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I think this is the root of much of the problems (both parties). We can get distracted with some of the rabbit holes we go down, but ultimately too few of the politicians are not acting 'independently' and with ONLY the best interests of the country at heart.

The biggest problem with Gabriel last year was that he would not push the ball downfield. That was not his college tape at all. Now was that Stephanski or Gabriel we do not know.

The defendable field was known. It was what was in front of the defense.

SS would take the shot and that made him more effective..

Thats the thing ...DG needs a abundance of talent around just to be competent. He simply cannot carry a offense on his shoulders .he cant extend plays . Has all kind of issues
Throwing on the run . Yeah sure keep him on the pocket and let him
Set his feet he can move the ball. But what QB cant do that ?
Theres nothing special about Gabriel. Alot of QBs in college put up numbers like
Gabriel yet fail at the NFL level . He was clearly overdrafted

Wouldn’t it be something if DG comes out of nowhere and wins the starting job. No one including me expected that. I’m not saying that he’d be our FQB just that he’d start this season.

The pendulum swings one way-and then it swings back the other-but the middle class in this country is nothing like it was even in the mid 70-s to mid 80's

There are now about 47% of people in this country that say they are independent compared to 27% D and 26% R.

But they really don't have much political clout-the establishment on both sides is basically locking this down and keeping this a 2-party system to protect themselves.
Most of the grandstanding is political theatre.

But, when there is so much inequality in this country and it is growing every single day-the people that are funneling the money to the politicians are making the rules.

But in years like this, I don't know how much money the musks of the world could spend, the party in charge is looking to take a beating-
And why

Healthcare cost keep going up-and people piss and moan about countries with free healthcare and the waits-I was just told by my doctor that I need my 10 year colonoscpy-He told me the first one whe is really good-I would never get in-it may take a year-so he told me to go to the one he goes to-after they did the initial visit, they told me they would call in 4-6 weeks and they couldn't get me in for 5-6 months cause I don't have a problem. And concerning the rising cost of health care-the trump administration in addressing the rising cost of healthcare proposed a couple weeks ago for the insurance companies to start providing loans and charging interest to people so you can spread out your cost and they can generate additional monies with interest payments.

The war and gas prices-well, that is on trump and he can pay the price.

the impacts of the bbb-it now looks like they are going to do away with the Medicare Part D subsidy next year and there are other changes coming to Medicaid and Medicare And the Scientific community is getting ravaged-by a bunch of ass clowns.

Also, another impact from the bbb-we are going to be running another 1.5 trillion plus deficit this year and have now crossed 40 trillion, however so far with the bbb the corporate taxes have declined about 13% this year, but individuals taxes have been increased by 9%.

The tariff refund-so far about 100 billion of the 166 billion collected has bee distributed-Apple received 2.2 billion, Ford 1.3 billion, many of the large corps were in the hundreds of million of dollars. Thousands of additional corporate entities and supply chain importers have split the remaining portion of the $100 billion dollars-how much did the consumer get back for having to pay the tariffs-nothing, zero, zilch-so you can wipe your butt with the tariff check you thought was coming.

And it keeps going on and on-

Sanders out there making the D shine!

At his point practice means little they are installing the offense.

Wait a week or two when they are supposed to execute the offense in 11 on 11 with pads.

We will not really know until we play real games when defenses are schemed to take away your strengths.

When defenses are moving pre-snap and camouflaging coverages.

When we have a full week practice with the Bills. We will get glimpses of how we match-up physically.

Reports out of Berea say that Watson had the best day of camp of all the QBs. Nathan Zegura said it was his best practice since he has been a Brown.

It’s early August and, once again, the Browns are heading into a season without an NFL-caliber quarterback.

Forget Watson. Every credible report out of camp says the same thing: he’s washed. He can’t read the field, can’t push the ball downfield, and looks like a shadow of the player Houston traded away.

Dillon Gabriel? If he’s starting meaningful games, the season is already over. At best, he’ll spend the second half of the year piling up losses while taking his lumps.

Shedeur Sanders? Slightly better than last year’s QB room, maybe. But according to reports he still holds the ball too long, invites sacks, and kills drives. That’s not a recipe for winning football.

I don’t see any realistic path to competing this year. Until the Browns finally solve the quarterback position, this is just another wasted season.

My one grandson is like that. Monday he begins training as an EMT.

But he loves history and he is really knowledgeable.

I read a ton of historical fiction covering many different periods.

But the way this was presented was super effective in gaining a full perspective of WWII.

I think one bright light is that Monken has been around.

He is football basic 101. You play well. You earn more reps. You stack good tape. You get more chances.

Maybe he will simply come to a conclusion that spells. Gabriel is the best option.

It still remains a long shot. Maybe DW and SS will just play their way to the bench.

Loved it. Wish they would do a Korean War one. Then a Vietnam War one. Then do a Gulf War one.

I love history, I know alot about it. Used to read alot about history. Only subject in school I never had to study for.

I don't know, Bone. It's starting to look like a three-headed monster.

I thought about that yesterday then immediately thought "wow, I wonder what this poop show looks like to rookie Taylen Green??"


I so wish SNL would do a skit "inside the Browns QB room"... it would be priceless. 🤣

Deshaun getting disgusted, Shedeur still non-stop joking and trying to be everyone's friend. Dillon trying to undercover answer all of his girlfriend's non-stop tweets. "Yes, babe... I'm getting first team reps today!" Taylen texting his agent "Is there any way to get out of here? Can I fake a mental breakdown??"

This is not conclusive evidence he will get a chance to be or be the starter, but it does seem to indicate the door isn't closed. I'm not sure at this point Gabriel isn't in contention to be the starter as things are certainly taking an unexpected, by some, development..................

Browns QBs: What could lead Dillon Gabriel back to challenge Sanders, Watson

Dillon Gabriel’s play in Browns training camp is making it difficult to ignore his case to start this season

The biggest storyline entering this season’s training camp was whether Shedeur Sanders or Deshaun Watson would earn the starting quarterback job for Week 1. Unexpectedly, Dillon Gabriel’s name has already started to generate some buzz early in camp and has shifted the conversation slightly. Head coach Todd Monken mentioned to the media that if Gabriel continues to stack good days, he will get more reps. Early reports are showing impressive development from Gabriel.

On the other hand, both Watson and Sanders have received significant criticism for their performances in camp thus far. It’s still too early to draw any conclusions, and plenty can change, but Gabriel’s emergence as a contender is an unexpected development.

At the end of the day, the coaching staff needs to start whoever gives the team the best chance to win. If that ends up being Gabriel based on the product he is putting out on the field day after day in training camp, then the team should start him. Ultimately, if he wins that job, it will mean that he truly proved he deserves to be there.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/cleve...gabriel-back-to-challenge-sanders-watson

Because he is not an NFL caliber QB. Too small to ever be effective.

I am starting to agree more with your points on the back-and-forth we had earlier... though, to me, ANYTHING that helps the establishment lose their grip on their party is a plus in my book. I can understand the worry behind a party being coopted by an extreme slice (seems to be what's happened with R's and MAGA). Bernie has been beating the DSA drum for quite a while. AOC came on the scene a little while ago, and seems to have tempered her platform somewhat (or at least smoothed out the delivery... you don't hear a ton from her like you used to). I'm still not scared of the blue-haired folks in Memphis's posts... they are a vocal minority that do more to undermine folks with a viable platform (not to mention the larger ideas they are fighting for).

Not to be overly-dramatic, but this appears to be happening so far. Let's be honest, all FOUR quarterbacks are likely to play this season. It's the Browns, and our QB room is just that bad. We were bad last year, and all we did was swap Flacco for Green.

The problem doesn't seem to be as much about liking his policies as it does most of his supporters do not care about laws or the constitution in order for them to get what they want.

The entire move to end birthright citizenship is one such example. It was clearly unconstitutional and he tried to end it through executive order. I mean i get it. Many people don't like birthright citizenship. That's certainly a policy issue. But when it gets to the point they think their political leader should be able to change the constitution with the stroke of his pen, that's a different matter all together.

It's not as much about the political policies we endorse. It's about obviously circumventing the law and constitution to get it. Promoting you get your political policies enacted by any means necessary regardless seems to be the new theme in the trump landscape now.

I would just like to remind you that before trump came along you used to claim to stand for certain principals. "The moral majority. Fiscal conservatives. The Christian right. The party of family values. The party of law and order."

Can you tell me how trump embodies any of the things you used to hold so dear?

The issue with Gabriel appears to be he won't get a chance.

The season will start and both DW and SS have to fail convincingly.

He has a long road in a short time to gain ground.

Why focus on the game he had 341 and 3 TD when we came blame him for a game in which he was down 34-0 in the second quarter?

Did you watch the game earlier in the season where he beat Ohio State?