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41% Are Fiscal Conservatives Voters remain conservative on money issues and continue to be more conservative when it comes to social policy. A new Rasmussen Reports national survey finds that 41% of Likely U.S. Voters identify themselves as conservative on fiscal issues such as taxes, government spending and business regulation. That's unchanged from December which marked the lowest number of fiscal conservatives in over a year. However, just 14% are liberal in this area, while 40% view themselves as moderates. What's your flavor for the mid term elections? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...l_conservatives
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41% Are Fiscal Conservatives
Voters remain conservative on money issues and continue to be more conservative when it comes to social policy.
A new Rasmussen Reports national survey finds that 41% of Likely U.S. Voters identify themselves as conservative on fiscal issues such as taxes, government spending and business regulation. That's unchanged from December which marked the lowest number of fiscal conservatives in over a year. However, just 14% are liberal in this area, while 40% view themselves as moderates.
What's your flavor for the mid term elections?
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I fall off the scale in this regard.
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None of the above. I feel the classifications restrict common sense.
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a lot of people identify as fiscal conservatives, sure. how the population has voted the past 2 presidential elections, though, show that its more than just money that takes a part in how they vote.
i think most people are moderates when its all said and done. some lean slightly left, some slightly right.
i mean think about it. TRUE conservatives want more personal responsibility, less government control. how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
TRUE liberals want equal chances for all, and care about the man beside you as a community. once again, how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
thats just how i see it, anyway.
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a lot of people identify as fiscal conservatives, sure. how the population has voted the past 2 presidential elections, though, show that its more than just money that takes a part in how they vote.
i think most people are moderates when its all said and done. some lean slightly left, some slightly right.
i mean think about it. TRUE conservatives want more personal responsibility, less government control. how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
TRUE liberals want equal chances for all, and care about the man beside you as a community. once again, how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
thats just how i see it, anyway.
This is very well put.
I consider, if one wishes to dissect this into groups, I would have to go with the term "moderate". And it's because of exactly the way you described it.
Some issues I agree with the conservative viewpoint, while some issues I would agree with the liberal viewpoint.
Which is what makes it so difficult to choose between who to vote for in elections.
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Which is what makes it so difficult to choose between who to vote for in elections.
Doesn't matter anyway. Once they get to Washington they get seduced by and succumb to the power or other politicians and vote their wallets not their conscience.
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the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
What is the stat, 5% of americans control 90% of the wealth?
If so, what is the political makeup of that 5%? Id guess 65% Republican- 35% Democrat. Just something Ive been curious about.
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None of the above. I feel the classifications restrict common sense.
Pretty much.
I find it interesting how much time is spent arguing over such philosophies when neither are really represented in American government.
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a lot of people identify as fiscal conservatives, sure. how the population has voted the past 2 presidential elections, though, show that its more than just money that takes a part in how they vote.
i think most people are moderates when its all said and done. some lean slightly left, some slightly right.
i mean think about it. TRUE conservatives want more personal responsibility, less government control. how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
TRUE liberals want equal chances for all, and care about the man beside you as a community. once again, how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
thats just how i see it, anyway.
Wow Swish,,, You put into a few words what I've thought for a while.
Well done young man. 
*I assume you are younger than I am, but on the off chance you are older,,, Well done Old Timer 
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The Republicans should consider nominating a Fiscal Conservative in one of these Presidential Elections.
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But then the evangelicals won't vote for them.
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I've never voted. *ducks behind wall*
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I haven't voted on the federal level in a long time.
What's the point?
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My favorite part is when I tell people that, and they're like.. "Aren't you in the Army though?"
As if the military forces me to vote or something..
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The Republicans should consider nominating a Fiscal Conservative in one of these Presidential Elections.
That would be an excellent idea.
They tried to fake it with Romney, but his track record wasn't one of a fiscal conservative. (but to be fair, it was about as fiscally conservative as one could hope for from a candidate from Massachusetts)
If the Republicans are smart, they look for a well spoken and persuasive orator, with a history of fiscal conservatism, who can walk carefully through issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. (Maybe a guy who says "My personal beliefs are thus ..... however this country is in so much financial peril that we need to make sure our focus is on getting the finances right, and all other matters are secondary. Besides, gay marriage is a state's rights issue, not a matter for the federal government.
Then he needs to be disciplined enough to stay on a fiscal ,message, and not get dragged into the muck of social issues where he will only wind up vilified.
However, I wonder if even the most fiscally conservative candidate will actually be able to accomplish anything through the morass our system has become, and the corruption that has entangled almost every aspect of government.
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Lawrence Vickers could do it...
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a lot of people identify as fiscal conservatives, sure. how the population has voted the past 2 presidential elections, though, show that its more than just money that takes a part in how they vote.
i think most people are moderates when its all said and done. some lean slightly left, some slightly right.
i mean think about it. TRUE conservatives want more personal responsibility, less government control. how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
TRUE liberals want equal chances for all, and care about the man beside you as a community. once again, how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
thats just how i see it, anyway.
I agree with your assessment, but I do think our present day political system is beyond the ability to compromise. A new moderate party may be a solution, but finding politicians that honestly fit that profile could be difficult, and funding that philosophy could be challenging.
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I agree with your assessment, but I do think our present day political system is beyond the ability to compromise.
Then we need to kick them all out and get new folks.. They are there to work FOR us.. This BS of only working for a few has got to stop.. And I don't care which few you speak of..
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I agree with this statement. Personally, I think if there was a way, most people currently in congress should be fired on the spot and replaced by people who truly want to be there and cooperate with one another. What the republican party or democrats for the matter need to do, is to put out a candidate who is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. SMH, I couldn't imagine either of the party platforms strongly nominating someone like that, and in my mind it's unfortunate and sad.
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How would the fiscal conservative fund the social liberals' agenda / programs?
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I am a Conservative, Moderate, Liberal.
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Ask yourself who the last fiscally conservative president was.
Our system doesn't really allow for one.
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I meant being liberal only in the sense of certain ideals (i.e. same sex marriage, abortion, etc.). Of course there would be spending on certain programs perhaps dealing with strengthening institutions and investing (since this is a form of spending itself). However, because of the nature of politics and rational choice theory (looking after yourself, your part, and wanting to get re-elected), the spending often turns into rent seeking. 
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It does not matter, neither Democrats or Republicans are fiscally conservative.
Republicans talks a good game, but willfully ignore their words when provided the opportunity to lead. The just spend the money in different ways or carve up the tax code. When out of power, spending becomes their number one complaint... It has been this way for years.
There are two things that makes someone a fiscal conservative, they recognize both revenue and spending. We are so paralyzed, we can't even have a discussion about fixing a terribly messed up tax system because both sides would try to rig the game for their constituents.
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It does not matter, neither Democrats or Republicans are fiscally conservative.
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Republicans talks a good game, but willfully ignore their words when provided the opportunity to lead. The just spend the money in different ways or carve up the tax code. When out of power, spending becomes their number one complaint... It has been this way for years.
Half the time, the Republicans don't even talk a good game. They just say that they'll spend the money a different way. They will willfully allow a bad piece of costly legislation to remain on the books so that when they're controlling the executive branch, they can use it as a slush fund too.
George Washington warned us of this danger in his farewell speech and yet, we descended into the muckery of partisan politics. This has always been the real danger to the republic. Look at where taking that road has gotten us!
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There are two things that makes someone a fiscal conservative, they recognize both revenue and spending. We are so paralyzed, we can't even have a discussion about fixing a terribly messed up tax system because both sides would try to rig the game for their political benefactors.
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a lot of people identify as fiscal conservatives, sure. how the population has voted the past 2 presidential elections, though, show that its more than just money that takes a part in how they vote.
i think most people are moderates when its all said and done. some lean slightly left, some slightly right.
i mean think about it. TRUE conservatives want more personal responsibility, less government control. how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
TRUE liberals want equal chances for all, and care about the man beside you as a community. once again, how can we NOT get behind those ideas.
the problem? the extremes of both, while the minority, not only have the most money, but have the loudest voices in our country. and of course, are in power, and thats what we see in the news.
thats just how i see it, anyway.
Excellent post, Swish. It's sad that most TV shows or articles that people read (or post on internet message boards) are usually the extreme, agenda-driven variety that are designed to "get people talking" for the sake or ratings/hits/ego. Rarely do we see something with enough common sense to look at ideas or stories from more than one angle.
I do find the idea of a more "Moderate Party" interesting and one I could get behind as I believe most Americans would. The problem, of course, is that there is no way to be "extreme" in order to get sensationalized and get people talking.
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There are no actual liberals of any significant number. There's far right, right. moderate right, centrist, and left of center.
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The thing that I cannot reconcile about the conservative movement it that on one hand they wish for more personal responsibility, while at the same time wanting to legislate social (pick your hot button) issues.
There is the fantasy of less government regulation and intervention into our lives, and common complaints about the over reach of government.
Yet the moment that we have a disease outbreak, a natural disaster or any number of items, (see rail cars blowing up, and that leak in WVA) we forget about things and want help. Remember the banking disaster and how painful it was for everyone to advert that fiasco, so much for free market rule.
I work in the environmental field and would shudder to think what the world would look like if we did not have some of the regulations. We live in a country of 320 million people, and we all can't have a 40 acre spread to maintain a private utopia.
We fund the Highway Transportation Fund with a fuel tax that has not been raised from 18 cents a gallon since 1994. We should not be complaining about the roads.
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It's much sneakier to introduce new taxes and tolls on roadways than to index the HTF for inflation....
Road maintenance is one of the few items I wholeheartedly support the federal government maintaining and we fail at even doing that...
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My comment wasn't meant to be about the road conditions, but rather we should tie gasoline taxes to road maintenance and that is what the HTF fund is for. But we haven't done that since the early 90s and it has artificially lowered the cost of gas in this country. To cover the costs of roadways we should just increase the HTF tax to account for it but tying a service to those who use it is too simple for politicians to get behind.
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We fund the Highway Transportation Fund with a fuel tax that has not been raised from 18 cents a gallon since 1994. We should not be complaining about the roads.
You're right about that. We should be complaining about the contracts the government signs to have those roads repaired or built. In DC, most road workers are 3rd and 4th generation road contractors. We've all seen 20 guys standing around the job site, with two guys actually digging. Is this a union contract or is it written into the contract that they have to employ so many people? We are wasting money on contracts like this. Government waste is probably one of our biggest problems when it comes to fiscal responsibility.
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There is a major intersection on Alico road near me that was completely re-finished, three separate times, in a 6 month period.
The only way such stupidity happens is when the people spending the money have no connection to earning it, and no motivation whatsoever to spend it wisely. The above situation was much talked about in the news. No one was fired, no one lost their job, no one took responsibility.
We seem to be getting near-universal agreement that the government in Washington spends large amounts of money stupidly. We do not seem to be able to stop the stupidity. Our one remaining option is to cut off the flow of cash.
You want to feed hungry people? Give Washington a dollar, they might be able to feed one person. Give that dollar to your local food bank, they'll feed two with it.
Wanna save the whales, or polar bears, or abandoned greyhounds or pit bulls? Tell you what, YOU take YOUR dollar and give it to whatever organization you choose. Don't tell me I should give mine to Washington and let them choose what to do with it.
You want a retirement plan? Giving that money to Bernie Maidoff would give better odds than letting your politician handle it. You could trust them, and you could trust however is running the company you work for twenty years from now to make good on a promise somebody else made. Or, YOU could take YOUR money and invest or use it in whatever way YOU think is best to use the money YOU earned.
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If the Republicans are smart, they look for a well spoken and persuasive orator, with a history of fiscal conservatism, who can walk carefully through issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
I don't think Bill is allowed to run for a 3rd term, especially against his wife.
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