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Now school districts and businesses across the country are faced with millions in deficits with the OCA mandate of coverage for employees who work 30 hours. Here is a "short list" of the tragedy unfolding. http://news.investors.com/politics-obama...-hours-jobs.htm
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Can't be, because I was told all along that I was crazy when I said that this is what would happen. 
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This is the "change" that we were promised?  Obama, can you please use your phone and pen to remove yourself from office? Before you go, can you carry out one last executive order that the Obamacare/ACA system/implementation be wiped away from the record books and let's just take our loses with it now and move on from this... failure.
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"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
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"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
Barack Obama
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I'm sure there will be some cuts in order to comply and their will probably other employers that don't hire in order to keep staff under 50. Trade-offs will be OT for some workers, more hires to fill demand (for the over 50 workers/under 30hrs) although increased productivity will continue to be the goal. I prefer to work less than 30 hours. So, I'll take advantage of opportunity. The Right-Wing Media will continue to convince their believers that my decision is "Obama's Fault"
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I'm sure there will be some cuts in order to comply and their will probably other employers that don't hire in order to keep staff under 50. Trade-offs will be OT for some workers, more hires to fill demand (for the over 50 workers/under 30hrs) although increased productivity will continue to be the goal.
I prefer to work less than 30 hours. So, I'll take advantage of opportunity. The Right-Wing Media will continue to convince their believers that my decision is "Obama's Fault"
I wish I could have worked less than 30 hours/week and still supported myself ....... but I couldn't. Frankly, I don't see how anyone could. (unless that means we need yet another bump in the minimum wage, so that minimum wage employees can make a "living wage" on only 25-30 hours/week ..... because, you know, that would be "fair". 
I am curious as to what kind of job you have where you can support yourself and possibly a family, working less than 30 hours/week. If you can't support yourself, then who should?
When I was much younger, and I had left a relatively high paying job because of a disagreement with the management, I had to work some lower wage jobs to make ends meet. I say "jobs", because I was working 70 or so hours/week between 2 jobs. I wasn't getting rich, but I was paying the bills.
I truly wonder how many people theses days would do that ..... and how many would just work 20 or so hours ..... complaining about how unfair it all is .......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Over 50 percent of businesses with 40 to 70 employees report they plan to make personnel decisions to stay below the 50 full-time equivalent worker threshold, including cutting hours and hiring more temporary help. Simply put: More than half of the companies surveyed that should be creating jobs are incurring additional costs and whittling away valuable time and energy to navigate the overly-burdensome provisions within Obamacare. While it's just over a year away, we are already seeing the creation of a part-time economy by companies that would otherwise be leading economic growth. http://www.cnbc.com/id/101196459
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I really like how we pretend about how getting a job is as easy as it was 20 years ago. Reminds me of old people talking about working a summer job and paying tuition.
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millcreek, FYI, one of the authors is VP at one of the largest lobbying groups in the country.
Its very idealistic to claim these businesses "should be creating jobs." Their purpose is to make profits, not improve the nation's employment picture. In fact, this guy's group has taken a lot of foreign money and used it for lobbying. Now, why would foreign companies give an American Lobbyist Group money? Hmm....
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I am curious as to what kind of job you have where you can support yourself and possibly a family, working less than 30 hours/week. If you can't support yourself, then who should?
I've been part time for years. Same with my wife. We are extremely thrifty. I am Corporate American and GDP's worst enemy. A penny saved is a penny earned. Heck, this internet connection is free!
I saved and bought my current house in cash. I'm 35, no mortgage. Some people think cheap housing is terrible, I disagree. Always 2 sides to it. The Doomsday Crowd is missing a valuable piece of the picture here, and I've been saying that since 2009.
On support...I probably do qualify. I've Never looked into it. Won't hesitate to apply for it if I ever truly need it. I've paid into it most of my life.
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I'm sure there will be some cuts in order to comply and their will probably other employers that don't hire in order to keep staff under 50. Trade-offs will be OT for some workers, more hires to fill demand (for the over 50 workers/under 30hrs) although increased productivity will continue to be the goal.
Whatever the outcome is, businesses should make those decisions based on their own best interest, not to avoid government mandates or fines because they have too many FTE employees.
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Whatever the outcome is, businesses should make those decisions based on their own best interest, not to avoid government mandates or fines because they have too many FTE employees.
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I've been part time for years. Same with my wife. We are extremely thrifty. I am Corporate American and GDP's worst enemy. A penny saved is a penny earned. Heck, this internet connection is free!
I saved and bought my current house in cash. I'm 35, no mortgage. Some people think cheap housing is terrible, I disagree. Always 2 sides to it. The Doomsday Crowd is missing a valuable piece of the picture here, and I've been saying that since 2009.
On support...I probably do qualify. I've Never looked into it. Won't hesitate to apply for it if I ever truly need it. I've paid into it most of my life.
If that's the way you want to live, then that's fine ....... but most people want more than that. The problem is that many want more, but don't want to work any more than you do.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Most people want to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Most people want to be able to enjoy what they have earned.
Unfortunately, there are too many people in this world who want to enjoy what other people have earned.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I put in about 25-30 hours a week myself. Get paid for 40, though. 
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What scares me is the fact that most of America's wealth is in a 401k if working or an IRA if retired. You can bet your booty, the Obama team is trying to figure out how to get at that money next.
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What scares me is the fact that most of America's wealth is in a 401k if working or an IRA if retired. You can bet your booty, the Obama team is trying to figure out how to get at that money next.
This is a huge fear of mine, and not just Obama. For someone like me, social security probably be a dead horse by the time I retire and the thought of government now sticking their little grubby fingers into my 401k is a serious scary thought. There are just some entities the government has zero business even thinking about touching, this is one of them.
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The right wing media tells part of the truth... believing every word of it is just as dangerous as disregarding every word of it... the challenge becomes knowing which part to believe and to what extent.
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The right wing media tells part of the truth... believing every word of it is just as dangerous as disregarding every word of it... the challenge becomes knowing which part to believe and to what extent.
It is a shame we have to sort thru propaganda from any media source.
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What scares me is the fact that most of America's wealth is in a 401k if working or an IRA if retired. You can bet your booty, the Obama team is trying to figure out how to get at that money next.
This is a huge fear of mine, and not just Obama. For someone like me, social security probably be a dead horse by the time I retire and the thought of government now sticking their little grubby fingers into my 401k is a serious scary thought. There are just some entities the government has zero business even thinking about touching, this is one of them.
I don't think you have anything to fear about your 401K being taken by Obama. Maybe a free-market collapse, but not a Gov't conspiracy.
On Social Security, keep in mind its a generational problem with the Boomers. Young people aren't the problem, so it makes no sense to cut their benefits. The Boomers deserve their retirement and we will fund that. After that, the major hurdles are cleared. No need to kill our retirement after we fund their's. That shell game is purely political.
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I still firmly believe that part of the push behind raising the minimum wage is to increase contributions to the SS and Medicare funds. Those are the people whose wages are 100% taxable for both employer and employee contributions.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If that's the way you want to live, then that's fine ....... but most people want more than that. The problem is that many want more, but don't want to work any more than you do.
For sure. I worked full-time for a decade to set myself up. I'd take a full-time job if it was the right one, or if I had to. And I probably will some day.
we have to keep in mind that money isn't always a reflection of the amount of work you do. There are people with silver spoons, lottery winners, thieves, deadbeats.
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I don't believe social security was ever enacted to BE someone's retirement. It was to supplement it. To help. You know - you work, you save, you plan - and s.s. helps you - ss doesn't DO it. But sadly, partially due to the entitlement attitude in this country, people hit retirement age with few assets to rely on. There are other reasons, of course......but we have too many relying on s.s. - with little realization that they should've lived a little lower, and saved more when they were working.
I have a friend that just started a new job. He works with 2 gentlemen - ages 72, and 70. They still work their 40 hours a week, plus overtime. He asked them "why" The answer? "Because I can". The one guy even said "hey, I could be at home - but I'd be bored. I've made $18,000 this year already." (that was after 2 months of work). Now, it's a union shop, but he's worked there 50 years. I would guess between s.s. and his union pension the guy would be sitting pretty even without working.
We need an attitude adjustment in this country. It will come, no doubt.
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I still firmly believe that part of the push behind raising the minimum wage is to increase contributions to the SS and Medicare funds. Those are the people whose wages are 100% taxable for both employer and employee contributions.
Honestly, it is political. I'm sure plenty of Democrats have a big heart. But the Party Brass sees votes and they know the GOP mega donors oppose it. It puts the GOP in a tough spot.
But I agree that it would boost revenues for the programs.
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I agree with all of that archbold. Many will go on SS with no other plan. Others will have a great plan and lose it in a market crash, scam or just a terrible life event.
My father in law is one of those old guys that keeps working. Retired with a union pension, qualifies for Social Security. He was "retired" for about month before he realized he wanted to keep working. Now he works part time, probably minimum wage, just to stay busy.
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These people can't even put up a functioning website.
I think you're giving them too much credit. They can't see past their noses.
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Here's some more Obamacare change. No discounts for healthy people. My employer allows us to take a biometric screening each year and if the results are good, we get a discount on health insurance. Obama said no way. If discounts are provided, they must be given to everyone, healthy or not. So, the discount is now gone.
Obamacare is bad news for 90% of the country, Obama is too stupid to realize it.
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I wanted proper healthcare reform badly but Obamacare is a terrible and gimped peace offering to the Democrat base. We get to continue being behind the rest of the world for 20 years while Democrats pat themselves on the back and Republicans bully pulpit how terrible this reform is.
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What scares me is the fact that most of America's wealth is in a 401k if working or an IRA if retired. You can bet your booty, the Obama team is trying to figure out how to get at that money next.
This is a huge fear of mine, and not just Obama. For someone like me, social security probably be a dead horse by the time I retire and the thought of government now sticking their little grubby fingers into my 401k is a serious scary thought. There are just some entities the government has zero business even thinking about touching, this is one of them.
I heard there was going to be something similar with a govt 401k offering for people. can't imagine the catastrophe that will be.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29...ing-401-k-.html
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I'd much rather spend 40+ hours a week for the recognition and appreciation of my employers. 
Duh!!! Unless you work for yourself and really love what you do, most people work for money, so they can buy themselves comfort in life.
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It's also why the U.S. population is rated near the bottom when it comes to happiness.
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So big government and redistribution will make us much happier?
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No.
Edit: Well maybe, probably no. Just like unregulated capitalism could make you happier, the chances are very slim.
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So big government and redistribution will make us much happier?
your party is the main one pushing big government. remember that.
americans are overworked. period. the amount of work we do does not reflect in our pay, at all.
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So big government and redistribution will make us much happier?
your party is the main one pushing big government. remember that.
americans are overworked. period. the amount of work we do does not reflect in our pay, at all.
I must have had it all wrong when I was providing for my wife and 3 kids and working 60 hours but still having a wonderful family life and raising 3 kids that now have great careers and have given me 7 grandchildren. I must have been working way too many hours when I went from salesman to District Manager to Vice President of a large company. I probably choose to retire early and enjoy my grandkids because I worked so many hours. I will probably never use the large 401k I amassed by working so many hours because my pension is plenty for my wife and me and the kids. I guess you consider me overworked but I still get up at 5am just like the old days and plan my activity for the day. Too many hours? America is overworked? Someone has a serious problem with work ethic?
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As a VP, how would your company's business model hold up if there weren't any public roads?
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americans are overworked. period. the amount of work we do does not reflect in our pay, at all.
I must have had it all wrong when I was providing for my wife and 3 kids and working 60 hours but still having a wonderful family life and raising 3 kids that now have great careers and have given me 7 grandchildren. I must have been working way too many hours when I went from salesman to District Manager to Vice President of a large company. I probably choose to retire early and enjoy my grandkids because I worked so many hours. I will probably never use the large 401k I amassed by working so many hours because my pension is plenty for my wife and me and the kids. I guess you consider me overworked but I still get up at 5am just like the old days and plan my activity for the day. Too many hours? America is overworked? Someone has a serious problem with work ethic?
you know how many people can say the same story with less amount of hours worked in european countries? a lot.
you're trying to justify long work hours with work ethic, which is flawed in so many ways.
if you work 60 hours, and i work 40, and we get the same amount of work done, then who really wins?
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