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Report: Some Browns 'want nothing to do' with GordonBy Marc Sessler Around the League Writer Published: July 9, 2014 at 11:52 a.m. Updated: July 9, 2014 at 12:40 p.m. As the Cleveland Browns prepare for life without Josh Gordon, his teammates are tussling with conflicting emotions of compassion and betrayal on the heels of the star receiver's latest off-the-field slip. That's the word from Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman, who reported Wednesday that Browns players "realize Gordon is sick. They want him to get better. They like him. But some of them, clearly, also now want nothing to do with him." One player told Freeman of a moment last season when the 23-year-old pass catcher wrangled a small group of teammates in the locker room and vowed his battle with substance abuse was in the rear-view mirror. "I want to promise you guys that I won't be in trouble again," Gordon said, according to the source. Then came the positive drug test, followed by this past weekend's arrest on suspicion of DWI. Now the Pro Bowl wide receiver -- and his team -- await word from the league on a potentially lengthy suspension. The mess leaves Cleveland in a tough spot. While Gordon has lost the trust of his peers, cutting him makes zero sense for a team that isn't in position to shed league-leading receivers. Gordon could miss the entire year and still return at the tender age of 24. If he gets his personal life back on track, front offices from east to west would swoop in to take a chance on such a rare talent. "I cannot find a single team or league official who believes that Gordon will not play again," wrote Freeman. Hall of Fame wideout Cris Carter has urged the Browns to send Gordon a wakeup call by releasing him, but -- as we argued on Tuesday's podcast -- that doesn't add up. While the Browns are deeply disappointed in Gordon, it's in the organization's best interest to wait this out. Watching the receiver resurface a year from now with the Steelers or Ravens or Bengals would mark a new low for a team that's seen too many dark days.
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While the Browns are deeply disappointed in Gordon, it's in the organization's best interest to wait this out. Watching the receiver resurface a year from now with the Steelers or Ravens or Bengals would mark a new low for a team that's seen too many dark days.
This is basically my take on the matter. Buddy Ryan cutting Chris Carter may be what got his head on straight. But it did nothing for the Eagles. Big win for the Vikings though. I'd rather not be the Eagles in that scenario, you know, I'd say they would have been better off keeping Carter in hindsight. Carter hadn't shown the same talent or statistics Gordon has so far, his issues were way more severe (in my opinion), he was a lower draft pick, and wasn't nearly as vital to the team, it seems like a lousy comparison in general to me.
There isn't a ton of news in this since the players are anonymous. I'm sure some are pissed off. If they want to deal with it they'd be wiser to spend as much time as possible with him rather than shun him in my opinion.
I mean the dude lead the league in receiving on 14 games last season with Weeden and Campbell tossing him the ball. If we get that every other season and a litany of suspensions and offseason garbage, so be it. Would we rather have MoMass or Robo with their horrible seasons and sparkling offseasons? They made promises every offseason to get better, to improve their games, and it was impossible. If I were a betting man I'd take Gordon being able to stop getting caught doing drugs every single time over a non-talented player becoming anything close to what we have when Gordon is playing.
This will just turn into a super long discussion since there is no new information here. To reiterate my position, we have the best WR in the league on a very cheap rookie contract. Do what you can to get him avoiding suspensions and on the field. If you can sign him for cheap due to all these messes when the time comes then so much the better. He is currently costing the team nothing in expenses, both literally and figuratively. I'll take Gordon as a rare luxury with all the headaches that come with it every single time.
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I don't blame players for not wanting anything to do with the guy. His stupid and selfish decisions are going to hurt the team again.
But like Kingcob said, he's an extraordinarily talented player on a cheap contract. He's very valuable if he stays clean, and ultimately there's no compelling reason for the Browns to release him. No risk, high reward. It's an easy decision to hold onto him.
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Yes but, how ever can he get his life turned around UNLESS we release him?!?!
That's obviously the only way it could happen...
Chris Carter said so..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Yes but, how ever can he get his life turned around UNLESS we release him?!?!
That's obviously the only way it could happen...
Chris Carter said so..
It is kind of silly, isn't it? The possibility of a year or longer suspension should give Gordon more than enough reason to stay clean. If it doesn't, oh well. I have no desire to see the guy catching passes for the Ravens.
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Like i said, in the other thread. Releasing him while he is still an asset with value would be stupid. Put him on PUP or non injury IR or whatever and let him sit. Ban him from the facility if you have to.
Anything but let him go to New England or San Francisco, or even worse Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
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Like i said, in the other thread. Releasing him while he is still an asset with value would be stupid. Put him on PUP or non injury IR or whatever and let him sit. Ban him from the facility if you have to.
Anything but let him go to New England or San Francisco, or even worse Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
If (when) he's suspended, we don't have to do anything in terms of the roster... he's automatically on a separate list and won't count against the final 53. We also don't have to pay him, and we don't lose a year on his contract.
He goes into limbo. NFL Purgatory where he cannot be around the team or coaches, cannot collect a paycheck,.... and, cannot negotiate with a new team as a way to try to get a sweeter deal down the road.
He's stuck and forced to face the music. No softening of the blow.
While folks want to lash out and react with emotion and just cut him, it isn't the smart move. The smart move is to let him get suspended and hold onto him. Hopefully, a year of sitting without paychecks -- and the very real possibility of never getting another -- is enough of a wakeup call for him to get serious about his life and what he is doing.
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This Josh Gordon thread could have fit nicely under one of the other Josh Gordon threads, yes? Regardless, I think some of his teammates are getting fed up with him. He could have it all and he's flushing it away for WEED. Lord have mercy. It's almost comical except he's one of OUR players.  ...And our best player. You know what they say: Those that don't learn from their past mistakes are condemned to repeat them.
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One player told Freeman of a moment last season when the 23-year-old pass catcher wrangled a small group of teammates in the locker room and vowed his battle with substance abuse was in the rear-view mirror.
"I want to promise you guys that I won't be in trouble again," Gordon said, according to the source.
He meant that when he said it. That shows he wants to straighten up. He just can't.
To paraphrase the Bible again: That which I want to do, I don't do. That which I don't want to do... that I do.
We're all like that. We want to eat better. We don't. We don't want to put things off. We put them off. Each time we pay the price and it seems we should have learned by now. But it makes no difference. We still struggle with our shortcomings.
Maybe the suspension will hurt him enough to make him see the light.
Some players saying they want nothing to do with him is the first of his losses. When he can't play football, that will be another. When the money runs out that will be another.
I've gone to AA meetings. Some don't quit until they lose their jobs, their house, their spouse. And their adult kids won't talk to them anymore. Sometimes it takes that much to hurt enough to be brutally honest with one's self enough to make changes.
In the meetings they say going down to the bottom is like an elevator. You can get off on any floor you wish to. You don't have to go all the way to the basement. But some do.
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While this story is written by Marc Sessler of NFL.com, it is based on a story first written by Mike Freeman, writing for the Bleacher Report web page
After looking up Mike Freeman's bio, I do question his claims and quotes from "unnamed" Browns players/teammates of Josh.
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thats putting it nicely
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Did we need yet another Josh Gordon thread? There are three or four of them now... 
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While this story is written by Marc Sessler of NFL.com, it is based on a story first written by Mike Freeman, writing for the Bleacher Report web page
After looking up Mike Freeman's bio, I do question his claims and quotes from "unnamed" Browns players/teammates of Josh.
He doesn't quote a single unnamed Browns player.
Either way, I don't need a reporter to tell me Josh's teammates are pissed at him.
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Josh's teammates are pissed at him.
There is a joke there somewhere
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Did we need yet another Josh Gordon thread? There are three or four of them now...
I actually think this is more about the other Browns players. I know there are a number of Gordon threads going but it could just get buried in those. He is simply the object about which the story revolves.
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Ahh I can see your view. In that respect, then I really can't blame them. Speeding with someone with pot. Speeding in someone else's car. Then you throw in the alcohol and who knows what else. He's bs'ed to the media about learning (especially during the Blackmon ban), he's bs'ed to the Browns fans... he is a downward spiral that I don't think really wants help or anything. Who knows though how much credibility the article stands though. I know two things for certain though. This quote from Josh Gordon: "I'm grateful... and I know I can't go back to being the person I used to be." And that Josh said he wouldn't let down the Cleveland Browns. Well, I don't see any evidence to support that bullcrap he said. I do see a lot of evidence to support everything opposite of those statements. If the players want to focus on themselves and their game/career and future instead of going Gordon's route - then the more power to them!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Ahh I can see your view.
In that respect, then I really can't blame them. Speeding with someone with pot. Speeding in someone else's car. Then you throw in the alcohol and who knows what else. He's bs'ed to the media about learning (especially during the Blackmon ban), he's bs'ed to the Browns fans... he is a downward spiral that I don't think really wants help or anything. Who knows though how much credibility the article stands though.
I know two things for certain though. This quote from Josh Gordon:
"I'm grateful... and I know I can't go back to being the person I used to be."
And that Josh said he wouldn't let down the Cleveland Browns. Well, I don't see any evidence to support that bullcrap he said. I do see a lot of evidence to support everything opposite of those statements.
If the players want to focus on themselves and their game/career and future instead of going Gordon's route - then the more power to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't really say that I disagree with anything you stated.
I hope that the Browns brass has already told the team that they will prepare their season as if Gordon isn't playing. If he's out there, it would only be to prepare our DBs for the top-notch talent (which Gordon has) which other teams might throw at them. There would be no other reason to keep him on the team.
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Then came the positive drug test, followed by this past weekend's arrest on suspicion of DWI
Wait a minute, Has anyone confirmed it's a positive drug test? Wasn't there some thought that he missed a test? Was that BS? Was that real? Is that still the possibility?
I understand that the NFL views a missed Drug test in the same way it views a failed drug test. But there is NO way the suspend him if he missed a drug test and can prove he wasn't capable taking the test for whatever reason... Right?
Just a couple of questions I don't have answers too..
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Ahh I can see your view.
In that respect, then I really can't blame them. Speeding with someone with pot. Speeding in someone else's car. Then you throw in the alcohol and who knows what else. He's bs'ed to the media about learning (especially during the Blackmon ban), he's bs'ed to the Browns fans... he is a downward spiral that I don't think really wants help or anything. Who knows though how much credibility the article stands though.
I know two things for certain though. This quote from Josh Gordon:
"I'm grateful... and I know I can't go back to being the person I used to be."
And that Josh said he wouldn't let down the Cleveland Browns. Well, I don't see any evidence to support that bullcrap he said. I do see a lot of evidence to support everything opposite of those statements.
If the players want to focus on themselves and their game/career and future instead of going Gordon's route - then the more power to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly...he has lost all trust and credibility.This team needs him badly,but he's too busy working on getting suspended again.
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Report: Some Browns players want nothing to do with Josh Gordon
Am I missing something, or is there no reference whatsoever to any Browns player indicating they want nothing to do with Gordon in that article? Freeman said "....clearly also now want nothing to do with him", and then we get actual quotes to do not really send that message.
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This should have gone in one of the existing threads.
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