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Well I have no proof of what he was texting.. your the one who said he was calling plays, asking for certain players and badgering the coaches...so you must know,, I was just confirming what you were saying

How do you know that he didn't deal w/it? Got proof?

And why the hell should Farmer talk to Shanny about play calling? What experience does he have in regards to offensive play calling?

Freaking zero!

You guys can rewrite history all you like, but any coach worth his salt would have left.........that is......if had big enough stones to do so....rather than taking it up the butt like the rest of the coaching staff.

Take a look at our hires. LOL...........two never-was guys who are wet behind the ears. They should be perfectly able to say: "Yessah, Massah" every time Farmer or Haslam issue a command.

I think your opinion is full of crap. Shanny was the ONLY one w/balls.

Vers,

You are the only one who cares about Shanny anymore...and Banner...and anyone else who is NO LONGER WITH THE TEAM.

Let it go...please.

Tell us about the players we have and the players we need. Critique guys like Phil Taylor so others see the RELEVANT things that you see...not the things that simply no longer matter.

I'm the only one? LOL

I don't talk about Shanny until other guys rip him by saying stupid crap that he was a "rat" or that he has a "yeast infection," etc.

So, until those guys stop..........I will continue to defend him.

Btw-------I really don't give a damn what most of you guys think.

That's your wording. Badgering isn't what I see. I see him questioning it as he should

Totally disagree. He may have not been a long term solution, or a great play caller, but him installing the ZBS and the Browns continuing to run the scheme is a long term benefit that will allow the Browns to hang their hat on something for a long time. And it just so happens to coincide with a philosophy from Pettine that will allow the ZBS to be crucial to our success.

Shanny was a valuable hire on that basis alone.

Came here expecting to comment on txt gate ... however, on the subject of Shanny, I liken it to having a stud malcontent on your team like Terrell Owens. Although to be honest I don't think Shanny has THAT much talent.... its real simple: Liked what he did early in the season when everyone was healthy. When the some key parts of the team went out - the play calling didn't seem to reflect the changes and we struggled mightily. Maybe it was because Hoyer went south? Maybe it was because defenses caught on? Maybe it was a lack of flexibility to adapt circumstances ... no-one actually knows all we have is speculations and opinion. BUT after the season it was tremendously apparent from multipole comments by Pettine - Shanny was a rotten apple and not on board pulling in the same direction as the rest of the FO. We are better off with out him and Pettine said enough things for me to feel 100% that Pettine is glad Shanny has gone. . . . . the only question is why is this still a topic??

As for Txt Gate ... I think the NFL got it spot on. No draft picks lost. Significant fine. And Farmer has to take his lumps. Just like the Shanny issue - no-one KNOWS what happened, what was txt, whether it came from Haslam or not. . . bottom line it doesn't matter. Ordeal is done. The only thing that counts is whether Farmer (and maybe Haslam?) learns the lesson. From interviews at the combine from Pettine and Farmer - I'd say "Yes" ... JMO.

Disappointed in Farmer, he's the boss, one of main leader, breaking the rules sends TERRIBLE message to players, who he holds accountable...he stepped up and admitted mistake....should have NEVER happened, but didn't hurt team much.....except when players throw it in his face.....hope we get beyond it.....GO Browns!!!!

I think he's the one in the Avengers who turns into a Giant Green Rage Monster and wipes the floor with Thor's brother, Loogie.

True but the Oline didn't have the tools to carry it off last year. And if they don't add some talent up front in the trenches and add a lead blocker or two, they'll find the ZBS won't help.