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Yes, "death to America" being promoted by an unelected Supreme Leader with a lifetime appointment is one of the many reasons that factor into my thinking. His calling us the "Great Satan" is another problematic stance for me. Terrorist supporting religious zealots with Nukes is not something I want to see.

No, Netanyahu hasn't called for the total destruction of Iran. That's more bad propaganda. He's called for dismantling their ballistic missile and nuclear programs, and wants to get rid of the "terror regime." He wants the Iranian people to have a legitimate democracy. It's the Iranian government that advocates for the complete elimination of the Israeli state.

You're the one that insists on only looking at one side of things. I try to balance both. I sympathize with the Iranian people and those in Gaza, but the terrorist supporting theocracy in charge is a step too far for me. Israel isn't trying to wipe out Iran. They just want the constant proxy/terrorist attacks to stop.

The problem is you are not actually seeing it from their eyes. Your projecting your view from what you perceive as from their shoes. They're not you, though. Not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone has the same values and experiences as you. Some people are just "evil"/unapologetically murderous.

Is it dismissive or is it just not really the point of the thread? I see it as a separate issue. But it seems that you want to focus on your "one side of the coin" instead of addressing the actual topic of the thread, which is the war in Iran. You want to start a thread about Israeli genocide, go for it. I'll leave you to it.

No, I don't think our actions create more terrorists than they destroy. I think that's a message that originated as propaganda by terrorists and those that support them, and gained traction to grow out of all proportion with reality. Plenty of people have horrible things happen to them without becoming terrorists. Plenty of people in Gaza had horrible things done to them by Hamas without becoming terrorists in return. Unfortunately, there are terrorists, and something must be done about them. Doing nothing would only allow them to flourish as those in Gaza have learned to their detriment. The Iranian government promotes terrorism intentionally. I have problems with that.

Do I wish we lived in a better world? Sure, but we don't. Do I wish Hamas didn't place military/terrorist infrastructure underneath densely populated civilian areas? Yes. Do I wish there were quick and easy diplomatic solutions to turn "evil" into "good?" Sure, but real life isn't a fairy tale.

Results.

At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters.

The opposite is equally true. When results are poor, nobody wants to hear about increased revenues, brand growth, engagement numbers, or long-term strategies. Every decision is scrutinized, every investment is questioned, and every setback becomes evidence of incompetence.

It really is that simple.

When soccer comes on I am reminded of a Simpson's episode.

Everybody is juiced to watch the game. Then the announcer goes "Taylor passes to Johnson. Johnson passes to Taylor." And it continues with nothing but passes. Then everyone is gone and the passes continue.

I guess if I was raised where that was the game I would be like every soccer fan.

Go Team Go.

You're problem is "God defined". Not everyone is religious. Not everyone believes in your God. And the constitution gives everyone the right to believe as they so choose. This entire "This Country was founded on Godly principles by Godly men" is a false flag argument. What these men knew is that their own forefathers were actually persecuted by the Church of England. They realized just how religion as an institution could be used as a weapon against anyone who didn't believe in or follow their teachings.

That is exactly why they made sure that "freedom of religion" was included in the constitution as well as the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which states that the government cannot establish a national religion or favor one religion over another.

It seems our forefathers disagreed with your entire premise. You still can't seem to figure out that tax payers expecting more of their tax dollars be spent on the people themselves rather than special interests and the wealthy isn't asking for a hand out.

And for someone that called me judgemental you have judged that everyone that doesn't think or believe like you has evil principals. Here's an idea for you. If you oppose gay marriage don't get gay married. That's a rather simple concept. Instead you would rather inflict your own personal moral and Christian beliefs on the whole of society.

I'll ask you again, what rights and freedoms would you lose if every American had healthcare? What rights or freedoms do you lose if other people enter into a gay marriage? Why are you so fixated on the choices of others and your desire to control their choices?

How about lowering those taxes so I can keep more of what I earned? If you earned that money I don't want or deserve what you earned. Same for me. This nation is made up by families. Those families are what makes the nation strong. God defined the family as a marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. That was how it was defined long before we were around. This Country was founded on Godly principles by Godly men. This Country should not be changed now by ungodly people with evil principles. We are not a collective in any sense. Rugged individualism made America great, and it is the best way forward. Work for a living. Hands out is a terrible way to live.

What rights would you be giving up if every American had healthcare? I don't need a handout. I'm not asking for a handout. But unlike yourself I try to think of the better good for all, not just myself. I believe if you check into that book you claim to stand for there may be some lessons included about that. Since you say no thanks to any kind of socialism, make sure to refuse your social security and medicare benefits when you reach that age.

You see, that is where you are so confused. It's Americans who pay the taxes. Requiring your government spend the money they took from you on every day Americans who paid that money in the first place isn't asking for hand out. Spending that money to benefit the American people as a whole isn't asking for a handout. It's asking that you put the people who actually pay those taxes first. Instead you promote the rich get benefited while the rest of us are treated like red headed step children. Nobody is asking that you "take from some to give to others".

You have been programmed. Family values are determined by what family you belong to and what your belief system is. It's not some Christian controlled narrative to demand people live and believe like you do. We as a nation are in fact a collective of all people. And as such we each have the right to think and believe as we choose. Not as you choose. Nobody is asking you to live according to their choices yet you think everyone else should live according to yours. That's some pretty twisted thinking right there.

You can have your hands out hoping for a handout all you want. I say No Thanks to any form of socialism. Your way of thinking comes from the lazy, unmotivated, etc... Lying to try to convince people to give up their rights is not going to work with me. Taking from some to give to others is not right. Makes for a good Robinhood story but that is fantasy land. The collective is wrong in every sense. We are individuals and should work like individuals we should act like individuals and strengthen family values and not the collective.

I'll go with watching grass grow. I did leave it on while working around the house the other day with no immediate impulses to hang myself; maybe I'm turning the corner.

Much like yourself I'm simply not a soccer fan. I have nothing against the sport but I'm just of the age that it was ever really a part of my life growing up. I do however think it's a great thing that it's a sport that is watched around the world and involves the entire globe. Something that actually gives all a common interest to share. It's great that the U.S was selected to host the World Cup and is a big shot in the arm for the economy of the host cities.

From everything I've seen this is little more than a temporary deal that qualifies more like a cease fire extension for 60 days than a peace deal. The "hard parts of the deal" would still need to be negotiated and settled over that 60 day period.........................

U.S. and Iran reach deal to extend ceasefire and open strait

The U.S. and Iran agreed to a framework extending their ceasefire for 60 days, with a formal signing ceremony expected Friday and nuclear talks to follow.

Why it matters: The agreement could reopen the Strait of Hormuz, ease pressure on global energy markets and create a window for negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.

The memorandum of understanding would mark the war's biggest diplomatic breakthrough and buy time for negotiations over unresolved nuclear questions.

The big picture: The agreement is designed to restore shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, which before the war handled about 20% of global oil and liquefied natural gas. But it leaves key nuclear issues to be negotiated over the next two months.

Fully reopening the strait may not happen immediately. Mine-clearing, repairing infrastructure and guaranteeing security could take time before a full return to pre-war shipping volumes.

Driving the news: Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif announced Sunday the framework agreement to reopen the strait and launch nuclear talks after 107 days of war.

President Trump said soon after the U.S. would lift its naval blockade, while Iran was expected to reopen the strait, with more detailed nuclear negotiations to follow.
The agreement was expected to be signed electronically on Sunday after mediation by Pakistan and Qatar, but it was not immediately clear whether that had happened.

What we're watching: Sharif and Iranian officials said the formal signing ceremony would be Friday in Switzerland.

Trump said on Truth Social that the opening of the strait would take place only "upon the signing of the Deal on Friday, for purposes of mine removal."

Iran's Supreme National Security Council said "the war and military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon, will end immediately and permanently beginning tonight."

The statement added: "Negotiations on a final agreement will take place only after the other side has implemented its commitments under the memorandum of understanding."

Breaking it down: The agreement calls for the U.S. and Iran to negotiate over Iran's nuclear enrichment and the disposal of its highly enriched uranium during the 60-day window.

The U.S. will discuss sanctions relief and the release of frozen Iranian funds, with relief expected to be tied to Tehran's compliance.
The ceasefire covers fighting between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon, which flared up again Sunday.

State of play: The agreement comes after a volatile final stretch. Israel struck Hezbollah targets in Beirut hours before the expected signing, prompting Iranian threats to walk away from the deal.

Iran made operational preparations for an attack on Israel, according to U.S. and Israeli officials.
U.S. negotiators, together with Qatari and Pakistani mediators, scrambled to avoid an Iranian attack on Israel that would likely have generated a harsh Israeli response and potentially derailed the deal, but Tehran's officials ended up holding off.

What they're saying: "The Deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran is now complete. Congratulations to all! I hereby fully authorize the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz, and, simultaneously herewith, authorize the immediate removal of the United States Naval blockade. Ships of the World, start your engines," Trump wrote on Truth Social.

Minutes earlier, Sharif posted on X that a peace deal between the U.S. and Iran "has been REACHED," adding: "Both sides have declared the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon."

Sharif said the deal was "now in place."

Iran's deputy foreign minister Kazem Gharibabadi told Iranian media that the text of the memorandum of understanding had been finalized.

Some of the revisions Tehran asked to make in the text of the MOU were accepted after Sunday's escalation in Lebanon, he said.
Gharibabadi said threats from Iran's armed forces "helped facilitate progress in the negotiations" and "contributed to finalizing the text."
He said this advanced several issues that remained unresolved during negotiations. "The armed forces were prepared to deliver a decisive response," Gharibabadi said.
Gharibabadi said the negotiations over the text continued until around 5pm ET. Fifteen minutes later, Sharif announced the deal.

What's next: Sharif said Pakistan and the other mediators would "facilitate a series of meetings this week," followed by technical talks.

The sides have given themselves 60 days to reach a technical agreement on how to down-blend Iran's highly enriched uranium and both freeze and monitor its nuclear program going forward.
That's a tall order given how difficult it was to reach the much less detailed memorandum of understanding.
The U.S. side insists Iran is incentivized to reach a final agreement because sanctions relief and access to frozen funds depend on progress on the nuclear front. Some hawks in the U.S. and Israel worry there will never be a final deal and the war will end with the nuclear questions unresolved.

https://www.axios.com/2026/06/14/us-iran-ceasefire-extended-hormuz-reopen-trump

So far it seems that Iran and the U.S can't even agree what is and what is not included in the current deal that is to be signed later this week.

The actual definition of something isn't lipstick or a pig. I understand that having a "government of the people, by the people, for the people," instead of a "government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations" seems like a foreign concept that appears evil to you.

In case you missed it, this nation is a combination of capitalism and socialism combined as it stands now. Maybe you didn't study that part of history as it pertains to how workers were treated before that. How the elderly were left with no income and no way to support themselves. How most Americans were living in abject poverty and it took three and sometimes more people working full time in the same household just to be able to live. That includes children.

Fear is what they feed you to make you forget what unbridled capitalism looked like. And you eat every course of that meal they serve up to you.

It will be very interesting to see what the peace deal ultimately includes (and doesn't include).

Trump will have to do significantly better than the treaty Obama did with Iran. Trump depicted that as a very low bar, but I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks we are negotiating from a position of strength this time.

Trump told the Iranian people "the hour of your freedom is at hand" prior to the first strikes. I'll be very surprised if there are any clear victories in the upcoming agreement.

No offense to anyone, but ......

Watch soccer or watch paint dry.

Bring on the paint!

You can put lip stick on a pig. But it is still a pig. Same for socialists.

Soccer was not a game I grew up with.

I have never played soccer. The sports I grew up with were boxing, baseball, football, and basketball.

I have tried to watch soccer but other than goals being scored. I don't know any of the fine details of the sport. So it is hard to appreciate what I am seeing.

When I watch baseball. It is the exact opposite. I know baseball on a coaching level. I know the absolute minutiae of baseball.

It seems hard to understand that you can play soccer and the game can often end in a tie. It seems like a contradiction to competition.

But the sport has a massive audience. So, I guess it doesn't matter.

Lots of running and passing on a giant field with no standard for size.

When I try to watch soccer. I drop out early. I wish our team well and have a close friends from Morocco and France that I will root for.

Loving the World Cup so far, don’t watch much soccer, but love watching the World Cup!

USA looked the best I’ve ever seen them play. Spain plays shortly, most oddsmakers have them winning it all. Bring on ALL the games.

A democratic socialist is a political advocate who believes that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, rather than to maximize profits for corporations and the wealthy. Oh the horror!

There have been so many lies called out by these "legitimate sources" that have been posted on here you are hilarious.

I will say this again. You seem to think that Iran saying "death to America" for over 47 years now is a justification for war. At least you have mentioned it as over and over again.

Yet Netanyahu has been calling for the total destruction of Iran for over 3 years now. Netanyahu has nukes. Iran doesn't. If you were in that same position wouldn't you think that your nations survival may hinge by making sure you had nukes too? I know "I don't particularly concern myself with how other people see things." is one of your talking points and that is a convenient talking point to help you avoid answering a bunch of "complicated issues", but at the same time if you never look at both sides of the coin you never see the entire picture.

I'm with you to the point I don't want to see Iran get nuclear weapons either. But I try to see things from a world view, from behind everyone's eyes and not just my own.


Wow. That's a pretty dismissive way of bypassing the reality that Netanyahu carpet bombed entire civilian neighborhoods purposefully slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza. Some might even call that genocide. So yeah, I get how you "wouldn't like it". It sounds a lot like some of the very acts you say qualify others to be called terrorists. Like I said before, who the terrorists are, are in the eye of the beholder. It seems you look at it from the view if one side does it "you don't like it". When the other side does it they are terrorists.

And lastly, don't you think our actions in Iran, and actually over the past few decades in the middle east, would create more terrorists than it would destroy? I think one needs to ask themselves if you had nothing to do with being a part of a rogue government or any terrorist organization and a nation carpet bombed your neighborhood or was directly responsible for killing your wife and children, what would you be willing to do in order to get even then? And how would you feel about the country that supplied those bombs knowing what would be done withe them?

Sometimes the actions of our government and the government of Israel makes the very things they claim to be trying to wipe out by using a war machine only increase and multiply the problem.

I pegged Bond early last year as possible superstar. He passes that eye test. We could jump from weak to top 10 in the WR dept.

Rando is the go-to. Everyone on Twitter is a rando, even if they are legit journalists, even if the post contains indisputable facts.

And when you post these tweets-you're spamming the board. Just look above ^ that's Memphis "spamming" even though those are factual posts backed by video evidence (unfortunately, we can't verify the DNA of the people in the video).

Also, you're in an echo-chamber. Actually anybody with a right-leaning thought is in an echo chamber.

Socialism is the wave of the future bro, wake up!
Just don’t hit the snooze button, or someone else will claim your bed!

We get it. You consider anyone that doesn't support unbridled capitalism or supports U.S. policies that are good for all the people are your enemy. What a sad admission.