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“You, sir, are the failure, not the men and women who are on that front line, not the men and women who hold up their honor with distinction,” Peters told Hegseth.
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Beyond that, you've gotta deliberately forget that there are fake IDs that are fairly easily available.

I have zero issue requiring govt ID in order to vote, I still don't understand how that solves any of our problems... especially imaginary ones.

Last year, Browns defense ranked 10th in forcing 3-and-outs, and allowed the 4th fewest yards (this is according to Google AI).
They were ranked 21st in generating turnovers, but were out-stunk by the offense (ranked 27th).

Yeah, that's me. I look pretty good for being almost 68 don't I? It's my conditioning cream.

You see, when you're not a homophobe things like your comment are easy to laugh at.

Maybe you should take a look at New Jersey. The issue was created by doing exactly what you claim you want. It wasn't caused by mail in voting. It wasn't caused by early voting.

It was caused by a software glitch at the DMV. You know, where they were getting that "picture ID" you want in order to vote so badly. The DMV itself was registering them to vote. So when they went to vote they already had a picture ID and were registered. You know, that thing you say should be required to vote in order to stop voter fraud?

In you rush to get your gotchya moment, you used a moment that actually got you.

It is understandable to think that losing Myles will result in a lesser defense.

Myles play is not just sack numbers. It was his impact in total on offensive game plans.

Offenses had to game plan Myles.

However, a defense is made up of the starting eleven and substitutions. Positive defensive results come from execution of the whole.

How well does the defensive unit play?

The 2026 defense will define themselves. We don't know how they will play. Schwartz is gone as well as Myles. New parts have been added.

I am not going to jump to conclusions before I see live real games.

To think the Browns Defense won't take a step back losing the best player in the game is being overly optimistic. I think the trade will be good for the Browns in the long-term Jared Verse is a very good player but to think the defense will perform at the same level without Garrett, I just do not see that. Defenses were triple teaming Garrett on almost every passing down. Throwing to half the field on many occasions to avoid his rush. I would love to see Verse get to that same level, but it is unfair to expect that.

Another idea that I have to disagree with in theory. Will they take a step back? It's very possible/probable. We have a new coach, a new DC and roster turnover including the best defensive player in the league... However, we also have the defensive rookie of the year, whom I don't expect to peak in year one of his career. We replaced the best player in the league with a guy I think we can all agree is pretty damn good. But to say they take a step back BECAUSE of losing the best defensive player in the league is a little short sighted, imho.

The easy one that everyone differentiates is:
QB sacks
#1 Myles Garrett 23
#29 Jared Verse 7.5

But...Verse is catching up

QB pressures
#1 Myles Garrett 53
#10 Jared Verse 36

QB knockdowns
#4 Jared Verse 18
#13 Myles Garrett 14

QB hurries
#8 Myles Garrett 14
#26 Jared Verse 10

Let's not forget, in college Myles Garrett was a DE... Jared Verse was a DE. Post draft, Myles Garrett was a DE... Jared Verse was an OLB. Now the roles are reversing, Verse is going back to his natural position, while the Rams are asking the reigning DPOY to switch positions for the first time in his career.

There is a lot more here to talk about.

At the end of the day, the defense had MAJOR changes... Schwartz is gone being my biggest concern. The DC will have a huge say in where this defense goes.

As far as talent:

Losses; Garrett
Gains; Verse and McNeil Warren.. AND a full off season and experience for Graham and Schwesinger

It is really hard to find a good source for defensive 3 and outs, but I did manage to find this one through week 13 of 2025:
[img]https://preview.redd.it/offensive-a...96b1070d67b4e34c7c35d61dd16d6218a2adc2df[/img]

Browns were by far the best at producing 3 and outs, they can only do so much when the other half of the team coming on the field after you is historically bad.

Take a look at New Jersey!!!

$37 Billion and counting.

Money well spent eh - prices up, Iran emboldened, economies around the globe stagnated. Whoop Whoop ! MURICA !

The people on this forum can relate.

So that is you?

I think last year's defense will be a more dominant unit than this year's defense. You cannot lose the best defensive player in the game and not take a step back. What would have last year's defense looked like if the offense held the ball longer and reduced their time on the field? If the offense would have scored more points and put the defense in better more predictable situations? If the special teams would not have been so terrible and pinned teams back more often? I think last year's defense would have easily been a top 2 to 3 defenses overall in the NFL anchored by the best defensive player in the game.

I think this year's defense will still be decent with young core talent to build around. Graham, Verse, Schwesinger, Mcneil Warran with some vets like Ward, Delpit, Williams, Davis, and Collins. There is still a lot to like about the Browns defense. If the offense and special teams can make a jump the defense being in better game situations and reduced time on the field could still be elite. If the offense struggles and looks like last year without Garrett, the defense will not be as dominant as last year. The attention he got from the offenses even when the defense was tired and in bad situations really helped the unit make plays. The only real disappointing thing with the defense lasts few years in general was lack of generating turnovers. If this unit can somehow improve that stat, then the loss of a great player like Garrett might not be felt as much.

#closettrumpsupporter

I don't really disagree with you but at the same time no defense stops its opponent from scoring in short field situations on a regular basis. Even in your scenario they would be scoring field goals.

But to your point the Browns did give up a lot of TD's last season.

I mean I get that in a perfect world you would be totally correct. But in the real world NFL defenses get 3 and outs about 25% of the time and defenses hold offenses to either a punt or a turnover on about 55% to 60% of all drives. If your scenario played out as you describe, nobody would ever score a TD in an NFL game.

Definitely, but I wasn't commenting in regard to winning, just scoring (or preventing of scoring).
While things do affect each other, and yeah, the defense got handed a lot of short fields.... it is up to the defense to, ya know, defend. There's no reason our defense can't just turn around and get a 3 & Out. Just because they're at our 20 yard line doesn't mean the D can't do its job.

Then, there is the counter argument to the points being elevated due to all the short fields: the yardage stat was lower than it should have been because of the all the short fields.

This was not a Top 10 defense last year. It was good-ish, but it was really more "above average" than actually "good".

Yeah... but everything else being equal, the defense that starts a drive in the shadow of their own goalpost is going to come away with the worse points-allowed stats.

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I believe that eventually you are correct. After all that is the goal and I don't look for them to stop until they achieve that goal. The "some are further out" part is the most likely scenario. That's most likely the best one can do at this point.

With this offense that's certainly what would have had to be depended on to happen for them to win games. Normally teams don't have to depend on that week in and week out just to eek out some wins. But when you rank 27th in total points scored and #1 in turnovers you do.