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j/c: Vince Young is a jerk. He is bad for team chemistry. He quit on his team too many times. He took himself out of games. Fisher was ready to quit because of him. The guy has some talent, but he is a cancer. It really bothers me that our "brain trust" is apparently so clueless about QBs. They have said dumb things, now they are doing dumb things. 
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I kinda fell outta my chair when I read this news in the morning.........but now I'm fine with it. Why not. I agree Vers that he quit on teams at different times. I sure don't want anyone to be counting on him.......but hey you never know. Maybe he grew up a lot.
Time will tell. He likely won't be around all that long to get to upset about it.
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I wouldn't say I am upset about it, but I will say that I have been a little bit skeptical about Farmer and Pettine's ability to evaluate qbs due to some of the comments they have made. I was hoping it was all smoke, but man, if they are interested in Vince Young...........my fears are becoming magnified.
Thigpin I can digest. Young is a cancer. Bad move.
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They are bringing them in for tryouts, not signing them.
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It never hurts to bring anyone in for a look see.
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Reading between the lines, the story is, the Browns do not want to push Hoyer anymore than they have to in the upcoming mini camps...
...May 22-24
...May 30-June 1
...June 12-15
...May 11-13 (rookies),
...June 5-7
Hoyer's ACL surgery was just over 6 months ago and according to Pettine, the Browns doctors just cleared Hoyer to practice. Most ACL surgeries require a year or longer to fully recover. I know some are hoping that Hoyer will be ready to start when the regular season starts, but that is a schedule date that is not predictable at this time.
The Browns need more bodies at QB going into the mini camps so I'm not the least bit surprised that Young and Thigpin are getting a look.
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Vince Young is a jerk. He is bad for team chemistry. He quit on his team too many times. He took himself out of games. Fisher was ready to quit because of him. The guy has some talent, but he is a cancer.
^ This.
So say these guys ( I really have no opinion on Tyler) try out well enough to make the team as number 2, 3, or 4.
Seems they are thinking,
"Hey If I play enough to keep me on the bench on a "up and rising" team."
"I will be comfy."
Then in Typical Browns fashion. All QB's get banged up.
And Mr.Quitter ends up as starter.
This is a recurring nightmare it seems in Cleveland.
IMO Try out ... Fine....
If Young makes the game-day roster on a good lookin try out.
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I've heard this a few times now... what dumb things has the FO & Pettine said about QB's?
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I've heard this a few times now... what dumb things has the FO & Pettine said about QB's?
I think he's referring to the talk by Farmer and Pettine that (paraphrasing here) that the less you put on a QB's shoulders the better off you are.
I see the value in that thinking to a point, but in the end, you still need a QB.
Having said that, this could all be smoke and mirrors.. No sense in getting panties in a bunch this time of year..
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ITT making mountains out of molehills. They invited him to voluntary camp to have a look (likely for our 3rd string QB) and we're in here talking about we don't value smart QB's.... 
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ITT making mountains out of molehills.
They invited him to voluntary camp to have a look (likely for our 3rd string QB) and we're in here talking about we don't value smart QB's....
This is what happens when you have jerks with knees....or something like that.
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I've heard this a few times now... what dumb things has the FO & Pettine said about QB's?
At about the 2 minute mark he makes the quote that everybody is referencing..
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Young had the talent.
He had the "IT" factor.
What he didn't have is the fortitude to make himself into the best QB possible.
He did not grow. He did not progress in the NFL classroom - more important he didn't seem to care. Possibly a product of the Big contracts awarded to QBs drafted.
Has he been humbled? Did he take that contract and he's set for life? Is football a profession for him or just a hobby he enjoys?
More than likely we need him and/or others here for reps so that Hoyer can limit his use and leg drive with the 80+ roster we will have and well over 10 WRs that need reps.
At best Young will answer some of the questions - If he is humbled and wishes to work hard - he might be welcomed aboard??? If not more than likely he's a victim of the TURK!
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Actually VY is broke, he had $25 mil in contracts and $25 in endorsements ( pre tax) and spent it all.
Of course in true,it aint my fault, fashion he is blaming his agent.
Pretty much a meh signing, camp arm that may hang on until final cuts, did he play in Buffalo when Pettine was there?
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vince has won more games than weeden and mccoy and frye and anderson combined
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I've heard this a few times now... what dumb things has the FO & Pettine said about QB's?
At about the 2 minute mark he makes the quote that everybody is referencing..
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I don't see how he is wrong. If you don't have that top tier QB and one is not available to draft then you do have to build up the team to win with what you have and what you can get.
He is not saying we don't need a QB. He is also not giving away what we plan to draft either so you have to take that into consideration. Very few view any of the QB's in this draft as elite prospects. Maybe good prospects but not elite. This is why so many teams are looking at taking a QB in later part of round one or in round two because that's where most of these QB's belong if not all of them.
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He is worth looking at. No risk involved. He will either work is way on to the roster by doing what he is supposed to do or he will get cut.
His leash is very short. I am sure he knows where he is in his career. He gets to park in the back lot.
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Agreed...maybe he becomes like Charlie Batch. A one-time, average starter who is upgraded and released...goes to another team understanding that he is a backup...plays another ten years...wins a few fairly big games...gets a SB ring.
It's April...this can only help (unlikely) and cannot hurt.
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It wouldnt surprise me if Young beats out Hoyer for the starting job. Young has alot more talent than Hoyer does. dont get me wrong I really like Hoyer but the facts are facts. he was undrafted for a reason. Right now Im getting the Kelly Holcomb vibe from Hoyer. Looked great in limited action, but just like Kelly Im afraid once teams get more on Hoyer they will expose the holes in his game.
Vince Young has alot of opportunity here, this O is tailor made for a player with his skill set. Right now I think people are kidding themselves if they think Hoyer is a long term answer. I remember being fooled already with Holcomb. Im going to take a wait and see approach this offseason.
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Young?
People ought not get caught up in Young's record. He stinks. His accuracy is abysmal. He throws balls up for grabs. He struggles with reading defenses, and under pressure. He locks on to receivers. He really does very little at an average level, let alone a plus level.
If he is our starter, we're in major, big time trouble.There is a reason he's been out of football for 2 years, while guys like Kellen Clemons, Case Keenum, Matt McGloin, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, Blaine Gabbert, Jeff Tuel, and others had jobs last year .... and saw the field ..... and Young did not.
Just because he was drafted 8 or 9 years ago, and Hoyer was not, does not make him a better player. Hoyer may never work out for us, but Young is an awful QB.
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It wouldnt surprise me if Young beats out Hoyer for the starting job. Young has alot more talent than Hoyer does. dont get me wrong I really like Hoyer but the facts are facts. he was undrafted for a reason. Right now Im getting the Kelly Holcomb vibe from Hoyer. Looked great in limited action, but just like Kelly Im afraid once teams get more on Hoyer they will expose the holes in his game.
Vince Young has alot of opportunity here, this O is tailor made for a player with his skill set. Right now I think people are kidding themselves if they think Hoyer is a long term answer. I remember being fooled already with Holcomb. Im going to take a wait and see approach this offseason.
Hoyer might have went undrafted for a reason, but Young has been out of the league for a while ... for a reason.
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vince has won more games than weeden and mccoy and frye and anderson combined
You're not saying too much there. 
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If "games won" was the only metric that mattered, Tim Tebow would be able to actually say he is a quarterback - and mean it.
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If Young has his head screwed on straight (and from the looks of it he does), I can't think of many people better suited to mentor Johnny Football about the perils of being a star college QB going to the NFL.
Young was (and still is) a god in Austin.
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During camp we need the bodies. Hoyer isn't cleared for everything yet and that leaves only one QB on the roster. Bringing in Young and Thigpen isn't a bad idea. For one thing, Young knows the basics of the offense having spent time with Andy Reid in Philly. I don't think anyone is talking about Young as the future of the club. But having a guy in that knows a little bit about the offense so they can go through some stuff while Hoyer is still limited can only be a good thing....
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I got no qualms with this. I thought last season, when he was on GB's roster, he played well in preseason. Making throws, still showing he can elude pressure n' scramble. I'd take him over Jason Campbell and most others we've had.
Plus, as stated, the more bodies in camp the better. I don't like Thigpen (sp?) but if he can aide in pushing Hoyer and Young, then awesome. I guess Sexy Rexy is now a thing of the not-possible given I believe someone from the Browns indicated they will either sign Vince or Thigpen.
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I feel bad, but I can't help but laugh every time I think about the fact that Vince Young blew through $26 Million in six years.
Apparently- of all the places him and his buddies could have frequented- they just killed it and lived it up extremely at TGI Fridays in Nashville.
Just couldn't get enough of TGI Fridays and the Cheesecake Factory.
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well, if it helps your giggles at all, he never actually got $26 million.
His contract may have been that much, but he never would have actually gotten that much.
First and foremost, agents get a cut off the top, then there is a boatload of taxes to be paid. Personal assistants and such have salaries that have to be paid, etc..
So, he still blew through a ton of money, but a more reasonable guess of what he actually blew it probably closer to $10 million, maybe even less - given that he was already dumb enough to blow through it, he was probably dumb enough to hire a lot of really bad people at very bad salaries.
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Athlete blows through millions of dollars.
News at 11.
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it probably closer to $10 million, maybe even less - given that he was already dumb enough to blow through it, he was probably dumb enough to hire a lot of really bad people at very bad salaries.
and he is suing one of his agent/managers for stealing several million of those dollars from him too.
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Plus he got $25mil in endorsement money that he also blew through. I know I know closer to $10 ( not sure how that was arrived at, but dont feel like arguing it). So it's only $20 mil or so that he spent all of... really arent we all guilty of that, 
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'Browns expect to sign Vince Young or Tyler Thigpen or both' http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...higpen-or-both/Posted by Darin Gantt on April 30, 2014, 10:44 AM EDT The Browns have a quarterback on the mend, and one on the way. But they’re trying to decide if they want to keep one or both of the other guys in camp with them this week. According to Scott Petrak of the Lorain Chronicle-Telegram, the Browns are expected to sign either Vince Young or Tyler Thigpen, or perhaps both, after their tryouts at minicamp this week. “I would think that we would sign at least one coming out of this camp,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said. Young was in camp with the Packers last year, but hasn’t been on a regular season roster since 2011. “The fire is lit always,” Young said. “One thing a lot of people don’t know, I love this game so much. “I’m just happy to be here and just happy for the opportunity. I’m just going to make the best of it and hopefully I get an opportunity to make the team.” For Browns wideout Josh Gordon, it was a bit of a star-struck moment, as he grew up in Houston watching the former Texas standout. “We looked up to him,” Gordon said. “He was one of the best guys out of the city. “He’s still got it.” If he really had it, he wouldn’t have been out of work so long, with the scarcity of NFL quarterbacks. (end)
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Young said. “One thing a lot of people don’t know, I love this game so much, and I'm really broke.
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Tyler Thigpen finishing up a very strong minicamp with the Browns. The QB expected to sign there today. Vince Young also working out for CLE
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Cleveland Browns Sign Tyler Thigpen And Vince Young
The Cleveland Browns have reached a deal with QB Tyler Thigpen after a workout with the team, per Jason LaCanfora. The team also worked out Vince Young during the work outs and decided to sign him to a contract as well. Both of the quarterbacks will compete for a roster spot during training camp and the preseason.
Young was out of the league last season, but he tried to catch on with the Green Bay Packers during the preseason. He wasn’t able to make it out of the preseason, but he will get another opportunity this year to catch on with the Browns.
Thigpen last played with the Buffalo Bills a couple of seasons ago and he played in 4 games with them that season. He wasn’t on a roster last season and he will be fighting for a roster spot with the Browns this offseason.
Both quarterbacks will be competing for the backup role on the roster behind Brian Hoyer and anyone else they decide to bring in through the NFL Draft.
http://nflspinzone.com/2014/05/01/cleveland-browns-choose-tyler-thigpen-vince-young/
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If they are both on the team in September we're in serious trouble.
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If they are both on the team in September we're in serious trouble.
What if neither guy plays a snap in the regular season?
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If they are both on the team in September we're in serious trouble.
What if neither guy plays a snap in the regular season?
I would take that as to mean for some reason we're carrying 4 QBs...
Because theres no way we don't draft one somewhere...
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