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Who here actually believe the 2020 election was stolen?

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Good post. Thanks.

I don't want the road shut down; I've found a couple well-placed speed bumps can be very effective.

I agree with nearly everything you said, however, there is an interchangeable response to this:

"Has the fraud that occurred affected the integrity of the elections in question?"

You say "no", I say "not yet".

To me, that's the problem with going down this road, we have no idea what kind of accidents the curves may bring.

Which leads me to the next box in the flowchart, where I ask, what the hell is so hard about requesting an absentee ballot? Is that really some roadblock to your "freedom".

It cracks me up that the same people that say this small amount of fraud is "inconsequential" and "not widespread" scream their heads off that we would be oppressing millions if we just added a step to verify the right people were getting ballots.

That doesn't survive the b.s. test with me.

At the end of the day, I'm all for anything that does it's best to protect 100% sanctity in our elections. All elections. While 100% is nearly impossible, I never want to get to the point where 95% is "good enough". I seriously don't understand how people are so far apart on this issue. I guess because we've been trained to stay far apart and automatically reject any idea from the other side.

The decision could clear the way for Trump's nominee to chair the Fed, Kevin Warsh, to advance toward a confirmation vote in the Senate.

The Justice Department on Friday dropped a criminal investigation into the Federal Reserve and its chair, Jerome Powell, regarding a renovation project at the central bank's Washington headquarters.

"This morning the Inspector General for the Federal Reserve has been asked to scrutinize the building costs overruns – in the billions of dollars – that have been borne by taxpayers," U.S. Attorney for D.C. Jeanine Pirro said in a post on X.

"Accordingly, I have directed my office to close our investigation as the IG undertakes this inquiry."

Pirro added that she would "not hesitate to restart a criminal investigation should the facts warrant doing so."



The inspector general for the Federal Reserve has already reviewed the renovation project, and found no wrongdoing. It was asked again to review the project in 2025 by Powell, amid unrelenting pressure from President Donald Trump and his top allies.

The Inspector General's office said that the review mentioned by Pirro on Friday was not new and that it was continuing to compile the review requested by Powell last year.

"In July of last year, the OIG announced that it was conducting an evaluation of the Board’s building renovation project," a spokesperson said. "This assessment includes our independent analysis of the project’s substantial cost increases and overruns."

"We are actively working to complete our review, and look forward to making the results available to the public and Congress upon completion," the spokesperson added.

Hours later though, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt cast doubt on status of the investigation.

Leavitt described the probe as "not necessarily dropped" but "just being moved over to the inspector general."

"So the investigation still continues," she said. "It's just under a different authority, and that's what you'll continue to see."

The decision could clear the way for Trump's nominee to chair the Fed, Kevin Warsh, to advance toward a confirmation vote in the Senate.

Warsh's confirmation has been blocked by Sen. Thom Tillis due to what the Republican from North Carolina called a "bogus" investigation of Powell.

Tillis and numerous other lawmakers have said it did not appear Powell committed any crime.

South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott, who chairs the panel charged with advancing Warsh's nomination, quickly welcomed the news Friday.

"These serious concerns warrant scrutiny, and I’m pleased this matter is continuing to receive it," Scott said in a statement. "I welcome the Inspector General’s review and expect a full accounting of how these costs spiraled out of control."

Scott also extended an invitation for the inspector general to brief the committee "within the next 90 days."

The Federal Reserve declined to comment on Pirro's announcement.

"American taxpayers deserve answers about the Federal Reserve’s fiscal mismanagement, and the Office of the Inspector General’s more powerful authorities best position it to get to the bottom of the matter," White House spokesman Kush Desai said in a statement.

"The White House remains as confident as before that the Senate will swiftly confirm Kevin Warsh as the next Federal Reserve Chairman to finally restore competence and confidence in Fed decision-making," Desai added.

The criminal probe from Pirro's office centered on the renovation of two historic buildings owned by the central bank.

The Fed, which said that the buildings "have not been comprehensively renovated since their construction in the 1930s," initially pegged the cost for the project around $1.9 billion. However, the cost rose to around $2.5 billion in the years since that first estimate.

The central bank said the cost increases were due to unforseen changes to the plans, the rising cost of raw materials, equipment and labor. It also said that it uncovered more asbestos on the site than expected, as well as a sinkhole.

But Trump and his top political allies seized on the project in an attempt to show that Powell was mismanaging the Fed.

Trump has been pressuring Powell to support a dramatic cut to benchmark interest rates set by the Fed's Open Market Committee since taking office again in 2025. But he has insulted and attacked Powell since long before that, accusing him of setting monetary policy to favor Democrats, among other unfounded claims.

Trump toured the construction site last summer, joined by Federal Housing Finance Agency Chief Bill Pulte, Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee Chair Tim Scott, R-S.C., and other White House officials. During the visit, Trump confronted Powell about the cost, saying that he heard it had risen to "about $3.1 billion."

In a remarkable moment on live television, Powell told the president he was wrong. “I haven’t heard that," he said.

Other White House officials, such as budget chief Russell Vought, had likened the project to the Palace of Versailles in France.

Vought also claimed that Powell was "guilty" of “fiscal mismanagement” at the Fed. The project was first approved by the Fed's seven board members in 2017, a year before Powell became its chair.

The controversy over the renovation project rocked the central bank and the Republican-controlled Senate in early January, when Powell released a rare Sunday evening statement announcing that Pirro's office had served the Fed with subpoenas.

Almost instantly, Tillis announced his block on any Fed nominees.

“No one—certainly not the chair of the Federal Reserve—is above the law,” Powell said in the video release. “But this unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context of the administration’s threats and ongoing pressure.”

On March 13, Chief Judge James Boasberg, of the U.S. District Court for Washington, D.C. blocked the subpoenas served to the Fed from Pirro’s office. In his ruling, Boasberg wrote that “the Government has produced essentially zero evidence to suspect Chair Powell of a crime.”

"A mountain of evidence suggests that the Government served these subpoenas on the Board to pressure its Chair into voting for lower interest rates or resigning," Boasberg added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/justice-dept-drops-probe-federal-reserve-powell-rcna341876

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I don't want to even see watson wearing a Browns jersey again much less wearing one on the field of play. Signing watson to begin with was disgusting the biggest insult to the fan base I've seen in this entire debacle since 1999 and most likely ever.

Love it,,, I went overboard, but you agree.,.....Perfect.

Worry not my friend, I always pack extra life vests!

The really funny thing about not having a plan and not having the intelligence on the matter is incredible. I mean, Iran has a history of not Capitulating. Nothing new. But without someone to bring that up, Hegseth and Trump either didn't know or didn't care because they thought they could puff up their chests and make the cry uncle. Honestly, I'm not really sure which.

Trump and the minions don't or can't grasp that our allies don't really need us. They are stronger with us, but without us, they are formidable. So taking the approach that we can just "Bully" them, is childish and nutty and well, wrong.

You produced no evidence of what you're accusing and yet you still claim you know better than any evidence you have to support it. So instead of just spewing more BS and playing whatabout, present your "evidence".

All you can possibly do is prove that voter fraud is such a small number it has zero impact on the outcome of any election and most of it isn't done using vote by mail. And that it's actually committed pretty evenly among both parties. But hey! Let's use that to change the way people vote. Am I right?

So one thing I want to clarify first is this... this whole conversation was (for the most part) kicked off because of Trump's claims of the 2020 election being "stolen". I'm NOT trying to "...but Trump!" here. I'm merely adding the context.

In order for an election to be "stolen" via voter fraud, that fraud would have to be widespread and even systemic. That is what has been proven, time and time again, to not have happened (in 2020 and any recent election).

Is there fraud occurring? Yes. Is fraud bad? Yes.
Has the fraud that occurred affected the integrity of the elections in question? No.

For all we know ('know' being the key word here), there could be a story breaking tomorrow where there is evidence of widespread and/or systemic fraud occurring in our elections. Until that happens, all we have are repeated studies/investigations where those allegations have been consistently disproven.


In the cases where fraud has been found, those cases are individually prosecuted. I believe this falls to the states, so YMMV, but I believe the penalty is generally a fine and/or jail and/or a change to your voting eligibility.

So to wrap this around to your analogy... no... and I'd go as far as to say there probably is speeding happening on your road at some point. But when you jump from that to deeming your road so unsafe that it needs to be shut down... now we gotta argue.

I'm sorry you couldn't grasp the removal of their enriched uranium and the inspections that kept all of the uranium enrichment down to 300 kg of 3.67% low-enriched uranium. 3.67% enrichment of Uranium-235 is specifically designed for use in civilian nuclear power plants to produce electricity.

The agreement wouldn't have even ended until July of last year by which time they had already enriched a lot of uranium to over 60%. Trump had given them since 2018 to do so. Trump and any other administration would have had years negotiate a new deal without any of what we see now happening had the Obama deal have been left in place.

And on top of all of that, there is zero evidence Iran holds any uranium enriched to over 60% even now. weapons grade uranium needs to be enriched to 90+% to make a nuclear weapon.

Trump started a war that didn't need to happen when it did.

The funny thing is you have more questions to answer here than I do. But unlike me, you won't. No surprise there.

Reinstating the Firing squads

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doj-reinstates-firing-squads-pentobarbital-federal-executions/


DOJ reinstates firing squads, pentobarbital for federal executions
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April 24, 2026 / 1:01 PM EDT / CBS News
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The Justice Department announced on Friday that it would reimplement lethal injection and firing squads as part of the Trump administration's efforts to "strengthen" the federal death penalty.

"Among the actions taken are readopting the lethal injection protocol utilized during the first Trump Administration, expanding the protocol to include additional manners of execution such as the firing squad, and streamlining internal processes to expedite death penalty cases," the Justice Department said in a press release.

The department went on to say these measures would be "critical to deterring the most barbaric crimes, delivering justice for victims, and providing long-overdue closure to surviving loved ones."

President Trump, on the first day of his second administration, signed an executive order directing the death penalty to be pursued "for all crimes of a severity demanding its use," and demanded the attorney general seek the death penalty in cases involving the murder of a law enforcement officer and capital crimes committed by illegal immigrants present in the U.S.

During his first term, Mr. Trump restarted federal executions after nearly a 20-year pause. In 2021, President Joe Biden instituted a moratorium on executions so it could review policies and procedures.

At the end of his term, Biden granted clemency to 37 of the 40 federal inmates facing death sentences, commuting their sentences to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

The three inmates who didn't receive clemency were the man convicted in the 2018 Tree of Life Synagogue shooting, the gunman who carried out a mass shooting in 2015 at Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, and the surviving 2013 Boston Marathon bomber.
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In February 2025, then-Attorney General Pam Bondi lifted the federal moratorium on the death penalty that had been implemented by the Biden administration and ordered federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in appropriate cases.

She instructed federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in the ongoing criminal trial of Luigi Mangione, who is accused of killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, Brian Thompson, in 2024. In January, a federal judge in New York dismissed the federal firearms charges that would have made Mangione eligible for the death penalty.

Soon after Todd Blanche was elevated from the No. 2 job at DOJ to acting attorney general after Bondi's ouster, he authorized the top federal prosecutor in California to seek the death penalty for three alleged MS-13 members charged with killing a victim who was cooperating with authorities.

"The prior administration failed in its duty to protect the American people by refusing to pursue and carry out the ultimate punishment against the most dangerous criminals, including terrorists, child murderers, and cop killers," Blanche said in a statement. "

The department also published a report criticizing the Biden Justice Department for causing "untold harm to the public," for its steps to "weaken, delay and dismantle the death penalty." The report said that in the current Justice Department's view, the use of pentobarbital, the drug used for executions by injection, is not a violation of the Eighth Amendment."

https://time.com/article/2026/03/20/mail-voting-absentee-voter-fraud-trump-claims-research/

There are a lot of studies on voter fraud. It is all very very clear. It is not a democratic or republican thing.

And if I am not mistaken Arizona and another Republican state did exhaustive research into the 2020 election and found NADA.

Again, stating there is no widespread voter fraud is counting. It's based on empirical data and independent studies. The reason everyone says "no widespread votter fraud" instead of "no voter fraud" is because to say there is none would be incorrect and something that people pounce in as a 'gotcha'. Trying to suggest there is postal voter fraud in sufficient frequency to alter the result of any election is an opinion based rhetoric that statistics and research is yet to support. Opinions are fine as I said in a different post, but personally I find it hard to ignore the research and studies.

From the link: Research published by the Brookings Institute in November found that cases of mail-in voting fraud account for merely 0.000043% of all ballots cast by mail, equivalent to roughly four out of every 10 million.

The research focused on four of the five most recent general elections: those in 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022. To make its calculations, Brookings drew on a Heritage Foundation database of election fraud cases that “ended in a finding that the individual engaged in wrongdoing,” identifying cases in which people were charged with fraud related to mail-in voting.

Brookings Institute is considered largely Neutral some slight left bias. Heritage Foundation is firmly right leaning.

We do have evidence. You ignore it all. You say it's not "widespread". It's the same playbook you use when an illegal murders a US citizen, you say they commit less violent crime as a percentage. I told oober the response is always "it's not widespread", and, like clockwork, you respond, "it's not widespread". 😂

It would be no different than if your surgeon removed the wrong arm and someone responded, "surgeons don't usually do that".


Kamala?

Great story, but I think you missed the question... How does this "prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon"?

Substance?? Laural wanted to whatabout Trump and Hardy said I'm in a cult. You want me to provide substance to that??

So your reply is, "Okay, so we have no evidence to show it is happening but how do we know it isn't happening?"

You do realize you can say that in regards to just about anything, right?

And you know there are many safeguards in place but that's still just not enough for you even though you openly admit there's no real evidence of any wide spread cheating?

I have no idea why mail in voting is treated with such animosity when as you have keenly observed there's really no reason for it. Those standing up for mail in voting are the people defending those who are attacking it, not the other way around.

You do realize that people attacking something based on no actual evidence are the people with animosity not those defending something those people have no evidence against, right?

And still no substance.

Strike two and a miss!

Honestly, I'd rather him start the year while the offensive line has to gel together.

There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Except for the people repeating trump's BS of what a terrible deal it was without any substance to back that up other than repeating trump's BS about what a "bad deal" it was. That's all you managed to do.......

Stockpile Reduction: Iran was required to reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium from over 10,000 kg (enough for 8-10 bombs) to no more than 300 kg of 3.67% low-enriched uranium.

Removal of Excess: The vast majority of Iran's stockpile was either shipped out of the country or diluted, according to the Obama White House Archives.

Enrichment Level Cap: The deal capped Iran's enrichment level at 3.67%, which is suitable for civilian nuclear power but far below the 90% required for a nuclear weapon.

Duration: These limitations were designed to last for 15 years.

Declared Facilities: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had 24/7 continuous monitoring via cameras and online enrichment monitors at declared nuclear sites like Natanz and Fordow.

Now let's look at the trump approach.

He told Iran they would undergo continuing talks. Not once but twice they left talks on Friday that were set to resume on Monday and he bombed them over those week-ends. All he has done is show the globe that you can't trust our government to honor its word from one day to the next.

I mean there are two ways to look at this. They either had nothing to speak of in terms of nuclear capability when trump started this war if you believe what trump told you in June of 2025 after he said he "obliterated their nuclear program setting it back many years, even decades" or they were "less than a month away from having a nuclear weapon" when trump started this war with Iran which is the same false flag Netanyahu has been repeating over and over again since the 1990's.

You are a pretty funny guy though. When I try to get an answer to a question about something from you, you throw a fit and claim you don't have to answer anything and that you're not my puppet. Then expect to get an answer from me?

Before we get into this too deep I hope you've taken something for your mood swings.

It's also hilarious that Obama had a much better deal and accomplished more to put Iran's nuclear capability in check and after about 50 billion so far trump hasn't really accomplished anything in that regard. And that was with zero American troops killed or injured during Obama reaching that deal. I hope if noting else that means something to you.

Oh, look, Laurel and Hardy have arrived.

I agree with you more than anyone on "the other side" because I think you're very fair and forthright in your answers.

I have a couple questions; I'll use an analogy first... If there are no speeding tickets written on my road, does that mean everyone is going the speed limit?

"Democrats" constantly say "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". I'm not even sure I know what that means or how it is gauged. To me, it seems like one could name incident after incident (and there are plenty) and the response would be "yeah, but that's not widespread" or "that's such a small percentage, blah, blah, blah". No evidence basically means not to many people are getting caught. And how would they? We can't expect any city to sit there and try to prove or disprove the legality of every single vote they get, can we?

So, do you think there is fraud?
Do you think minor amounts should be deemed acceptable?
Do you agree that open, unchecked, mailing of ballots would make it infinitely easier to cheat than voting in person?

Some of things seem like common sense to me. Of those things, the "other side" responds that I'm being racist or insensitive to those with hardships.

If you want to vote by mail - YOU should be responsibly to make that request. I mean, it's common knowledge that many cities solicit people to vote by mail... and refuse to purge the voter rolls of dead people. Downright refuse, with the same old line "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". They respond with vitriol when the idea of changing how they maintain the rolls is even breached. Should you be able to cast a vote by mail for Uncle Ralph? Probably not. I think sending out thousands, millions of ballots to people that never asking for them is INSANE.

I am 100% against of millions of ballots being sent out across the nation with absolutely no way to judge their validity. Your ballot should be pre-addressed with your name, and you should be on a list of someone that requested that ballot.

I don't think that's asking too much... or "racist".

Please understand. I'm not of the opinion that this is widespread. I think there are many safeguards in place. I just don't understand why some simple, common-sense measures are met with complete animosity.

Genuinely curious in your opinion.

I don’t know why the trump cult cares. The have their Electoral College bought and paid for to bail them out in presidential elections anyways.

lol….You can’t argue with a cult member until they are kicked out of the cult.

Watson has what? Maybe just over 1000 yds passing since joining the team. Bench fodder in my book 3rd QB. He’ll get playing time when the other two go down.