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Smack addiction: it fkd up a good many artists.
Chet was one of those victims.

I'm convinced, without definitive proof, that Chet's life ended because of his past.

His career was on (a third) upswing, when he was found on the sidewalk beneath that Amsterdam hotel.
I cannot be convinced that his demise was a result of how he lived his former life-


Jazz musicians have been the lodestone for my life's "sound ideal."

It hurts me in my heart of hearts to know that they lived such lives of pain and torment, that heroin was their only escape.

We now have so many more tools to help such people.
I wish that Chet (...and Charlie, and so many others) had those tools at their disposal when they were still with us.

How many more gifts could they have shared with us, had they access to the tools we have now?



I can't explore that question... the "what-ifs" hurt too much-

Based on his head coach record which is 29 wins and 52 losses which is terrible and he did not do okay

"We have to save our democracy!!"

Prediction # 4322

So far, 0-4321

Canada has 41 million people. Canada isn't attacking with their entire 180,000 people in the military. Plus, Alberta wants to leave Canada.

Makes sense for him.. Good luck.

Based upon what?

He was a head coach in Detroit. He did ok.

Coaches move around their success is dependent upon many factors. It is not only on the head coach.

The Browns organization knows JS. They should know if he can do it.

I recall something about beggars and being choosy…
We are beggars of the greatest magnitude.

Minter to Ravens

I would agree. Mcdaniels took a coordinator job over a HC job. Granted he took it over a few others as well but I'm gonna guess he didn't think he was going to get an offer from a top choice team. Incidentally, I get it, I'd pick OC for the Chargers over HC for the Browns. Where are you more likely to have success? He probably recognizes that if he's successful with the Chargers, he'll likely get other, better HC offers down the line. He's still young.

The press is on it because there's a narrative about the Browns... and it's not wrong. We're simply not in the running for any coach that has significant alternative options. This is an "end of the line" job. There's lots of reasons for that but chief amongst them is there's no QB and no viable path to a solid, reliable one in the near or mid term. What's more, 2 of the guys we have come with, um,,,, some baggage. I wouldn't even want this Browns job over other years when the Browns job was available. Sorry.

I am meh on Schwartz, he is just not a very good head coach

Honestly, I'm not that disappointed. I understand the optics... but I didn't have either candidate high on my list.

Also, his preferred style of defense doesn't totally fit our personnel (zone-heavy, and he likes to disguise pressure vs generating it from the front).

I feel that if the Browns are going to hire a defensive head coach.

It has to be Schwartz. The defensive players on the Browns love the guy. Schwartz has been a great hire.

The defensive performance proves that. If Schwartz was younger he would be the hot guy to hire.

McDaniel made the decision that fits him now. It is understandable that he resets his market and takes the Chargers job. They are a playoff team with a great QB.

If we can add a OC who can help develop a quarterback and bring an offense that will work for the Browns. Schwartz is the right head coach.

He knows how to run a team and hold players accountable. He brings a brand of toughness.

IMO he would be the safest hire.

I want to make sure we are on the same page. As re-reading my post, I can see possible confusion with a sentence.
What I mean by turned down, is he canceled his interview. Like, he turned down the interview. The point I was just making was the headlines made it seem like we were the only ones being rejected (in this case canceled).

It is very disappointing that Minter and McDaniel have cancelled interviews with the Browns but can you really blame them?

j/c

With the amount of lipstick being used on this pig I'm strongly considering purchasing some stock in L'Oréal.

I think the actual wording adds context here. He did not reject a Browns offer to be head coach. He was not offered and Mentor was not offered either. They were considered for an interview and decided to take their name out of the running to be named head coach. While this does make great headlines all indications are they were also not expected to receive an offer either. The Browns are at least in appearance trying to show they are turning over every stone before making an offer. From what the local media has been hearing the expected offer for head coach was really down to the Jags OC, the Rams passing coordinator, the Bengals OC, and Jim Schwartz. Most of the local media did not think the Browns would hire a Defensive Coordinator at head coach other than Schwartz. From what the local media is saying the Browns are interested in a young offensive coach and hoping to keep Schwartz as DC. The fall back is hiring Schwartz and finding a young innovating OC. The latter is what I am hoping for. More than likely they will hire one of the young offensive minded coaches.

Yes, he had a better offer than the lowest available jobs and rejected them. He considered a job as OC better than the worst HC openings. He took a lower position with less pay to be the OC of the Chargers rather than hitch his wagon at a higher position and more pay with the likes of the Browns or the Raiders.

I'm not sure how him rejecting the worse jobs makes your case. In fact that's the exact case some people are making. Quality candidates will reject a HC job here and anywhere else that would be more of a desperation move than an opportunity given any other better options. That's why crappy teams with crappy owners don't usually land the top candidates.

Absolutely. All you are hearing is the media's version. Who knows what was said behind the scene. Heck, the McDaniel cancel headline was he turned down the Browns. Then you read the article and hiddlen in the middle was of it was...oh btw, he canceled the Raiders and some other team.

Yea, that is why I tried to phrase it as a solid job. He had his moments; he had some rough ones.

Haha

Jesse Minter cancelled his 2nd interview with us.