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Just an idea.... There seems to be this perception that he wants out of town and picking up Erving only seems to reinforce that we are prepping for life without him. So why not get something for him?

His contract would likely be somewhat prohibitive but someone might be willing to take it on to get the leg up on free agency next year.

Can't trade him, he's got a no trade clause in the deal he signed last year,,''

As has been said on this board many times before, "winning cures everything". If they have a winning record and look like a team moving up this year, he'll stay.

He will be a sacrifice to the Ozzie Newsome Altar of Compensatory Picks. Him and Phil Taylor. Yesterday pretty much made that a sure thing.

We'll see about Gipson and Winn.

Cameron Erving started 27 straight games at OT at one point in his college career, so my immediate guess is that he'll get slotted into the RG or RT position for next year. I sincerely hope they don't try and trade Alex Mack, hopefully we can put together a solid season and make him want to stay. No need to trade Mack unless someone offers us a 2nd round pick AND a player, his big contract could also prevent a trade as well.

There is no need to trade Mack. You keep him, hope he is healthy and stays for the remainder of his contract. If we win it will make it easier.

Agreed. Erving plays RG for us this year and he slides to center if Mack gets hurt. I like Greco, but see him more as a utility back-up guard (covering three positions, with him moving to RG if Mack gets hurt).

People complain about this pick, but I'm not sure how much Mack wants to be here, and if that's the case, this covers our butt bigtime. It's not like he took a contract with us. He took a contract with the Jags then we matched the offer.

He can opt out (with no franchise tag available I think) at the end of this year. In fact, he will opt out if he stays healthy and plays well. No reason for him not to...... He can get a bigger offer from us or someone else on the open market

So, they let Alex Mack control who the Browns draft?

And the GM was saying "We don't want to appear desperate." If so, then you could have addressed this situation in rounds 2 through 5, not giving up 2 first round picks for what amounts to NO IMPROVEMENT in your talent.

I think Alex Mack probably had some weight in the pick of Erving. Farmer (and Pettine both) saw how bad the offensive line play was when he got hurt AND is probably aware of the contract situation, so he went and drafted us a guy who can play any spot on the offensive line and play it well. To me, the move was smart. Erving hopefully provides an upgrade at RG or RT this year, and then next year if we lose Mack we can put him back at center.

Dang. TL droppin some 'bows. Hard to disagree with you.

Even if we were able to trade him, you have no depth.

I think that's the number one reason Erving was drafted (to create depth), not to be Mack's replacement.

I love the Erving pick. He's an upgrade on the right side for now and if it does come down that Mack leaves we're covered but if this kid is as good and flexible as billed, we could end up with a Dallas level OLine and Mack might be willing to stay to play on a line like that.

Couldn't agree more. There are some on here and at work who believe this was a waste of a pick. There is nothing wrong with some insurance in an uncertain situation. Plus, with the way many disliked the play of Schwartz, I'm surprised that more aren't elated that we may have drafted his replacement. I like the idea of building from the trenches out and I believe you can't have enough good OL on a roster. WIth how Manziel likes to run around, he would benefit with this upgrade.

I look at it as Erving replacing McQuistan, last year's all purpose lineman. McQuistan stunk, could not replace anyone, so now we have quality depth that may challenge for a starting spot on a very good OLine.

I like the guys we picked, but man, it is a concern. Are we getting better or just different?

Rubin/Sheard out (perhaps Taylor/Winn next) and we need a 1st for the DLine. Mack/Schwartz up in the air, we need a 1st for the Oline. Cameron out...

We have to stop changing regimes. This isn't building through the draft. It is RE-Building through the draft.

He's only a waste of pick if turns out to be bust. If he can play then he'll help this team by making the other guys improve their game or be replaced. Personally I think this kid is gonna end up being a stud.

Might as well get something we aren't going anywhere anyhow and Mack is sure to leave at the end of the season anyway.

I see no way it happens but its actually not a bad thought..

Doesn't anybody have issue with the draft. I mean I said I liked the draft just not to be negative but this draft with fans calling for Mack to go and to dump Taylor doesn't it get you that all we did with this draft so far was make sure we still suck as bead as we always have. We draft Shelton to replace Taylor and now this kid Erving to replace Mack...

I guess the question is how did we get better yesterday?

I'm having a hard time believing that Erving is better then Mack?????????

Have the Browns done a presser stating where they plan to play or groom Erving at? Just curious... Since I thought this was one of the best center drafts in recent memory.

In other words see ya Mack!

I think the FO made the CORRECT, yet non sexy picks after I have mulled it over. There is still skill talent to be had here on out. Still hoping against hope the "texting" GM will nail the rest of the draft.

j/c

WHAT THE F! Our biggest issues last year was depth. Browns adding quality depth. First thing I'm reading trade Taylor and/or Mack!

Pettine/Farmer stated the lines are the back bone of this team. Why on green earth TRADE?????

News flash...good teams draft first round picks who don't start...just saying!!! I hope this trend continues.

Just clickin'...

A broken leg heals in 6 weeks. Even better with the medical care the players get.

Mack is still rehabbing. It's been closer to 6 months.

I'm not sure what trade value Mack has. He tried last year. The only deal he got was a huge contract from JAX.

Now he has a max-contract with a player option. No reason to voluntarily reduce his own pay. I don't think teams line up to trade for that. Especially after his injury.

The only chance is a contender getting obliterated with injuries at OLine and Mack agreeing to terms with them. That won't happen until mid-season.

j/c

There is a chronic reflex among Browns fans that bringing in a player at a position where there is an established veteran signals the death knell to the veteran's time in Cleveland. This tendency is especially pronounced in our fan base more so than other's.

Second observation, a GM is not doing his job if his only consideration is how a player will be used immediately. If he is not thinking about what will take place 2 or 3 years out to his roster that's incompetence.

Mack is under contract this year. His work ethic tells me he'll play hard. Worry about next year next year. This team has trouble enough without making more.

That is simply wrong headed. Mack certainly didn't worry about "making trouble" when he got that clause put in his contract. He did what he thought was best for him. The Browns must do exactly what is best for the organization. Mack can stay or go that's on him. This team cannot be held hostage by him that's ridiculous!

It would be inexcusable for the Browns to be caught with their pants down while Mack walks away. If you don't see that management has to anticipate changes and control what they can control there's not much anyone can do about that.

He "WAS" the Best Center in the NFL "BEFORE" his injury.

Nobody would trade a first round pick (or anything close to it) for a center coming off a season ending injury, who has an exceptionally player-friendly contract.

I wouldn't even consider trading Mack, he is a great player. Just focus on winning, get some consistency with this team and hopefully he stays with us.

it's the same perception that we were taking Mariota

Trading Mack and getting a first round pick may be a part of next years push to get our QB.

Who is giving up a first round pick for the right to pay Mack $8 million and then have him opt out of his contract?

My guess is they tear up the contract and give him a pouncey level deal.

My guess is all the same teams who are clamoring to pry Sam Bradford away from the Eagles.

Why is everyone so convinced that Erving can step right in and play center in the NFL? He's played all of 5 games at center in college.

j/c

so, is what I've gathered correct?

- Shelton = Phil Taylor's replacement after this year
- Erving = Alex Mack's replacement after this year
- Orchard = Jabaal Sheard's replacement right now
- Campbell = Donte Whitner's replacement after this year



and that's in a very idealistic world

By the looks of things this team will win big but not until long after JT and Mack are forgotten memories....SAD

And that SAD fact will be the reason Mack heads for the exit if he don't I would be shocked. There is a reason he put that clause in his contract and it isn't because he planned on staying until we have a half a shot at winning.

I can't believe this thread is still going... no trade clause, even if there was, noone will want to pick him up due to the contract situation he is in. Noone will trade anything for him just to have him opt out there, big money contract and coming off a season ending injury (although I doubt teams would be very concerned of him not being able to recover, but it would be a thought I am sure.)

Would one of you guys that know Mack is gone, Taylor is gone, The browns will suck this year. Please give me the winning numbers for the lottery this week.

I remember people saying last year we would suck, our receivers were the worst in football, our team would be out of the race by game two, ect,ect.

Well we finished 7-9, Our receivers were not all pros but better than any thought they could be, and we had a chance to make the playoffs late into the year. So much for your abilities to predict.

Then the excuse of we played a weak schedule. How many teams in our division made the playoffs?
Love the glass is half empty mentality, your lives must be great.

We are not that far off and I'm looking forward to seeing what this year brings .

Last year we beat some pretty good teams and could have beat some others
but for a few bad plays. We had to remake the offensive and defensive lines on the run due to injury, yet we complain about picking linemen in the draft. Yes I know no fantasy points awarded for linemen.


You have 32 options, I have a friend that changes his team by winning percentage, His team always wins the superbowl.