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A meeting between rival Texas biker gangs to settle their differences turned into a brawl that escalated to gunfire in a restaurant parking lot Sunday, leaving nine people dead, Waco police said.

Eighteen people were taken from the scene to hospitals, mostly for gunshot and stab wounds, Waco Police Sgt. Patrick Swanton said at a news conference. Everyone involved was a gang member, police said.

He said dozens of suspected gang members were detained.

Members of as many as five biker gangs gathered at the Twin Peaks Restaurant in the Central Texas Market Place early in the afternoon to discuss their differences, Swanton said.

A fistfight began and quickly escalated to include knives and firearms, and then spilled into the parking lot, where gang members fired at each other, Swanton said.

"As that fight progressed, it progressed very rapidly from hands and feet as weapons to chains," he said. "My understanding a club was involved and knives were involved."

Officers were at the scene when the shooting started, police said, and some officers fired at the bikers. No officers were injured, police said.

"This is probably one of the most gruesome crime scenes I've ever seen in my 34 years of law enforcement," Swanton said.

The people injured were mostly being treated for knife or gunshot wounds, police said.

"I was amazed that we didn't have innocent civilians killed or injured," Swanton said.


Witnesses reported hearing as many as 100 rounds fired from 30 guns.

Police closed the entire Central Texas Market Place shopping area, saying that there was a danger of more violence.

"It is still not totally secure because of the intel that we're getting of individuals wanting to do some payback," Swanton said.

The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were also at the scene to help with the investigation.

Over the past few months, Swanton says the police were aware of rival biker gangs causing issues at the Twin Peaks restaurant.

"We have attempted to work with the local management of Twin Peaks to get that cut back to no avail," he said. "They have not been of much assistance to us."

Calls to Twin Peaks in Waco and the Twin Peaks corporate office were not immediately returned.

Jay Patel, operating partner of the Twin Peaks Waco franchise, posted a statement on Facebook saying: "We are horrified by the criminal, violent acts that occurred outside of our Waco restaurant today. We share in the community's trauma. Our priority is to provide a safe and enjoyable environment for our customers and employees, and we consider the police our partners in doing so. Our management team has had ongoing and positive communications with the police and we will continue to work with them as we all want to keep violent crime out of our businesses and community. We will continue to cooperate with the police as they investigate this terrible crime."

Waco seems to attract the worst in everyone. I think the town used to be called Wacko until they shortened it.

Rival bike gangs in a brawl. Who'd a thunk it?

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193 people were arrested.

Waco, anything likely to go down there.

It's like something right out of Sons of Anarchy.

The Banditos consider Texas to be theirs, and have control of about everything ( interpret that as you will), any MC ( not RC) that puts a 1% on their jackets must wear the banditos colors / patch and pay them for that privilege.

Several MC's have decided that they no longer wish to play under those constraints, the Cossacks being one of the the most vocal, this is not the first time that blood has been shed between them, doubt it will be the last. Similar events ( THOUGH NOT TO THIS MAGNITUDE) have occurred in the DFW area.

This is a very bad situation and could explode, literally.

On March 6, 1970 in Cleveland there was a fight between the Hells Angels and the Breed. It didn't involve guns, but 5 died from knife wounds, 23 were injured, mostly knife wounds, and 87 were arrested.

Yep, happens on some scale all over the place. I also heard that the Cossacks arent a true 1%, if that is the case I can really see why the Banditos wanted to put them in place.

Wasnt too far back there was a big brawl here between the HA and the Mongols. It happens.

How come nobody is calling them thugs?

I have been watching the news and have yet to hear them called Thugs.....not once.

Can't get more thug than this. 100 weapons seized.. YEESH!

I guess Richard Sherman has a point.

at first i thought he was just making crap up with the "thug" word. but hey....so far it's all adding up...

Not sure.

Were they fighting each other?

Did they rob places of business? Did they loot stuff?

Did they burn anything down?


Now, I may be wrong here, but, the last I heard, no innocent bystanders were injured or killed. No businesses had broken windows, doors, no looting was going on. Nothing was burned. No cars overturned. If I missed a report, forgive me.

As dumb and thuggish as it was they didn't go after innocent by standers or businesses.

Why do they need to call them thugs? They're calling them gangs, gang members, criminals. The violence has been directed only at rival gangs and police, consistent with gangs and gang activity. Who cares if they are called thugs?

so thuggish behavior, but not actually thugs.

and fighting each other?


ok. i'm just going to back out of this thread now....

Dude, you're a race baiter too often.

Would it make you happy if I called them thugs?

Gang members are thugs - in my very, apparently, simplistic opinion.

How many fires were started?

How many businesses had broken doors and windows?

How many businesses had stuff stolen from them?

Please, answer those questions Swish. Please?

How many people not involved in these gangs lost life, or property? Please, answer that.

But no - you're trying to compare people looting, rioting, stealing, damaging buildings, vehicles, and terrorizing an area to idiots fighting each other.

Come on man.

And to further my point, earlier today I read about the genocide in Turkey - and you excused it by saying something along the lines of "yeah, it happened, and the Turks know it was a bad thing and they aren't proud of it, so don't bring it up"

Yet you still hold what the Europeans did to native americans against us, today. You still hold american slavery against americans, today. Ironically, you don't hold any bit of slavery against the africans that sold the slaves?

Florida had a very good point about the genocide......you excuse that episode by saying "yeah, but their sorry about it and admit it"

Yet even though no person alive in this country was a slave owner or killed a native american - we can't just apologize and say it was wrong?

Come on man - you can't have 2 standards - 1 that fits your anti America and 1 that fits your pro Turkey. Can you?

you know how your post is trash?

i didn't say ANYTHING about don't bring it up.

i said it's funny how he tries to slam Turkey about anything when his country England has they own craptastic history, yet he doesn't bring that up

there's no point of responding to anything else you said in this post, as you couldn't even get that part right.

ummm its biker gangs.

you don't think some of those gangs haven't been part of every thing you just listed?

do you have your head in the sand?

So, I have a point you can't refute, and you're just going to get mad?


If Turkey can just apologize and bam, it's gone........why can't the U.S.?

Regardless - this is about your question of "why aren't these guys called thugs?"

I think I answered that. I even said it was thuggish of them.

What DIDN'T happen is others getting physically harmed (to my knowledge as of this post), no businesses looted, no broken windows, doors, cars flipped over, fires set, etc.

Now, I will grant you that apparently the entire incident is not over yet.......that stuff may happen. And if it does, I will be the first to call the idiots that act out in that way "thugs"

Does that make you happy?

Or is it a race thing?

From the pictures I've seen and the names of the gangs - there's whites and hispanics...........maybe some blacks, don't know.

But, as idiotic and thuggish as it was, they fought each other - no one took to the streets to loot and riot. Period.

No, I do not.

Do you?

Just another case of white on white crime. BTW I'm still waiting for some attention seeking white leader, Wayne Lapierre(?), to come out and speak against this constant problem of gun violence.

These guys are firing bullets in their own neighborhood with total disregard for the safety of others.

And I'm sure they weren't all citizens of Waco. I bet a bunch of trouble making criminal thug gangsters just showed up because it was an opportunity to shoot people.

Probably because they already have the moniker of "biker gang", which is pretty synonymous with nefarious activity, and probably worse than calling them thugs.

I don't believe that the media and people see biker gangs worse then thugs. How many people on this thread codenamed the biker gangs as trash? How many of these same people condemned the "thugs" as trash in the Ferguson riots?

They shot up a Twins Peak at a busy strip mall during lunch time. Which could have injured so much more people.

Can we just agree that they are all bad people and throw race out of it?

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Because "Biker Gang" has such a nice pleasant ring to it.

it does, seeing as only less than what? say 5 percent are violent criminals?

the others are just some guys after work taking a ride?

thats why i haven't said why aren't anybody calling biker gangs thugs, but THIS group of individuals.

i try my hardest to refrain from sweeping generalizations. key word being try.

They are bad people, but that's not the point.

Everyone has different perspectives on the race topic, and I am trying to hopefully open people's eyes to show them that many of their perceptions are wrong. I feel that exposing my experiences (which probably makes me look bad) is helping or at least making people think different on the stereotypes.

We can't grow unless we talk about the hard topics, I have experiences good and bad that people can learn from and understand so that we all can become better and all become united.

I am going to talk about it, expose it, expose myself because in my eyes this is the only way it will make it better for my children and all children in the future.

Your confusing "Riders" with "Bikers", and even then you have bikers and bike gangs, or more appropriately named Motorcycle Clubs or MCs.

Swish, a motorcycle club and a biker gang are not the same thing. these guys wear 1% on their jackets. Do you know what that means?

These men are misunderstood because many come from broken homes and society has always cut them a raw deal. They haven't been given the opportunities the rest of us have in life. They are condemned by the way they look and dress. They find family on the streets and can't be expected to raise a family of their own on minimum wage.

They are constantly harassed by the Police and spied on by the FBI. Many come from broken and dangerous neighborhoods where they learn to survive.

We need the Government to develop programs for them to bring them into the fold. Food, housing, and education is a good place to start.

The weird thing about Biker Gangs is how their demographics have always been middle aged white men.

I gave a lengthy definition of the word thug in a previous thread and what I consider to be the differentiating factors...

In this instance the addition of the word "gang" is the differentiator. There are motorcycle clubs, there are folks who identify themselves as just plain "bikers" and then there is a biker gang. I've hung out in biker bars with bikers but I would not hang out with anybody who identified themselves as a biker gang. I would very easily equate biker gang with thugs... So call these ass-clowns whatever you want, it won't bother me.

j/c

Thug is simply the newest word people wish to erase from free speech because it offends them. They believe their right to censor others because they feel offended, trumps the right of free speech. They wish to use terms such as "thug life" while objecting to anyone else using the word thug.

So what's new?

This incident and the people involved have been vilified as much as any other criminals. Yet the verbiage used to describe them doesn't suit certain people so now it's an issue.

It doesn't and won't change anything despite the sensibilities of some.

gotcha guys.

yea i don't know much about the difference of biker gangs and clubs and such. thats for educating me on that.

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They must all be republicans then

Does that mean the Black Panthers were all Demoncracts