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He'll just dance around the fact that Trump was called a Russian asset and the media tried to sell us on Trump's Russian collusion for three years straight. Every day, night and in between. ALL of which was found to be false in the investigation. The media sold it as FACT that whole time.

And as you probably know, Guliani had NOTHING to do with Trump's campaign and NEVER met with "Russian operatives. That's 1000% made-up b.s. I suspect he knows that as well, but is never opposed to a well-placed lie.

And yeah, the last lie ignores the fact that NO social media companies allowed discussion of the Crackhead's laptop. All posted links were deleted and the NY Times had their account locked. 50+ intel officials signed their names in blood that it was "Russian disinformation" and then three years later simply said it was a "mistake". Their lies helped convince media they should sequester what turned out to be the 100% truth.

I won't even get deep into the COVID b.s. as it makes wimpy people pee their pants; as evidence by Tweedle's post ^ acting like I called COVID itself a hoax. Still cracks me up that people that consider themselves intelligent adults don't understand (read: refuse to admit) that Coronavirus, which originated in Wuhan -- came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology -- where they were studying Coronavirus and how it could be more easily transmitted to humans. 🤣I suspect these same people would blame a thunderstorm on wet umbrellas.

So, on one hand, we're expected to believe that Russin bots "influenced" the election to a degree that decided the winner, but the FBI creating Russia hoax #2, with Hunter's laptop and the Biden Crime Family, had no effect on the election.

Problem is, nobody does, not even the blind supporters. As we saw at the polls in 2024, Americans are NOT that stupid and are DONE with the b.s.

Do you never ask yourself why the Browns are underperforming under such a long period of time as 25 years?

After years of mismanagement the organization finally decides to hire the two best available in the business to turn this around. They get almost unlimited funds, freedom to do whatever they want and six years later it’s nearly worse than ever.

In any competent organization that kind of results raises serious questions. From supporters up to the owners.
It’s called accountability and is one of the cornerstones for an organization to keep a healthy culture and deliver successful results.

When you see supporters starts to sympathize and in some cases protecting those who took the decisions to this failures then you have the sports equivalent of the Stockholm Syndrome. That’s why I’m arguing that changing the culture is far more important than drafting the best talents.

Look at Myles Garrett. We got the best in the business and still it ment absolutely nothing.

The Browns have zero history of developing great quarterbacks. In fact it’s the total opposite going by results. Kevin Stefanski’s record of developing or coaching his quarterbacks is sensational, the two best ones he had to his disposal his general manager decided to trade away. After both of them making the playoffs.

I like that philosophy. Reward failure and punish success. That’s next level leadership.
The organization lacks experience and the Head coach has a record of making the results worse. What’s the odds to succeed?

RussiaGate: Someone reported it from Overseas and it was picked up... That is just reporting

There was not Russia Hoax 2 o 3 your just making ship up.

Are you gonna try to tell the families of over a million dead that it was a HOAX like Trump and his idiot cronies tried to do.. I bet you swallowed bleach and shined a light up your ass to kill the germs....

The Lab Leak was a Trump thing.. Instead of trying to find a solution, he wanted to place blame... The news reported it...

in terms of Efficacy, what is it you want the news to report. Important agencies within our government and other governments recommended remedies or solutions..., with hundreds dying every freakin day, what did you expect

Social Media needed bitch slapped.. And it does again...

What about Trumps Dementia?

I think I just showed where they are no irrefutable.....


Wanna tell me why 60 minutes pulled that report?

Wanna tell me why an aquisition was approved of a major network only with Trumps approval, wanna explain why anyone that speaks out against trump is suddenly beat on by this Adminstration

Don't give me any [censored] about State TV until you watch something other than FOX or Newsone....

Why are people being fired... Respected journalists, because they won't step in line with the NEW CBS power team.

He spent three years hoping DW would pan out. Doesn’t really matter which quarterback he didn’t draft.

he had a good draft this past spring

Was that the year we drafted Braylon?

Plus Chucky Frye?

GNT. Girl Named Tom.

After they won The Voice, they got on a plane and headed home to see their dad, who was in hospice. He died a day or 2 later.

They wrote this song in his memory. If you listen to the words, it hits home for anyone and everyone that has lost a loved one.

What might be interesting is a list of Qb's he could have drafted but didn't

The more music keeps quitting on me. Here’s a Nova Scotia tube written by the singer herself. She was from Cape Breton.

You build a team around your QB. You don't build a team for a QB you don't have. Unless of course you think you have it right and the NFL has it wrong.

I will leave that to you and Haslam.

I'll watch the draft.

Changing the culture!

Far more important than drafting the “right” quarterback, a new oline or talented wide receivers.
Without trust, loyalty, discipline, drive and accountability this organization will only marginally improve their results with better players.

Andrew Berry has since 2020 drafted, signed, traded or released following quarterbacks. (If something is inaccurate please help me correct it)

Baker Mayfield 2020, 2022 - starting quarterback, traded to the Panthers (Total 19 wins - 14 losses, (11-5 in 2020, 1-1 playoffs)

Case Keenan 2021 - (1-1, no playoff games)
Nick Mullens 2021 - (0-1)

Deshaun Watson 2022 - traded from the Texans (9-10, no playoff games)
Jacoby Brissett 2022 - ? (4-7, no playoff games)

Dorian Thompson-Robinson 2023 - drafted in the 5th round (1-3)
Josh Dobbs 2023 - sign and then later traded to the Cardinals
P.J Walker 2023 - from the practice squad (2-1)
Jeff Driskel 2023 - signed to active roster from the Cardinals (0-1)

Bailey Zappe 2024 to 2025 - signed and released multiple times

Tyler Huntley 2025 - signed and 19 days later released
Joe Flacco 2023, 2025- signed released, signed traded to the Bengals (5-4, 0-1 playoffs)
Kenny Pickett 2025 - traded from the Eagles, traded away to the Raiders
Dillon Gabriel 2025 - drafted (1-5)
Shedeur Sanders 2025 -drafted (1-4)

Names and numbers speak for itself.

The common theme between 2020 and 2025 is the absence of a long term plan. Sign a player with a 230m guaranteed contract isn’t a plan, it’s pure stupidity.
The same thing with the signing and then trading away of Joe Flacco. Pure madness. Neither a short nor a long term plan. It’s so incredibly stupid that the church bells stops on a Sunday.


Where’s the trust?
Where’s the loyalty?
Where’s the discipline?
Where’s the drive?
And where’s the accountability?

We can staple facts on top of each other and the more we discover the worse it gets.
Blaming everything on the Watson deal is to burry our heads in the sand.


Since 2020 almost everything has changed to the worse.
If this organization doesn’t find a way to change culture, establish a long term plan and practice accountability we will have the same discussions all over again in 2030.

There really isn't a pros and cons part of this. Your assertion was in reply to his ability to draft a franchise QB. You really can't dispute the fact this past draft has thus far shown to excellent overall and that he has never drafted a QB in the first round.

Nowhere did I say he would be successful at doing it. I simply said we have no idea because he has never done it before. Does that really sound like I'm claiming he is a draft guru and listing pros as to why he can draft a franchise QB to you?

There is no pissing match to be had here. None of us know one way or the other the answer to that question. If your give a damn was really busted you wouldn't be here. I can see however it is still going to take some time for you to figure that out. I get it though. My passion certainly went down a notch when they signed watson for reasons I made clear at the time and the Browns certainly haven't done anything since to restore it to the level it once was. But just as with you, it didn't break my give damn.

So the FACT that the bipartisan congressional investigations found that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is a hoax? According to who, trump and those whop believe everything he says blindly? You do realize bipartisan means it was found to be true by members of both parties, right? What possible evidence could you have that they were wrong?

Are you saying that Guliani who was working with the trump campaign having a meeting with known Russian operatives wasn't the cause for the part of the investigation looking into any possible involvement by the "trump campaign"? Are you trying to say the investigation wasn't done on the trump campaign but rather trump the individual?

Where has it ever been determined that the Steele dossier illegal?

Do you just puke up words based on your feelings that have no basis in facts?

You sound like a snowflake.

It was not my intention to dispute your post,aas that would only lead to a pissing match.Something I'm not prepared for as my give a damn has been broken again this year.I suspect permanently thistime.
I"m not going to get into the pros and cons of Berry,as I don't believe he will be doing the drafting next year.

Russia was a hoax. The whole thing spawned from the Steele Dosier which was illegal to begin with.

I think as the season plays out the solution becomes clearer. Actually, Sanders has the ball in his court. Win and the Browns will be out of the 2026 QB class. Lose out and either Mendoza or Moore will be the Browns QB next year. I do not see the Browns using both #1's on a QB. Not this year. I think both Mendoza and Moore are better prospects than Cam Ward, so they are both worthy of picks 1 and 2. Simpson is good, but he is not top of the draft good. Maybe an option with the 2nd 1st but not the Browns 1st pick. At picks 1 or 2 whether or not Berry and/or Stefanski are back or not or is someone else is picking the Browns will be taking one of those 2 QBs. If they are picking around 10 because they won a game or 2 then they will probably take a WR or LT.

You can only judge what you see. Since you include every other draft he has ran you too are judging at least two of them before three years have passed. I see you really provided nothing of substance that disputes my post.

I watched part of the game last.

Watching Purdy play I thought why couldn't Shedeur play him? I think he could possibly play in a similar manner.

At the same time the point is until you find out keep trying to find guys.

IMO each draft is unique. No matter who is doing the selecting. The past and present even with the same people making the decisions can still hit or miss.

Until you are sure you got "the man" keep swinging.

You and many others have said that you can't judge a draft for at least 3 years,but in this case you are.
Setting that aside,1 good draft out of what 5 0r 6,doesnot a good GM make.His drafts up to last year have been flat out horrible.But,tackles are tackles,which is true it's just some are much better than others.

That's because you are gullible.

It is a confirmed conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies and bipartisan congressional investigations that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The interference was a "sweeping and systematic" effort ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin with the goals of undermining faith in the U.S. democratic process, harming Hillary Clinton's candidacy, and helping Donald Trump's election chances.

Guliani who was working with the trump campaign in 2016 held a meeting with Russian operatives. This was the reason the "trump campaign", not the lie that it was trump himself, was investigated to have possible ties with Russia.

The only "pressure" placed on social media was to stop spreading conspiracy theories and crazy ideas for Covid cures like trump did to prevent more deaths.

I wish I could hit like. The state-run media is on the left and the lies they spread are believed by the weak minded see post above mine.

It appears there are some things you didn't hear.................

It is a confirmed conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies and bipartisan congressional investigations that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The interference was a "sweeping and systematic" effort ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin with the goals of undermining faith in the U.S. democratic process, harming Hillary Clinton's candidacy, and helping Donald Trump's election chances.

Guliani who was working with the trump campaign in 2016 held a meeting with Russian operatives. This was the reason the "trump campaign", not the lie that it was trump himself, was investigated to have possible ties with Russia.

The only "pressure" placed on social media was to stop spreading conspiracy theories and crazy ideas for Covid cures like trump did to prevent more deaths.

It was not proven that Covid came from a lab leak. It's all speculative from both sides.

Your threshold for facts appears to be very low.

Disclaimer; No Bud Lights were harmed during the making of this video.

GTHOH 🤣

Did you miss Russiagate?
Did you miss Russia hoax #2?
Did you miss Russia hoax #3?
Did you sleep through the COVID era?
... demonizing anyone that implied the (truth) lab leak?
... demonizing anyone with any question about vaccine efficacy?
Did you miss the Biden admin b*tch-slapping all social media into compliance?
Did you miss Hunter's laptop?
What about Joe's dementia?
Do you realize all of the above are irrefutable FACTS??

NOW you want to preach about "State Media"?

I guess the question should be why don't you think Berry can draft a franchise QB? He had an excellent draft last year and I understand why people may ask that question. I mean this franchise has a terrible record at drafting first round QB's. Sometimes that stands out above anything else in our minds.

But the fact of the matter is Berry has never drafted a QB in the first round. I have no idea if he can or not. And since he has never drafted a first round QB before there's really no evidence or track record to base whether he can or not.

I suppose people could use the watson deal as some sort of evidence if they choose to. But none of us really have any idea who the driving force was behind getting watson. It's true it may have been Berry. It's also true it may have been Haslam. If it was Haslam, Berry wasn't responsible for that. He would have simply been following his bosses orders. Since we have no idea how that all went down behind closed doors it's hard for me to place the blame for that on Berry. I'm just not one of those, "well he may have done that" kind of guys.