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Cleveland Browns Coach Mike Pettine talks to Terry about everything from texts to trades to fans -- Terry Pluto (photos) | cleveland.com
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BEREA, Ohio -- When Mike Pettine talked about the need to "play like a Brown," the Cleveland Browns head coach knew what was coming.

"Until the Browns win, people are going to make fun of it," he said. "We know that."

Pettine doesn't care. He can't care. He has to stay fixated on what he thinks can fix the Browns.

But he has real compassion for the fan base that hasn't seen a playoff win since 1994, or a winning season since 2007.

"Given the history here, it's not fair to ask Browns fans to take a leap of faith," said Pettine. "We have to show it. We have to earn it. We're beyond selling something. We have to earn the right for them to put hope in us."

It was early Friday morning when I met Pettine in his office. The opener against the New York Jets was two days away.

Pettine was finishing up a week when General Manager Ray Farmer started his four-game suspension. And a week when offensive line coach Andy Moeller was suspended indefinitely for an ugly incident involving a woman that is being investigated by the Berea police.

Also, 2014 third-rounder Terrance West was traded to Tennessee for a conditional seventh-round draft pick. It was virtually giving away a guy who wasn't "playing like a Brown." Or at least, West was not playing like Pettine wants his Browns to play.

And Terrelle Pryor was cut, surprising most of the local media and fans who had high hopes for the former Ohio State quarterback trying to learn to play receiver.

"I learned a lot of things last year (as a rookie head coach)," said Pettine. "But it starts with 'expect the unexpected.' You can plan for training camp. You can plan a roster. You can plan for the draft, for a season and for a game. But it's never going to go exactly how you plan."

Especially with the Browns.

PLAYING LIKE A BROWN

Pettine wants his players to "have that 'Play like a Brown' mentality. They need to be accountable, competitive and mentally tough."

Which brings us to the decision to trade West.

"It was difficult not seeing Terrance make progress," said Pettine.

But he did see it in West's fellow running back, Isaiah Crowell?

"We did," said Pettine. "Crow made tremendous progress in pass protection, in running the right routes, in catching the ball."

He paused.

"We learned we can trust Crow," he said.

Then Pettine talked about trust in the football sense.

"It's being in the huddle and looking at the guy next to you and knowing he knows where to line up," he said. "It means knowing he'll do the job to the best of his ability. When I'm in the huddle and a guy doesn't do those things, that's extra mental baggage for me to carry."

Pettine didn't say it, but his actions screamed that even though West has talent (673 yards rushing as a rookie), he could not be trusted to carry out the assignments.

Meanwhile, fellow 2014 rookie Crowell earned the trust. Like West, Crowell was benched during the season for some poor practice habits. But he learned from that.

PETTINE AND FARMER

I asked Pettine if he needed to "repair" his relationship with Farmer after all the stories of texting during games came out.

The coach quickly said "repair" was the wrong word.

"It's unfortunate that it happened," he said. "It was born out of Ray's competitiveness."

Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.

"He played in the league," said Pettine. "He's a football guy. I don't want this division between the player personnel and the coaches."

Pettine talked about how their relationship grew, and how Farmer now has a better idea of the kind of players that Pettine needs.

"You can talk about it, and you can even look at video," said Pettine. "But where you really can tell is when you watch a team play."

Pettine said the Browns are prepared to go on without Farmer for the four games with Executive Chief of Staff Bill Kuharich filling in.

"Bill and Ray have been joined at the hip," said Pettine. "It's not like we're a rudderless ship, or that I have to step into a void and make personnel decisions. When I'm talking to Bill, it's like I'm talking to Ray."

Pettine appreciates how Farmer has said, "My job as GM is to make the coaches successful."

Owner Jimmy Haslam set up the organization where Farmer is in charge of the 53-man roster. Pettine picks the 46 who are active on game day. He says it's a good system because the roles are clear.

THE QUARTERBACKS

Pettine said that other than Steve McNair (Baltimore, 2006), he has not been with a team with an exceptional quarterback. The Ravens were 13-3 that year,and McNair was coming to the end of his career.

"I was with Baltimore when Joe Flacco was a rookie," said Pettine, meaning that Flacco was just learning the league. He was not the accomplished quarterback that he is today.

With the Jets (2009-12), it was Mark Sanchez. With Buffalo (2013), it was E.J. Manuel. Last year with the Browns, it was Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel.

"You have to work within your circumstances," said Pettine. "Do we have an elite quarterback? No. But you can still win games if you build it right around the quarterback. I don't think you should just throw resources (drafts, trading players) just to get any quarterback because you need a quarterback."

Pettine said Josh McCown "is our answer now as we continue to develop Johnny (Manziel)."

He added that Manziel is "doing much better, headed in the right direction. He's not there yet, but I feel much better about him."

Pettine praised McCown for the 36-year-old veteran's ability "to teach those young guys how to prepare for games."

McCown models what the coaches preach.

THE COACHING STAFF

When Pettine was hired, he was able to bring in five coaches whom he had known before. Four of them were on defense.

"That gave us a head start," he said.

When he was looking for an offensive coordinator, he interviewed the man who now has the job -- John DeFilippo.

But in 2014, Pettine decided to hire Kyle Shanahan instead of DeFilippo, who had never called plays in the NFL.

"I was a rookie head coach," said Pettine. "I was breaking in a rookie defensive coordinator (Jim O'Neil). I knew I would be heavily involved with the defense, so I went with Kyle. He had been a coordinator for six years."

Pettine said he has "no regrets" about hiring Shanahan. He didn't know him before they worked together.

"It unraveled a bit at the end and Kyle didn't want to be here," said Pettine. "We let him go (to Atlanta). It's a hard enough job with guys who want to be here."

While DeFilippo was the runner-up to Shanahan in 2014, Pettine did not immediately turn to the Oakland quarterback coach. Pettine said he interviewed several experienced coordinators such as Chan Gailey and Mike Martz.

He also planned to be more involved with the offense this season. His coaching staff really liked DeFilippo. Pettine and DeFilippo had worked together with the Jets in 2009.

"With Flip, if I come into a meeting, it won't be him thinking, 'Who is this guy forcing himself into what we are doing?'" said Pettine. "We'll work together."

Pettine admitted that he was not happy with quarterback coach Dowell Loggains, who was fired and now has that same job with Chicago.

He talked about the quarterback room "being a better place." He explained how DeFilippo and new quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell give more assignments to the backup quarterbacks.

"It's beyond them being ready to play," he said. "I want them (the backups) like quality control guys. One week, they'll look at our red zone packages. Another week, something else. I want them fully engaged and accountable. We are getting that this year."

JOB SECURITY

Pettine laughed when I said that Romeo Crennel was the last Browns coach to have the job for more than two years. Crennel was here from 2005-08. Since then, it's been Eric Mangini (2009-10), Pat Shurmur (2011-12), Rob Chudzinski (2013). Pettine took the job in 2014.

"People ask me about job security," he said. "They ask me if I need to get to eight wins or whatever. You know what I want right now? I want to be 1-0 (beating the Jets). That's how I think, win each game."

But don't all the coaching changes cause pressure?

"The most pressure comes internally," he said. "I'm not going to make the 'safe move' just to help keep my job or whatever. I don't think like that. I make the moves that I think will help us win."

CAN IT CHANGE?

"No one wants to hear that it's a process and it takes time," said Pettine. "How do we get this turned around quick, that's what we talk about. Given the draft, free agency and all the rules, the NFL is built so you can turn things around quickly."

Pettine said that nearly every year, a team that finished last in its division the previous season wins it the next year.

"It usually happens at least once," he said. "That's why we say internally, 'Why not us?' We talk about breaking off the rear-view mirror. We don't want to go into the season with the burden of past failures."

Pettine knows that the scoreboard is the final judge and jury, and that the fans have earned their right to be skeptical. Since Pettine and Farmer joined forces in February of 2014, the team has only 19 players left from previous regimes. That's 34 new players in 19 months.

"When I was hired here, I spent a lot of time talking to (former coaches) Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells," said Pettine. "They are vastly different personalities and they have different opinions about a lot of things. But they both almost said, word-for-word, 'If you want to change the culture, change the people.' We've been doing that."

Of course, Browns fans have seen almost nothing but change since the team returned.

"The one thing left for us to do here is to win," said Pettine. "We (the coaches, front office, etc.) are very much on the same page. The only real thing left for us to do is win -- and make fans proud of the Browns again."


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I really like Pettine, and really hope we don't fire him after this season. Unfortunately, I think this is a real possibility. I thought he handled the fans cries for Johnny as best as he could last year. I'd like to see us get creative, like Mangini did when he didn't have the horses and was outmatched. Utilize strengths and keep the opponent on their toes. Pettine doesn't strike me as that type of coach, though. I don't think this year is going to be pretty, but I hope Pettine survives it. He's the first guy since Butch's 1st/2nd season that I thought could lead a winner.

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I trust Pettine as he grows into big shoes and and a frustrated fan base. he needs to win and time to make that happen. He cannot be held responsible for some of the irresponsible lunacy that has followed him on the job. Just needs a few fair breaks and some wins IMO. Starting tomorrow.


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Unless Pettine makes some really stupid moves, I doubt he goes anywhere. Even if the win totals drop in a big way, he stays and Farmer goes. Any move to replace Pet would be after next season. I think he is safe for this season and next except for what I previously mentioned.

Haslam wants to get this right. He is a competitive guy. He doesn't want to be the owner of a crap NFL team. He wants glory as much as anyone. More to be honest.

He took a lot of undue crap over the last firings. He now has his picks in. He will let it play out. He isn't the kneejerk guy that many think. If he was, he could have canned Farmer over the texting issue...and no, I don't think he was the guy behind the texts and Farmer is covering for him. I am sure when looking in to the texts, phone records where reviewed by the league. It would have been easy enough to discover texts from Haslam to Farmer


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Unless Pettine makes some really stupid moves, I doubt he goes anywhere. Even if the win totals drop in a big way, he stays and Farmer goes. Any move to replace Pet would be after next season. I think he is safe for this season and next except for what I previously mentioned.


Sure hope so.

I really like Pettine. I feel like he's a no-nonsense coach who just gets it. He's a very good fit.

As for Farmer, jury is still out on him for me. If this year's draft picks do well, then there shouldn't be problems.

The QB situation is what it is though. Sure hope it doesn't remove Pettine.

But Pettine, I like him a lot.

Unfortunately, it's hard to hire a manager who is in charge of the 53 man roster, who doesn't get to hire a coach. I mean, is that normal?


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Like I said Pete, I don't think you need to worry about it unless Pet starts going for it on 4th and 14 in the 2nd quarter, or punting on 3rd and 5 in the 4th qtr.


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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


doesnt have a choice. farmer made the clear.


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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


doesnt have a choice. farmer made the clear.


So you choose to ignore a direct quote. Really...


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bbrowns32, pblack18707 only sees the negative when it comes to Farmer don't waste your time.

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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


doesnt have a choice. farmer made the clear.


So you choose to ignore a direct quote. Really...


this one yes.


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bbrowns32, pblack18707 only sees the negative when it comes to Farmer don't waste your time.


guy had me fooled all last year. then textgate came out and i know what a snake in the grass he is. on top of that he sucks as a talent evaluator. absolutely nothing to like about the guy. he has zero redeeming qualities.

my opinion is he is doing nothing more than setting pettine up to fail.


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Win or lose, I hope he is here for at least 6 years. I think he has the right mind set and mentality to turn us around and make us relevant again.

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Win or lose, I hope he is here for at least 6 years. I think he has the right mind set and mentality to turn us around and make us relevant again.


I do too. I think that he has a good idea of how to build a team as well. I especially like that he seems committed to developing Manziel, and not just throwing in the towel after a rough year, or throwing him into the fire before he is ready. I also like that he has roles and duties for all of the QBs during the season.

I am pretty sure that he understands his role as head coach, and understands how to run a team, a staff, and a roster.


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Fantastic piece of journalism by Terry Pluto. Grossi and Cabot could learn much from how Terry goes about his job.

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Terry is definitely better than Grossi/Mary Kay ... he's way better


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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


I pointed that out a long time ago bro. They didn't listen to me then either.


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Both are staying...nobody is going anywhere. This is the line in the sand. The only way Pettine and Farmer split up is if they can't work together. I think they both get a long just fine. Trust each other. Are working on the same page for the PLAN and GOAL.

Man...I hope we finish today...I know we will be in it - but I don't want some close crap and then lose at the end! I want us to destroy and control the game from start to finish!!!

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I want us to destroy and control the game from start to finish!!!



well i can only remember us doing this like five times since 99, so chances are good we wont haha

but i'd like to see if we can keep it close ... i have zero trust in our offense


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Pettine then talked about how he wanted the general manager to take part in the Monday evening meetings with each coordinator where they "did an audit of the game" by watching video.


I trust this puts to rest the ridiculous assertions that have been made concerning Farmer watching video...


I pointed that out a long time ago bro. They didn't listen to me then either.


That's because everyone knows you are an agenda driven poster

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We did it last year to a couple of rivals...Steelers and Bengals...why not more wink


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Pettine can't turn this thing around without others in the organization holding up their end.



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Both are staying...nobody is going anywhere. This is the line in the sand. The only way Pettine and Farmer split up is if they can't work together. I think they both get a long just fine. Trust each other. Are working on the same page for the PLAN and GOAL.


To believe this you would be putting your faith in Haslam to stay the course no matter the outcome of this season.

I'm sorry but I simply don't have that kind of confidence in the man. I don't blame you if you do. But from his short time as owner and the high turnover at Pilot Flying J, I believe there is cause for me to have reasonable doubt about it.

There stands the possibility that Haslam believes Pettine may be able to coach, but someone has to provide him with the talent to win. But not if the team simply goes through the motions with such apathy as was shown yesterday.


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Both are staying...nobody is going anywhere. This is the line in the sand. The only way Pettine and Farmer split up is if they can't work together. I think they both get a long just fine. Trust each other. Are working on the same page for the PLAN and GOAL.


To believe this you would be putting your faith in Haslam to stay the course no matter the outcome of this season.

I'm sorry but I simply don't have that kind of confidence in the man.


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To believe this you would be putting your faith in Haslam to stay the course no matter the outcome of this season.

I'm sorry but I simply don't have that kind of confidence in the man.


Is it right to assume by this statement that you are advocating keeping the current regime through 2016 regardless of this year's outcome?


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At this point I don't advocate anything either way. But you missed the entire point.

I'm saying that Tab believes that no matter what, he believes they will be here next year. I don't necessarily believe that. Now if you wish to pick one statement out of context and try to start a debate about it, that's on you.

But it really has nothing to do with that. He believes Haslam will give them a pass no matter what. I don't believe that's necessarily so.

I hope you fully understand my position now. I thought I made that fairly clear the first time.

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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
"You have to work within your circumstances," said Pettine. "Do we have an elite quarterback? No. But you can still win games if you build it right around the quarterback. I don't think you should just throw resources (drafts, trading players) just to get any quarterback because you need a quarterback."


GROAN.

You can still win games but you CANNOT win consistently if you build your team around a mediocre QB. See: Cleveland Browns (1999-2015)

If you "need a quarterback", every off-season should be spent in pursuit of one until you find one... and that means throwing all kinds of resources at it and having no issues with doing it again if it doesn't work.

I don't care if the Browns draft a QB every single year until one pans out. Don't "work within your circumstances", do everything in your power to change those circumstances... and if you're not able to, then at least you tried.

Pretending that it's possible to win on a consistent basis with garbage play at QB is just lying to yourself. These quotes make me sick because I really like Pettine but he just doesn't get it.

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It was just a question, the phrasing made we wonder if you were hoping he would.


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Just more proof that they don't get it, Pettine included. I like him, but he's not a good HC.


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Just more proof that they don't get it, Pettine included. I like him, but he's not a good HC.


How on earth did this happen though? After an off-season where Haslam said again and again that we had to get a QB this year. The answer to that demand was Josh McCown and putting Johnny through detox? No way.

I mean, I get that they're not going to say they tried for one and blew it so we're stuck but really... they don't need to come out and say dumb stuff like this either.

I'd say Pettine is just making coach speak but given that he and Farmer have said the same kind of things about WR and we have absolute jack there as well, I can't justify it.

Just seems like another regime that thinks it's smarter than everyone else when really, they're just out of touch with what wins in today's NFL.


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It was just a question, the phrasing made we wonder if you were hoping he would.


I'm pretty much at the point where it doesn't matter to me. It seems like we just translate from one regime to another and none of them are capable of drafting talent with which to build a team. I don't believe keeping Banner would have helped. I don't believe keeping Farmer will help.

I'm at the point where I just eat popcorn and watch the train wreck unfold. I do believe in holding people accountable at their jobs if that's of any help.


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I'm at the point where I just eat popcorn and watch the train wreck unfold. I do believe in holding people accountable at their jobs if that's of any help.




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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...32-f054be49c160


Above link is Pets Press conference from today...

He's frustrated .. rightly so.. as much as we have been discussing the players failures yesterday against the Jets. I haven't seen much talk about the coaching staff failures.

Young players young coaches...

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You can still win games but you CANNOT win consistently if you build your team around a mediocre QB. See: Cleveland Browns (1999-2015)

Did I miss something? When did we have a mediocre QB?


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Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg
Young players young coaches...


Aren't we one of the oldest teams in the NFL?


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Aren't we one of the oldest teams in the NFL?


age wise.. hell your right thinking about it... all the young guys we drafted we let go .. lol I really didn't think about that.. but good point... my fault

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I haven't seen much talk about the coaching staff failures.


Cleveland Browns coaches have to take blame -- Terry Pluto


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I think 3 things from the coaches hurt the browns this weekend.

#1 Our OL coach suspended. Losing shanny who knows this scheme didnt hurt to bad considering we retained the OL coach but now with the OL coach gone. I really felt we looked lost out there. There just wasnt the discipline nor the fundamentals we expect from this group.

#2. Pet taking himself away from the defense. I feared the D would slip with him not in there doing his thing and that appears to be the case. At no time last year did we see the Defensive Unit play this bad.

#3 Failed halftime adjustments. It just felt like we were completely confused when we came back in the 2nd half.

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Some of us pointed out the inexperience of this coaching staff for some time. When a team lays an egg like this, it has to fall on the heads of the coaching staff.

The team wasn't prepared and lacked intensity. I believe we seriously lack a lot of talent which falls on the head of Farmer. But the general lack of intensity and preparedness falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff.

I have liked Pettine to this point and won't spend much time trying to discredit him based on one game. But things have to change in that regard.


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Good interview IMO, and they are few and too far between. Pluto can get at the bad without being adversarial and baiting. I give credit that pet tine took his fair share of the blame for that debacle. He is still upfront and doesn't blame just the players.

We need to improve a number of things. We were not ready to play AND we made them look like worldbeaters. Time to go to work. I think we failed a gut check Sunday. Lots of talk, snappy explanations. Pretty loss in pretty new unis. Play ball. Produce.


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