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Re: Iran War II Bull_Dawg 06/10/26 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Any rational person reading this thread knows you were meant to be a politician. You've done more twisting and turning than an insomniac trying to sleep on a lumpy mattress. You most certainly have a voice inside your head and it's not a healthy one.

There are no rational people still reading this thread. And I know I definitely wasn't meant to be a politician. No tolerance for BS. Trying to respond to you is a twisty road to try to follow. You should get some sleep, that insomniac reference feels like its coming from personal experience.

And you're projecting again with the voice in your head.
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Re: Thank you for 12 great years Joel DeisleDawg 06/10/26 11:09 PM
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Re: What If? Homewood Dog 06/10/26 10:16 PM
The Baker Mayfield situation was totally mishandled by Kevin Stefanski. He should have sat him down rather than have him play as badly injured as he was. That whole debacle is what led them to Watson. I don't know how much KS had to do with the other situations, but the Mayfield disaster is on him. KS, IMO, is a decent coach but is not much of a leader. That may have been a big reason why he was fired.
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Re: What If? Floquinho 06/10/26 08:55 PM
Everyone keeps pointing to the 2025 and 2026 drafts as proof that the Browns are heading in the right direction. Maybe they are. There are certainly some promising young players on the roster.

The problem is that none of that has translated into a team that is currently expected to make the playoffs.

We’re still a long way from the level of talent and performance that existed in 2020.

To be fair, it would be statistically unlikely for the Browns not to improve at least somewhat after the disastrous 2024 and 2025 seasons. The bar isn’t exactly set very high. But improvement from bad to mediocre shouldn’t be confused with genuine success.

When you take a deeper look at why the Browns have underperformed so dramatically over the last several years, you find a long list of questionable decisions.

There was the handling of Baker Mayfield after his injury.

There was the entire OBJ saga.

There was the way Jarvis Landry’s departure was handled.

Most importantly, there was the negative cloud surrounding Myles Garrett publicly demanding a trade. When your franchise cornerstone reaches that point, something has gone wrong inside the building.

And that’s before we even start talking about Joe Flacco, Kareem Hunt, Nick Chubb, or Amari Cooper.

None of those situations were handled particularly well, to put it mildly.

At some point, the good decisions have to outweigh the bad ones. That simply hasn’t happened in Cleveland.

From the outside looking in, the organization appears dysfunctional. The results have been poor, the roster has steadily lost proven playmakers, and we’re rapidly approaching a point where there are very few established stars left to build around.

Most concerning of all, after years of aggressive spending, trades, restructures, and roster turnover, the Browns still don’t have a legitimate franchise quarterback.

That may be the biggest failure of all.

I like some of the young talent. I genuinely hope players like Mason Graham, Harold Fannin Jr., Quinshon Judkins and others become foundational pieces for the future.

But hope isn’t a strategy.

At some point, results matter.

The Browns have spent enormous resources trying to solve the quarterback position and build a sustainable contender. Six years into the Andrew Berry era, we’re still waiting for both.

That’s why 2026 feels so important.

Not because the team has to win the Super Bowl.

But because after seven years, fans deserve more than promises, potential and projections.

They deserve results
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Re: What If? mgh888 06/10/26 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
It has deteriorated, in large part, BECAUSE of the Watson trade. .
I agree. It's not the only mistake but it's the one that hurt the team like nothing else.
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Re: Log on difficulties... archbolddawg 06/10/26 08:06 PM
I've gotten it about 5 times today.
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Re: Log on difficulties... mac 06/10/26 08:05 PM

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I have no idea what might be the issue but I keep getting the above message when I try to log on...hopefully this will show up on this thread...mac
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? WooferDawg 06/10/26 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
You can find the evidence vids online. Look them up and you then make a decision.

No matter, it will all work out sooner than later.

Sorry online videos rants and conspiracy theories do not make it true. People making up crap just to get their clicks... total BS.

Arrests, indictments, trials and convictions work better. Same rules apply to both sides, and Tina Peters is exhibit 1 who was a Republican.
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Re: What If? mac 06/10/26 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I think the only thing that saved his job was last years draft when Stefanski was fired. Yet he is the man responsible for the mess of a roster Stefanski had to coach. That made no sense to me. But crap runs down hill and Stefanski was at the bottom of it. Same old story.....

Did anyone notice all of the Browns brass that entered the draft room come draft day..?

It's easy for some to point their finger at Berry and proclaim that all of the Browns poor draft picks were his fault.

I can think of at least two individuals who outranked Berry and might have had a say in who Berry drafted. For years we tried to figure out who was in control of judging the Browns draft talent. In most NFL organizations the GM would be the man in charge of the draft but there was no way of knowing who had the final say for the Browns.

Hopefully, with the departure of chief strategist Depodesta and HC Stefanski plus the hiring of HC Monken, the Browns draft priorities are better defined.
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Re: Poltical Jokes Part 5 bonefish 06/10/26 05:06 PM
A real joke.

trump, the current president of the United States has: 91 criminal charges against him, 6 bankruptcies under his belt, 4 indictments, 1 convicted company, 1 fake charity shut down, 1 fake university shut down, 26 sexual assault allegations, $25 million in fraud settlements, $90 million in sexual abuse verdicts, and $2 million in charity abuse judgements.
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Re: What If? PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:44 PM
I think the only thing that saved his job was last years draft when Stefanski was fired. Yet he is the man responsible for the mess of a roster Stefanski had to coach. That made no sense to me. But crap runs down hill and Stefanski was at the bottom of it. Same old story.....
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Re: Thank you for 12 great years Joel PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:38 PM
He is the type of person and player I would hope all Browns players aspire to be. His dedication to the game and accountability for his play has been second to none. He will be missed but he knew his time was done. I appreciated his time as a person and a player in a Browns uniform. We could use a lot more like him.
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Re: Quarterback defined Part 2 PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:33 PM
There are certainly a pretty good list of prospects to keep an eye on this year at the QB position. It appears this FO has set themselves up to make a move towards drafting a QB in the next draft. I'm more of an OSU fan than a college football fan overall but this year I plan to watch more college football with an eye on the top QB prospects specifically.

Mensah, Carr, Chambliss, Manning, Sayin and Mateer just off the top of my head. It's going to be an interesting time watching and waiting to see what the Browns do at the QB position.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:20 PM
As it turns out and always seem to be the case, every accusation they make is just another confession.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Evidence doesn't always make one guilty, nor is it always true. "Randos" these days are very often at the lead of a story. I wouldn't simply shrug them off. A "rando" as you say blew the top off of fraud in Minnesota.

The sprawling Minnesota fraud scandals began in early 2022 when the FBI raided the offices of the nonprofit Feeding Our Future and dozens of related sites. However, initial state investigations and warnings regarding suspicious activity in programs like the Child Care Assistance Program (CCAP) trace back as early as 2018 and 2019.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 06/10/26 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
You can find the evidence vids online. Look them up and you then make a decision.

No matter, it will all work out sooner than later.

So you have verifiable evidence? If so why hasn't trump or anyone in the House or Senate produced it?
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 06/10/26 03:45 PM
May 27, 2026 War talks: US President Donald Trump said he won’t be rushed into a deal, warning that Iran’s efforts to outlast him won’t work because he doesn’t “care about the midterms.” The White House dismissed Iranian state media reports that a memorandum of understanding being negotiated would lift the US blockade of Iranian ports in exchange for the reopening of the strait.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/27/world/live-news/iran-war-us-news

Trump: 'Iran has taken too long to negotiate a deal, now it will pay a price'

US president Donald Trump said Iran has “taken too long to negotiate a deal” and that it will “have to pay the price” as a result.

He did not clarify what action he intended to take, but the US military has been striking Iranian targets, including air defences and radar sites, near the Gulf. It is also not clear what this means for the ongoing diplomatic efforts to end the war, with Trump previously insisting that a deal could be reached.

In a post on Truth Social, Trump said:

Iran’s Military is a complete and total mess. Much of it, like their Navy and Air Force, doesn’t even exist anymore - They have been completely defeated. Iran is all talk and no action. The Bully of the Middle East is DEAD!!! They’ve taken too long to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them, now they will have to pay the price!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-retaliation-middle-east-crisis-war-live

With all of these times trump has been to Walter reed over the last year, did any of those doctors think to check trump's estrogen level?
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Re: What If? oobernoober 06/10/26 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
I think the roster has deteriorated since Berry took over. I've been down on Berry for a long time. I think the roster looks better today than it has in years. The single biggest mis-step Berry has made - the trade for Watson. It was calamitous on a biblical scale for multiple reasons both on the pitch, off the pitch and with what we gave up to get him - but clearly Haslam owns at least an equal, possibly bigger slice of responsibility for that.

Honestly I think we will feel good about the team this year even if we struggle to match last year or 'only' get to .500 ... I feel good about 2027 and on.

It has deteriorated, in large part, BECAUSE of the Watson trade. We hung a giant boat anchor on our cap, and gave up 3 years of 1st rounders.

We left JOK off the list above... I understand why (he's likely done), but if we're making lists to critique our player acquisition woes then he should be within the scope of the convo (we acquired him for relatively cheap draft capital and all indications were that he was going to be a mainstay on our defensive roster for a while if it wasn't for his neck injury).
We also left Tyson Campbell off the list.... yeah, he's no Ward but he's a starter-caliber player. Also, leaving Schwesigner off the list of high-upside picks and lumping him in with the likes of Tillman and Mike Hall is whack (I'm just nitpicking little details of the post, don't totally disagree with the gist, though).
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 06/10/26 03:04 PM
Any rational person reading this thread knows you were meant to be a politician. You've done more twisting and turning than an insomniac trying to sleep on a lumpy mattress. You most certainly have a voice inside your head and it's not a healthy one.
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Re: Quarterback defined Part 2 bonefish 06/10/26 02:55 PM
Given the status of the quarterback situation.

I am already beginning to look at the 27 QB class.

I spent some time this morning listening to the OK coach about the off season and things they have been working on with John Mateer.

Mateer caught my eye last year. I loved the way he competed. He was playing great but then he broke his thumb. I was stunned that he came back so fast and played. It was obvious he was not the same. He could grip the ball. The ball was sailing on him. It was difficult to watch him because his injury was so obvious.

After watching today and listening to his coach. I cannot wait to watch him this year.

He is off the radar right now. That is ok because I have a good idea about his character and I expect that he is going to play well.

He is one guy I am going to watch in this class. There are others I plan to do a deep dive on as well.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? Jester 06/10/26 02:37 PM
Wanna talk about trying to alter an election...


Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive
Tierney Sneed, Jeremy Herb, Gabe Cohen, CNN
Wed, June 10, 2026 at 6:00 AM EDT


State election officials could soon face a stark choice: Hand over voter lists to the Trump administration or risk losing Postal Service delivery for mail-in ballots.

That dilemma stems from newly proposed USPS rules that seek to comply with an executive order President Donald Trump signed this spring to crack down on mail-in voting. If courts let the order stand, it would give the federal government an unprecedented role in elections — and could put even more voter data in the hands of Trump officials searching for supposed election fraud.

The proposed rules lay out new conditions that states would have to meet to send ballots through the mail, including giving the agency lists of all voters set to receive mail ballots.

So far, 23 Democratic-led states and the District of Columbia are suing, as are Democratic Party leaders and non-partisan voter advocacy groups, setting up a potentially active summer of high-stakes judicial rulings.

The Trump administration cleared an initial legal hurdle last month, when a federal judge in Washington, DC, who is overseeing one set of the cases, declined to block Trump's executive order, allowing the Postal Service to begin implementing it.

The Democratic Party groups are asking an appeals court to speed up its review of that decision, warning that voters around the country could be disenfranchised in this year's midterm elections if the proposal is not blocked.

In an interview with CNN, Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, a Democrat whose state is part of the coalition that filed a legal challenge in Boston, said that if courts rule for the Trump administration, "Then you will see a virtual elimination of mail-in voting, unless the states supply voter lists to the federal government."

The March 2026 executive order is one of several moves Trump has made recently to seek federal control over elections and restrict mail-in voting, which he has repeatedly cast as a tool used by his opponents for election cheating despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

On Capitol Hill, the SAVE Act, a Trump-backed bill requiring new citizenship verification measures to register to vote, has floundered in the Senate. Courts have pushed back on other aggressive attempts by the administration to inject itself in the voting process — a job the Constitution largely gives to the states.

But now Trump's executive order seeks to give USPS an unprecedented role in the midterm elections: not just delivering ballots but policing who gets one.

"If proper postage is paid on a mail piece, the USPS should deliver it," former USPS Board of Governors Vice Chair Anton Hajjar told CNN. "The proposed rule says it's not regulating elections but that's what, in effect, it's doing,"

In a statement, the White House said that the "entire Trump Administration will continue lawfully enacting the agenda President Trump was elected to enact – which includes the safety and security of American elections."

"The Administration remains confident that the Executive Order will be implemented by the November election, which was always the intent when it was signed," White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said.

While the language the Postal Service drafted still leaves states in charge of deciding which voters end up on the lists submitted to the agency, it tells USPS not to send ballots for states that don't follow that process. The states' mail balloting programs must meet other requirements in Trump's order for USPS to deliver their ballots, potentially forcing some jurisdictions to completely redesign their mail voting materials.

"This would deny eligible people the right to vote. Full stop," said Tobias Read, secretary of state in Oregon, one of the 23 states suing the administration over the order.

"This is not in the president's power," Read said. "It's absolutely clear in the Constitution – states run elections."

As the legal fight unfolds, Postal Service unions have communicated their concerns to USPS leadership about the order – and how it puts mail carriers in the position of deciding whether to transmit certain ballots.

"As we read this draft, if a state does not comply with it, if they don't provide the information or the right format, then the Postal Service is going to simply refuse all of those ballots or whatever election mail it is, and that is very, very concerning," said Brian Renfroe, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers.



DHS citizenship lists

Trump's order also instructs the Department of Homeland Security to build its own state-by-state citizenship lists of eligible voters by pulling data from various federal agencies, fueling fears the administration could use the lists to pressure states to purge their voter rolls.

State election officials already have the ability to use a DHS immigrant record system to verify their rolls, and the program has come under fire for falsely identifying eligible voters as non-citizens.

In court filings, the Trump administration has waffled on how DHS intends to carry out the plans for releasing state-by-state lists, but on Monday, the Justice Department said DHS is working on making "citizenship list information" available for states to access.

DHS is also having "preliminary conversations" about the agencies sharing data, DOJ said Monday. The administration previously told the court that DHS was exploring whether the state voter data provided to USPS could be used to help "monitor mail-in and absentee ballot flows, identify anomalies that may suggest voter fraud or misuse, and generate authorized investigative leads."

A spokesperson for DHS said in a statement to CNN that it was lawfully implementing President Trump's executive order and that it was committed to "restoring integrity to our election systems and ensuring that American citizens and only American citizens are electing American leaders."



Feasibility questions

There are major questions over the feasibility of the Postal Service's plan, including whether the already cash-strapped agency has the funding and wherewithal to execute such drastic steps on such a quick timeline.

"When they don't have the funding to do their declared mission, how's anybody reasonably expecting that they can expand that mission?" said Matt Crane, executive director of the Colorado County Clerks Association, which represents the local officials who run elections in the state. "Focus on their day job and let us do ours."

Under the proposed regulations, the Postal Service will need to design and launch a portal through which states could submit a list of their mail voters, along with unique bar codes for each individual.

"The real problem is, to my knowledge, this portal doesn't exist yet," said Jeff Ellington, whose company, Runbeck Election Services, has been hired by Maricopa County, Arizona, and other large jurisdictions to print ballots and administer other aspects of mail voting.

The Trump administration has told USPS there is money to support the internal implementation, a person familiar with the conversations told CNN, though the specific stream of funding is unclear.

Within the agency, the outsized impact the new system will have on smaller, rural communities has been a matter of discussion, the person said.

In addition to the lists of eligible voters, the proposed regulations include new standards for ballot envelopes, including barcodes that would help keep track of ballots — all of which pose challenges for smaller election offices with limited budgets to revamp mail-in ballots.

Large counties in states where mail voting is prevalent, such as Arizona and Colorado, are likely to already use ballot envelopes that are designed in accordance with the proposed regulations. Those design features have long been best practices for mail voting, said Tammy Patrick, chief programs officer at Election Center, a non-profit that serves elections officials across the country.

"There are practical reasons why some jurisdictions haven't adopted this," said Patrick. She pointed both to budgetary issues as well as state laws that stand in the way of ballot envelope designs that facilitate automated tracking.

How jurisdictions organize and format their mail vote data varies from state to state, and within each state, posing potential obstacles for how USPS will receive those lists.

"Across the states, it's been a challenge for local officials to make sure their data can be ingested and read by the states," Patrick said. "And now we are asking all 50 states to have information that can be aligned for the Postal Service."



Legal fights over Trump's directives

Trump tried to assert more control over federal elections in an executive order last year, but that has been largely blocked by judges who concluded he has no unilateral power to alter voting rules, and any such authority must come from Congress. Similar arguments are being made against the latest order.

Last month, US District Court Judge Carl Nichols declined to block Trump's 2026 executive order – not because he found its directives lawful, but because he said there were unanswered questions about how the government would implement it, so it was too soon for him to intervene.

Democrats are pushing the DC US Circuit Court of Appeals for a ruling this summer.

"If the Order remains in force, millions of American voters' sensitive personal data will be amassed into inaccurate and unlawful databases and USPS will engage in unprecedented interference with state mail voting programs," the Democrats wrote in a Monday court filing.

The Justice Department argued in court filings "that there is no justification for such a compressed schedule."

The USPS proposal, which was rolled out the day after Nichols' ruling and is open to public comment, included some notable modifications to what Trump's March 2026 directive envisioned, softening some of the most stringent limitations on mail-in voting. For instance, it gave states flexibility to continue to modify the voter lists that are submitted to USPS as the midterms approach.

Still, election experts are puzzled by what USPS will do with those lists once the agency receives them and warn that any hiccups in that process could lead voters not getting their ballots in time.

Some election officials see the requirement as a backdoor data-grab by the administration as the Justice Department has sued 30 states to obtain sensitive voter data – particularly for universal mail-balloting states where essentially every voter would be on such a list. The eight courts that have ruled in those cases have all ruled against the Justice Department.

"We already told the Trump administration that they couldn't have our voter data," said Amanda Gonzalez, who is the clerk of Jefferson County, Colorado, and a Democrat running to be the top election official in the state, which is fighting the administration's voter roll demand in court. "This is just a poorly disguised ploy to get it another way."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/postal-won-t-deliver-mail-100007973.html
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Re: Thank you for 12 great years Joel mac 06/10/26 01:17 PM
One of the Browns best..

...thank you, Mr Bitonio
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The World Cup mgh888 06/10/26 12:21 PM
Soccer isn't most NFL Fans cup of tea so to speak - but it's the biggest sporting event on the planet. It's happening now and in Nth America. So - here's a post about it.

While the fake injuries and play acting are noxious - here are some clips of "the beautiful game" (a name for football that was popularized by Pele)

Ronaldinho was truly amazing - always played with a smile on his face. Scored lots and set up lots of goals for others. Very unselfish.


Maradona - if you've never seen this 2 minute 30 second video of his warm up, it will probably make you smile while he casually does some amazing things with the ball.




And this is a 4 minute tribute to Maradona from a great international player -



I'm not a huge soccer fan though will watch the world cup - here's one of my favorite players who was talented and a bit of a character. Sorry - video is grainy because he played a long time ago.
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Re: Iran War II mgh888 06/10/26 11:45 AM
This is a very good read. I have speculated for a while now that this war has empowered Iran and highlighted their one bit of overwhelming leverage - just by surviving, they can shut the Straits. Their tolerance for suffering is far greater than Trump's/the USAs


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdgl548x3eo

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu believed that victory over Iran would reshape the Middle East.

The region is being reshaped. But not in the way they expected. The Islamic Republic of Iran has not been defeated. The risk now is of a long, attritional permacrisis that will lurch in and out of outright conflict.

The Iranian regime has proved to be a much harder nut to crack than Trump and Netanyahu had assumed. Their judgement was wrong, and they have lost control of the consequences.

The latest of those is Iran's downing of the US Apache helicopter. It is another reminder that Iran's rulers can still hurt the Americans and will not budge in their determination to come out of this war on top. For them, victory equals survival and enhanced deterrence, in the shape of acknowledgement of their control of the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most strategic waterways.

The president and his generals will try to calibrate their response to the loss of the helicopter, to show just as emphatically that they cannot be pushed around, but at the same time to preserve the sluggish and so far unproductive diplomatic process. The Apache's crew survived. Had they been killed, a much harsher response would have been likely.

Trump has been banking on a deal with Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and agree the terms of much longer-term talks over the big issues, starting with Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium and its wider nuclear plans.

The war is unpopular in America and he wants a way out he can present as a victory. It is proving to be a tough challenge.

Trump and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau are learning an old lesson.

Ever since humans discovered the art and curse of war, leaders have found out that it is easier to start a war than to end one with a clear victory.

When they led their countries to war with Iran on the last day of February, both issued video statements, choosing words that reflected an assumption that a moment of historical change was coming. The regime that had ruled Iran since the Shah was overthrown in 1979 was on the way out.

In the small hours of the morning at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort, Trump, picked up on the promise he had made to Iranian opponents of the regime in January that "help is on its way."

"To the great proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations."

The next morning, Netanyahu stood in the sunlight on the roof of the Kyria, Israel's high rise defence ministry in central Tel Aviv, to record his address. Like Trump, he spoke as if victory was certain.

"This coalition of forces allows us to do what I have yearned to do for 40 years: smite the terror regime hip and thigh. This is what I promised – and this is what we shall do."

Throughout his political life, Netanyahu has argued that the real threat to Israel comes from Iran, not from the Palestinians or his country's Arab neighbours. He had tried and failed to get other American presidents to join him in attacking Iran. Trump was different.

For more than two years, since Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, Netanyahu had told Israelis that the power of their military, backed by America, would vanquish their enemies and usher in a richer and safer future. Force, not diplomacy, was the answer.

Netanyahu had the air of a man whose moment had come. In contrast, when he faced the cameras after Trump told him to cancel his plans to attack Beirut on Monday, the leading Israeli newspaper columnist Ben Caspit said he looked like a deflated balloon.

Caspit is one of the prime minister's most vociferous critics. But it is clear that Netanyahu's strategy of using force to bend the region to his will has failed.

Trump expected a quick victory. He had watched with delight as the US military abducted the president of Venezuela and his wife, sent them to a jail in New York and installed a compliant successor in Caracas. Textbook regime change, he believed, way better than the forever wars fought by his predecessors in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran would be next on the list.

Both men must be wondering what went wrong. The United States has the world's most powerful military. Israel is the superpower of the Middle East.

Trump and Netanyahu saw a regime in Tehran reeling from economic crisis caused by sanctions, mismanagement and corruption. Israel had delivered hammer blows to its allies, Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Its other key ally, Bashar al Assad had been deposed as president of Syria and fled to Moscow. In January the regime crushed huge demonstrations against it by killing thousands of Iranian citizens.

They underestimated the resilience, ruthlessness and guile of the Islamic regime. They believed that killing its supreme leader and his closest lieutenants would cause the regime to collapse from within.

They overestimated the efficacy of military force against a regime that had faced repeated threats for almost 50 years, had engineered itself to survive an attack and had thought hard about a conception of national security backed up by its religious and ideological convictions.

The Gulf oil states, allies of the US, and in the case of the UAE and Bahrain of Israel too, have suffered hammer blows. It is not simply lost revenue from petrochemicals and their byproducts, like fertiliser. They have built their futures around creating an oasis of stability and multi-billion-dollar business in the Gulf. Potential investors, and tourists, see the war turning that vision into a mirage.

The Iranian regime believes its survival and the ease with which it put a chokehold on the world economy by closing the Strait of Hormuz and attacking its Gulf Arab neighbours can be translated into long-term deterrence against the US and Israel.

The men who have replaced the old guard of Iranian leaders killed by Israel and the US are just as ideological as their predecessors but much more willing to take risks in what they see as an existential struggle. They believe that words alone will not stop more attacks in the future from the US or Israel. Instead, they want to demonstrate that more attacks on Iran will lead to painful consequences.

A key part of its strategy is linking the war in Lebanon with the war in the Gulf. The regime's message to Trump is that he cannot hope for any kind of deal if Israel continues to bomb Lebanon and to try to destroy Hezbollah, the militia and political movement that it has nurtured since the 1980s as its forward defence against Israel.

By curbing Israel's plans to attack Beirut, on the grounds that a deal was near (a claim he has made before, erroneously), Trump has shown implicitly that he accepts the link between what happens in Lebanon and what happens in the Gulf.

On Monday, Netanyahu said he would not accept the linkage. It was he said, "intolerable and completely unacceptable." His problem is that Trump will put his interests and desire to end the war ahead of Netanyahu's determination for it to continue until he can declare the Islamic regime in Tehran has been crippled.

Netanyahu cancelled a planned attack on Beirut, but since then Israel's military, the IDF, has continued to hit southern Lebanon very hard.

When the Strait of Hormuz was closed in March, there were dire warnings of global economic consequences if it was still closed by June.

Not only does the vital waterway that was open until the US and Israel attacked Iran remain closed. Without remarkable diplomatic breakthroughs, it is hard to see it reopening any time soon.
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