Re: Deshaun Watson today
10YrOvernightSuccess
10/02/26 09:34 PM
I know this sounds sick but I'm almost counting on him getting injured at some point. I said in another thread (maybe the prediction thread?) a while back that the worst case scenario for this team was DW actually playing like it's a contract year and we end up thoroughly outside of top QB territory and then he just saunters away. The ultimate F U.
I simply cannot imagine us resigning him, from either side. But mostly his side. There's literally zero reason for him to NOT test free agency thoroughly. With all the ugliness of the last 4 years, I just can't imagine him wanting to come back here if he's got a bunch of other choices. Even if it's been great this year with this team, Miami floats a contract and he goes. If he looks like old DW for the balance of the season, he'll have a lot of choices. This is a Browns are damned if he sucks, damned if he plays well situation. This would have been great any other year but this year.
Of course I want to win. And I know how freaking hard it is to find a winner. I loathe the whole story of DW and the Browns. But would I support the team doing it... yea probably. I would be always expecting the other shoe to drop with him. He'd sign and blow his achilles for the third time on the first day of practice. And the league would laugh and laugh and laugh. I would to. Thru the tears.
All we can do is wait. I love winning, I love the energy on the team right now. I know it's important for the young guys to taste this. But I admit I feel mixed. I feel like a guy who's out at 2am tying one on with friends, just going with the flow, having a blast and drinking it up with no end in sight but knowing I got court for a DWI first thing in the morning. Should probably put it to bed, but I'm having fun, so Se la vie!
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 07:00 PM
Do you even bother to read anything before you reply? We have laws to deport people who are here illegally. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for traditional Medicaid, Medicare, or federal Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies.
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Re: Why the Dems?
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 06:42 PM
Jesus never said anything about how it should be paid for at all. He simply said you will be judged by how you treat them. I don't think denying them healthcare is treating them well. Our actions and beliefs are always tied into Jesus.
Talk about illegals? What countries did Jesus say people are from that they should be treated differently than anyone else? What about "welcome the stranger"? We have laws to deport people who are here illegally. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for traditional Medicaid, Medicare, or federal Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies. You can stop with your straw man BS any time now. I know you would love to separate your religious beliefs from your political ones because many of the "Murica!" and "Freedumb!" beliefs are so very unchristian like. That's not the way any of this works.
So if the taxpayers shouldn't pay for their healthcare what do you propose? Letting people die in the streets? A decent person wouldn't even promote denying a dog get medical help when needed. What would Jesus do? How about go back to their own country where they belong. If they want to come here, do it legally. Then they can get a job and work for their health care.
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Re: Deshaun Watson today
oobernoober
10/02/26 06:20 PM
I have no idea and am not a salary cap guru. But the franchise tag costs around 40 million plus I would think they would have to add in the cost of what would be owed to him on his restructured deal which would be about 35 million for the 2027 season. That's 75 million.
Now maybe there's some way around that total but you would need someone far more versed at this than I am to explain how that may work. The only way they would be able to bring him back is to sign him to a multiyear deal and structure it like they did in 2022 where most of the money is back owed, so the majority of that contract hits the cap after the past restructures are done. Then there will be huge cap hits then. It is not impossible but very unlikely. Even with how he is playing, I have a REALLY hard time imagining Berry signing himself up for round 2 of that.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ????
PitDAWG
10/02/26 05:31 PM
President Trump is expected to name Director of National Intelligence Jay Clayton as the White House’s artificial intelligence czar, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Professional Career
• Sullivan & Cromwell: Spent over two decades as a partner at the law firm, specializing in mergers, acquisitions, and capital-raising.
• SEC Chairman (2017–2020): Led the Securities and Exchange Commission during Donald Trump's first presidential term.
• Private Sector: Served as lead independent director for Apollo Global Management and board member for American Express.
• U.S. Attorney (2025–2026): Served as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, where he oversaw high-profile cases like the narco-terrorism indictment of Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro.
• Director of National Intelligence (2026–Present): Nominated by President Trump and confirmed by the Senate to oversee the nation's intelligence community.
It sounds as if he has an extensive career to be an AI czar. Totally qualified and highly versed with a long background in and knowledge of AI.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 04:47 PM
Jesus never said anything about how it should be paid for at all. He simply said you will be judged by how you treat them. I don't think denying them healthcare is treating them well. Our actions and beliefs are always tied into Jesus.
Talk about illegals? What countries did Jesus say people are from that they should be treated differently than anyone else? What about "welcome the stranger"? We have laws to deport people who are here illegally. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for traditional Medicaid, Medicare, or federal Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies. You can stop with your straw man BS any time now. I know you would love to separate your religious beliefs from your political ones because many of the "Murica!" and "Freedumb!" beliefs are so very unchristian like. That's not the way any of this works.
So if the taxpayers shouldn't pay for their healthcare what do you propose? Letting people die in the streets? A decent person wouldn't even promote denying a dog get medical help when needed. What would Jesus do?
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Re: Deshaun Watson today
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 04:37 PM
I have no idea and am not a salary cap guru. But the franchise tag costs around 40 million plus I would think they would have to add in the cost of what would be owed to him on his restructured deal which would be about 35 million for the 2027 season. That's 75 million.
Now maybe there's some way around that total but you would need someone far more versed at this than I am to explain how that may work. The only way they would be able to bring him back is to sign him to a multiyear deal and structure it like they did in 2022 where most of the money is back owed, so the majority of that contract hits the cap after the past restructures are done. Then there will be huge cap hits then. It is not impossible but very unlikely.
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Re: Deshaun Watson today
PitDAWG
10/02/26 04:33 PM
I have no idea and am not a salary cap guru. But the franchise tag costs around 40 million plus I would think they would have to add in the cost of what would be owed to him on his restructured deal which would be about 35 million for the 2027 season. That's 75 million.
Now maybe there's some way around that total but you would need someone far more versed at this than I am to explain how that may work.
Edit to add. A top 10 drafted NFL quarterback makes an average annual value (AAV) ranging from roughly $11 million to over $14 million per year on their initial four-year rookie contract.
That would drive the cost of the QB position to 85 plus million for 2027.
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Re: Why the Dems?
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 04:10 PM
Millions upon millions of children receive medicaid in this country. Millions upon millions of senior citizens on social security receive medicaid on top of their medicare. An estimated 9 million adults working full-time (35 hours or more per week) receive Medicaid due to wages being so low.
Who do you think is paying for that now? Cry me a river!!! If able bodied people would work these problems, go away. People on Social security worked. Those 9 million people are working. Children are in school. Who did Jesus tell you to take healthcare away from? But then again I suppose we could go back to the days before child labor laws and compulsory education by putting all those children to work and force all of those senior citizens back into the work force. Able bodies that do not work should not get their health care paid by governmental means thru tax dollars of those that work. Now let's talk illegals coming here and getting health care paid by American workers. This is not a Jesus topic. Jesus said donate to the poor do not have governments rob workers to take care of the poor.
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Re: Trump Administration's Continued Attack On the Justice System
PitDAWG
10/02/26 03:45 PM
Trump attacks Supreme Court justices he picked for rejecting his push to restrict mail ballots WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Tuesday went after the Supreme Court after it rejected his push to restrict mail-in voting in this year's midterms, saying justices who opposed him were "not the people I interviewed." His social media missive was just the latest in a long history of Trump assailing justices, particularly those he had nominated, who ruled against him on his administration's most prominent initiatives. The president has been publicly furious with the Supreme Court over its decisions against restricting birthright citizenship and his ability to issue tariffs unilaterally. On mail-in voting, the Trump administration had made a last-minute push to have the U.S. Postal Service play a central role in deciding who would be able to receive a ballot. But state election officials argued there was not enough time to make the changes for the Nov. 3 midterm elections — and said their systems were already secure and accurate. The court ruled late Monday in an emergency order that the restrictions would most likely lose in court, at least for this year's election. "The Court's inability and unwillingness to do the right thing for our Country will go down, in a very negative way, in the annals of History," Trump wrote in a lengthy social media post Tuesday. "This Supreme Court is bullied and cajoled by the Radical Left into making decisions that have set America back at least a hundred years."Justices Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas publicly dissented from the order, and Trump on Tuesday called them "legends both." Trump has nominated three of the justices on the Supreme Court — Neil Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh. "These are not the people I interviewed to serve on the United States Supreme Court, they are merely a shell of their original selves," Trump said. He asserted that the court "is costing the United States Trillions of Dollars with shockingly bad rulings that are of such magnitude that it won't be easily possible for our Country to recover or heal."The president has a lengthy track record of attacking judges, often very personally, who issue decisions that go against his wishes, and Trump has long viewed his legal appointments as owing loyalty to the person who nominated them to the bench. So as Barrett, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch ruled against Trump at varying points over the years, the president has not hesitated to go after them publicly, while praising them if they sided with him in a case. Yet this court, led by Chief Justice John Roberts, has ruled in favor of Trump on several of his priorities, most notably the 2024 decision from the court's conservative majority that said former presidents are presumptively entitled to immunity for all official acts. That paved the way for Trump to run for reelection without threat of a criminal trial that year. Trump has opposed mail voting and falsely blamed it for his 2020 election loss. A report by the Brookings Institution published in 2025 found that mail voting fraud occurred in only about four cases out of every 10 million mail ballots cast. Roughly a third of voters use mail ballots, and mail voting has already begun in some states. The decision allows states to continue sending out mail ballots under the same processes they've used for years. On Tuesday, Trump also complained that the decision took too long to issue. "It is not easy for me to write this criticism of the United States Supreme Court - it will likely cost me dearly for years to come - but I feel it my obligation and duty, as President, to do so for the America we love!" Trump said. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ecting-his-push-to-restrict-mail-ballotsSo it really has nothing to do with them doing their actual jobs. The constitution wasn't written to do everything trump wants to do. But somehow this man thinks the SCOTUS should ignore the constitution to do as he wants them to do. And once again if they don't it's somehow the fault of.............. "This Supreme Court is bullied and cajoled by the Radical Left into making decisions that have set America back at least a hundred years.".............. "radical left".
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 03:16 PM
To a great extent I don't disagree with you. The concept is solid and makes perfect sense. The numbers speak for themselves. The execution of it on the other hand is sketchy at best as of now. I don't really care whose name is attached to it as long as the plan is well thought out and we get a clear picture of how said plan wold be executed and operated.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 03:13 PM
Millions upon millions of children receive medicaid in this country. Millions upon millions of senior citizens on social security receive medicaid on top of their medicare. An estimated 9 million adults working full-time (35 hours or more per week) receive Medicaid due to wages being so low.
Who do you think is paying for that now? Cry me a river!!! If able bodied people would work these problems, go away. People on Social security worked. Those 9 million people are working. Children are in school. Who did Jesus tell you to take healthcare away from? But then again I suppose we could go back to the days before child labor laws and compulsory education by putting all those children to work and force all of those senior citizens back into the work force.
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Re: Why the Dems?
FATE
10/02/26 03:01 PM
Same old sad story. I want free health care Try reading this slowly. Nobody is proposing "free healthcare". There is no such thing. What people are proposing is that the federal government be the negotiator for all healthcare services and prescription drugs. The very model you and so may others promote that business uses. Maybe if you paid attention to that reality rather than keep repeating the company line you would understand..... Let's be clear here. Here is how capitalism works. Major corporations wield major buying power and get a huge cut on the products they purchase by purchasing in bulk. The more you buy the more influence you have in pricing with your buying power. That's capitalism #101. Yet when it is proposed that our government uses that very same principal to drive down healthcare costs for all Americans you label it communism. Here is a comparison between us and other developed nations.................... The United States spends the most on healthcare per capita among developed nations, reaching approximately $14,885 per person, which is more than double the OECD average. • United States: $14,885 • Switzerland: $9,963 • Germany: $9,365 • Norway & Other Top Spenders: $9,300–$10,000 range • OECD Average: Nearly $6,000 • Wealthy Country Average (Excluding U.S.): $7,371 On one hand we hear Republicans say one reason they voted for trump is because he is a "successful businessman". Then in the next breath when you say if we used the bargaining power of every person living in The United States to greatly reduce the cost of all prescription drugs, medical tests and services, hospitalizations and surgeries we're a bunch of communists? In doing so when looking at the model most of the developed world uses it would on average cut the cost of our healthcare per person in half. And no we're not that #1 in healthcare. we rank 33rd and behind some of the very nations on the list above. Why should we require 1 person to provide them money so another person can reap the benefits? Simple scenario. I keep what I make, and you keep what you make. Keep the government out of my pockets. I can make much better decisions with my money than the government. DoD... I think you're missing the point... you are already paying 15K per year to support a failing system. That said, we as taxpayers already pay one of every 4 tax dollars for the healthcare of others. That's the very reason many people have a hard time with a government (mostly democrats) saying "hey, this would be a lot better if you just let us handle everything". We have a broken system. It needs to be fixed. Maybe it's one area at a time. Trump and Cuban are helping to shatter the paradigm on prescription drugs. Vocal adversaries worked together to break monopolies and force people to compete. This will be Cuban's greatest legacy; he did all the work in starting costplusdrugs.com. He stuck a big, fat middle finger in the face of Big Pharma and said "the jig is up". I would stand in line with my wallet open for anyone that had an actual plan to spread costs across hospital, pharma and taxpayers for "free" catastrophic health insurance. It's a mortal sin for people to lose everything because of a health event. I will not open that wallet for anyone like Bernie Sanders that just screams "free healthcare for all" with no plan whatsoever.
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Re: Why the Dems?
FATE
10/02/26 02:34 PM
All good, Pit. The whole menu of options is very confusing. I honestly think the confusion is what drives people away from a lot of these investment vehicles. In many cases, it drives them straight into excuses; which they regret later. This (to me) is a no-brainer. The rules are simple and it's a great way to start teaching young minds the value of saving. This is funded through 2028 (the "free money" from donors part), hopefully that can continue in perpetuity. Even if nobody funded another dime to the account, this would be about 400k at retirement. Grandparents: YOU can claim the account and fund it for your grandchildren. YOU can max it out at 5K per year. If you know you'll be moving any kind of wealth downward, this is also exempt from gift tax limits. https://trumpaccounts.gov/
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Re: Why the Dems?
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 02:16 PM
Because less would be "coming out of your pockets". Even if you had private healthcare insurance if the government negotiated all of these costs down healthcare would cost you less. I'm not sure what you are missing about cutting the costs of healthcare in half you are missing. You are paying insurance premiums, co pays and your part of prescription drugs for you and you family. All of these costs are already "coming out of your pocket". Those would go away. It seems to me your issue is not about paying less for your healthcare. It's about who you are paying it to. Why should we require 1 person to provide them money so another person can reap the benefits? I really have no idea what you're talking about. Millions upon millions of children receive medicaid in this country. Millions upon millions of senior citizens on social security receive medicaid on top of their medicare. An estimated 9 million adults working full-time (35 hours or more per week) receive Medicaid due to wages being so low. Who do you think is paying for that now? Cry me a river!!! If able bodied people would work these problems, go away.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 02:11 PM
Because less would be "coming out of your pockets". Even if you had private healthcare insurance if the government negotiated all of these costs down healthcare would cost you less. I'm not sure what you are missing about cutting the costs of healthcare in half you are missing. You are paying insurance premiums, co pays and your part of prescription drugs for you and you family. All of these costs are already "coming out of your pocket". Those would go away. It seems to me your issue is not about paying less for your healthcare. It's about who you are paying it to. Why should we require 1 person to provide them money so another person can reap the benefits? I really have no idea what you're talking about. Millions upon millions of children receive medicaid in this country. Millions upon millions of senior citizens on social security receive medicaid on top of their medicare. An estimated 9 million adults working full-time (35 hours or more per week) receive Medicaid due to wages being so low. Who do you think is paying for that now?
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Re: Why the Dems?
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 01:55 PM
Same old sad story. I want free health care Try reading this slowly. Nobody is proposing "free healthcare". There is no such thing. What people are proposing is that the federal government be the negotiator for all healthcare services and prescription drugs. The very model you and so may others promote that business uses. Maybe if you paid attention to that reality rather than keep repeating the company line you would understand..... Let's be clear here. Here is how capitalism works. Major corporations wield major buying power and get a huge cut on the products they purchase by purchasing in bulk. The more you buy the more influence you have in pricing with your buying power. That's capitalism #101. Yet when it is proposed that our government uses that very same principal to drive down healthcare costs for all Americans you label it communism. Here is a comparison between us and other developed nations.................... The United States spends the most on healthcare per capita among developed nations, reaching approximately $14,885 per person, which is more than double the OECD average. • United States: $14,885 • Switzerland: $9,963 • Germany: $9,365 • Norway & Other Top Spenders: $9,300–$10,000 range • OECD Average: Nearly $6,000 • Wealthy Country Average (Excluding U.S.): $7,371 On one hand we hear Republicans say one reason they voted for trump is because he is a "successful businessman". Then in the next breath when you say if we used the bargaining power of every person living in The United States to greatly reduce the cost of all prescription drugs, medical tests and services, hospitalizations and surgeries we're a bunch of communists? In doing so when looking at the model most of the developed world uses it would on average cut the cost of our healthcare per person in half. And no we're not that #1 in healthcare. we rank 33rd and behind some of the very nations on the list above. Why should we require 1 person to provide them money so another person can reap the benefits? Simple scenario. I keep what I make, and you keep what you make. Keep the government out of my pockets. I can make much better decisions with my money than the government.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 01:52 PM
Same old sad story. I want free health care Try reading this slowly. Nobody is proposing "free healthcare". There is no such thing. What people are proposing is that the federal government be the negotiator for all healthcare services and prescription drugs. The very model you and so may others promote that business uses. Maybe if you paid attention to that reality rather than keep repeating the company line you would understand..... Let's be clear here. Here is how capitalism works. Major corporations wield major buying power and get a huge cut on the products they purchase by purchasing in bulk. The more you buy the more influence you have in pricing with your buying power. That's capitalism #101. Yet when it is proposed that our government uses that very same principal to drive down healthcare costs for all Americans you label it communism. Here is a comparison between us and other developed nations.................... The United States spends the most on healthcare per capita among developed nations, reaching approximately $14,885 per person, which is more than double the OECD average. • United States: $14,885 • Switzerland: $9,963 • Germany: $9,365 • Norway & Other Top Spenders: $9,300–$10,000 range • OECD Average: Nearly $6,000 • Wealthy Country Average (Excluding U.S.): $7,371 On one hand we hear Republicans say one reason they voted for trump is because he is a "successful businessman". Then in the next breath when you say if we used the bargaining power of every person living in The United States to greatly reduce the cost of all prescription drugs, medical tests and services, hospitalizations and surgeries we're a bunch of communists? In doing so when looking at the model most of the developed world uses it would on average cut the cost of our healthcare per person in half. And no we're not that #1 in healthcare. we rank 33rd and behind some of the very nations on the list above.
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Re: Deshaun Watson today
Day of the Dawg
10/02/26 01:44 PM
Can we talk for a sec about what goes down if DW continues showing out and the team continues winning? I know it’s only 4 games and things can get go sideways quick but let’s say it doesn’t and we end up sniffing at the wild card (Baltimore is likely div winner IMO) and DW looks like a real quantity late in the season. What then?
A few weeks ago the idea of resigning him was preposterous. It still feels ridiculous but as every week stacks, things can change. Like I said, it’s still only week 4. But week 8 comes quick and then you’re starting to have thoughts and conversations.
I can’t say I like where those convos go. He could very likely jilt us if we did go to the alter with another ring. I’d just bet money he’d want to test the market. The whole thing feels good right now but I’m trying to take the long view. The more he wins, the wierder this has the potential to become. Yeah, even if he somehow leads the Browns to say a North Division title, he is a free agent after the season ends and I do not see any world where the Browns would Franchise tag him. He would be free to sign anywhere. I would assume the Browns would attempt to resign him before free agency begins in that scenario but if they can't and he wants to leave, he will have his opportunity.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 01:43 PM
My mistake FATE. I thought there was no penalty for rolling a 529 account over to a UGMA / UTMA Custodial Account. That is incorrect. It was my understanding you could take the 529 college fund and roll it over into a UGMA / UTMA Custodial Account if or when you came to the understanding that a child would net be going to college. Or as you put it you didn't want to "force a child into going to college". lol
But that was wrong.
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Re: Deshaun Watson today
10YrOvernightSuccess
10/02/26 01:38 PM
Can we talk for a sec about what goes down if DW continues showing out and the team continues winning? I know it’s only 4 games and things can get go sideways quick but let’s say it doesn’t and we end up sniffing at the wild card (Baltimore is likely div winner IMO) and DW looks like a real quantity late in the season. What then?
A few weeks ago the idea of resigning him was preposterous. It still feels ridiculous but as every week stacks, things can change. Like I said, it’s still only week 4. But week 8 comes quick and then you’re starting to have thoughts and conversations.
I can’t say I like where those convos go. He could very likely jilt us if we did go to the alter with another ring. I’d just bet money he’d want to test the market. The whole thing feels good right now but I’m trying to take the long view. The more he wins, the wierder this has the potential to become.
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Re: Why the Dems?
PitDAWG
10/02/26 01:38 PM
Remember who you are interacting with. Once again you have no intention on being a part of the discussion and only came here to attack me. Seek help arch. Your obsession with me is borderline psychotic. Do better.
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Re: Why the Dems?
Jester
10/02/26 01:00 PM
How about getting rid of Trump Tariffs? How about ending the war with Iran? Seems like two things self imposed by trump making everything substantially more expensive.
The tariffs would be easy to reverse. However because of trump's team's incompetence the Trump War will be significantly more difficult
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Re: Cleveland Guardians 2.0
MemphisBrownie
10/02/26 12:55 PM
Lou Pinella in the early 2000s. Ozzie Guillen in 2011. Maybe John Farrell the year after.
Managers need to ok it, unlike players unless the contract dictates otherwise (aka no trade clause).
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