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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bonefish 06/01/26 07:48 PM
The Rams made a great trade.

They have the pieces in place to win and from their perspective keep winning.

They made the move to get Ty Simpson. They have Stafford. Now they have Myles.

So they swapped Verse for Myles. Gave up what should be a low first rounder in 27. A second in 28 and a third in 29.

No real damage but a great shot to win a Super Bowl.

The Browns gave up the best defensive player in football. In return they have a replacement for Myles to play the position. Other than being younger he is good player but he is not Myles.

A second in 28 and a third in 29. We don't know where the picks will be. Most likely the are low in the rounds.

Honestly, I do not think it was enough. The 28 pick should been a first rounder as well.

I wonder if there were other offers?

Obviously, this trade was made to move up in the 27 draft. IMO we did not get enough for Myles.

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Re: Myles Garrett Traded mgh888 06/01/26 07:40 PM
MG didn't want to be here.
MG has - several speeding tickets over 90 mph? After rolling his care a few years ago.
We all know the chance of the Browns having a viable QB on the roster right now is slim to none. And if slim hasn't already left town, he's getting his tack ready.

All that means you get whatever you can for him. I have to believe that whatever the Rams have offered is the best deal out there with a team MG was willing to accept as a trade partner.

I'm more than happy with the trade even if it might appear to some as we got short changed ... MG is 30. He's got 2 elite years in him. Him might be very good for another 4 after that? He's a freak of nature. But see my first comment above, he did not want to be here and I do not blame him one bit.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Razorthorns 06/01/26 07:40 PM
Just fire Berry now. This trade is horrible. Absolutely horrible. We get a player who doesn't get many sacks. Then we gain picks that are total garbage picks. We didn't even get half the value of Myles. Not even HALF.
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Re: Iran War II Bull_Dawg 06/01/26 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
What I'm stating seems obvious to most. There was no just cause that has been shown for this war at this time. What it seems obvious you are overlooking is that you aren't just arguing this with me, you are arguing this with most of the industrialized world which has their own intel and understanding of the situation. And IF they felt Iran was of extreme imminent danger to themselves and not just Israel, they would have joined us. Something that obvious seems to have escaped you. If, as you have contended, there is a reasonable possibility of Iran deploying a nuclear device to our shores, they could also deploy one to theirs.

You seem to think that because they don't like war or us they would risk some imminent, immediate threat to their own nation and people. So your math isn't mathing.

It appears it's you against the world here. But a lot of the time I think that's just the way you like it.

Yes, it seems obvious to people that follow mass media and don't understand how things actually work.

You assume that we share all of our intel. And you assume others care about a threat to US more than or equal to caring about themselves.

Not actively engaging doesn't mean they aren't watching the situation closely or aren't worried about it. They have more than Iran to be worried about. What's said by politicians in public, isn't what's said in private. Math clearly does not seem to be your strong suit. Nor English.

Nobody sane likes war. Unfortunately, not liking something doesn't mean doing it anyways isn't necessary at times. You can't convince fanatics that what they're doing is wrong with words. We've tried diplomacy, and they made HEU anyway.

It seems the world appears against me to you. I've actually seen more of the world, in all its jacked up monstrosity and also its wonder. There are good people out there. There are also mass murderers. There are a lot of people that are just oblivious.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 06/01/26 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by jeepnstein
What this confirms to me is that the front office doesn't see a long-term QB starter on the roster right now.

I believe a lot if people have felt that way all along. It's easy to get caught up in the moment right after the draft and convince yourself every player drafted was a steal and will be some ultimate answer to a great need your team has. But the odds and the history of the NFL show that far times more times than not that's certainly not the case.

Looking at the investment in draft capital the Browns invested when drafting QB's over the past two drafts, they didn't consider them likely to be the long term answer at the QB position either..
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Re: What If? PitDAWG 06/01/26 07:12 PM
That's fine and that can be debated to death. The thing is it's quite rare for any team not to have a specific QB target in mind if they're choosing in the top 5 which between our record and the Rams pick is what I'm sure they're hoping for. Possibly two choices at the most. It's hard to imagine an "insert name here" scenario.

Coaches and organizations have a scheme in mind they will be running and certain QB's fit that mold much better than others. They evaluate varying strengths and weaknesses according to the tools they feel are most valuable.

The Declaration of Independence doesn't say that all QB's are created equal. naughtydevil

That's simply not the way NFL draft boards are assembled.

There certainly are a bevy of possibilities depending now how this college season plays out.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded jeepnstein 06/01/26 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That's the thing about trades. At first it's how they look on paper and even that's subjective from person to person. Not everyone is going to see it the same way.

But who came out the winner and who came out the loser is determined by the end results.

It's really going to come down to how bad the Browns suck this year because LA is looking to run deep into the playoffs, at least on paper. So our 2027 first plus the additional first from the Myles trade could put us drafting near the top.

What this confirms to me is that the front office doesn't see a long-term QB starter on the roster right now.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded oobernoober 06/01/26 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by DaveyD
Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.

IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 06/01/26 06:59 PM
That's the thing about trades. At first it's how they look on paper and even that's subjective from person to person. Not everyone is going to see it the same way.

But who came out the winner and who came out the loser is determined by the end results.
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Re: What If? IrishDawg42 06/01/26 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I believe there's a difference in getting "a QB" verses getting one of or possibly one of the two QB's you actually believe in and want. Drafting somewhere between 4th and 6th in next years draft may not be enough to accomplish that even if that happens. What I wouldn't want to see happen is the Browns end up being in a situation where they feel cornered into drafting a QB just to draft a QB by being stuck into drafting the 3rd or 4th QB in the draft out of desperation and need.

It's true that they have to hit on the QB they draft no matter which one they draft. But at the same time, when attempting to address the franchise QB position and using such a high investment, you don't want to end up with a participation trophy.

My counter to that is, I'm waiting to see the growth of the QBs this season. As of right now, I have as many as 7 QBs that are high possibility draft commits that would have been the #1 draft pick the past 3 drafts.

2026 Fernando Mendoza
2025 Cam Ward
2024 Caleb Williams

2023 was Trevor Lawrence and he could arguably be in the talk with any of the 2027 prospects...

However, with the previous (3) years, I could see the following candidates being rated higher than any of the #1 overall picks:

Arch Manning, it is inevitable
Dante Moore. Had he came out this year, it's possible he would have been taken before Mendoza. Another year of improvement could cement that rating argument
Julian Sayin. If he improves AT ALL in 2027, he will be in the talks for the #1 overall pick this draft despite his size deficiency.
CJ Carr could vault himself into the #1 overall talk if the Irish go deep in the playoffs.
Drew Mestemaker has been a stud at North Texas. If it translates to Oklahoma State and he prepels them out of football purgatory, he will also be argued as the the top guy.

Those are my probable top 5 and can arguably be talked about as further ahead than the previous (3) #1 overall picks before 2027 season even happens. If they have the seasons many are predicting, it will be hard to argue for any of them being higher rated when they came out of school.

Now to add to that, Jayden Maiava has shown a lot already. If his decision making takes a leap, he could leap any or all of these 5 guys right to the top. Then, John Mateer, Rocco Becht and Darian Mensah have all put themselves into position to improve their draft stock drastically if their decisions to move up in competition to top schools improve what they have already put on film.

This is lining up to be an epic draft of proportions we have never seen before.

I'm not arguing your comment in any way. It is usually not beneficial to "accept" the 3rd, 4th or worse choice at any position, let alone QB. If all the stars align though, we are in a position to see so many QBs that will have people arguing who is even the best one coming out and deserving of the #1 overall pick. Not out of need, but because of their actual talent level.

Sayin is one of the keys here... Manning has the pedigree, the optimal measurements for success and Dante Moore is right there with him. Sayin could be the best of the best, but still drop to the 3rd overall pick only because he measures at 6'1" instead of 6'3"-4".

If the Browns ended up in the 6th pick.. Moving up to the #3 pick might be very doable, depending on who is picking 4th and 5th.

So many dominoes to fall. If the Raiders are the #1 overall pick again, they will probably be LOOKING to move down. If the Titans and/or Giants are still in the top 5 draft picks, there may be a lot of teams to trade with.

Obviously this is just conversation fodder at this point, way too much information to fill in between now and April 2027. I'm just giving some information as to why taking the 3rd or 4th QB in 2027 may have a drastically different meaning than it ever has in the history of the league.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded GMdawg 06/01/26 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Colin Cowherd just said we are also getting a 2nd in 2028 and a 3rd in 2029.


Even harder to believe Cowhead got one right lol
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Day of the Dawg 06/01/26 06:53 PM
So, the Browns got Jared Verse, 2027 1st, 2028 2nd, and 2029 3rd.

I think there are 2 keys here. Will Jared Verse earn a 2nd contract with the Browns in a few years. If he is an all-pro DE that plays for the Browns for 10 years and the Browns either use the draft capitol to find their future franchise QB or use those picks to get 3 more starters that play for the Browns thru a 2nd contract. That will make this trade worth it. Anything short of that if the Rams win a Superbowl will be an "L" for the Browns.

I would expect this next season to end up being the last for Denzil Ward in a Browns uniform. I could see the Browns trading him at the trade deadline now to get more draft capital. They do have the makings of a nice young defense with Verse and Graham up front. Schwesinger at linebacker and hopefully EMW in the secondary. They need to keep Campbell that they have under contract for a few more years and resign Delpit after this season. That move might have just become easier freeing up Garrett cap space.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded PitDAWG 06/01/26 06:48 PM
So what in total did the Browns get from the Rams? How do you know it's a bad trade when you don't even know all of the details yet? Oh, never mind, I know.

I asked someone who said it was a good trade the same question.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Homewood Dog 06/01/26 06:45 PM
Right now it may look that way, but you don't know how the season will play out. Stafford is older and has had some back issues and there may be other injuries although I hope not. We can also package those picks and move up. We have flexibility and a few options.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded bonefish 06/01/26 06:44 PM
I hope there is more.

Rams first and a player who has 14 career sacks. The Rams are on the track to win a Super Bowl.

First rounder is pick 32 or close.

So that pick is going to get us to the top pick QB in 2027?

Right now I am not liking this. Berry traded for DW and now traded the best player in football.

How do we trade Myles if we cannot be sure to have the ammo to get the top QB in the draft.

Parsons brought more?

I just read this:
The rest of the compensation includes a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 third-round pick.

Not enough the way I see it. Not happy.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded MemphisBrownie 06/01/26 06:44 PM
At this point, might as well see what you can get for Denzel.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded DaveyD 06/01/26 06:39 PM
Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded mac 06/01/26 06:38 PM
[quote][Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round draft pick and other draft compensation that is still being negotiated, sources told NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero and ESPN's Adam Schefter./quote]

Not enough from the Rams..!!

The Rams 2027 first round pick will likely be closer to a 2nd round pick than a first round pick.

The Rams are closer to drafting at number 30 to 32 in 2027 which equals a high 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round pick that will be the bannered propaganda fed to the Browns fans and Browns media by Berry and Haslam. Not nearly a trade that is fair and equal for a player of Myles caliber.

The Rams will be giving up a #19 first round (Jared Verse value) and a late 1st round pick in 2027...NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Browns/BERRY...DON'T ALLOW YOURSELVES TO GET SCREWED..!...imo
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Re: Iran War II PitDAWG 06/01/26 06:36 PM
Trump tells CNBC: ‘I don’t care’ if Iran negotiations are over

President Donald Trump on Monday shrugged off the possible collapse of peace negotiations with Iran, telling CNBC, “I don’t care if they’re over, honestly.”

“I really don’t care. I couldn’t care less,” Trump told CNBC’s Eamon Javers in a phone interview midday Monday, saying he thought the protracted discussions “started to get very boring.”

Trump had been asked about the prospect of Iran ending talks with the U.S. in light of reporting earlier Monday that Iranian negotiators would take that step — and also move to “completely block” the Strait of Hormuz — due to Israel’s military operations in Lebanon against the Iran-backed militia Hezbollah.

Asked if the Iranians had told him that they are not going to negotiate further, Trump said, “No they haven’t.”

Trump said that he was “going to ask” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “what’s going on with Lebanon.”

Trump said in a Truth Social post later Monday afternoon that he “had a very productive call” with Netanyahu. “There will be no Troops going to Beirut, and any Troops that are on their way, have already been turned back,” Trump wrote.

He said in the same post that he spoke with Hezbollah “through highly placed Representatives,” and “they agreed that all shooting will stop — That Israel will not attack them, and they will not attack Israel.”

In another post, Trump wrote, “Talks are continuing, at a rapid pace, with the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

In his call with CNBC, Trump said he wasn’t worried about oil prices, which spiked following the report earlier Monday in Iranian state media.

“I think the oil will be dropping like a rock in the very near, you know, the very near distance,” Trump said.

But he also insisted that Americans who understand the importance of halting Iran’s nuclear ambitions will not mind higher gas prices as a result of the war.

“Once you explain that this is all about Iran having a nuclear weapon, people are willing to pay a little bit more,” he said.

Trump asserted that prices at the pump will drop “very quickly.” But he also repeatedly signaled he was in no hurry to restart the stalled negotiations with Iran.

“If they’re over, they’re over. If they’re not, you know, I think they took too much time. Frankly, I thought they started to get very boring,” Trump told CNBC.

Asked if he believed it was time to formally end the U.S.-Iran ceasefire that is nominally still in place, Trump said, “Let’s say I knew exactly what you’re asking ... and I sort of do. Why would I tell you?”

He also said that the U.S.′ NATO allies “should come in and help us out” because they rely on the oil that flows through the Hormuz Strait more than the U.S. does.

“We don’t need it, we have a lot of oil,” he said.

But when asked if he has reached out to NATO to participate in reopening the strait, Trump said, “They would if I wanted them to, but I’m not sure I want them to.”

“We don’t need them. We don’t need NATO. They were very, very weak and very sad, what they said,” Trump said. “They said, ‘We’ll help you as soon as the war is over.’”

Read the full transcript of Trump’s call with CNBC:

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Hello.

EAMON JAVERS

Hello, Mr. President. It’s Eamon Javers here with CNBC. How are you, sir?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Hello, Eamon. What’s going on, Eamon?

EAMON JAVERS

Well, I see that markets are moving on this idea that the Iranians say they’re not going to negotiate anymore, and I wonder if you can confirm?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

What does that mean they are moving?

EAMON JAVERS

Well the oil market, oil prices have moved dramatically more than 8% when that news crossed. So the idea is that oil is going to get more expensive if the war is not going to come to an end, because the Iranians won’t negotiate. Have the Iranians told you that they’re not going to negotiate, or what is your sense?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

No, they haven’t. They told you so, they only want to tell the fake news, Eamon. They only want to tell CNN, which, and you don’t get any more fake than your company. Let’s see I’m just looking at the prices, and oil went up 7%.

EAMON JAVERS

7%, yeah.

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Well, that’s part of being a negotiator, but they don’t have any cards, because a lot of people would be very happy. Stock market is just down a little bit. Yeah, it’s alright.

EAMON JAVERS

Do you think the negotiations are over now, or is this a bluff?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

I don’t care if they’re over, honestly. I really don’t care. I couldn’t care less. If they’re over, they’re over. If they’re not, you know, I think they took too much time. Frankly, I thought they started to get very boring. They were giving us what we needed, but I think I think they handled the negotiations poorly. It took too long. I thought they were tapping us along that’s all. Yeah, they were.

EAMON JAVERS

You think they were stalling for time?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Yeah. I thought that, yeah, I did.

EAMON JAVERS

So, what’s the way forward now? Then, how do you get the strait open now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

I’d say there’s about now, well, the strait is already open. If you think all you have to do is take a look at the many boats that have gone out of there over the last week. You do know that, you know, boats have been leaving, and we have, and we have the blockade, we blockade them, they blockaded the strait, and then we blockaded them, and our blockade is a lot tougher than their blockade. As far as I’m concerned, they can, they can continue to lose $500 million a day, which is what they lose because of the blockade, they can continue to lose that. And so, what is their problem? Their problem is with Israel, right?

EAMON JAVERS

It seems to be, they’re saying that they’re not going to negotiate until Israel stops attacking in Lebanon. Have you, have you talked to Netanyahu about that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

No, but I’m going to ask him what’s going on with Lebanon. Been fighting a long time, they’ve been fighting a long time.

EAMON JAVERS

Are you worried about oil prices—

PRESIDENT TRUMP

No

EAMON JAVERS

Given the apparent breakdown of negotiations? No?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

No, I don’t worry about that, no.

EAMON JAVERS

And why not? Are you confident this will be over in a short time,

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Yeah –

EAMON JAVERS

Or are you confident the oil market can ride it out?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

I think the oil will be dropping like a rock in the very near, you know, the very near distance. I think oil is going to come down very much. You have 1,700 boats right now that are loaded up with oil, and that’s going to be like an oil gusher. So I’m not worried about it at all, and the people understand it, and the only thing I care about, the thing I care about, I care about everything, but the thing I care about most at this point in life is that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. And if they want to try and have a new nuclear weapon, I will blow them up to kingdom come.

EAMON JAVERS

One of the things that we’ve seen is a real concern out there about price of gas among Americans. What’s your message to Americans about the price of gas?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

It’ll go down very quickly as soon as it’s over, and Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. Once you explain that this is all about Iran having a nuclear weapon, people are willing to pay a little bit more, and but it’ll, it’ll happen very quickly, and as soon as that happens, gasoline will get down to $1.85 like it was in Iowa three months ago. I was in Iowa, was $1.85 a gallon, and when it was really getting low.

EAMON JAVERS

And you say when this is all over – so how do you bring this to an end now if negotiations are not happening and the ceasefire is in place? Is there, is it time to end the ceasefire?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Well we will see. Let’s say, let’s say I knew exactly what, you know, what you’re asking to do now, sort of. And I sort of do. Why would I tell you?

EAMON JAVERS

Fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, I think just global markets watch this, and they’re trying to figure out, you know, what’s the end game here.

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Well, I think then NATO should come in and help us out, you know, because they’re the ones we don’t use the strait, we don’t need it. We have a lot of oil, we have more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia combined, times two, so we don’t need the oil, but Europe does. We’re out there doing a service for a lot of other people, primarily because we still don’t think we can. We know we can’t allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon, so that’s why we’re doing it. That’s why I’m doing it.

EAMON JAVERS

Have you talked to anybody in NATO about that? I mean, have they changed their tune on the strait?

PRESIDENT TRUMP

They would, if I wanted them to, but they would. I want them to. We don’t need them. We don’t need NATO. They were very, very weak and very sad. What they said, they said we’ll help you as soon as the war is over. NATO, Europe has lost its way. They have a tremendous immigration problem, and they have a tremendous energy problem, because all they want to do is build windmills all over the place, so anyway.

Well, call me. You can call me tomorrow, and I’ll talk to you about it. Let’s see what’s going on - okay?

EAMON JAVERS

Thank you, Mr. President. Really appreciate your time here.

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Thank you very much.

EAMON JAVER

Okay, bye bye.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/01/trump-iran-war-negotiations-oil-israel-interview.html

So let's wade through to the jest of it.

Trump has no concern that Iran was stopping the peace talks in fact claimed that might be a good thing. “I really don’t care. I couldn’t care less,” and " “started to get very boring.” Which must be why he immediately phoned Netanyahu to address the very reason Iran said they were cancelling the peace talks and according to trump got Netanyahu to back off in Lebanon even rescinding troops headed for Beirut.

Will this man ever say anything that isn't a blatant and obvious lie?
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Homewood Dog 06/01/26 06:35 PM
I think all in all it's a good deal for us. Now we have lots of draft capitol to maneuver in 2027 and a good young player in Verse to boot.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Floquinho 06/01/26 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
WOW!

Even though I thought it was possible.

I am shocked for real.

Honestly. Are you surprised?
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded IrishDawg42 06/01/26 06:33 PM
The "Other" is a 2028 2nd rounder and a 2029 3rd rounder..
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Jester 06/01/26 06:32 PM
Hard to believe that at least one of the picks isn't a 5th rounder shocked
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded Homewood Dog 06/01/26 06:29 PM
Colin Cowherd just said we are also getting a 2nd in 2028 and a 3rd in 2029.
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Re: Myles Garrett Traded 3rd_and_20 06/01/26 06:26 PM
All I can say right now is OMG!!!
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