Re: Quarterback Defined
bonefish
02/27/26 12:32 PM
Willis most likely will end up with the Dolphins. The head coach and GM came from GB.
If Willis is a good prospect. They will get him.
IMO Ty Simpson is in play for the Browns.
Simply put he could be the bird in hand.
The Browns should have a clear picture of Simpson and how he would fit Monken.
He might be available. That of course is not guaranteed. We have no idea how the Browns or other teams see Simpson.
Him being available is based upon what is being said now by others not inside information and what teams views of him really are.
It would not be a surprise to me if the Browns draft Simpson at 24.
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Re: NFLPA Grades
mgh888
02/27/26 11:29 AM
That was a surprise to me.
As was Berry getting a C while KS was a C- ... Stefanski getting a C- really does say a lot in my opinion.
On the one hand players are closer to this than anyone - so their opinions are valid and perhaps shine a light on things we as fans can only normally speculate on. On the other hand, a bit like fans opinions, I am sure winning cures a lot of issues when it comes to Coach/GM/Ownership.
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Re: NFLPA Grades
GMdawg
02/27/26 11:15 AM
For those round here who keep insisting they wish the Browns ownership was as good AS Pittsburghs.  Treatment of Families: F Home Game Field: F- Food/Dining Area: B- Nutritionist/Dietician: B Locker Room: F- Training Room: C Training Staff: B+ Weight Room: B Strength Coaches: B- Position Coaches: B Offensive Coordinator: B+ Defensive Coordinator: C Special Teams Coordinator: A- Team Travel: F Head Coach: A General Manager: C+ Team Ownership: D- Overall Rank: 32
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Re: Halftime show
GMdawg
02/27/26 11:04 AM
Then, some political group threw a tantrum and had what they called an "alternative halftime show" at a location where there was no football game. We both know you can't have a halftime show in a location where there is no game which to perform at halftime. That's called a concert, not a halftime show. Which NIT do you want to pick next?? Now in a purely political move someone is trying to use the power of the government to punish and tarnish the halftime show they threw a tantrum about it the first place. Not the same at all. One had performers I like, the other was not in English and you couldn't have paid me money to watch it. Neither was political for me or for many others. As a reply you are trying to make it sound as if this makes them both the same? Really? Are you really trying to make them sound different? (here have another NIT. )
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Re: Trump urges Republicans to 'take over' and 'nationalize' voting
mgh888
02/27/26 09:00 AM
To be fair, 2/3 of his assertions are at least debatable (the DNC primaries he mentions). Missed this comment. I agree that the Democratic Party interfered and prevented Bernie from being the nominee. I've stated that elsewhere. But when the conversation is about election fraud regarding the voting public - it is disingenuous to bring that to the table as a means to try to validate and present as reasonable a case to Nationalize state voting. The two issues are not in any way the same. Add to that - regarding voter fraud and security - it is observable fact that in cases proven in court [1] All the claims about the 2020 election have been dismissed and some claiming that it was a stolen election have faced MASSIVE fines [2] in individual cases around the country - it is proven that Republicans attempted/have been convicted at least as much, in reality more often, than Dem voters. . . And case in point - another Rep in Pit's post above sentenced. If the conversation is about National Voter integrity - we need to stick to issues concerning the public voting. Not closed institutional voting. The issue with one have nothing to do with the other. On the subject of National Voting integrity and fraud - and the inaccurate claims that the MAGA fanboys spew - Norhtlima posted the most relevant and factual information in his post above. His link is worth posting again and reading if you did not see it: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/05/...J1A.hI0k.nkvkWMjlfUft&smid=url-share
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Day of the Dawg
02/27/26 02:14 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47987931/nfl-2026-report-cards-nflpa-32-teamsInteresting how the Browns players graded their Coaches last season. Kevin Stefanski C-. Lowest graded head coach in the NFL by his players. 32 out of 32. Not to be out done Bubba Ventrone graded a D. Offensive Coordinator Tommy Reese a D+ graded just slightly better than Bubba. Defensive Coordinator Jim Schwartz A- no surprise he graded out the best of all Browns. Owner Jimmy Haslam and General Manager Andrew Berry both graded out as a C by the players. Interesting. Seems like the players might have come to same conclusion as FO. 3 Lowest graded coaches all fired. Stefanski, Ventrone, and Reese.
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Re: Our Economy is Collapsing
superbowldogg
02/27/26 01:59 AM
So I suppose you forgot about trumps stimulus checks or Covid tax cuts? It's funny how some of you have such a selective memory. Well not funny per se. For reference: Trump was in office from January 20, 2017, and his presidency ended on January 20, 2021 He was the 45th president. Biden's was in office from January 20, 2021, and ended on January 20, 2025. He was the 46th president. 45 comes before 46. That means: Biden came into office after Trump's first term. Biden passed his Biden Bucks Bill after Trump was no longer in office. Biden was warned by economists that his bill was too big and would overstimulate the economy. Biden's stimulus overcooked the economy. If someone held a gun to your head, you would think covering your ears would stop a bullet.
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Re: Pentagon threatens to cancel Anthropic contract by Friday if company doesn’t lift safeguards
FATE
02/27/26 01:50 AM
What conversation? You haven't tried to hold a conversation on here for a long time now. I have done tens of billions of dollars in defense acquisitions over the last fifteen years, and I have an unlimited warrant. Unless it pertains to a compelling regulatory or legal requirement for something like ITAR, or avoiding things like counterfeit parts manufactured by adversaries, I have never seen it where we (DoD) mandate a SOW/PRD/clause contract modification and use termination for convenience or termination for default as a stick for a contractor to accept our unilateral modification terms. That's pretty simple coming from someone that has actual experience in the field. At that point I would have thought even you could man up and admit that ends the conversation. I suppose I should have known better.  That's great. Have him tell us when the last time was that he purchased all-you-can-eat artificial-intelligence. You want me to "man-up" to what? To you coming out the fool again? That's literally every time I talk to you. You change the conversation eight-ways to Sunday and then act like you made a point. This thread is no different. Starts with a big hissy fit about canceling a contract, ends with cherry-picking a post from someone in the know... whose very first sentence stated that I was correct. Carry on, little man.
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Re: Quarterback Defined
Homewood Dog
02/26/26 11:38 PM
Anthony Richardson has been given permission by the Colts to seek his own trade. We could probably get him for a late round pick. Does anyone think Monken could do anything with him? Myself I'm not sure but it could be worth a shot.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
bonefish
02/26/26 09:08 PM
There is really nothing to read into.
I am actually surprised he was not fired.
My hope is he gets better. The five years he now has hopefully helps.
On top of the DW failure and other misses. In his position he is witness to others success and failures.
Monken might be able to help Berry in finding a franchise QB. I don't know that I am only hope.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
PitDAWG
02/26/26 08:04 PM
Any person doing any job one would hope that experience will help you get better.
Berry is a young man. The whole DW ordeal and all that has happened since you hope will make him a better GM. Sorry for the confusion. It seemed you were indicating that it took until last years draft for him to learn how to do his job through experience. That would in fact be learning to adjust to the job. If I read anything into it you did not intend that's on me.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
bonefish
02/26/26 07:46 PM
"you seem to indicate it takes five seasons to make "adjustments.
I don't know what you are referring to? Five seasons? Adjustments?
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Re: Pentagon threatens to cancel Anthropic contract by Friday if company doesn’t lift safeguards
PitDAWG
02/26/26 07:36 PM
What conversation? You haven't tried to hold a conversation on here for a long time now. I have done tens of billions of dollars in defense acquisitions over the last fifteen years, and I have an unlimited warrant. Unless it pertains to a compelling regulatory or legal requirement for something like ITAR, or avoiding things like counterfeit parts manufactured by adversaries, I have never seen it where we (DoD) mandate a SOW/PRD/clause contract modification and use termination for convenience or termination for default as a stick for a contractor to accept our unilateral modification terms. That's pretty simple coming from someone that has actual experience in the field. At that point I would have thought even you could man up and admit that ends the conversation. I suppose I should have known better.
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Re: Browns News 6.0
Day of the Dawg
02/26/26 06:48 PM
Yes please on Harrison. He has played waaay below his potential.
41 for 608 while only playing 9 games with more than three targets in '25.
Cards were 23rd passing. Harrison with 5 catches in tight windows, ranking 5th in the NFL in those high-leverage situations.
He needs a change of scenery. 6'3" / 220 with world-class speed... sign me up. If the report is true, I'm guessing Berry is trying to gauge the market to buy low on Harrison, like he did with Cooper and Juedy. Here is my issue with Harrison- I grant him the fact he had Kyler Murray at QB early on in his career, but I really didn't see much of a change once Brissett started playing, unlike Trey McBride. I haven't looked at the full comparison and I know there were some games Harrison was out that made McBride look better but, hell, Michael Wilson was the leading WR in yards, TDs, yards per game, YAC, and overall targets. There were reports going into 2025 that Harrison deliberately put on a little extra weight (to be better at ball contesting and leverage) and that might have made him slower....I don't know. He has been VERY disappointing so far. I'd have a hard time arguing with that. The facts are the facts. I think we became pretty spoiled over the last few years and have forgotten that everyone is not a Ja'Marr Chase or Justin Jefferson. Harrison is measured as generational talent because that's what he was drafted as. We tend to forget that most WRs breakout in year three. He has all the tools. If I could grab him with a 2nd round pick I would see that as less risk, and actual higher certainty, than most players available in the draft. Especially when you consider those "sure things" require a 1st round pick, and in most cases, actually have a lower ceiling if outside the top ten. WR feels like one of the positions that takes time to fully adjust to from college. Travis Hunter sucked until he got injured. McMillan was decent but sporadic in production, Egbuka started off strong but faded away like a fart in the wind, Golden didn't do [censored], Higgins was meh, Burden came on at the end of the season. My problem is, out of all of those guys listed, they all looked better than Harrison's rookie year, at least to me. Minus Golden, maybe. That's my concern.... he's in year three and doesn't have much of a resume compared to the ones that came after. I won't even get into the WRs that were drafted after him in 2024. 2nd round is too much for my blood. A 4th with incentives that make it higher based on production in the following year's draft. I agree with you, with the better teams it definitely takes 2-4 years for WRs to show on the stat sheet. But circumstances dictate it as much as talent does. a) They've already made public comments that Travis Hunter will be exclusively on defense, with possibly a couple of special plays on offense. That experiment didn't last long. b) Egbuka came on strong when the Buccs two best WRs went down to injury. His production started to drop week 11. Chris Godwin game back week 11 and Mike Evans came back week 14. The Buccs saw enough that they are letting Evans go in free agency rather than signing him to his final contract to retire a Buccaneer. c) Golden was drafted into a perfect situation, for Green Bay fans anyway. They are loaded with a talented WR room consisting of Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed, all veterans with 3 or more years experience. Doubs is a free agent this year and Watson is a free agent next year. Green Bay just did what good teams do, they reload BEFORE the cupboard is empty. d) Jayden Higgins was drafted to a team with Nico Collins, Christian Kirk and Tank Dell on it... over 550 yds and 6 TDs is pretty damn good e) Luther Burden, again was drafted to a team that had DJ Moore and Rome Odunze, as well as drafting what turned out to be one of the top TEs in the league in Colsten Loveland before him. Still he managed 652 yds and 2 TDs. Harrison actually had 885 yds and 8 TDs his rookie year.. he regressed in 2025 with QB issues, but aside from Tet McMillan, none of them had the rookie year Harrison did. As for Olave, he has been a bright mark on an otherwise meh team since he joined the NFL. I would take either of these veterans for a 2nd round pick. Obviously I would rather make a trade with a 4th, moving up with incentives in 2027, but I don't think either team is going to do that. If you gave a 2nd for one of these two, it would give you more reason to trade down at #6.. probably getting at the very least a second round pick back. More likely, move several spots and get a 2027 first AND another second either this year or next. As for rookies, I think the only one in this draft that isn't going to need that adjustment is Tate. All others will look like #2 or #3 WRs their rookie year I believe. Some will be drafted by teams that they really are #2 or #3 receivers, others will just need that adjustment period to become better players in the NFL. Personally, I think Desmond Boston will also adjust to the NFL faster than the others, but not the same level as Tate. Carnell Tate and Jordyn Tyson are both outside receivers. Makai Lemon is a slot receiver. Many experts believe that if the Browns draft Lemon, then Monken would see Lemon as Zay Flowers that plays the slot in Baltimore. If they really want to overhaul the receiving core in 1 year, they could trade a 2nd round pick for Harrison or Olave for the outside to pair with Jeudy and draft Lemon with the 6th pick or small trade down and draft Lemon getting maybe a 2nd back in return. That would leave Bond as the designated deep threat and demoting Tillman down to the 5 to battle for a roster spot with Gage and a few others.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
PitDAWG
02/26/26 06:44 PM
The difference we seem to have is that you seem to indicate it takes five seasons to make "adjustments" when I think that's much too long to use that label for it. You think it's an adjustment rather than a pattern the way I do. Last season was a one off. Give me two or three of those in a row and he will have broken that pattern.
Monkin has never been an NFL HC before. That by no means he won't be good at it. It also means he has a lot of questions to answer in that regard. As is usual the media is talking up the move with nothing of substance to base it on but feel good stories and playing a game of connect the dots. I'm not usually one to permit things like that to influence me.
I'm a wait and see mode on the move but also keep in mind this owner and FO's track record of hiring first time NFL HC's. Maybe like in the draft it's past time for that blind squirrel to find a nut this go around. I mean that may help get the odds closer to normal. I wonder what the average is for how many terrible HC's teams hire before they find a good one?
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Re: Browns News 6.0
IrishDawg42
02/26/26 06:10 PM
Yes please on Harrison. He has played waaay below his potential.
41 for 608 while only playing 9 games with more than three targets in '25.
Cards were 23rd passing. Harrison with 5 catches in tight windows, ranking 5th in the NFL in those high-leverage situations.
He needs a change of scenery. 6'3" / 220 with world-class speed... sign me up. If the report is true, I'm guessing Berry is trying to gauge the market to buy low on Harrison, like he did with Cooper and Juedy. Here is my issue with Harrison- I grant him the fact he had Kyler Murray at QB early on in his career, but I really didn't see much of a change once Brissett started playing, unlike Trey McBride. I haven't looked at the full comparison and I know there were some games Harrison was out that made McBride look better but, hell, Michael Wilson was the leading WR in yards, TDs, yards per game, YAC, and overall targets. There were reports going into 2025 that Harrison deliberately put on a little extra weight (to be better at ball contesting and leverage) and that might have made him slower....I don't know. He has been VERY disappointing so far. I'd have a hard time arguing with that. The facts are the facts. I think we became pretty spoiled over the last few years and have forgotten that everyone is not a Ja'Marr Chase or Justin Jefferson. Harrison is measured as generational talent because that's what he was drafted as. We tend to forget that most WRs breakout in year three. He has all the tools. If I could grab him with a 2nd round pick I would see that as less risk, and actual higher certainty, than most players available in the draft. Especially when you consider those "sure things" require a 1st round pick, and in most cases, actually have a lower ceiling if outside the top ten. WR feels like one of the positions that takes time to fully adjust to from college. Travis Hunter sucked until he got injured. McMillan was decent but sporadic in production, Egbuka started off strong but faded away like a fart in the wind, Golden didn't do [censored], Higgins was meh, Burden came on at the end of the season. My problem is, out of all of those guys listed, they all looked better than Harrison's rookie year, at least to me. Minus Golden, maybe. That's my concern.... he's in year three and doesn't have much of a resume compared to the ones that came after. I won't even get into the WRs that were drafted after him in 2024. 2nd round is too much for my blood. A 4th with incentives that make it higher based on production in the following year's draft. I agree with you, with the better teams it definitely takes 2-4 years for WRs to show on the stat sheet. But circumstances dictate it as much as talent does. a) They've already made public comments that Travis Hunter will be exclusively on defense, with possibly a couple of special plays on offense. That experiment didn't last long. b) Egbuka came on strong when the Buccs two best WRs went down to injury. His production started to drop week 11. Chris Godwin game back week 11 and Mike Evans came back week 14. The Buccs saw enough that they are letting Evans go in free agency rather than signing him to his final contract to retire a Buccaneer. c) Golden was drafted into a perfect situation, for Green Bay fans anyway. They are loaded with a talented WR room consisting of Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed, all veterans with 3 or more years experience. Doubs is a free agent this year and Watson is a free agent next year. Green Bay just did what good teams do, they reload BEFORE the cupboard is empty. d) Jayden Higgins was drafted to a team with Nico Collins, Christian Kirk and Tank Dell on it... over 550 yds and 6 TDs is pretty damn good e) Luther Burden, again was drafted to a team that had DJ Moore and Rome Odunze, as well as drafting what turned out to be one of the top TEs in the league in Colsten Loveland before him. Still he managed 652 yds and 2 TDs. Harrison actually had 885 yds and 8 TDs his rookie year.. he regressed in 2025 with QB issues, but aside from Tet McMillan, none of them had the rookie year Harrison did. As for Olave, he has been a bright mark on an otherwise meh team since he joined the NFL. I would take either of these veterans for a 2nd round pick. Obviously I would rather make a trade with a 4th, moving up with incentives in 2027, but I don't think either team is going to do that. If you gave a 2nd for one of these two, it would give you more reason to trade down at #6.. probably getting at the very least a second round pick back. More likely, move several spots and get a 2027 first AND another second either this year or next. As for rookies, I think the only one in this draft that isn't going to need that adjustment is Tate. All others will look like #2 or #3 WRs their rookie year I believe. Some will be drafted by teams that they really are #2 or #3 receivers, others will just need that adjustment period to become better players in the NFL. Personally, I think Desmond Boston will also adjust to the NFL faster than the others, but not the same level as Tate.
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Re: What Now Pt. 2
bonefish
02/26/26 05:43 PM
Any person doing any job one would hope that experience will help you get better.
Berry is a young man. The whole DW ordeal and all that has happened since you hope will make him a better GM.
Monken is an interesting add. I am beginning to like him.
He does not seem to be the type to sugar coat reality.
He might prove helpful in the Browns "never ending search" to find a franchise quarterback.
His experience in college and the pros should be helpful. I mean he was the OC of Weeden at OK state.
His work at Georgia produced championships.
Lamar won MVP's under him.
That frame of reference of what quarterbacks looked like in college and the pros has to help.
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