Re: Iran War II
PitDAWG
05/31/26 02:23 PM
You're like the boxer who got knocked out in the ring and thinks he can get back up and start the fight all over again. That's not how any of this works.
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Re: Iran War II
mgh888
05/31/26 08:48 AM
The war with Iran was a stupid move but now we are on the hook for the fallout if he can’t secure a win. And laughably talking heads say we won’t see $3 gas again until 2032… There is no win. We aren't safer. The economy has taken a huge hit. Iran has realized just how much leverage they have and it could be argued are in a stronger negotiating position than they were before. The ROTW and especially NATO has moved further way from the US.
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Re: Iran War II
OCD
05/30/26 11:45 PM
The war with Iran was a stupid move but now we are on the hook for the fallout if he can’t secure a win. And laughably talking heads say we won’t see $3 gas again until 2032…
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Re: Iran War II
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 09:59 PM
1. Which time he was lying is unimportant. That's really as far as I need to go with this. If in fact he was telling the truth about setting Iran's nuclear program back several years if not decades, that would mean there was zero need for war with Iran for at least years from now. You have just displayed what desperation looks like. Thanks for playing. You will receive the board game of Risk as a consolation prize. Go figure, Pit taking something out of context and assuming that's all he needs to consider. No matter whether he was lying about both, either, or neither, there is still HEU unaccounted for now. Ignoring everything you don't want to address is a sign of desperation or delusion, if anything is. Unfortunately, despite your attempt at levity, this isn't a game.
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Re: Iran War II
PitDAWG
05/30/26 09:11 PM
1. Which time he was lying is unimportant. That's really as far as I need to go with this. If in fact he was telling the truth about setting Iran's nuclear program back several years if not decades, that would mean there was zero need for war with Iran for at least years from now. You have just displayed what desperation looks like. Thanks for playing. You will receive the board game of Risk as a consolation prize.
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Re: Iran War II
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 08:56 PM
I thought we both agreed Trump lied. Or do you think he told the truth now? 1.There seems to be a bit of confusion here. We both agree trump lies on a regular basis. What we don't know is which time he lied. In June of 2025 he stated he set back Iran's nuclear program by several years if not decades. Eight months later he claimed later he needed to start a war because they were on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon. What we do know for sure is that in one of those cases he lied. What we don't know is which time he was lying and which time he was telling the truth. Which part is far fetched? Iran working with terrorists? Terrorists using planes? Terrorists using bombs? HEU being unmonitored? A country that chants "death to America" targeting America? 2.That's already been explained to you. First one would have to be naive enough to think that both Israel and the U.S. would not have any surveillance tracking airplanes leaving Iran headed towards Israel or the U.S. and track them. The only other way they would have at accomplish that would be transferring that payload through other nations airport security including our own. The facts you laid out are few and far between. The things you claimed were facts that were actually BS were legion. 3.You keep repeating that over and over again without any evidence to support it. Assassinating my character but not the facts I've posted. That's pretty weak. Israel is a likely target. Yet, Israel is a densely populated (14 times the population density of the US), not immense area to cover, highly monitored, highly militarized country. On the other hand, our southern border is vast and has unpopulated sections. 4.Yet according to everything we've heard our border was wide open until trump took office and now it is totally secure. So what happened while it was wide open again? You just keep finding more rabbit holes to climb down. I get it. You'll say, "Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it wont happen." And I'll say if it didn't happen when the border was wide open there's even less of a chance of it happening now that it's much more secure. And the beat goes on. You keep talking military, I'm talking (potentially state sponsored) terrorism. 5.Which in no way changes or makes a scenario of how to deliver a nuclear device to the U.S. While our country is monitored and militarized, there are gaps in the coverage. While Israel is the closer target, terrorists go for symbolic targets rather than the closest. We are the "softer" target, with a potentially larger "terror" factor. I.e, If they can hit us, they can hit anywhere. Israel has mandatory military service. Much of our population is unaware of the realities of war, and, in the eyes of extremists, we are the much more "decadent" country. 6.These are the words of a war monger who has reached the point of using hyperbole and unlikely scenarios as an excuse for war. Fear tactics do not make a cause for war. I agree a direct flight is an unlikely scenario. That's why it isn't the scenario I speculated on. 7. Really? Here is a quote from one of your previous posts..... A Gulfstream G700 (private business jet) has a range of ~8,360 miles. A straight line flight between Tehran and Caracas, Venezuela is 7,321 miles (and it doesn't have to be a straight flight, Libya could make some sense as a connecting point, ISIS and AQIM still operate camps in the Fezzan Region.) Israel has surveillance, yes. Is Israel going to track a private plane going SE away from them and circling around over central Africa then heading west away from Israel? I think you overestimate the abilities of radar and underestimate the number of private jets that fly out of the middle east. It's something I did consider and factored into my hypothetical scenario. 8. I think you underestimate it. There is also satellite surveillance. You see, on one hand you pose this immediate nuclear threat from Iran to be deployed on the U.S. You propose methods by which they could accomplish and deploy that threat. You point out how they have been yelling death to America for 47 years now. Then on the other hand you propose our own government has done nothing have the ability or wherewithal to have systems in place to prevent that from happening. What you seem to be suggesting is a 2+2=3 argument. 1. Which time he was lying is unimportant. We do know there is HEU unaccounted for. 2. It's naive to think that anyone can track everything. You can't just reposition satellites at any moment to follow every plane in the middle east. I've also already pointed out the airports fallacy. 3. Your ignoring the evidence isn't evidence of my lack of providing it. 4. Trump is telling lies about the security of the border. Iran didn't have 83.7% HEU going unmonitored in the past. 5. Militaries are supposed to be uniformed and follow international law. Terrorists do neither. 6. Yours are the words of someone in denial. I just don't want unaccounted for HEU in an area full of extremists. 7. A flight to Venezuela is not a flight to the US. I also mentioned going circuitously with a stop in Libya. 8. I literally worked on radar systems in the Navy. I'm pretty sure I have a better understanding of how they work and what the are capable of than you do. Satellites operate in orbit. You can't just look any and everywhere all the time. There aren't enough in space to cover everywhere all the time and they can't reposition to follow every plane in the middle east. Even if they were everywhere all the time, they can't see through solid objects in video and they have to know where to look. They had a treaty that was in place, but Iran stopped following it. We had to do something else about it. That's how we got here. Now we have to do something else about it over there, because our defenses back home aren't all encompassing. My argument is 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1... = Uh-oh. Yours is 3=7, no 3=6, wait no 1+1+1+1+1+1...= 0.
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Re: DOJ launches criminal probe into E. Jean Carroll: Sources
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 08:19 PM
So mockery was your goal and not word play or a joke. Thanks. It's always good to hear you admit you started off with a false premise. No, I do like wordplay. Your attempt at a joke using wordplay was just bad. So, I made fun of your bad wordplay after the initial truthful statement. What was your punchline supposed to be? I have a fear of words sounding like each other? Is that funny to someone out there? Was it a weird veiled gay joke? ...Still not funny.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
PitDAWG
05/30/26 08:13 PM
It appears there are many "out of shape" in the military which are still in the military or there would have been no need for this memo to begin with. There are many tech jobs, engineering jobs and critical surveillance jobs just to name a few in the military which need the smartest and brightest among us, not the most cut and chiseled soldiers prepared to fight on the front lines.
But I suppose when you call something "The Department of War" instead of "The Department of Defense" you have to keep up unrealistic appearances to your base voters.
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Re: Iran War II
PitDAWG
05/30/26 08:04 PM
I thought we both agreed Trump lied. Or do you think he told the truth now? There seems to be a bit of confusion here. We both agree trump lies on a regular basis. What we don't know is which time he lied. In June of 2025 he stated he set back Iran's nuclear program by several years if not decades. Eight months later he claimed later he needed to start a war because they were on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon. What we do know for sure is that in one of those cases he lied. What we don't know is which time he was lying and which time he was telling the truth. Which part is far fetched? Iran working with terrorists? Terrorists using planes? Terrorists using bombs? HEU being unmonitored? A country that chants "death to America" targeting America? That's already been explained to you. First one would have to be naive enough to think that both Israel and the U.S. would not have any surveillance tracking airplanes leaving Iran headed towards Israel or the U.S. and track them. The only other way they would have at accomplish that would be transferring that payload through other nations airport security including our own. The facts you laid out are few and far between. The things you claimed were facts that were actually BS were legion. You keep repeating that over and over again without any evidence to support it. Assassinating my character but not the facts I've posted. That's pretty weak. Israel is a likely target. Yet, Israel is a densely populated (14 times the population density of the US), not immense area to cover, highly monitored, highly militarized country. On the other hand, our southern border is vast and has unpopulated sections. Yet according to everything we've heard our border was wide open until trump took office and now it is totally secure. So what happened while it was wide open again? You just keep finding more rabbit holes to climb down. I get it. You'll say, "Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it wont happen." And I'll say if it didn't happen when the border was wide open there's even less of a chance of it happening now that it's much more secure. And the beat goes on. You keep talking military, I'm talking (potentially state sponsored) terrorism. Which in no way changes or makes a scenario of how to deliver a nuclear device to the U.S. While our country is monitored and militarized, there are gaps in the coverage. While Israel is the closer target, terrorists go for symbolic targets rather than the closest. We are the "softer" target, with a potentially larger "terror" factor. I.e, If they can hit us, they can hit anywhere. Israel has mandatory military service. Much of our population is unaware of the realities of war, and, in the eyes of extremists, we are the much more "decadent" country. These are the words of a war monger who has reached the point of using hyperbole and unlikely scenarios as an excuse for war. Fear tactics do not make a cause for war. I agree a direct flight is an unlikely scenario. That's why it isn't the scenario I speculated on. Really? Here is a quote from one of your previous posts..... A Gulfstream G700 (private business jet) has a range of ~8,360 miles. A straight line flight between Tehran and Caracas, Venezuela is 7,321 miles (and it doesn't have to be a straight flight, Libya could make some sense as a connecting point, ISIS and AQIM still operate camps in the Fezzan Region.) Israel has surveillance, yes. Is Israel going to track a private plane going SE away from them and circling around over central Africa then heading west away from Israel? I think you overestimate the abilities of radar and underestimate the number of private jets that fly out of the middle east. It's something I did consider and factored into my hypothetical scenario. I think you underestimate it. There is also satellite surveillance. You see, on one hand you pose this immediate nuclear threat from Iran to be deployed on the U.S. You propose methods by which they could accomplish and deploy that threat. You point out how they have been yelling death to America for 47 years now. Then on the other hand you propose our own government has done nothing have the ability or wherewithal to have systems in place to prevent that from happening. What you seem to be suggesting is a 2+2=3 argument.
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Re: Iran War II
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 07:51 PM
jc...
Do we continue to pursuing the diplomatic route with Iran..?
Or, does the USA strike targets in Iran attempting to force Iran to pursue a diplomatic solution..?
We seem to be at a crossroad of sorts with two possible actions, with neither guaranteed to produce the desired results. That does seem to be the situation. Neither of the options seem particularly good to me.
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Re: Iran War II
mac
05/30/26 07:40 PM
jc...
Do we continue to pursuing the diplomatic route with Iran..?
Or, does the USA strike targets in Iran attempting to force Iran to pursue a diplomatic solution..?
We seem to be at a crossroad of sorts with two possible actions, with neither guaranteed to produce the desired results.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 07:33 PM
No heavyweights allowed: Troops must meet fitness criteria to attend White House UFC event Members of the military seeking tickets to the UFC fight on the South Lawn have to meet “all service-specific physical fitness test requirements” and pay their own travel expenses to the event, according to a Pentagon memo. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...fitness-criteria-attend-white-rcna347606"We think you are fit enough to serve in the military but we don't want the pubic to see you serve in our military. Thank you for your service." You might be surprised how many people get out of shape in the military, and end up getting booted for not meeting the fitness requirements. I saw more than a few. And many more that probably should have. Seeing people lathering themselves in Preparation H and covering that in plastic wrap to try to firm up their mid sections, so they could try to cheat the body composition measurements was ...kind of disturbing.
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Re: What If?
bonefish
05/30/26 07:20 PM
In addition he was diagnosed with anxiety disorder.
It reminds me of Manziel.
I hope his treatment works for him. Young man with a lot of talent.
It would be a real waste to see fall prey to a disorder like that. Mental health is a touch and go deal.
I wish him well.
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Re: Iran War II
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 07:09 PM
According to trump he set back their nuclear program by many years of not decades in June of 2025.
You seem to assume that some far fetched conspiracy of how Iran would get a dirty bomb into the U.S. as a reason for war.
The facts I laid out were not made up. They are facts. Rather than address those facts you attack the messenger and claim otherwise with nothing to substantiate that.
Israel is a likely target. Iran has the military capability to carry that out. This manufactured, far fetched plot you have created as to a method to deploy a dirty bomb or nuke to the U.S. is just that and nothing more.
This entire "But they could put it on a jet and fly it directly to the U.S." is a very unlikely scenario to say the least. One would think you feel as though we nor Israel have any surveillance on air traffic that detects aircraft leaving Iranian air space. An obvious detail you either didn't consider or obviously omitted. I thought we both agreed Trump lied. Or do you think he told the truth now? Which part is far fetched? Iran working with terrorists? Terrorists using planes? Terrorists using bombs? HEU being unmonitored? A country that chants "death to America" targeting America? The facts you laid out are few and far between. The things you claimed were facts that were actually BS were legion. Do you need 90% HEU to make a nuke? The answer is still no. Israel is a likely target. Yet, Israel is a densely populated (14 times the population density of the US), not immense area to cover, highly monitored, highly militarized country. On the other hand, our southern border is vast and has unpopulated sections. You keep talking military, I'm talking (potentially state sponsored) terrorism. While our country is monitored and militarized, there are gaps in the coverage. While Israel is the closer target, terrorists go for symbolic targets rather than the closest. We are the "softer" target, with a potentially larger "terror" factor. I.e, If they can hit us, they can hit anywhere. Israel has mandatory military service. Much of our population is unaware of the realities of war, and, in the eyes of extremists, we are the much more "decadent" country. I agree a direct flight is an unlikely scenario. That's why it isn't the scenario I speculated on. Israel has surveillance, yes. Is Israel going to track a private plane going SE away from them and circling around over central Africa then heading west away from Israel? I think you overestimate the abilities of radar and underestimate the number of private jets that fly out of the middle east. It's something I did consider and factored into my hypothetical scenario.
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Re: DOJ launches criminal probe into E. Jean Carroll: Sources
Bull_Dawg
05/30/26 06:08 PM
I had no idea you were homophoneic. Man that must be tough.  If you haven't noticed (and why would you, you don't actually read my posts most of the time any more, or so you claim), I enjoy wordplay. You do like trying to ascribe other meanings to parts of my name, so I suppose one could frame that as a homophonic issue. However, I'd consider it more of a dealing with a guy making things up issue. It's more tiresome than tough.
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Re: Iran War II
PitDAWG
05/30/26 05:59 PM
According to trump he set back their nuclear program by many years of not decades in June of 2025.
You seem to assume that some far fetched conspiracy of how Iran would get a dirty bomb into the U.S. as a reason for war.
The facts I laid out were not made up. They are facts. Rather than address those facts you attack the messenger and claim otherwise with nothing to substantiate that.
Israel is a likely target. Iran has the military capability to carry that out. This manufactured, far fetched plot you have created as to a method to deploy a dirty bomb or nuke to the U.S. is just that and nothing more.
This entire "But they could put it on a jet and fly it directly to the U.S." is a very unlikely scenario to say the least. One would think you feel as though we nor Israel have any surveillance on air traffic that detects aircraft leaving Iranian air space. An obvious detail you either didn't consider or obviously omitted.
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