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Hey Memphis,

I know you don't read my posts, but I wanted to put this here anyway. It probably does appear that I rage quit. I think I gave reasons as to why I took time off in my last post, but I do have to say, it becomes difficult to perpetuate a dialogue with someone who does have you on Ignore. I did commence my hiatus during the Charlie Kirk discussion when I did make an earest attempt to bridge the divide and felt I got burned for it. That's where my reference that discussions are dead is born from. That's pretty much why I had given up on it.

Like I said in that thread, whatever I did to make you ignore me, I apologize. You and I used to get along pretty well on here before all the craziness. If you ever do want to go back and engage in actual policy discussion, or just shoot the breeze, I'll still check in from time to time. Anyhow, hope you do well and that the Crosstown Shootout this year still favors the Muskies

Thanks Fate. I hope you had a great summer, too.

It does take two to roll in the mud, wasn't just blaming you. You weren't the only one who was responsible. I never absolved myself for doing it. I even said it was dumb on my part. I think I let the best of my struggles during this admin get the best of me at times. I think it took my time away to realize that I was part of perpetuating the problem. Who I have become as part of this administration and who I have become when I more regularly give into the own rage bait that I protest against in this forum is not truly indicative of who I am, so I think it's best for me to limit myself, and that's what I think it comes down to.

I started coming around after P told me about GM's passing and how much he united everybody on here and it got me to self-reflecting. I think most of the rage I experience comes from valid qualms I have toward the admin, but I can't let it consume me as it did. I poured my frustration in my work and everyday life into this forum during the hellscape that 2025 become and I probably unnecessarily took it out on you, and I apologize for that.

I hope you're doing well.

I was wondering how long it would take before your #triggered #snowflake side showed up again after my post. You never fail to deliver.

Awwwe, see... Pit got your back!

And he spams all the good stuff. All the important stuff that everyone needs to see!

I understand the point you're making here. And I saw what a response as you described looks like even since you posted that. I'm as guilty for rolling in the mud as anyone else here is. The only difference I see is I don't get all butt hurt by it and lash out when someone tells me about it. Unless of course they're just as guilty of it as I am. I'm not saying you never take a poke at anyone but not to the extent many do. The funny part about it is, some of the very same people who are rolling in the mud are the very same people who put others on ignore. Funny how that works.

Hope you post more. Although it seems not everyone appreciates it, your posts have more constructive dialogue and address actual issues than anyone elses on here. Something you were right about. For the most part all of that content was ignored.

Something I know all about. The main function of many here is to ignore all posts that identify what's going on until they can find that rare occasion they can find a nit to pick. And then pick it they will.

I know, dude. I feel terrible for you. I can't do it anymore. I have to play casual observer to avoid the pain. It's easy to get caught up, but I keep my distance.

It was a fun ride to the postseason the last two years though.

Other than invoking my name or putting quotation marks around phrases I've used in the past with some passive-aggressive b.s... or pull random quotes I made six months earlier... every time you come here.

Or insults:

While you show up in your holier-than-thou cosplay.


The last two times you put your tail between your legs and quit; you've basically blamed me. That's why I quit responding. Now it's some p/a "nobody will respond to this" while you wallow away in martyr mode about how unfair everything is and nobody has any real desire to discuss it.

Does it really make any sense to come here and complain about how bad it sucks once a month?

If so, don't cry about "rage-bait" when you always show up with a bucket-full. Dish it out, you get it back; that's how the world works.


And while you're so fond of always repeating "rolling in the mud with FATE"; just realize: pigs don't know pigs stink.


Hope you've had a great summer!

I was despondent in my seat at the game. Like a little kid that just found out Disney burned down (shout out Jack Handy).

Watching the bats go completely cold year after year is so frustrating. I appreciate everyhing about the Guardians and what they are as a franchise, but you cannot win in the playoffs (consistently) trying to win games 2-1, 3-2 etc...

I fear today's game will be more somberness.

Go Cavs! lol

Never said it shouldn't be posted, Pit. Everyone should be aware. I think he's done immense harm on top of being a genuinely horrible and vindictive person. What he said was awful. He'll continue to say awful things. We've probably forgotten more awful things he's said and done than we've remembered.

I talked about spamming, though. Me spending tons of bandwidth going after Memphis, who has me on Ignore, or rolling in the mud with FATE ain't gonna change anything. But that's where almost all of our attention goes because of the rage bait. If there are discussions like this thread that happen, I wouldn't mind sharing my view, as I did. But I ain't touching that other stuff anymore. I need to focus on putting whatever little energy I have left where it counts.

I'm tired. I need to save my energy for the midterms and the areas where I can actually effect change.

Normal is a setting on a washing machine. That's the problem right now. People think if someone has a different sexuality, a different religion or a different value and priority list then their own, they aren't their version of what "normal" means.

I "framed it" the way it is. Yes, you could "frame it" as though Iran was "on the verge" of acquiring nuclear weapons. And I could "frame it" as trump's own fault for canceling the nuclear deal with Iran.

But saying that one statement about Covid vaccines was about saving lives isn't framing anything. It's accurate.

The vaccine greatly reduced the odds of death and hospitalizations. So while that quote you posted would certainly be an overstatement, not getting the vaccine was very dangerous and greatly increased the risk factor.

That's not "framing" anything. And yes, discouraging people from getting that vaccine, especially in certain circumstances of age or preexisting conditions would directly increase the death count.

Let me guess. That's just the way I'm "framing" it?

I actually can't believe you are trying to compare the two but I shouldn't be surprised by it.

And BTW- This comment was about people posting crazy supposed cures and railing against vaccines on social media and nothing more. Just so we're clear here.

Speaking of trying to "frame" something.

Some of us don't believe that posting the actions and words of a demagogue who is leading this nation are trivial or undeserving of attention. Much of his "policies, beliefs and agenda" are contained there in. Reporting such things is not a form of rage but a form of displaying the way we are devolving as a nation. Look at the impact he has had on your own life and then explain how and why we should ignore the things he says and does?

Frame it however you want. Blaming one class of people for the death of others with unproven science is disgusting. Period.

I know (knew) somehow you would never admit that and just throw out a side-bar to the conversation though.


I could throw out the same exact "saving lives" narrative as it applies to those that have been calling for our death for 50 years and their ability to acquire nuclear weapons, no? And I could do it without demonizing every day, normal Americans.

Thanks. Like I said some time ago, there are no meaningful discussions anymore. I don't expect much response to what I said, but I thought it a good opportunity to homogenize my thoughts into one place when I read the question set forth here. But I certainly do not expect much discussion.

As you can see, it's far easier to press the rage bait dopamine button and spam a thread about something stupid POTUS said a few days ago than it is to actually have a policy back-and-forth. I used to allow myself to get caught up in that, which was dumb on my part. All I realized I can do now is chime in occasionally when there might be room for it, make sure I advocate for issues most important to me, and make sure I never miss a vote. Anytime I see a politician who advocates for my priority number one, you can bet like hell I'll do my part to make sure they get elected. That occupies almost my entire political focus at this juncture.

The vaccine greatly reduced the odds of death and hospitalizations. So while that would certainly be an overstatement not getting the vaccine was very dangerous and greatly increased the risk factor.

You do get the fact that one statement was trying to save lives while the other statement was calling out which cities a president was willing to see bombed if Iran attacked, right?

Those are not the same thing. I know that somehow, some people hate promoting American lives might actually be saved. I don't understand why but I understand that it actually happened.

I know. I was disgusted.


I was also disgusted by this:

"They're killing people. I mean it, really. Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated and they're killing people."

You and yours co-signed and called every repulsive, misguided statement "science". j/s

He said what he said. The only excuse for it is to claim what he said isn't what he meant. I do believe some of the headlines were over reactive and weren't honest. But none of that changes what he said.

He said Iran could take out cities. And if they did let them take out L.A. and San Diego. Nowhere did he qualify as that being something they couldn't do now. Claiming that's so is no less dishonest than the very media sources being questioned.

It's a disgusting thing for any president to say, period. And you know it.

Nope - Gavin acts the same as Trump. He takes something stupid that Trump said and is trying to lie about what Trump said to make political capital. Just like Trump or Vance or Hegseth would do. My comment was in relation to media outlets. Gavin sort of mirrors Trump with the way he does politics ... it's why some people like him I guess.

If you want to focus on the politicians saying things that are lies or misrepresentation of facts, kind of hard to have that conversation when the guy that the poster supports is Trump.

You really want to compare that to high-ranking people insisting POTUS said our cities should be nuked? Gavin is still spewing this garbage.

Ima start calling you Apples and Orange.

That's the thing about it, when it comes to the NFL draft you can always find certain drafts that will help justify about any narrative.

And pretty much all of the above apply depending on the situation.

Not every person who votes for trump is a Nazi but every American born Nazi votes for trump.

It's funny how they spend an entire day making excuses for what trump said..... again......................

Did Trump say of Iran, 'Let 'em take out' LA and San Diego?

The White House rejected claims that Trump suggested the cities' destruction would be a small price to pay for ending the Iran war.

While speaking about the Iran war on Oct. 5, U.S. President Donald Trump said, "They [Iran] can take out a city. Let 'em take out Los Angeles, let 'em take out San Diego. This is a very small price to pay and it's going to be over with very soon."

Rating: Correct Attribution

Trump said these words during an unscripted, tangential portion of a speech he gave at a Nebraska political rally. Many people, including high-level Democratic politicians and pundits, appeared to interpret him as saying the destruction of two large California cities would be a small price to pay for ending the war. White House spokesperson Steven Cheung replied on X that, on the contrary, Trump "was clearly stating U.S. cities would have been threatened if a nuclear Iran hadn't been stopped."

On Oct. 5, a rumor circulated online that, while speaking at a rally, U.S. President Donald Trump said Iran could "take out" Los Angeles or San Diego and that it would be a "very small price to pay" amid the war on Iran.

The joint U.S.-Israel military operation has killed thousands of Iranians, beginning with the assassination of Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, on Feb. 28, 2026. According to an October poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, only 28% of Americans approve of how Trump is handling Iran, as the cost of gas and groceries continued to soar.

"Trump on Iran: Let 'em take out Los Angeles and San Diego, it's a small price to pay," one X post showing a video of Trump speaking was captioned (archived). It had more than 15 million views.



The video was authentic, and the quote was correctly attributed to Trump. While speaking about economic sacrifices during the war at a Nebraska rally on Oct. 5, Trump said (at 1:47:01):

I want to see a tremendous victory. You want to see a tremendous victory 'cause it verifies all the things we did. And again, remember, with the war it's just artificial. It's a little bit high, it's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. They can take out a city. Let 'em take out Los Angeles, let 'em take out San Diego. This is a very small price to pay and it's going to be over with very soon. It's essentially almost over with and they might keep going a little long. You know, they always say they have a big threshold for pain — they need it, let me tell you, they need it. But it's gonna end very soon and it'll end one way or the other and your gas and your gasoline and all of the things.

California leaders, including Gov. Gavin Newsom and the mayors of Los Angeles and San Diego, denounced Trump's comments.

"After sending the National Guard and Marines to occupy California," Newsom posted on X, "Donald Trump is now saying our foreign enemies should 'take out' Los Angeles and San Diego. He is deranged and dangerous."

We sought comment from the White House, which directed us to a statement on X (archived) by spokesperson Steven Cheung. Cheung wrote that Trump was "clearly" stating that "U.S. cities would have been threatened if a nuclear Iran hadn't been stopped."



It was unclear what Trump was referring to when he made the comment about "a small price to pay" and the White House's response didn't provide further context.

For further reading, we've verified numerous authentic Trump quotes, including that he said the Iran war was "small potatoes" and that when speaking about Iran negotiations, he said, "I don't think about Americans' financial situation. I don't think about anybody."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-iran-take-out-la-san-diego/

Typical Republican nonsense. "We know what he said but we're going to translate that for you and tell you what we want you to believe he meant."