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Re: Expectations Rishuz 09/03/26 02:34 AM
I would take the under at 3.5 wins.

The Browns are an unserious organization that values process over results. I had hope for Monken, but we haven’t played a game yet and it is clear he has been sucked into the culture disease that is the Cleveland Browns.

You want to see a well run organization that prioritizes winning? Look at how the Broncos handled their coaching issues and the Russell Wilson disaster. The fact that Watson is starting for this team and it is being sold as he gives them the best chance to win is symptomatic of the larger culture issue that hangs over the head of this team.

Monken’s post game pressers are going to be so awkward and cringe they will be nearly unwatchable. He will regularly have that what the hell did I get myself into look.

This might be the most unlikable, unwatchable team in all of professional sports. It starts with Jimmy and Berry. They either have no clue how to win or don’t care. Both are bad, just for different reasons.

Buckle up. It’s going to be a long, bumpy, unpleasant ride. A one and done year for Monken, and I wouldn’t be surprised if their hand picked QB pulled a Manning. I would never let my son play for this team, owner, or GM. They are truly the epitome of the very worst the sport has to offer. Does anyone have any idea how almost statistically impossible it is to be this bad this long. I’m surprised there are any fans left honestly.
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Re: Border Crossings MemphisBrownie 09/02/26 11:32 PM
j/c:

The revisionist history on this is astounding.
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Re: Border Crossings BADdog 09/02/26 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Is it paranoia when politicians have given cause to doubt everything they say?

If they were consistently honest, truthful, and transparent, I wouldn't doubt them nearly as much.

They are , Arent you listening?
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie? MemphisBrownie 09/02/26 10:25 PM
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trump is the biggest, like the world as never seen

Sure.
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie? bonefish 09/02/26 10:09 PM
True, but trump is the biggest, like the world as never seen, taller than the tallest building, wider than the widest ocean, so on and so forth.
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Re: Border Crossings archbolddawg 09/02/26 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
We should embrace their logic and call it BDS.

No matter how long trump is president everything he fails at will still be Biden's fault.


Priceless, coming from you.
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Re: Border Crossings FATE 09/02/26 09:59 PM
YOU picked the sentence for me, duh!

You RE-stated your fake facts and complained that I didn't address them.

Can't make it up.


And just so we're clear, "your AI" is saying it can't find the TRAC data and that makes mine wrong? 🤣

Are you sure you're not using a Magic 8 Ball?

Here's the link to the TRAC data: https://tracreports.org/tracatwork/detail/A5750.html

And I'll do the math for you, in case you don't have access to a calculator either... record-setting 500,000 cases processed at the time / 3.6 million backlog / that means 86.12% have not been processed. "My AI" felt bad for you and underestimated.


And yes, we can fairly accurately estimate how many have entered the country. To do that, we'll have to cover all the ways Sleepy Joe ushered them in, and there are plenty.

I'm not going to tackle that at the moment because I don't have an hour+ to dig through: Illegal crossing, crossing he magically made temporarily legal with "It's an app, man!", crossing at the northern border (which decimate any previous administration), the crazy amount of people that were flown-in to bypass the border directly, and the record setting "got aways".
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Re: Quarterbacks bonefish 09/02/26 09:32 PM
By April all these guys will be dissected.

They will be talked about for months. Everyone will have opinions on them.

We can only hope that we get the guy we have dreamed about.

Makes me think of Bernie in those 86 and 87 years. You always felt that he would get it done.

I want that feeling again sooo bad.
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 archbolddawg 09/02/26 09:31 PM
Agreed. My wife and I make a decent living. Before the "move" we had season tickets in the pound. But as ticket prices have escalated, we've cut back. Might go to 1 game a year, if that. (last year, no games). Sadly, we've chosen our future ahead of our present.

And I know it won't be long until we have to pony up money to even watch the Browns (or any team) on television. Yet those player salaries? They keep going up and up and up.

Good for them.
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 FATE 09/02/26 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg

Pablo Torres found out after all!

#Rando


This is sobering... for the rest of us.

"Hey grok, what is a 30 m dollar fine to a person worth 157 B compared to a guy making 100k a year?"

Thoughts >A $30 million fine is 0.0191% of a $157 billion net worth. If you apply that same tiny percentage to someone earning $100,000 a year, it works out to about $19.
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 FATE 09/02/26 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by jfanent
I've about had it with professional sports. How much more can they bleed the public so a player can make 160 million instead of 150 million and help the owners jack up the franchise values? My son bought me Cavs and Red Wings tickets as gifts when he was in college. I told him not to do that anymore.....no regular season event is worth hundreds of dollars a seat plus the added expenses to a young guy trying to please his dad. I guess if people are willing to pay it, it is. But I'm done. I don't think I'll ever see the inside of the new stadium, I'm not going to perpetuate this madness. No way in hell I'm paying hundreds to watch games on TV either. It's getting to the point where professional sports are for the rich and/or stupid.

I am right there with you. No end in sight with the insanity either. I decided I may attend if there is a game honoring Chubb, then I got so infuriated by the Cavs and Indians coverage getting splintered again that I said "no mas".

Don't waive the white flag just yet, Fate. If the Browns decided to honor Chubb at some point and it's later in the season, that should be about the time tickets are selling for around $8/ea. tongue

That is soooo hopelessly true that I just realized that's exactly when they will announce the game to honor him... when it's all over but the cryin'. 🤮
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 Milk Man 09/02/26 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by jfanent
I've about had it with professional sports. How much more can they bleed the public so a player can make 160 million instead of 150 million and help the owners jack up the franchise values? My son bought me Cavs and Red Wings tickets as gifts when he was in college. I told him not to do that anymore.....no regular season event is worth hundreds of dollars a seat plus the added expenses to a young guy trying to please his dad. I guess if people are willing to pay it, it is. But I'm done. I don't think I'll ever see the inside of the new stadium, I'm not going to perpetuate this madness. No way in hell I'm paying hundreds to watch games on TV either. It's getting to the point where professional sports are for the rich and/or stupid.

I am right there with you. No end in sight with the insanity either. I decided I may attend if there is a game honoring Chubb, then I got so infuriated by the Cavs and Indians coverage getting splintered again that I said "no mas".

Don't waive the white flag just yet, Fate. If the Browns decided to honor Chubb at some point and it's later in the season, that should be about the time tickets are selling for around $8/ea. tongue
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 Milk Man 09/02/26 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg

Pablo Torres found out after all!
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie? MemphisBrownie 09/02/26 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
If trump got one day in jail for every lie.

He would be in jail for ten lifetimes.

Same could be said for countless politicians.
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Re: Border Crossings mgh888 09/02/26 08:51 PM
Since all you did was ask AI to respond to my one line - I pumped your response into AI myself to return the favor:

His basic criticism of your 15/45/7 numbers is fair; these are the places where his response itself goes off the rails.

His “80–85% are still pending” figure appears unsupported. He specifically claims that “TRAC tracking” shows 80–85% of the May 2023–March 2024 released cohort remained pending. I cannot find that TRAC analysis. TRAC does show a massive overall backlog—3.716 million cases by September 2024—but that's the entire immigration-court population, not this particular cohort.

So he's apparently doing the same thing he's criticizing you for: taking a statistic about one population and applying it to another.

His “30–40% failed to check in/vanished” claim is not supported by the cited government evidence. The relevant GAO investigation found that approximately 75% of the family members released under the 2021 Notice-to-Report process had reported to ICE as required by the measurement date. That leaves about 25%, not 30–40%, and crucially this was a specific 2021 family-unit program, not the May 2023–March 2024 cohort he's discussing.

There is older GAO data showing about a quarter of people unenrolled from ICE's ATD monitoring program during 2015–20 had absconded. But again, that's an entirely different population and period.

So I would challenge him directly to produce the claimed DHS/GAO 30–40% audit. I can't find it.

He claims to know the eventual status of a cohort for which the government itself has serious tracking limitations. This is probably the biggest conceptual problem. A new 2026 GAO investigation found that ICE does not readily have information identifying people paroled at the southwest border and was not monitoring them as required.

That makes confident statements such as “TRAC shows 80–85% of these exact people are still pending” particularly questionable. The federal government's own watchdog says there are significant deficiencies connecting CBP parole data with subsequent ICE monitoring.

The solid facts are actually simpler.

Your 67% number is legitimate. MPI, using DHS data, reports that 67% of unauthorized migrants encountered at the southwest border from May 2023 through March 2024 were released into the United States to await immigration-court proceedings. MPI also says it would be years before many of their asylum claims were adjudicated because of the enormous backlog.

Your 15% asylum / 45% deported / 7% disappeared breakdown is not something we can substantiate. That's the mistake in your post—which originated with my earlier answer.

But his replacement numbers aren't substantiated either. In particular, I would not accept:

80–85% of that specific cohort still pending

or

30–40% of that cohort failed to report/vanished

without sources demonstrating that they refer specifically to that population.

There is also a useful piece of data that demonstrates why this is complicated: in FY2024 immigration courts completed about 911,000 cases, while receiving about 1.799 million new cases. Of completed cases, about 38% resulted in removal orders or voluntary departure.

But you cannot take that 38% and say 38% of Biden's border releases were deported—just as you cannot take the 3.7m backlog and infer that 80–85% of the May 2023–March 2024 cohort remained pending.

In summary:

He's right that my 15/45/7 breakdown isn't supported, and I'll happily correct it(That's the mistake in your post—which originated with my earlier answer). But his AI then invents certainty in the other direction. I can't find the TRAC data supporting his claim that 80–85% of that specific cohort remains pending, nor the DHS/GAO audit supposedly showing 30–40% of that cohort “vanished.” The actual government data don't allow us to cleanly follow that specific 67% from release through final disposition—which is precisely why neither of us should be assigning made-up final percentages to them.
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Re: Cavs/NBA 3.0 Bull_Dawg 09/02/26 08:31 PM
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Re: Expectations bbrowns32 09/02/26 08:30 PM
Very true, Pit. But nothing can match the excitement, drama and anticipation of the draft. It is the (for me) best 3-day stretch of the year...
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Re: Border Crossings mgh888 09/02/26 08:28 PM
Thanks for trying to come up with something real - while addressing one aspect of the post.

You picked one point out of many. And you have countered it what looks like to be some good discussion points. I'll have to read them more thoroughly and give you some specific responses.... Or maybe I can pick one sentance that I disagree with and just attack that? Which is what you've done?

As for how many entered the country illegally - your question. I am guessing you are agreeing that this is an impossible number to know and if you want to cast aside the data on encounters and the only factual piece of information we have, then it would be possible for someone to argue that just as many entered under Trump as Biden or Bush or Obama ... because we simply don't know. Is that the point you were making? (Do I need purple?)
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Re: Criminalise politicians who lie? bonefish 09/02/26 08:14 PM
If trump got one day in jail for every lie.

He would be in jail for ten lifetimes.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 09/02/26 07:10 PM
Trump Floats Renaming Strait Of Hormuz After Himself

In a bizarre post, President Donald Trump proposed renaming the Strait of Hormuz after himself.

“Now that we have it under U.S.A. control, should we change the name Hormuz Strait to TRUMP STRAIT???” he wrote Wednesday on Truth Social. “Like America itself, it would be ‘hotter’ than ever before!”

Six months into the war with Iran, there’s little evidence to suggest the U.S. controls the vital shipping lane which has Iran to the north and Oman to the south.

The post came against the backdrop of the latest latest flare-up on the waterway, with Iran reportedly attacking a vessel owned by the national shipping company of Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally.

Trump’s proposal follows an executive order last week demanding Lake Ontario, the body of water that sits between New York and Ontario, be renamed as “Lake America.”

Trump can insist U.S. federal agencies follow the Lake Ontario order, but Canada has roundly rejected the move.

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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 09/02/26 07:09 PM
Thom Tillis Calls On Trump To Get Rid Of 'Inept' Pete Hegseth

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) on Wednesday called on President Donald Trump to get rid of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.

“I have never witnessed more inept management of the brave men and women who serve our country,” Tillis wrote on X. “He is intimidated by competence and retreats to ginning up culture wars instead of soberly attending to the vital work of our national defense and the health and well-being of our fighting force.”

Tillis has previously called for Hegseth’s ouster.

His statement Wednesday came in response to Hegseth forcing out Army Secretary Dan Driscoll as part of an ongoing purge of senior Defense Department officials apparently not singing Hegseth’s tune.

“I urge the President to find a new leader at the Pentagon who will retain and empower our military talent rather than diminish it,” Tillis wrote.

Tillis voted to confirm Hegseth in January. Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell (Ky.), Susan Collins (Maine) and Lisa Murkwoski (Alaska) voted no.

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Re: Border Crossings PitDAWG 09/02/26 07:07 PM
So how many did cross the border illegally? Give us this exact figure you want someone else to give you which Republicans have claimed was 10 million, 15 million and 20 million?
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Re: Border Crossings FATE 09/02/26 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by FATE
Why do you never mention how many entered the country? Nobody cares how many "encounters" there were.

He's trying to have a fact-based discussion where the former (illegal crossings) by definition can't be reliably measured and is usually estimated off of the latter.

He forgot to include facts for the fact-based discussion. At least any of the ones that matter.
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Re: Border Crossings FATE 09/02/26 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
I think of the two posts mine seems fact based with numbers to support what happened - yours is an emotional knee jerk reaction full of emotive statements that do not resemble fact based reality.

The very fact that of the 67% that were let into the country for processing under Biden - 45% were returned, 7% disappeared and the remaining 15% granted assylum. Your claims and statements do not remotely reflect this. You might think the 22% who stayed (15+7) is too high. No poblem - but that's not your claim or your discussion point.

And once again - no engagement on the broader picture of Obama and Trump and Bush.


You posted no facts. You posted fantasy. I think you thought you asked AI but actually asked the family pet. And besides all that, you're looking at a very small snapshot of the entire Biden Border Disaster. You're taking a small window and extrapolating fake numbers to paint a picture that does not exist. Period.



What is this dude even talking about? Any idea??

"May 2023 and March 2024, 67% of unauthorized migrants encountered at the southwest border were released into the United States to await immigration proceedings. ** that sounds horrific - but additional digging shows: 67% released into USA for processing but → 15% granted asylum + 45% deported + 7% disappeared."



The person you are quoting is attempting to argue that while a high percentage of migrants were initially released into the U.S., the vast majority were eventually processed out or denied status over the long term.

However, from a data, mathematical, and logistical standpoint, the "dude" is completely scrambling the timelines and the math. He is treating a process that takes 5 to 10 years in the immigration court backlog as if it already concluded.

Here is exactly what is wrong with his logic and why the numbers do not add up:


1. The Timeline Conflict (The Math is Impossible)

The quote specifically isolates a window from May 2023 to March 2024.

As of today, the immigration court backlog is so massive that the average asylum case takes several years to reach a final judge's decision.

It is mathematically impossible for 15% of that specific group to have already been granted asylum, and for 45% to have already been formally deported by a judge. The vast majority of people who entered in that late-2023 window are still waiting for their very first initial court hearings.


2. He is Conflating "Instant Deportations" with "Court Deportations"

The person is likely taking a broad, historic statistic (like "ultimately, 45% of asylum cases are denied and result in a removal order") and incorrectly applying it to this specific 10-month window.

If 67% of people were released into the interior, that means they are inside the U.S. You cannot have 67% released into the country, and then have 45% of that same group deported within a few months. The physical and legal infrastructure to deport hundreds of thousands of released interior migrants in less than a year simply did not exist.


3. The "7% Disappeared" Estimate is Way Too Low

The claim that only 7% "disappeared" (meaning failed to show up to court) severely understates the tracking breakdown during that specific May 2023–March 2024 window.

This was the exact peak era of the "Parole + ATD" quick-releases and "Notices to Report" discussed earlier.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Government Accountability Office (GAO) audits revealed that during high-surge periods, up to 30% to 40% of migrants released on quick-parole failed to check in with ICE or vanished before their formal Notice to Appear (NTA) was even filed in court.


What He Was Trying to Say (And Got Wrong)

He was likely trying to repeat an old immigration data talking point used by advocates: “Don’t panic about the 67% initial release rate, because once they go through the whole court system, 45% will be ordered deported, 15% will get asylum, and only a few will skip town.”

But by pinning those final outcome percentages to a specific, recent 10-month window, he made the argument completely nonsensical. He described a multi-year judicial pipeline as if it happened overnight.



If you want, I can pull up the actual TRAC Immigration Court data to show you the real breakdown of what percentage of cases from 2023 are still stuck in limbo versus how many have actually been decided. Would you like to see that?

Sounds great, lets do it...



The actual data from the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University blows the "67% released, 45% deported, 15% asylum" argument completely out of the water.

The real data shows that the overwhelming majority of migrants who entered during that 2023–2024 window are still inside the U.S. with their cases completely unresolved.


1. The Real Baseline: The Overwhelming Backlog

The core reality of the U.S. immigration court system is gridlock. The historical progression of active, pending cases highlights this crisis:

End of 2022: ~2.0 million pending cases

End of 2023: ~2.8 million pending cases

End of 2024: ~3.7 million pending cases

Current Backlog: Over 3.1 million active pending cases.

The system is so flooded that individual immigration judges are forced to manage an average of 4,500 active cases each. For a migrant released into the interior between May 2023 and March 2024, their case didn't finish—it was simply added to the bottom of this massive pile.


2. What Actually Happened to 2023–2024 Cases?

Because the backlog forces wait times to stretch across multiple years, TRAC tracking shows the true status of the people who entered in that exact window:~80% to 85% are Still Pending: The vast majority of people released in that 10-month window have not received a final asylum grant or a deportation order. They are legally living and working in the U.S. interior, waiting for court dates that are frequently scheduled years into the future.

The "Deportation" Deception: The 45% deportation claim is an entirely fabricated timeline.

In a typical year, immigration judges only manage to issue formal removal or voluntary departure orders in about 35% of the small fraction of cases they actually manage to complete.

The Sinking Asylum Grant Rate: The 15% asylum grant claim is also inaccurate. While asylum grant rates previously peaked above 50% in mid-2023, a combination of rocket-dockets, rule changes, and court restructuring caused approvals to crater. By late 2024, the grant rate dropped to 35%, and recent TRAC tracking reveals that monthly asylum denial rates have skyrocketed.


3. The "7% Disappeared" Fallacy

The assertion that only 7% vanished is contradicted by compliance tracking. During the chaotic May 2023 border surge, the administration leaned heavily on the rapid "Parole with Conditions" and "Notice to Report" (NTR) pipelines.

Under these protocols, migrants were released without an official court date and simply told to report to an ICE office within 60 days. Government audits revealed that up to 30% to 40% of migrants failed to check in within that mandatory window, completely detaching from federal monitoring before their cases even officially entered the court data system.

Summary: The person you quoted took a snapshot of a 10-month window of intense border releases and assigned a fictional set of final legal outcomes to it. The real TRAC data proves the exact opposite: the vast majority of those migrants are still here, their cases are completely unresolved, and they are buried inside a 3.1-million-case judicial backlog.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 09/02/26 07:00 PM
Make DUI Great Again!

Trump Covers For ‘Special Guy’ Tiger Woods After Plea Deal

President Donald Trump appeared quite sympathetic to Tiger Woods Wednesday, after the golf great accepted a plea agreement that will suspend his driver’s license for 5 years following a rollover crash in March.

Woods called Trump personally after the crash, before he was taken into custody.

Tiger’s a “great guy,” Trump told reporters, describing him as “unique in so many ways, especially as an athlete but also as a man.”

The president then repeated Tiger’s apparent defense of his would-be DUI: He wasn’t inebriated, he just happened to be taking a prescription painkiller at the time for his back.

“They didn’t find alcohol on him,” Trump said. “He had a back operation that did not work out well and he was under pain. Tough deal to be taking a painkiller and you have a problem and you test positive. I mean, it’s a prescription painkiller.”

The president concluded by referring to Woods as “a very special guy.”

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