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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/25/25 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Floquinho
Your well known strategy applies to well managed organizations.


I'll just stop you right there. The teams at the top of the draft are teams with the worse records in the NFL. It seems that in Flolandia you think that means they are "well managed orgnaizations".

The rest of your post is just your personal agenda drivel undeserving of a response.

The Browns and the Jets.
There you have them.

They simply don’t know how to develop quarterbacks.

Secondly.
Tell me what is Kevin Stefanski’s strengths?
How does his coaching philosophy benefit the Browns?
Do you think our results lies after six seasons with him in charge?

Give us your verdict.
Is he one of the best head coaches in the NFL?
Average?
More likely bottom ten?

Please shut this discussion down now so we can move on. The floor is yours.
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Re: DOJ, FBI conclude Jeffrey Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide northlima dawg 12/25/25 12:06 AM
The Epstein files on the DOJ website allow you to highlight the redacted text, copy it, and paste it into another document, which reveals what was hidden," one X user wrote."You can also press Ctrl+F and search for Trump ' (with a space) to see his name appear more than 600 times
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Re: CBS News pulls ’60 Minutes’ segment; correspondent blasts ‘political’ decision FATE 12/24/25 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Are you saying that Guliani who was working with the trump campaign having a meeting with known Russian operatives wasn't the cause for the part of the investigation looking into any possible involvement by the "trump campaign"? Are you trying to say the investigation wasn't done on the trump campaign but rather trump the individual?
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Giuliani met repeatedly with Derkach on Dec. 5, 2019, as part of his efforts to gather derogatory information on Biden's Ukraine dealings. Derkach has released what American officials call selectively edited audiotapes of Biden conversations with Ukrainian officials, at least one of which was retweeted by the president.

And there we have it -- Guiliani had nothing to do with the Russia Hoax, and no part in election interference.

Unless, of course, you can find some proof that he purchased a flux capacitor, since the election was a month before these mysterious meetings??

Is that it? Time travel?
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Re: What Now bonefish 12/24/25 09:06 PM
Of course they traded Flacco because of the record and knowing they were out of competing for anything.

I assumed you would interpret what I wrote. I guess I need to clarify.

Why continue with 40 year old Flacco? Two rookies on the team play them and see what they can do.

The plan IMO was and remains to draft a QB.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Floquinho
Your well known strategy applies to well managed organizations.


I'll just stop you right there. The teams at the top of the draft are teams with the worse records in the NFL. It seems that in Flolandia you think that means they are "well managed orgnaizations".

The rest of your post is just your personal agenda drivel undeserving of a response.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 08:20 PM
So is it your claim that DW didn't practice for three weeks? Don't be so quick to let your agenda get the better of you without doing any homework.................

The deadline to activate Watson from the PUP list was Tuesday, when the practice window closed. During the past three weeks, Watson has conducted individual drills and run the scout team offense. He spent the first three months of the season on the list, and the Browns opened his practice window Dec. 3.

"He's done a great job with everything that's been asked of him," Stefanski said. "I've gotten to see him work so hard, whether it's in the training room, by himself in the indoor with the trainers, on the practice field now for the last bit. Just felt like this was the right decision for him and for us. His focus will continue to be to help this football team and continue to get healthy and get stronger and all those types of things."

Now all you need to do is show I ever stated that "he was cleared to play". Don't worry, I'll wait.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47400757/browns-activate-deshaun-watson-pup-list-season

It seems you.................... Never mind. naughtydevil
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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/24/25 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Great idea! Let's build a team that wins 8 games first to make it damned near impossible to draft one of the top tier QB's in future drafts without giving up an arm and a leg.

In case you missed it that's why teams don't build a team for a QB they don't have but instead build a team around a QB. You advocate it be done backwards.

Your well known strategy applies to well managed organizations.
The Browns are unfortunately not one of them.

Any new talented quarterback will be destroyed by Stefanski management so your suggestion works if we change head coach, then I’m with you.
Our lack of a healthy culture and nurturing environment is our main problem with this leadership.

Hasn’t several seasons of total mismanagement learnt us anything?
(an organization on course to 14 losses 2 seasons in a row tells you all you need to know)
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Re: What Now archbolddawg 12/24/25 08:00 PM
Pretty sure DW has been classified as "limited" every week.

But it seems you are a doctor and know he was cleared to play?
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 07:56 PM
You do realize they had Watson practice for three weeks this year before deciding not to elevate him from the PUP list, right?

They made the decision to start the rookies the rest of the season before they traded Flaco, not after. What do you think they did, just traded Flacco with no plan moving forward? You don't think they were aware the only two QB's left they had left on the depth chart once Flacco was gone would be the rookies? You believe they just made that up on the fly after they traded Flacco?

So all this time you have agreed that the reason they were starting the rookies was to help decide if they need to draft a QB and then you suddenly had some epiphany to the contrary? I'm beginning to think you change your mind more often than the wind changes direction.
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Re: What Now bonefish 12/24/25 07:08 PM
This year he was not going to play so they could collect the insurance money.

In addition with the way the year went. Once Flacco was traded. The intention was "let's see Gabriel and Sanders. One for 6 games the other 7 games.

DW coming off a second Achilles was never going to play in 25.

So, now he remains on PUP. Next year with a full year plus of rehab. He will come to camp ready to play.

Because of the financial implications he will not be released.

He will be ready for the first football activities.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
DW was injured over the last two years and would have played if not.

No need for "obviously not."

Happy Holidays.

He's healthy now and he is not playing. Let me guess. Sanders beat him out for the starting spot? naughtydevil

Are you also saying that the main reason they cut both Pickett and Flacco wasn't to see what they had in the two rookies in order to help determine if they needed to draft a QB in this upcoming draft? That they didn't view getting a good look at both of them the overriding factor in helping make that decision? Come on man.

If DW was considered in any way a part of their future plans, why else would they have done that?

I hope you and yours have a wonderful holiday season as well
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Re: ICE PitDAWG 12/24/25 06:40 PM
In major loss for Trump, Supreme Court blocks National Guard deployment to Chicago

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected President Donald Trump’s request to allow him to deploy the National Guard to Chicago to protect ICE agents, a significant and rare loss for the administration on the conservative court’s emergency docket.

“At this preliminary stage, the government has failed to identify a source of authority that would allow the military to execute the laws in Illinois,” the court said in its unsigned order.

The decision, which came over dissents from conservative Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch, was a substantial setback and appeared almost certain to jeopardize deployments of the National Guard in other cities as well.

In a statement Tuesday, a White House spokeswoman said the ruling will not stop Trump’s efforts to enforce immigration laws, protect federal personnel and “safeguard the American public.”

“He activated the National Guard to protect federal law enforcement officers, and to ensure rioters did not destroy federal buildings and property,” White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson told CNN. “Nothing in today’s ruling detracts from that core agenda.”

“This is a significant repudiation of President Trump’s efforts to use federal troops to supplement immigration enforcement especially in Democratic-led jurisdictions,” said Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at Georgetown University Law Center. “It’s hard to see how the administration can continue to use this obscure 1908 authority to try to deploy federalized National Guard troops.”

Vladeck described the decision as “by far the most significant defeat the Supreme Court has handed Trump all year.”

Federal law allows a president to federalize the National Guard when he can no longer execute the laws of the United States with “regular forces.” A debate cropped up during the case about whether that term, “regular forces,” meant the regular military or federal agents, such as those who work for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

In its order, the court said that the term “likely” refers to the standing military. Further, the court said the ability to federalize the guard under the law Trump attempted to invoke “likely applies only where the military could legally execute the laws.” In other words, the court suggested, it does not apply to protecting agents enforcing immigration laws.

“Thus, at least in this posture, the government has not carried its burden to show that” the law at issue in the case, “permits the president to federalize the guard in the exercise of inherent authority to protect federal personnel and property in Illinois,” the court said.

The decision leaves Trump with few options if he wants to continue to deploy soldiers into cities — but not zero options. It appears likely that the president could still invoke the Insurrection Act, for instance, to deploy regular forces to Chicago and other cities. That may be a politically fraught move, however, because it challenges the longstanding prohibition on the military being used for law enforcement.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a conservative who sided with the court’s underlying decision, said he would have done so on more narrow grounds. He agreed that the term regular forces means the US military.

“The court’s legal interpretation, as I understand it, could lead to potentially significant implications for future crises that we cannot now foresee,” Kavanaugh said.

But he said the court’s decision appeared to bind the court’s hands in potentially unforeseen ways. What if, Kavanaugh hypothesized, an angry crowd gathered outside a federal court house threatening to storm the building. If regular military forces could not deploy in time, the decision appears to bar the president from federalizing the National Guard to deal with that situation, Kavanaugh said.

“Nearly 250 years ago, the framers of our nation’s Constitution carefully divided responsibility over the country’s militia, today’s U.S. National Guard, between the federal government and the states – believing it impossible that a president would use one state’s militia against another state,” said Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, a Democrat. “The extremely limited circumstances under which the federal government can call up the militia over a state’s objection do not exist in Illinois, and I am pleased that the streets of Illinois will remain free of armed National Guard members as our litigation continues in the courts.”

Alito, joined by Thomas, wrote that he “strongly” disagreed with the way the court dealt with the case.

“The court fails to explain why the president’s inherent constitutional authority to protect federal officers and property is not sufficient to justify the use of National Guard members in the relevant area for precisely that purpose,” Alito wrote. “I am not prepared at this point to express a definite view on these questions, but I have serious doubts about the correctness of the court’s views.”

Alito argued that his colleagues had “no basis for rejecting the president’s determination that he was unable to execute the federal immigration laws using the civilian law enforcement resources at his command.”

“Whatever one may think about the current administration’s enforcement of the immigration laws or the way ICE has conducted its operations, the protection of federal officers from potentially lethal attacks should not be thwarted,” Alito wrote.

The court’s decision, which landed two months after the Trump administration filed its emergency appeal, came as tensions on the ground at an ICE facility west of Chicago appeared to have eased. The administration told a federal court in a different case weeks ago that “increased coordination” with local police had “reduced the need for federal officers” to engage with protesters at the building in suburban Broadview.

And defense officials announced in November that they were “rightsizing” planned deployments to Chicago, Los Angeles and Portland. The officials said at that time that only about 300 National Guard units from Illinois would remain ready to deploy. Lower court orders have blocked their ability to conduct operations with the Department of Homeland Security.

The court took an unusually long time to resolve the emergency dispute, which the Trump administration first brought to the court in mid-October. Given the unusual amount of back and forth between the justices in Tuesday’s order, it appears likely the court’s conservative majority wrestled with how to resolve the case.

Though the situation on the ground in Chicago quieted, the administration argued in court papers in November that the deployments were still needed.

While the case has been pending, the Justice Department told the Supreme Court, “violent assailants have fired shots at DHS agents, thrown bricks and concrete at barricaded agents, and rammed into their vehicles with trucks.”

In that sense, the emergency appeal remained a major test of the president’s power to mobilize and deploy the guard in American cities.

The court’s decision came weeks after a shooting in Washington, DC, in late November that killed one National Guard member and critically wounded another. The shooting suspect, Rahmanullah Lakanwal, is an Afghan national who previously worked with the US in Afghanistan. Lakanwal has been charged with several crimes including premeditated murder and assault with intent to kill.

Trump is using the National Guard in Washington under a different federal law that was not at issue before the Supreme Court.

Trump had argued that a lower court decision blocking that deployment in Chicago “improperly impinges on the president’s authority and needlessly endangers federal personnel and property,” effectively inserting the courts into the chain of command.

The Supreme Court was asked to take up the issue as the administration was attempting to deploy guard members to multiple cities, including Portland, Memphis and Los Angeles.

A federal district court in Chicago blocked the deployment there in October.

When the feds come to town: In cities targeted by Trump’s immigration crackdown, a shared playbook emerges

US District Judge April Perry, nominated to the bench by President Joe Biden, said the administration overstepped its authority with the deployment given the conditions on the ground. In a lengthy opinion tied to her short-term order, she questioned the administration’s justification for the troops.

Perry pointed to what she described as a “troubling trend” of the administration of “equating protests with riots.” The Chicago-based 7th Circuit largely upheld that decision — allowing the administration to federalize the guard members but not deploy them.

In the Chicago case, Trump had federalized 300 members of the Illinois National Guard to “protect officers and federal property.” Another 400 federalized members of the Texas National Guard were also set to be deployed to the state. The administration said those guard members would serve “solely in a protective capacity” and would not engage in law enforcement.

Under the new arrangement announced in November, about 200 Texas National Guard troops in Chicago were sent home and about 200 more remained on standby at Fort Bliss. Roughly 300 Illinois National Guard troops will remain in the Chicago area.

Though the case was initially speeding through the courts, the justices slowed things down considerably in late October by ordering additional briefing on a technical but important question about what the law means when it allows a president to use the guard to augment “regular forces to execute the laws of the United States.”

Illinois argued that language meant Trump could call in the guard to help the standing military, not civilian law enforcement agencies like ICE. The Department of Justice countered that reading would be counterintuitive since the standing military is generally barred from executing federal law. The state and the administration spent weeks filing briefs and counter briefs addressing that question.

To make its case for the deployments, the Justice Department has relied heavily on a Supreme Court decision from 1827 — Martin v. Mott. The case dealt with Jacob Mott, a member of the New York militia who disobeyed President James Madison’s order to mobilize during the War of 1812. The Supreme Court rejected Mott’s argument that Madison had misjudged the danger and wrote that “the authority to decide whether the exigency has arisen belongs exclusively to the president.”

The states challenging the administration have balked at the suggestion that the protests against ICE agents are akin to an invading foreign army.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/23/politics/supreme-court-blocks-trump-national-guard-chicago

It appears King trump is going to have to make up some other story in order to take over American cities. Even this conservative SCOTUS isn't buying into his current BS.
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Re: What Now bonefish 12/24/25 06:35 PM
DW was injured over the last two years and would have played if not.

No need for "obviously not."

Happy Holidays.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 06:15 PM
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 06:08 PM
Probably the same roll DW has played over the past two seasons. None. The only reason he is here is because it would eat even more cap space if they released him. That's a financial move not a QB decision. I thought everyone was aware of that. Obviously not.

The only "QB battle" there will be is SS and the draft pick. SS in and of himself is a media magnet and drafting a QB won't change that. That was set is stone before the Browns ever drafted him. Watson made that much or more this season. How did he play into the QB decisions for the Browns again? It will be no different next season.
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Re: ICE mgh888 12/24/25 05:51 PM
Irish citizen Donna Hughes-Brown freed from US detention - BBC News https://share.google/O8UoDjq54Fy9imKj4

Legally in the USA detained for two bad checks written for about $100 ...... 10 years ago!!
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Re: What Now bonefish 12/24/25 05:47 PM
DW is on the team and he is guaranteed $46m.

What is his role going to be?

I don't watch Soap Opera's but DW and SS bring something different than your average quarterback battle.

Add a first round pick. I don't see that as a normal pre-season, Camp, and pre-season games.

If we do not draft a quarterback it will still be a media magnet.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 05:39 PM
Great idea! Let's build a team that wins 8 games first to make it damned near impossible to draft one of the top tier QB's in future drafts without giving up an arm and a leg.

In case you missed it that's why teams don't build a team for a QB they don't have but instead build a team around a QB. You advocate it be done backwards.
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Re: The. Dems. PitDAWG 12/24/25 05:36 PM
Oh look, you fond another rando.
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Re: What Now FORTBROWNFAN 12/24/25 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by lampdogg
He spent three years hoping DW would pan out. Doesn’t really matter which quarterback he didn’t draft.

he had a good draft this past spring

He wasn't really in much of a position to draft a QB high other than this year due to trading 3 1st rounders away.

Remember, lots of media and fans thought he should take Sanders at pick 2. Imagine had he stayed at 2, picked SS, not had Mason G, Judkins or another 1st rounder next year.
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Re: The. Dems. MemphisBrownie 12/24/25 05:34 PM
It's getting worse by the day......

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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/24/25 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
Yes I have.

It used to be automatic that rookie quarterbacks did not start. In fact many sat a year and more.

Depending on the team and internal circumstances decisions are made.

Head coaches will play the guy who they believe gives the team the best chance to win. Unless you have a guy like Jerry Jones dictating otherwise.

For head coach is like a prime directive. They are there to win or be fired.

If you believe you know for sure who will be starting for the Browns. Let me know.

The only sensible decision in 2026 is not to draft a quarterback. That's a no brainer.

This roster has so many holes that prioritizing the oline and receivers is a must. First we have to strengthen the protection, make sure that any of our quarterbacks has at least two decent receivers before we even think about who's going to be our long term starter.

2026 will again be a transitional season before this team is ready to compete and challenge for the division title.

Getting a new head coach is also about injecting new blood into the organization. Reset expectations, clear negative thoughts and find some new optimism.
If we're going to play our future games inside a dome we also need to adapt to these new circumstances with a more developed passing game.

In hindsight DSW was traded 8 seasons too early, in a dome he would be much more effective than in a snowy and windy outside environment.
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Re: Christmas tunes PitDAWG 12/24/25 05:25 PM
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/24/25 05:20 PM
You seem to have overlooked what I actually posted.................

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if you draft a QB in the top 5 he will get his shot as the starter at some point.

I never said anything about the beginning of the season or even in his rookie season.

None of that adds up to anything "looking like a soap opera."

DW isn't in any future plans. Sanders and a rookie being in some sort of "battle of the QB's" isn't a soap opera. Rookie QB's have to earn their stripes every time one gets drafted. What you describe as "staring to line up as a soap opera" is the exact same process every team goes through when drafting a rookie QB near the top of the draft.
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Re: CBS News pulls ’60 Minutes’ segment; correspondent blasts ‘political’ decision PitDAWG 12/24/25 05:02 PM
He was working "with the trump campaign". I already pointed that out. You seem to be confusing "worked with" with "worked for". All of the activities outlined were supporting trump's election for president. ..............................

Giuliani met repeatedly with Derkach on Dec. 5, 2019, as part of his efforts to gather derogatory information on Biden's Ukraine dealings. Derkach has released what American officials call selectively edited audiotapes of Biden conversations with Ukrainian officials, at least one of which was retweeted by the president.

Giuliani did not respond to a request for comment. In an interview on MSNBC last month, he downplayed his interactions with Derkach and said he was unaware the man was a Russian agent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...white-house-about-rudy-giuliani-n1243718

You are arguing against well known and readily available facts. I'm not the one playing the part of the monkey here.

So making stump speeches and rallies in support of trump aren't working with the campaign?

Former New York mayor Giuliani rallies Trump supporters in Las Vegas

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...i-rallies-trump-supporters-in-las-vegas/

Rudy Giuliani stumping for Trump

https://www.wkyc.com/video/news/rudy-giuliani-stumping-for-trump/95-2381878

Rudy Giuliani in Central Florida stumping for Trump

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2016/10/31/rudy-giuliani-in-central-florida-stumping-for-trump/

Only in trumplandia..... rolleyes
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