, just ignored it all together.

At this point I'm not taking anything for granted.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/17/26 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
In all honesty I see the stage being set for Republican controlled states to refuse certifying the 2026 election results in states where they lose the election.

I'm no fan of Trump. I think what he's done with his second term is fairly despicable. But nothing we can't recover from and move on from.

If what you just wrote came to fruition it would be the beginning of the end. Putin would be laughing so so hard we would hear him in Alaska.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 03:41 PM
Or to make Jan. 6th look like a blip on the radar screen in comparison to what we will see if Democrats take back control of the House.

In all honesty I see the stage being set for Republican controlled states to refuse certifying the 2026 election results in states where they lose the election.
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Re: What If? bonefish 07/17/26 03:40 PM
In the end it is up to SS.

I posted a question just to see what it would say. I found the answer quite comprehensive.

However, nobody really knows. He has to play to find out.

Dan Orlovsky broke quarterbacks down into these categories.

1.0 quarterbacks you win with in spite of

2.0 quarterbacks you can win with.

3.0 quarterbacks you win because of.

I like that breakdown.

If the ceiling of SS is Gino Smith. He falls into the category of "you can win with." Kinda of like Baker.

Allen and Mahomes you win because of.

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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies mgh888 07/17/26 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So it seems according to trump when both Obama and Biden were president the 2016 and 2024 elections were fair but the election that took place while trump was president in 2020 was rigged and stolen? I'm not sure I would want to admit that if I were him. I wonder what that means about the 2026 and 2028 elections? After all, he only thinks an election was rigged when he was president.

It's not even worth playing that game .... it's only Trumptards and people who seriously have no brain that believe the 2020 election was "stolen". There is overwhelming concrete proof that there is no mass voter fraud that can change the result of elections. It's scare tactic to get the MAGA tards to froth at the mouth and get all emotional about it.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 03:18 PM
So it seems according to trump when both Obama and Biden were president the 2016 and 2024 elections were fair but the election that took place while trump was president in 2020 was rigged and stolen? I'm not sure I would want to admit that if I were him. I wonder what that means about the 2026 and 2028 elections? After all, he only thinks an election was rigged when he was president.
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Re: What If? oobernoober 07/17/26 03:10 PM
With a late-round QB like that, I think you need to just need to get a feel for how/if he's going to develop. Is he developing in areas where he was determined lacking (hence the later draft selection)? If he is improving, where can we reasonably put his ceiling/floor?

I think you can start to look at some of that even as the rest of the offense is similarly in a state of flux.
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Re: Trump will speak on elections in primetime address after pushing debunked conspiracies PitDAWG 07/17/26 02:59 PM
Trump doubles down on US election attacks in his primetime speech

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump used a primetime address to the nation Thursday to elevate his yearslong push to raise doubts about the legitimacy of U.S. elections and dispute his 2020 loss in an appeal for more restrictive voting laws ahead of the midterms.

Trump’s amplification of debunked theories about the election six years ago and his inability to accept his loss led to one of the darker moments in American history when a mob of his supporters led a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in the final days of his first term.

Now back in power, Trump opted to revisit the subject, despite persistent voter concerns about the cost of living, American forces escalating strikes on Iran in a conflict for which there is no end in sight, and an immigration crackdown facing bipartisan scrutiny for its sometimes deadly tactics.

His address Thursday hinged on contradictions.

A twice-elected president complained about his one personal defeat, alleged a cover-up by officials in his own first administration and surfaced claims about countries attempting to harm his own prospects while staying silent on steps taken by other nations to boost him.

Trump used the remarks to justify his push to pass a strict voter ID bill in Congress that has not advanced because it lacks enough support from his fellow Republicans.

“America is back and doing really well, but we still have a major challenge that must be urgently addressed, because no country can be great without fair and honest elections,” he said.

Trump doesn’t raise doubts about his election wins

Trump began Thursday night with a stark warning about what he described as flaws in the voting system and said he was releasing previously classified documents related to the 2020 and 2018 elections, when he lost the presidential election and when his party suffered losses.

Trump’s speech presented allegations of interference and influence in ways that lacked key context and did not produce evidence that votes had been manipulated or that the election outcome had been altered.

Notably, Trump focused on China but glossed over Russia, a country that intelligence officials have said favored Trump in 2016 and 2020 and engaged in wide-ranging influence campaigns aimed at boosting him over Democrat Joe Biden in the latter campaign.

Despite focusing on China in his speech, Trump did not criticize or issue a warning to Chinese President Xi Jinping, whom he has long praised.

Election security experts say America’s decentralized voting system, with the power over elections residing with the states instead of the federal government, is a strength. Americans vote in more than 10,000 different jurisdictions with different rules, making the nations’ elections extraordinarily complicated but safe from widespread fraud.

No credible intelligence has emerged showing that the vote count in 2020 was manipulated by foreign actors. Repeated audits and reviews -- manyrun by Republicans, including Trump’s own then-attorney general -- have found no significant fraud occurred in 2020.

Even if substantiated, Trump’s claims did not amount to conduct that would have altered the outcome of any race, let alone the 2020 race for the White House.

He also did not raise doubts about his election wins in 2016 or 2024.

As Trump spoke, the White House unveiled a website containing documents that were presented without context and included selectively released pieces of investigation files, intelligence analysis and correspondence.

Former intelligence official calls address ‘dangerous’

Sue Gordon, principal deputy director of national intelligence in Trump’s first term, called the president’s address “a dangerous speech about an incredibly important topic.” She said the intelligence community throughout Trump’s first term was alarmed about foreign interference in elections, but Trump scoffed at them, angered at the investigation of his campaign’s relationship with Russia.

“He had an entire term to deal with it and I don’t know how you can believe how the same community that told him about it, that was excoriated about it” wouldn’t warn him in 2020, Gordon said on CNN.

Conservative commentator John Solomon, who joined the White House staff last month and was seated in the East Room for Trump’s speech, later told MS NOW that “the intelligence community has zero evidence that someone has flipped – that a foreign power flipped -- a vote in 2020, ‘22 or ’24.”

But, he added, “We’re not through all the documents.”

Trump urged the Justice Department to conduct investigations and prosecutions, though it was unclear from his speech what sort of criminal conduct — if any — could be identified, proven and charged.

In a contrast with his concerns about foreign interference in elections, Trump in his new budget proposes a $707 million cut in the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, the group charged with protecting American election systems from overseas cyberattacks. Trump and other conservatives have been frustrated that the organization pushed back on election claims in 2020 and beyond.

Some networks did not air it live

In past presidencies, primetime addresses have typically been reserved for major milestones or nationally significant events.

Trump last spoke to the nation in April, giving an address on the Iran war a month after it started. He said then that the U.S. would accomplish its objectives “very shortly” and that “the hard part is done, so it should be easy.” The war, however, has dragged on and strikes between the U.S. and Iran have intensified this week.

Trump also delivered a politically charged primetime speech in December in which he sought to blame the challenging economic climate on Democrats.

ABC, NBC and CNN did not air Thursday’s remarks live but carried them in full on their streaming services.

CBS and MS NOW both cut away from Trump’s speech before he finished, while Fox News continued to carry his address.

Trump called out the media outlets for not carrying it live, accused them of being “part of a plot” and suggested their broadcast licenses be revoked.

Networks typically — but not always — carry presidential addresses to the nation live. In 2022, when Biden delivered a primetime address full of warnings about Trump and his adherents’ “extreme ideology,” the networks did not carry it live.

In 2014, the major networks chose to stick with their primetime programming instead of airing an address by President Barack Obama on his plans for immigration reform.

Democrats accuse Trump of seeking to discredit next election

Democrats warned that Trump was trying to revive false claims of past stolen elections in order to delegitimize the 2026 midterm elections, in which Trump’s Republican Party is facing headwinds.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia called Trump’s claims “totally bogus.”

“The fact is our intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that China did not even try to change a single vote in the 2020 election,” Warner said in a statement on X. “A single concurring opinion suggested China may have tried to sway voters’ opinions … but that’s been public knowledge since 2021.”

Rep. Joseph Morelle of New York, the ranking Democrat on the administration committee that handles federal voting issues and elections, said Trump is trying to sow confusion before the midterm elections.

“This is a pretext for the president, I think, calling into dispute the 2026 elections,” Morelle said on C-SPAN, adding that “we have secure elections.”

“I heard no concrete allegations that foreign actors actually changed the results of an American election,” Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware said on CNN.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-primetime-address-elections-5c84a59dffc20c12ed2fcb822fa950c9

Donald Trump: 'I just want to find 11,780 votes’

The Washington Post has released a recording of US President Donald Trump telling Georgia's top election official to "find" enough votes to overturn the election result.

"I just want to find 11,780 votes," he told Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

In the full recording, Mr Raffensperger is heard replying that Georgia's results were correct.

Mr Biden won Georgia alongside other swing states, winning 306 electoral college votes to his Mr Trump's 232.

Since the 3 November vote, Mr Trump has been alleging widespread electoral fraud without providing any evidence.
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Re: What If? PitDAWG 07/17/26 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
I posted this question to Gemini AI.

Trying to be objective based upon all the data, all the scouting information, all the reports and everything there is to look at regarding the ceiling of Shedeur Sanders. What is it? Is it possible that this guy could be a franchise quarterback?

I believe the manner in which questions are framed often times makes things a little more murky than they may first appear. When you ask things such as "is it possible" that opens the door not based on likelihood. All draft picks are chosen based on potential. Thousands have been drafted on "what's possible". Most all "could have been" successful or even great NFL players had they have ever reached their full potential.

As for myself I don't really play around with AI. I've seen people who use it often say sometimes it's reliable and sometimes it's not. However, I do think that if you asked this question in the form of not what's possible, but based on the likelihood of Sanders becoming a franchise QB the answer may be quite different. I believe at the very least it would appear somewhat more objective.
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