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Agreed. If there was a best time to trade Myles it was now after the stellar season he had. I feel he is at his peak right now and barring injuries he has another 3 years of top end production. As far as the next couple of seasons I don't think we're mailing anything in, I just feel that no one believes we are legit contenders. IF our O-Line comes together quicker than expected, IF we get decent to good QB play and IF our passing game develops faster we might contend for a playoff spot. A lot of IF's LOL

and Myles had a No-Trade clause he had to agree to waive in order for this to happen, so whatever else there is Myles agrees that we have no QB (which we all know already, though some continue to hold out hope)

No argument from me, I agree. It would be a huge surprise to me if one of them showed promise this season. I fully expect to get a one year contract year out of Watson.

It's really a no win situation for Sanders. Most QBs get about 3 years to show marked improvement, but he is a 5th round guy that I don't think is franchise material. We need to find the guy in next year's draft if all goes well in the college season.

100%... and a good launch for the point I keep forgetting to make.

We spend waaay too much time as fans thinking we know what's going through the FOs heads. We are not mailing it in for the next couple years. Nobody is trying synchronize "the path" with the new stadium. That would be crazy.

Getting full value for generational talent is not because we need a new QB, the timing just happens to intersect with the fact that we might. I'd say that even if we were 80-90% sure Sanders was the man, and just needed two seasons to make take us to the Promised Land; there's still a great chance this trade would have gone down. jmo

Irish, none of the QB's we have deserve a ringing endorsement. They have to prove themselves. It is what it is my friend.

In no particular order:

OUCH - reading Wirfs (who we did not pick) being considered and elite OT.

Yes - Verse has value whether you equate it to picks or not. He's clearly very good. He fills the void MG left. He's younger and we get the 2027 first rounder. It really is a perfect set up. As Fate said - whoever we traded with was going to be a low first round pick. MG was in control of that.

It can't be a shock to anyone - fan or coaching staff - that the QB situation is not looking favorable. We all saw DW play for 19 games and he was crap for 85% of those games. We say Sanders play and while he flashed a little on some deep balls and showed some ability to be coached ... he did not look like a future FQB.

Suddenly the man in the know mentions MG's shoulder!! Oh My ... watch this space.

When can the Browns be good? The D is in good shape. The draft class of Fannin, Judkins and Schwesinger hopefully only gets better. The rookie draft class has the potential to have a similar impact. The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... I think we are selling this team short if we think it's 2 years away. I think a top 2 or 3 QB in a deep QB class in next year's draft and we can compete. Hopefully Monken is the guy - that'll be another big factor.

2029 would be what, year 8 or year 9 for Berry? I've heard of giving someone a little leash but dear God man you would think at some point there would be a limit. I guess not.

I agree 100% that it seems there is no ringing endorsement for the QBs.

I don't think the Browns had a choice on the trade. I believe Myles told them trade me or hear me trash the situation as soon as they didn't hire Schwartz. It immediately told Myles he doesn't have any influence, which as a player, he shouldn't.

Looking forward to the new stadium and new opportunities to win.

Myles being traded is not a ringing endorsement for our quarterbacks.

If they thought either had a future with the Browns why trade Myles? His window would fit if the timing and age factor means anything.

Now we have more money a younger team and a lot of draft assets.

This all points to 2029 with the new stadium.

Life will go on as usual. Meaning Monken will try to win with what he has.

Who knows what that will look like? But the baseline plan is to find the quarterback in the 27 draft.

They only allowed evidence that pertained to that case. In your haste you can't seem to figure out that you are judging 26 people. All I'm judging is that all of those 26 people aren't liars. You call it here say and I call it circumstantial evidence. On overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. No sane individual believes all 26 of these women are lying.

When 26 people accuse one person of a similar crime that's more than just here say. You believe 26 women are all liars. That defies common sense.

They could only show the evidence that was admissible in court. Why was the grand jury not shown the whole picture? That's right it was hear say and not actual evidence. You believe hear say.

No. No grand jury saw anything but the single accusation in that case only. They had no idea there were 26 women accusing him of sexual assault. They did not see the totality of the evidence in all 26 cases. Public opinion has nothing to do with that.

You have determined that all 26 of those women are liars. That's what being judgemental and being holier than thou looks like. You have determined in your mind that they were all prostitutes and are lying. It goes to show what you think of women in general.

Agree, 100%.....now Miles gets to test LA cops while driving around the city. Smart play by our GM, he gets younger, gets less expensive for years, and he only loses so much production. We didn't win much with Miles, one player doesn't fix a team. And we pick up several top 100 picks in years to come. We gave up a great, but got better for the future.....GO Browns!!!!

You are judging a man by hear say from 5 years ago that did not result in a crime. You are trying a man in the court of public opinion. No facts just what someone says happened in their attempt to get $$$ out of the man.

What a delightful cut. What a great cause. I love blues, and this one is up there with one of my faves, "Oreo Cookie Blues!" I don't have out, but it is some fine o'join in blues! Thanx for this.

Along those lines, I saw this earlier today...

Could be we traded for the next great edge rusher. Maybe another MG?

This was a real delight! Tapped along ending it. Thanx!

Good points all, Purp! Statistically, we are talking about trading Myles freaking Garrett. And these stats almost suggest to me that we may have trades up. I will miss playmaking by MG, loved his work. I wish him the best. Get bring! Thanks for your contributions and achievements.

The burning question we are all holding now: "What does MKC think?" Consider the Cowherd source.

Which I believe is the gist of what I've been saying. As I said, I do admire your exuberance.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...aft-qbs-know-top-prospects-sleeper-picks

2024
Caleb Williams
Jayden Daniels
Drake Maye
Michael Penix
JJ McCarthy
Bo Nix

2025
Cam Ward
... etc.


If you look at the link, that was written right after the 2024 draft... so opinions were presented without benefit of hindsight, but also without QBs' final college season. They were hyping Beck, Ewers, and Shedeur. If memory serves, there was another QB or two that would've contributed to the class but elected to stay in school.

We all know Myles is an athletic alien, and I am not trying to say Verse is or ever will be as good. But I compared their combine performances and it was very interesting. Verse ran a 4.58 40 and Myles a 4.64. Myles did 33 reps on the bench and Verse did 31. Myles had a 41 inch vertical, Verse 35, Verse had a 1.60 10-yard split, Myles a 1.61. Broad jump Verse 10.8, Myles 10.7. The point is, I guess, Verse was also an elite prospect, and his career is off to a great start. He isn’t Myles, but he is a helluva player.

Stop making sense.

Heaven forbid we call out a sexual predator! I mean when someone defends victims of sexual assault it must mean they're being holier than thou.

Do you even read your own posts most of the time? You have judged everyone who doesn't think exactly like you do. But remember that you accused someone else of being "holier than thou" moving forward. That one is going to bite you in the azz.