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It also says he passed 70 other tests,
Did the report actually SAY that? I don't remember reading that. I remember posters saying it, but I don't remember that from the report. I will apologize in advance if it actually DID SAY that and I missed it w/my poor reading skills.
And lastly, Gordon's attorney's also will point out that with their client being subject to over 70 drug tests, there was only one time since his rookie year that a test came back positive for marijuana, and even then, the "A" and "B" samples did not match.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/112814...-marijuana-test
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According to the source, Gordon has passed at least 70 drug tests. One test barely generated a positive. And but for the 50-50 luck of the draw, it would have been a negative.
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Where did the leak in this information come from?
Did it come from a source from the NFL or a source close to Gordon?
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Did it come from a source from the NFL or a source close to Gordon?
Smart money is on Drew Rosenhaus.
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Okay guys. Thanks. I was wrong about that.
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Where did the leak in this information come from?
Did it come from a source from the NFL or a source close to Gordon?
Per a source with knowledge of the situation. lmao. I think from his agent or lawyer trying to put public pressure on the nfl to reduce punishment. JMO.
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That's why I asked. If it's from Gordon's camp, that could be it.
However, if its from the NFL side, it could be a way for them to save a little face and prepare people for them letting him off.
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They want it in the public due to Irsay and Rice situations. Its what I would do.
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Found this is a comment section on the espn story talking about Gordon:
I WORK AT A DRUG TESTING LABORATORY...
The ONLY way second hand smoke can come up positive on a confirmed drug test is if the individual had been in a very, very small space (such as a car) for at least 2 hours or more with heavy smoke being present. In other words, he would've had to been in a car for 2+ hours that was being hot-boxed. Highly unlikely and not believable.
Drug tests have CUT-OFF LEVELS. These are put there for a reason. You can get a bit of THC in your system from common second-hand smoke but it is IMPOSSIBLE for those levels to exceed the cutoff level (unless the 2nd hand smoke came in the fashion described in my first paragraph.) Standard cutoff level for a screen test is 50 ng/mL and 15 ng/mL for a confirmation test.
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I think GORDON WILL WIN HIS APPEAL.... this is why-- Gordon's drug test was a SPLIT test. This means that the urine was collected into one cup and then poured off into 2 separate vials. This is done for the donor's protection in case they want to call for a re-test. "Bottle A" was tested and came back above cut-off. At that point, I'm sure the results were protested, so they went ahead and processed "Bottle B" and saw that it was below cut-off. Drug testing in the workplace and Department Of Transportation (DOT drug testing, which is the highest regulated in our nation) says that if Bottle B comes back below the cutoff, then the sample is deemed NEGATIVE even if the first bottle (Bottle A) was positive.
For this reason, I believe Gordon will win his appeal. It wasn't because the 2 bottles had 2 different levels as stated in the article. In fact, the article makes it sound like the reason that was even brought up was to say that something was tampered with and bottles were switched around. Fact is, a sample done on a split collection can definitely show 2 different readings. I confirmed this with my lab manager who has been in the forensic drug testing field for 20+ years.
THAT ALL BEING SAID, I still believe he DID smoke, but lucky for him, whatever was remaining had juuuuuuuust exited his system (or close to it.) If it was actually from second hand smoke, then he deserves the punishment for even being around people hotboxing a car for several hours? That's just poor judgement on his part and just because he didn't put it to his mouth and smoke it, doesn't mean he didn't get the effects from it. I think he got very lucky.
so in essence he was DUMB DONKEY for putting himself in a position to test second hand positive, but the test is screwed up and as a technicality the NFL will have a hard time with a year suspension.
Its also crazy that the threshold for the NFL is 15 ng/ml, MLB is 50 ng/ml, and the world organization is 150 ng/ml.
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Source: 'Josh Gordon didn't smoke marijuana and was exposed to second-hand smoke' on test day But the NFL has heard the "second-hand smoke'' defense before -- and no player has ever won his appeal on those grounds. "You are responsible for what is in your body,'' NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told cleveland.com in an email response. "That has always been a cornerstone of our drug-testing programs.''....... When players in the NFL are drug-screened, two different tests are used. Gordon measured 38 nanograms per milliliter of THC on the immunoassay test, above the NFL's threshold of 20. Most other sports organizations have a 50 cutoff or higher to avoid second-hand smoke issue, the source said. The second test involves an "A" sample and "B'' sample. If the "A'' sample is above the NFL threshold of 15 nanograms for this particular test, the "B'' sample is tested to confirm it. The source said Gordon measured 16 nanograms on the "A'' sample, just one above the NFL's threshold. He measured 13.63 nanograms on the "B'' sample, below the NFL cutoff......... The source told cleveland.com that in addition to Gordon testing negative about 70 times since his rookie year, he's tested positive only once for marijuana in the NFL -- in his rookie year in 2012. Gordon also tested positive for codeine last year, but said it was contained in his prescribed cough syrup for a sore throat. That second positive drug test -- and subsequent two-game suspension and four game-check penalty -- launched Gordon into Stage III of the NFL's substance abuse program, where he's tested up to 10 times per month and remains for the remainder of his career..... He also said that Gordon's two-week stint in a rehab facility in California was Gordon's attempt to make sure he never finds himself in a situation like this again......... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/post_186.htmlI didn't put the whole article up. just things I have not seen up. funny how now all of the sudden he had a failed test for pot before and the cough meds too. lmao
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Source: 'Josh Gordon didn't smoke marijuana and was exposed to second-hand smoke' on test day BEREA, Ohio -- Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon "didn't smoke marijuana and was exposed to second-hand smoke on the day of his test," a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group on Tuesday. That's what Gordon's legal team will argue Friday during the appeal hearing on Gordon's minimum one-year ban for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy a third time. The source said it's clear that Gordon didn't smoke marijuana because he was tested multiple times in and around the time of his test. In fact, he's tested negative 70 times since he's been in the NFL, including several times since his recent positive test sometime before May 9th. Gordon has hired high-powered attorney Maurice Suh, who helped Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman win his appeal in 2012 for performance-enhancing drugs in 2012. Sherman won on the grounds that the specimen cup was leaky and that subsequent collection procedures were faulty. But the NFL has heard the "second-hand smoke'' defense before -- and no player has ever won his appeal on those grounds. "You are responsible for what is in your body,'' NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told cleveland.com in an email response. "That has always been a cornerstone of our drug-testing programs.'' ESPN's Adam Schefter first reported that Gordon's team will argue second-hand smoke, and profootballtalk.com's Mike Florio first reported that the lawyers will argue disparity in Gordon's test results. The source told cleveland.com that Gordon's case is different than the other players who lost their "second-hand smoke'' appeal in that Gordon is believed to be the only one who's "B'' test was below the NFL's threshold for the banned substance in marijuana, THC. When players in the NFL are drug-screened, two different tests are used. Gordon measured 38 nanograms per milliliter of THC on the immunoassay test, above the NFL's threshold of 20. Most other sports organizations have a 50 cutoff or higher to avoid second-hand smoke issue, the source said. The second test involves an "A" sample and "B'' sample. If the "A'' sample is above the NFL threshold of 15 nanograms for this particular test, the "B'' sample is tested to confirm it. The source said Gordon measured 16 nanograms on the "A'' sample, just one above the NFL's threshold. He measured 13.63 nanograms on the "B'' sample, below the NFL cutoff. According to NFL policy, the "B'' test does not have to be above 15 nanograms to confirm the first test -- it just has to contain some of the same banned substance. But the source said the fact that one urine specimen resulted in two different numbers -- the 16 and the 13.63 -- indicates "uncertain'' test results and that those will be disputed by Gordon's legal team. The source said the NFL is basing it's minimum one-year ban on "this very inconsistent test result'' and the legal team does not believe that the results are scientifically valid or valid under the rules. Furthermore, the lawyers, including highly-respect NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee -- will argue that the NFL stated in negotiations for the recent collective bargaining agreement that it doesn't intend to discipline anyone for exposure to second-hand smoke. His team believes that if the NFL is going to hold true to its statement, Gordon shouldn't be sanctioned. There is recent evidence that Gordon has been exposed to second-hand smoke. Over Memorial Day Weekend, he was stopped for speeding and the Cuyahoga County Sherriff smelled marijuana in the car. Gordon was not charged with possession, but one of his passengers was. The source told cleveland.com that in addition to Gordon testing negative about 70 times since his rookie year, he's tested positive only once for marijuana in the NFL -- in his rookie year in 2012. Gordon also tested positive for codeine last year, but said it was contained in his prescribed cough syrup for a sore throat. That second positive drug test -- and subsequent two-game suspension and four game-check penalty -- launched Gordon into Stage III of the NFL's substance abuse program, where he's tested up to 10 times per month and remains for the remainder of his career. A third failed test results in the indefinite ban -- essentially getting kicked out of the league -- and the player must wait a year to apply for re-instatement. During that time, he's not allowed at the team facility for meetings or workouts. The source stressed that all of that could happen to Gordon despite the fact "there's a great uncertainty as to whether the sample is even negative under the NFL's rules.'' The World Anti-Doping Association has increased its threshold to 150 nanograms to account for second-hand smoke. Most players lose their appeals for drug bans, as the NFL adheres to its policy very strictly. Gordon's appeal with an NFL-appointed arbitrator will take place all day Friday in the NFL offices in New York City. If he wins, he could re-join the team immediately, and if he loses, he'll be banned right away. Several other NFL players this offseason have lost their appeals on their indefinite bans. Those close to Gordon fear that if he's kicked out of the league, he'll have a hard time resuming his career in the same way that Justin Blackmon of the Jaguars has. Blackmon, on indefinite suspension, was recently arrested for marijuana possession. The source told cleveland.com that Gordon's recent DWI in Raleigh, N.C. will have no bearing on this case. His blood-alcohol level was .09, above North Carolina's legal limit of .08. He also said that Gordon's two-week stint in a rehab facility in California was Gordon's attempt to make sure he never finds himself in a situation like this again. Gordon, who also failed three marijuana tests in college, reported to Browns training camp on time Friday night and has been on the practice field each day since then.He's consistently made big plays in practice, but has sometimes appeared distracted. Reporters have requested to speak with Gordon each day, but he has not yet been available. Last season, he led the NFL with 1,646 yards after missing those first two games on the drug suspension. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has said he won't cut Gordon and that the club will try to help him. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/post_186.html
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And as soon as the suspension is announced, he should be neutered of course so he can never breed.
Well, if he had definitely continued to smoke pot, he wouldn't have to worry. His sperm count would be so reduced he might become infertile if he isn't already.
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Who is this source? Pffftttt................this entire thing is sickening. He is probably going to get off because he is a star and him and the Browns are going to try and buy their way out of it. Freaking lawyers/agents are now sources that are credible.  I'm not liking this at all. We talk about tradition in Cleveland. We don't have a logo. We don't have cheerleaders. But, we are going to try to buy our way out of a situation in which our player is clearly guilty.  I would have had a lot more respect for Gordon and the Browns if they would have just manned up and admitted to making a mistake and trying to correct the problem. But no, we are trying to weasel our way out of this on freaking technicalities. Disappointing to none of you, apparently..........but, it disappoints this long-time fan. 
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All that A and B stuff sounds weird to me.
Maybe this will end all the posts dedicated to him missing a flight. Then again, maybe not. 
And maybe the fact that he passed 70 tests will end all the posts dedicated to him being an addict and/or not serious about following the rules.
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Found this is a comment section on the espn story talking about Gordon:
I WORK AT A DRUG TESTING LABORATORY...
The ONLY way second hand smoke can come up positive on a confirmed drug test is if the individual had been in a very, very small space (such as a car) for at least 2 hours or more with heavy smoke being present. In other words, he would've had to been in a car for 2+ hours that was being hot-boxed. Highly unlikely and not believable.
Drug tests have CUT-OFF LEVELS. These are put there for a reason. You can get a bit of THC in your system from common second-hand smoke but it is IMPOSSIBLE for those levels to exceed the cutoff level (unless the 2nd hand smoke came in the fashion described in my first paragraph.) Standard cutoff level for a screen test is 50 ng/mL and 15 ng/mL for a confirmation test.
***EDIT***: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FEW KEY POINTS.
I think GORDON WILL WIN HIS APPEAL.... this is why-- Gordon's drug test was a SPLIT test. This means that the urine was collected into one cup and then poured off into 2 separate vials. This is done for the donor's protection in case they want to call for a re-test. "Bottle A" was tested and came back above cut-off. At that point, I'm sure the results were protested, so they went ahead and processed "Bottle B" and saw that it was below cut-off. Drug testing in the workplace and Department Of Transportation (DOT drug testing, which is the highest regulated in our nation) says that if Bottle B comes back below the cutoff, then the sample is deemed NEGATIVE even if the first bottle (Bottle A) was positive.
For this reason, I believe Gordon will win his appeal. It wasn't because the 2 bottles had 2 different levels as stated in the article. In fact, the article makes it sound like the reason that was even brought up was to say that something was tampered with and bottles were switched around. Fact is, a sample done on a split collection can definitely show 2 different readings. I confirmed this with my lab manager who has been in the forensic drug testing field for 20+ years.
THAT ALL BEING SAID, I still believe he DID smoke, but lucky for him, whatever was remaining had juuuuuuuust exited his system (or close to it.) If it was actually from second hand smoke, then he deserves the punishment for even being around people hotboxing a car for several hours? That's just poor judgement on his part and just because he didn't put it to his mouth and smoke it, doesn't mean he didn't get the effects from it. I think he got very lucky.
so in essence he was DUMB DONKEY for putting himself in a position to test second hand positive, but the test is screwed up and as a technicality the NFL will have a hard time with a year suspension.
Its also crazy that the threshold for the NFL is 15 ng/ml, MLB is 50 ng/ml, and the world organization is 150 ng/ml.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Greg Little came to Gordon's hearing (as a witness?) and told them that it was him smoking the pot and that Gordon never had any. They could possibly test him, but that would presumably be long after being able to be tested for and they couldn't say that he had tested positive.
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All that A and B stuff sounds weird to me.
Maybe this will end all the posts dedicated to him missing a flight. Then again, maybe not.
And maybe the fact that he passed 70 tests will end all the posts dedicated to him being an addict and/or not serious about following the rules.
How so? If it is illegal, it is illegal. If you get a DUI, it is not following the rules. If you get multiple speeding tickets, it is illegal and not following the rules.
You can get angry at me, but you have NO case. The guy has been a habitual offender of breaking rules. Look, most of us mess up, me included. But, if you get busted once..........it's time to give it up. You NEVER EVER want to be a multiple offender. Sure, it might be bad luck that you got nabbed, but once you do.............it's got to stop!
I'm sorry you don't get that. But, if I walk by you 71 times and don't pee on your shoe 70 times, I am still WRONG for doing it that one time................especially if I had done it several times in the past and you and the law warned me to NEVER let it happen again.
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You actually really want him to be suspended just to be proven right, aren't you? Guess it's the same reason you defend that PR clown on our roster who rolls dollar bills for whatever reason one would do that. That's ok, I guess, since I don't hear you clamoring for a suspension or testing there... Yeah, it's all about football  Gordon should go unpunished. He and the Browns got lucky that the B test just tested under. By any scientific measurement, this is simply not enough proof, especially if 70 other test before that one have gone under too. It's actually a joke he even got a hearing set based on this grounds, if the NFL knew this from the get go. This won't hold in front of any court...of course, the NFL has their "own" strange ruling system, that is completely out of whack and has little to nothing to do with morals
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Found this is a comment section on the espn story talking about Gordon:
I WORK AT A DRUG TESTING LABORATORY...
The ONLY way second hand smoke can come up positive on a confirmed drug test is if the individual had been in a very, very small space (such as a car) for at least 2 hours or more with heavy smoke being present. In other words, he would've had to been in a car for 2+ hours that was being hot-boxed. Highly unlikely and not believable.
Drug tests have CUT-OFF LEVELS. These are put there for a reason. You can get a bit of THC in your system from common second-hand smoke but it is IMPOSSIBLE for those levels to exceed the cutoff level (unless the 2nd hand smoke came in the fashion described in my first paragraph.) Standard cutoff level for a screen test is 50 ng/mL and 15 ng/mL for a confirmation test.
***EDIT***: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FEW KEY POINTS.
I think GORDON WILL WIN HIS APPEAL.... this is why-- Gordon's drug test was a SPLIT test. This means that the urine was collected into one cup and then poured off into 2 separate vials. This is done for the donor's protection in case they want to call for a re-test. "Bottle A" was tested and came back above cut-off. At that point, I'm sure the results were protested, so they went ahead and processed "Bottle B" and saw that it was below cut-off. Drug testing in the workplace and Department Of Transportation (DOT drug testing, which is the highest regulated in our nation) says that if Bottle B comes back below the cutoff, then the sample is deemed NEGATIVE even if the first bottle (Bottle A) was positive.
For this reason, I believe Gordon will win his appeal. It wasn't because the 2 bottles had 2 different levels as stated in the article. In fact, the article makes it sound like the reason that was even brought up was to say that something was tampered with and bottles were switched around. Fact is, a sample done on a split collection can definitely show 2 different readings. I confirmed this with my lab manager who has been in the forensic drug testing field for 20+ years.
THAT ALL BEING SAID, I still believe he DID smoke, but lucky for him, whatever was remaining had juuuuuuuust exited his system (or close to it.) If it was actually from second hand smoke, then he deserves the punishment for even being around people hotboxing a car for several hours? That's just poor judgement on his part and just because he didn't put it to his mouth and smoke it, doesn't mean he didn't get the effects from it. I think he got very lucky.
so in essence he was DUMB DONKEY for putting himself in a position to test second hand positive, but the test is screwed up and as a technicality the NFL will have a hard time with a year suspension.
Its also crazy that the threshold for the NFL is 15 ng/ml, MLB is 50 ng/ml, and the world organization is 150 ng/ml.
Informative and insightful, thanks for posting.
I do have to question the process, though. When you are talking about measuring anything to the nano-degree, that's very small amounts. Seeing that the 2 tests were off by close to 15% from each other (this is assuming that the actual liquid samples were the same), doesn't that somewhat invalidate the findings?
In the scientific world of measuring something, being off by 15% between 2 samples makes it seem like the test procedure/equipment isn't very accurate. And if it's not that accurate, how can they really suspend him for being 1 nano-unit over the limit?
Seems to me that the only way to really give a reading that has any validity is to take multiple readings (certainly more than 2) and average them out.
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Proven right about what? Did you even read my earlier post about him dealing w/the issue and conquering it? Did you read that the Browns will be better off if he deals w/the situation and stays clean long term? Did you read where I said we are not winning the Super Bowl this year anyway?
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You have made an inordinate number of dumb statements over the years, but this may take the cake. I have been defending Manziel? Where? I did say I thought he was smart and confident and that it would stupid to count him out, but I also said that I wish he would concentrate more on football and that the rolling of the bill really bothered me.
Did JM fail a drug test already? In college? In the pros? What the hell are you talking about? If he does fail multiple tests like Gordon has, I will speak the same about JM as I am about JG. I am consistent. I leave the agenda BS for you. 
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if its true about the 2 samples, he will win his appeal and wont get any suspension at all for the failed drug test. The conduct policy may get him however for pot in the car and the dui arrest. I think we may see a 2 game suspension for that.
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All that A and B stuff sounds weird to me.
Maybe this will end all the posts dedicated to him missing a flight. Then again, maybe not.
He did miss the "A" plane by just a few minutes, but he did get the last seat on the "B" plane.
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How would you know, you registered in March of 2013.
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