See, here's where things may not be as cut and dry as some would like to make it sound.
Did the Browns bring him in and talk to him before they hired Monkin or did they just call him in and tell him, "This is how it is." and spring it on him without any consultation? Did they sit the two of them down together in a meeting before the hire was made to try and work anything out beforehand?
What makes you think a new HC may not wish to change at least a part of the defensive coaching staff? What makes you think a new HC would just decide he would have no say on the D side of the ball?
You see, I have no idea the way any of this was handled or mishandled as the case may be. But then neither does anyone else jumping to the conclusion this was just some baseless temper tantrum on the part of Schwartz. They are just basing it on a very few facts with zero details of the way all of this went down to provide any context.
Often times it's not the moves a corporation makes as it is the callus and and uncaring way they go about it. For this owner and FO to get respect they have to show the people who have proven they deserve respect, respect as well.
I'm not sure that happened here. But then neither does anyone else. It may be that the way it happened has more to do with the results than what happened. Speaking for myself I certainly don't trust that this owner and FO handled it in the best way possible. If they did it would be one of those very rare times. I certainly don't truat them enough to claim this entire situation rests solely on the shoulders of Schwartz while claiming they had zero culpability.
I predict as in years past, I don’t watch it. It isn’t even for the fans anymore. What does a ticket even cost anymore?
It's free for fans to watch it on NBC at 6:00 P.M. E.S.T.
I can't blame the NFL because wages didn't keep up with ticket prices. NFL games sell out every week. The SB sells out every year. Being an NFL fan I watch games every week and the SB every year.
I'm not so sure I would call someone refusing to be forced into a marriage as temper tantrum. I'm not sure if disappointment means the same thing as the Browns hiring a HC he doesn't want to work with. Let's face it, it's not like Schwartz will have trouble finding another job. And unless I'm mistaken all another team would have to do is add the title of "assistant HC" to the DC title and it would be considered a promotion which the Browns couldn't stop.
Storming out of the office after not getting a promotion (especially if half the details of his exit are true) is absolutely throwing a temper tantrum. He just had to coach the same defense with the same coaching staff for one season and he'd be THE top hire in the next coaching cycle. Instead, he confirmed the decision to NOT hand him the reigns of a franchise. He probably did more to hurt his chances in the next cycle.
I haven't been subtle of what I think about the Patriots. I think Seattle smothers their O from the opening kick, and it gets ugly after the half. I think Darnold gets pulled and the backup gets a few drives in the 4th, along with the victory formation.
I'm surprised that nobody had posted this yet but since nobody else did here goes............
Predict the winner of the Super Bowl. You can add the prediction of the score as well if you so choose and your reasoning for your prediction also if you so choose.
I'm predicting the Seahawks will win. But it's not as easy for me to predict as I first thought it would be.
The Patriots defense is considered a top-10 unit, finishing the season allowing 18.8 points per game (4th best) and ranking 8th in total defense (295.2 yards per game). They are particularly strong against the pass, with some metrics ranking their pass defense 9th (193.5 yards allowed.
The Patriots finished the regular season ranked 3rd in total offense, averaging 379.4 yards per game. They also ranked 2nd in scoring with 28.8 points per game and 4th in passing offense (250.5 yards per game).
I will say that new England's schedule was somewhat weak so I'm allowing for that.
The Seahawks were the #1 ranked overall defense in DVOA and the top-ranked scoring defense (17.2 points per game). Under Mike Macdonald, they lead the league in several key metrics, including 3rd-down conversions (32.05%) and overall defensive efficiency entering the Super Bowl.
The Seahawks averaged 28.4 points per game, ranking as a top-three scoring offense in the league. They finished as the 7th ranked offense in terms of yards per game (351.4) in 2025.
The only places I feel the Seahawks have an advantage an advantage is by having a more experienced QB and more dynamic big play makers.
I think something needs to be done. Some states have perverted the system. Every time new ways to vote have opened, it weakened the creditability of the system.
I don't think the Feds should take over but there no doubt needs to be some standardized reforms that need to be implemented between all the states.
Bottom line is it needs to be tightened, not loosened.
Enjoy your Kool-Aid. It is a problem that does not matter. Except to Trump, to rationalize the fact that he is an a..hole and lost in 2020 to Grandpa Joe.
It's all based on the people in charge combined with a little luck. By a little luck that means first you will need a team that can compete with the top 5 teams in the league. Only the owner and GM can build such a roster and such a team. Only they can assemble a coaching staff that can make the most of such a talented roster.
No, there is noting you, I or anyone else as fans can do to control any of that.
Our fate at the current time lies with the Haslam family and Andrew Berry.
Geez pit, that’s not positive reinforcement, it’s a buzzkiller.
I get that but is it really not accurate that's how things stand at the present time? I mean just look at the posts in this thread. The experiences the fans seem to love and place the most value on are of days gone by. From yesteryear. As things stand today it seems nobody has faith in the ownership. We have no clear QB, no OL worth speaking of and no clear #1 WR.
The best and strongest unit we had faith in just lost its DC. It's just a very murky and cloudy picture moving forward.
So I do believe all we are getting by on as fans are our fond memories and hope.
Anyone watching? I enjoy winter more than the summer olympics. Glad to see NBC finally got into the modern age with streaming coverage. I signed up for peacock and can watch everything, no extra packages to purchase. Now I can ignore all the tv coverage. I like the drone camera that is following the competitors down the course. Avoiding results is the hard part with the time difference.
Womens downhill results
Lindsey Vonn tried to compete with a torn acl. Crashed hard 13 seconds into the course. It was hard to watch. The crowd went silent and you can hear her screaming in pain.
American Breezy Johnson gets the gold. She was the 6th skier in the event. In downhill you only get one run. She goes into first and then has to wait for 30 other skiers to go down and hope they don't pass her.
A bunch of Browns games from the late 70's and late 80's have been popping up on my Youtube suggested watching. I attended a lot of those games and it's awesome watching them again. My God we are so far from what those great teams brought to the table.
I was here. Opening kickoff at 12°, windchill -5°. We were in the sixth row of the dawg pound. Four dudes in the front had their shirts off since halftime. At the beginning of 2OT, someone passed down a flask of whiskey and everyone in the row took a sip. Greatest game I've ever seen live.
What a game that was...one of my best Browns memories ever! Back then I was working every other weekend, and couldn't make that game. Unfortunately, I did make the next one....."the drive" game. What a looooong drive home.
I'm not so sure I would call someone refusing to be forced into a marriage as temper tantrum. I'm not sure if disappointment means the same thing as the Browns hiring a HC he doesn't want to work with. Let's face it, it's not like Schwartz will have trouble finding another job. And unless I'm mistaken all another team would have to do is add the title of "assistant HC" to the DC title and it would be considered a promotion which the Browns couldn't stop.
While your disdain is generally well-earned, I'm not sure this is the best example. Schwartz is throwing a temper-tantrum, when you get down to it.
As someone who was pulling for Schwartz to get the promotion based on the impression that he had grown and tempered his approach from the Detroit days, I gotta say that if this is how you handle disappointment then the Browns top job probably isn't for you.
I think something needs to be done. Some states have perverted the system. Every time new ways to vote have opened, it weakened the creditability of the system.
I don't think the Feds should take over but there no doubt needs to be some standardized reforms that need to be implemented between all the states.
Bottom line is it needs to be tightened, not loosened.
The only people who talk about "weakened credibility" regarding the past few elections are the ones that have Fox News plugged directly into their brains, bypassing cognitive functions and going straight to their mouth. In the years of this recurring "stolen election" clownshow, there have been exactly ZERO substantiated claims.
This is another one of those pillars-of-democracy conversations. If you want real changes to something like this, you have to have real reasons; and you're coming up real short on the latter.
I think something needs to be done. Some states have perverted the system. Every time new ways to vote have opened, it weakened the creditability of the system.
I don't think the Feds should take over but there no doubt needs to be some standardized reforms that need to be implemented between all the states.
Bottom line is it needs to be tightened, not loosened.
Thirty-six states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show some form of identification at the polls. The remaining 14 states and Washington, D.C., use other methods to verify the identity of voters. Most frequently, other identifying information provided at the polling place, such as a signature, is checked against information on file. See NCSL's Voter Verification Without ID Documents.
I doubt that happens and if so, there would be fan backlash, but that would last maybe 2 weeks if he comes out looking great.
That depends on the fan. I will never want a sexual predator as the face of the Browns. Never. Some of us have a line in the sand when it comes to "winning at all costs" and some of us don't.
Ah. TDS. That 12 year old BS every trump supporter repeats when they have no defense for the things he says and does. Somehow they think it makes them smart to blame others for bringing up what a POS trump really is.
What is it you base your belief that "the credibility of the system" has been weakened?
What voter fraud has been uncovered to make you believe that? Throughout this thread it has been shown that states have gone through their entire voter roles checking for verified citizenship. Little to no voter fraud based on citizenship was found. Republicans across this country filed over 60 lawsuits contesting the 2020 election only for those cases to be dismissed, lost and some even dropped their cases before they could come to court.
What more in your mind do you need to see? Other than Trump and his cronies repeating the same lies to you for well over five years now, what could you possibly base you rationale on?
What a looooong drive home.