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Yep! I noticed the same thing.

Obviously there is no maybe about it. He was a dud in the pre draft meetings.

Players don't drop like that unless they are found with drugs or something like that near the draft. Prior to that everybody had him highly rated. All of the draft prognosticators make mistakes, but not all at the same time. I don't recall anybody saying Sanders was a late round pick at best.

He went in to the meetings and couldn't answer questions. Team after team dropped him from their draft boards. They put him in the UDFA category.

Attack doesn't have to mean a shot being fired.

No lost soul here. I am fully aware there are internal forces pitting us against each other.

Did you have to sit up for days to figure that out?

Urinal screen. 🤣

What IS that, fate?

The unneeded hero always shows up in the end to save Dawtalkers from evil.

Yes arch, it means the exact same thing.

English is hard. Here's what you said: "At this point steady progress wouldn't stop all the whining anyway."

Might mean the same thing, but as usual, you changed what you said.

In the spirit of inclusivity.................

English is hard. I said "steady improvement" wouldn't stop all the whining. Double check that before you reply this time.

So, let's just keep going down that trail to the "continued factory of sadness."

Christmas song with Brian May from Queen on guitar.

At this point steady progress wouldn't stop all the whining anyway.

Agreed, doing the same thing year after year and expecting different results is insane. There's no team culture, 6-year losing record (43-55), uninspired coaching, and has ruined the careers of two of the best players ever at their positions in the NFL (Thomas and Garrett). Over 30 years of Browns leadership and still can't put together a consistent winning team. To think, there's a team down the road that is about to put together their 20th consecutive season with a winning record. Yea, people bitch about their playoff record saying "Ha". Damn, it sure would be nice to be called a contender for 20 straight years with a winning record. People here keep screaming Super Bowl, how about establishing a yearly winning record first that will put yourself in that position for the run to the Super Bowl - have to learn to win first baby!

Hey, but all you supporters out there, cross your fingers and stay the course. WTH, maybe the Browns can win 4-6 games next year.

In the spirit of the Holiday season........

Mel Kiper is a good example of what we are discussing. You could add Todd McShay and a host of others to that list. But we will have to disagree on that.

You see, other than a couple of months before the draft and during the draft these guys have near zero media presence. That are designated "draft experts". It's like having a part time job. I mean if they are smart enough to know they're nowhere nearly qualified to take such a job and know they would never make it at such a position in the NFL what you're suggesting makes perfect sense to me. And I'm sure many of them do realize that.

But anyone who seriously thinks they're qualified to take such a job I think would do so. I mean otherwise they're stuck in their part time gig a few months a year.

But I do think most of them as well as all 32 NFL teams know that aren't qualified to take on such a job. So to that extent we would be in agreement.

This QB class has really fizzled out from where we were when the College football season started hasn’t it?

I agree with you. Freedom of speech is something we all have and that includes trump. And while I agree with you the biggest problem with that being the case is he has more influence with a single voice than anyone else in America. His hatred and disgusting behavior spreads like an epidemic. Many years ago we had a major discussion about "political correctness" on this very board. My opinion at the time and as I believe has been borne out by the evidence to to be true, is that the term "political correctness" was nothing more than a guise to make civil conversations and debate into nothing more than chaos and nastiness.

That has been shown to be true and since that has been the method they tend to use I in turn fight fire with fire. Being nasty takes no talent. It takes no actual thought process nor does it further discussion or compromise. It's totally counterproductive to try and engage in civil dialogue with people who do nothing but rant nastiness. It didn't use to be that way here. But as I figured would be the case, it ended up that way as it has everywhere else. It's a cutthroat, mindless approach to further division in this country. When you call the media and those who disagree with you "the enemy of the people" you are purposefully making Americans each others enemies.

That's the thing about rights. With great rights come great responsibility. We are now witnessing a time in our society where we still have most of these rights while we have a president that shows zero responsibility when exercising those rights. And it has become down right dangerous because of that.

Pit if any of the media personalities were offered a GM job they probably wouldn’t take it anyway. They’re getting paid well and have it to easy with their current job. They can give their opinion and really don’t have to answer to anyone. They can be wrong and still have a job it’s just an opinion. Take Mel Kiper as exhibit A.

j/c:

Should the Browns pass on college football’s most decorated quarterback? Film Review

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...k-in-the-2026-nfl-draft-film-review.html

We do not. I voted against him, partly for this very reason.

My point was that, IMO, people should absolutely hear what he has to say and then understand what he is (and isn't) all about. As someone that doesn't care for him and his ilk, I'm perfectly fine with him demonstrating how he has no class.

The trouble is that it then falls to the voters to show how they feel.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/

Trump voters showed up at the polls and dems didn't.

I get it. The NFL has no clue what they're doing by not hiring media personalities. All 32 NFL owners keep getting it wrong year in and year out decade after decade by overlooking these men who are as good or better at talent evaluation than the people they hire after exhaustive research and unlimited resources. You have figured out what 32 NFL owners can't. What a wonderful gift that must be.

The local press up here in Quack country are implying Moore is staying at Oregon another year. It’s all speculation, but local sports press tends to have insiders and insight. They all talk like they feel he’s coming back.