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What my biggest concern is deals with his patience in the pocket and going through his progressions. Also his tendency to scramble when it isn't a "need". He also holds the ball away from his body when he scrambles.
I have seen no such concerns with Bridgewater. While he doesn't have a rocket arm, it's plenty strong enough. He does go through his progressions well and has an uncanny ability to feel pressure.
I believe what can be done is to look at what prospects do well that will be necessary requirements of an NFL QB. I believe Bridgewater fits that mold much better than Manziel.
I've simply looked at both their games and I don't even see it as being close between the two. But I don't feel badly towards people who see it differently than I do.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I get a feeling that most of us are holding our cards close to the vest on Johnny Football. Our worst fear is that we all are the smartest guy in the room, and we educate everybody on "pocket presence" "slim frame and taking hard shots" "gunslinger decision making" "loosely handling the ball" etc...
And then the guy ends up being a phenom for Jacksonville, Raiders, etc....
At that point some of us may consider jumping out the 10th story window.
EO is right. The guy is an incredible football player. Who doesn't want someone who trancends the game?
Who knows what the NFL team that gets him is going to get? Nobody.
Very high risk, very high potential reward.
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For the Browns I think it should be something like this:
1 - Bridgewater
2 - Clowney
3 - Trade down picking up multiple picks and target C.J. Mosley
4 - Khalil Mack (if no trade partners)
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We will find out a lot about Teddy's league wide value if he doesn't go first overall, because if he is as good as the majority on here thinks, then there should be some heavy bidding for him at #2, especially if the Rams are looking to trade down.
I get that, but just think back to Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. Heck, we can even throw Tom Brady in there. Why did so many teams pass on all three of those guys?
Size.
We passed on Rodgers for Leon. Jax took Matt Jones. Miami took Ronnie Brown. Detroit took Mike Williams. There were more stupid picks. Rodgers fell to #24.
Drew Brees lasted until the top of the 2nd round. We took Big Money. The Bears took David Terrell. The Rams took Damione Lewis. The list goes on.
We all know about Brady's story.
Why did all three fall? Two were a bit too short. The other was too skinny. Teams are sometimes just as dumb as the fans and the media types.
If Teddy falls, it doesn't mean squat other than that his lack of girth caused him to fall. We drafted Weeden. That was stupid. We traded up for TRich. That was stupid. We passed on guys like Brees, Brady, and Rodgers because they did not possess ideal size.
Let's hope the new FO isn't as stupid as our past leaders.
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Yeah, I need more than size as an excuse.
The only bad thing people had to say about Wilson 2 years ago was that he wasn't big enough... Didn't hear too much about his smarts, or his arm strength... I have to admit I got caught up in that too. I watched most of his games at UW... He had everything else.
That's what scares me about Johnny. If we pass on him or just don't do what we have to do to draft him, and he becomes another Wilson, then what? It's Groundhog Day.
I think Johnny comes with a few more ?'s than Wilson did, but I still think he has potential to be great.
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Great point about Wilson. Man, I am so mad at myself for never pimping him that year. I watched him at NC State and Wisconsin and always liked him. Stupidly, I dismissed him because of how short he was.
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While I like Wilson I wonder what kind of success he would have here. Wilson has a coach that made a system around his strengths and has the benefit of a great run game and a good OL. Something we don't have here. I think if we would have taken him he wouldn't have the same success. I could be wrong though.
IMO we need more of a playmaker at QB. I know you weren't saying we need a Wilson, just making the size comparison but I thought I would throw that out.
I do hate how scouts, media, fans place too much emphasis on measurables and not performance. Bridgewater and Boreland are good examples of guys that could drop because of their size.
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Does Wilson have the same success in Cleveland than he does Seattle? No way. We aren't Super Bowl champs with him...
He's good, but he's also part of a great team. If you ask me, I still think Cleveland would be happy with him though. I think he would have done enough to show us that he could be the guy. I don't think he's some result of a system or anything like that.
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Agree I don't think Wilson is a product of the system. Just that the coaching staff was able to tailor an offense around him. We have yet to see that here. Seems like we (and a lot of teams) want to change players to fit their system, not change the system to fit the players.
Wasn't trying to knock Wilson if that's how it came across.
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A QB's ability to be a franchise NFL QB isn't predicated on what school they went to or what conference they played in. It's about their ability, the system they play in and their supporting cast.
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Wilson just fits Seattle perfectly...
They have a strong run game, an elite level defense...
Their WR group is good but not legendary... They ask their QB to buy a little time, and maybe pick up a first down here or there with his feet... It's just a really perfect fit.
I don't know what we're going to ask of our guy, but with Gordon, Cameron around, we don't necessarily need a guy to buy extra time (although it would be nice)
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You always need a QB that can buy extra time.. whether he is a threat to run for 40 yards is less important but a guy has to be able to move out of the pocket and have the athleticism to extend plays. You can't count on the next Peyton Manning coming along...
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1) Watson
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1. Watkins
2. Bortles- I think he will make a good NFL QB but I think he'll need a 1-2 year learning curve.
3. Bridgewater
4. Trade ...want nothing to do with Clowney. We have a good, deep DL. Would rather trade the pick, drop down a few spots, and fill a couple needs instead.
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1. Teddy Bridgewater
2. Johnny Manziel
3. Sammy Watkins
4. Mike Evans
This is what I said two months ago.
Now my top 4 are: Johnny Manziel, Mike Evans, Khalil Mack, Sammy Watkins
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Watkins
Mack
Bridgewater
Robinson/Matthews ( the guy that fits best for the offense)
Watkins and Mack most likely carry a higher grade as pure players but I
would take Bridgewater in a heart beat.
Ideally I would like to get both Watkins and Bridgewater. That to me is very possible. Take Watkins at four and come back for Bridgewater say at 19.
The only guy I do not want at four is Manziel. In my mind he is not a first round talent. In addition I am not big on Carr.
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1. Manziel
2. Mack
3. Watkins
4. Bortles
This is assuming Clowney is not there, I see no chance in hell he goes past #3, the other guys I could all see being there at 4.
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1. Vontae Mack (no matter what)
2. Ray Jennings
3. Bo Callahan (think he's gonna be a bust)
4. Trade Brian Drew and top pick for Ryan Mallet
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1. Bortles 2. Mack 3. Clowney 4. Manziel 30. Ted Ginn, whoops I mean Percy Harvin, no it's Tavon Ausin, wait, what's his name? Oh yeah, Sammy Watkins 
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2. Ray Jennings
3. Bo Callahan (think he's gonna be a bust)
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I wouldn't have Watkins in my top 5.
Is he AJ Green good? No.
Is he Julio Jones good? No.
He'd be the third WR taken in that draft. He is like Santonio Holmes compared to those two guys.
My top 4 for this team would be:
1. Bridgewater
2. Manziel
3. Clowney
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1. Clowney - you simply don't pass on once in a generation talent at an impact position
2. Watkins-the best receiver of this talented class. He's a playmaking gamechanger.
3. Evans - Having this beast opposite Gordon makes me smile. He's a bigger Little with good hands.
4. Bortles (and hope that Hoyer can stay healthy all year) Many of the draft boards say that he has the best skillset and most upside. If we're hell bent on taking a qb at 4, I'd like him.
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Is he AJ Green good?
Potentially, yes. Possibly even better. (and, I admit that's saying a lot)
Is he Julio Jones good?
Yes, probably even better.
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Can't believe all the love for Bridgewater in the top 4... no upside and I don't think he's great to begin with. To enshrine my draft prowess...
1. Manziel
2. Watkins
3. Robinson
4. Mack
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I think that is ridiculous but that's my opinion. I think he is Santonio Holmes plus.
He is not in the class of those guys. What you're essentially saying is that he can be better than Josh Gordon. I cannot see that being true.
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I think there are two elite level players, one perenial pro-bowler, and a bunch of Occasional Pro-Bowlers in the top 10 or so picks.
1. Clowney(Elite)
2. Watkins(Elite)
3. Greg Robinson(Occasional Pro-bowler)(I think Mack is the 3rd best player, and will be a perenial pro-bowler, but he doesn't fill a hole, so I don't want to draft him at 4)
4. Mike Evans(Occasional Pro-bowler)
Honestly, I wouldn't be totally upset with Manziel. I have him as my 5th highest target(7th best player overall) in the draft behind the 4 listed above + Jake Matthews at 5. I really like Mack and Ebron, but I don't think either would be enough of an upgrade to justify using the #4 pick.
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I think that is ridiculous but that's my opinion. I think he is Santonio Holmes plus.
He is not in the class of those guys. What you're essentially saying is that he can be better than Josh Gordon. I cannot see that being true.
Wakins has all of the tools to be a top 5 WR... his only drawback is that he's 6'1" and not 6'4".. but he has the hands, the speed, the YAC ability, it's all there. If he's not a 1400 yards/season guy on a regular basis I'll be surprised.
I would also add that we don't know how good Josh Gordan can be.. he's only played 2 years and most of it with crappy to below crappy QB play.
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I think that is ridiculous but that's my opinion. I think he is Santonio Holmes plus.
He is not in the class of those guys. What you're essentially saying is that he can be better than Josh Gordon. I cannot see that being true.
Wakins has all of the tools to be a top 5 WR... his only drawback is that he's 6'1" and not 6'4".. but he has the hands, the speed, the YAC ability, it's all there. If he's not a 1400 yards/season guy on a regular basis I'll be surprised.
I would also add that we don't know how good Josh Gordan can be.. he's only played 2 years and most of it with crappy to below crappy QB play.
In a re-draft with Gordon, Green, Jones and Watkins.
Watkins is the last player called, no question. That's all I'm saying and it's just my estimation.
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Watkins is the last player called, no question. That's all I'm saying.
Still, the fact that we're talking about him in that group, and we have the opportunity to put two of those 4 guys on the same team -- It's a little intruiging.
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Watkins is the last player called, no question. That's all I'm saying.
Still, the fact that we're talking about him in that group, and we have the opportunity to put two of those 4 guys on the same team -- It's a little intruiging.
Don't argue with that, but we're trying to win a superbowl, not our Fantasy football league.
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Knowing what we know now? Absolutely.. but prior to any of them taking an NFL snap, Watkins goes ahead of Gordon and is mixed right in with Green, Jones, Fitzgerald and all of them go after Calvin Johnson...
Slice it and dice it however you want, 5 years from now when Green, Jones, Gordon, etc are discussed, Watkins will be in the conversation.. and I'll take that at 4.
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1. Clowney
2. Robinson
3. Mack
4. Matthews
The problem here is that none of those players fill any of our immediate needs. While taking the best player available is a great strategy in an ideal world, we are not living in an ideal world. We are deep at the position that Clowney and Mack play. And we have Joe Thomas at left tackle, meaning if we draft a left tackle we are immediately devaluing them by moving them to a less valuable position.
I think the most viable option is to trade down (unless our front office and coaching staff thinks one of the QBs is a franchise QB). By trading down we pick up more picks while moving to a spot where we can take a player who is more valuable to our franchise.
It would be great if we could trade down to the 9-12 range and pick up the top corner. We would then have ammunition to move around throughout the draft and pick up pretty much any player we want.
If forced to pick one of my top four players I would take Robinson. He has the most value to our team as he can probably play at a high level at both right tackle and/or right guard.
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Knowing what we know now? Absolutely.. but prior to any of them taking an NFL snap, Watkins goes ahead of Gordon and is mixed right in with Green, Jones, Fitzgerald and all of them go after Calvin Johnson...
Exactly. Not saying he's better than Gordon but he did more in college with less at QB. He times as well and is a couple inches shorter and has similar (though less) drug history.
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I wouldn't have Watkins in my top 5.
Is he AJ Green good? No.
Is he Julio Jones good? No.
I'd say fitzgerald or MegaTron are the top 5 type WR. But I agree with you, I'd prefer Green or Jones to Watkins.
I love speed, but I'd rather have a massive catch-radius. The guy that can win the jump ball, haul-in a wild throw or wrestle the ball away from a defender. In this draft, I'd take Evans over Watkins. But neither at #4.
A lot of people went nuts for Watkins after that OSU game. But the Buckeyes defense was terrible and banged-up. They matched a freshman against Watkins on some plays, with no help.
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1. Manziel
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I think the most viable option is to trade down (unless our front office and coaching staff thinks one of the QBs is a franchise QB). By trading down we pick up more picks while moving to a spot where we can take a player who is more valuable to our franchise.
My position since January
And, I was ripped for it.
"If we don't pick a quarterback now the sky will fall" No matter what we must pick a quarterback NOW!
Hey, I'm all for it -- if a quarterback who can potentially lead us to the Super Bowl is available.
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I made this a month ago and my top 4 now sits at:
1. Manziel
2. Bridgewater
3. Mack
4. Clowney
The more I think about Watkins, the more I want to pass. Someone put a graphic up somewhere (maybe on Twitter) that receivers drafted high that are under that 6'2"-6'3" mark have not fared well in the NFL. I love his talent. He runs like a halfback. He dishes out as much as he takes... I just think it's too risky at 4.
I can't sell myself on Bortles. I just can't do it. He has potential but I think taking him at 4 is just a bad idea. And to go along with my thinking, I would not take him at 26 either. Mostly because I think he needs to sit a year.
I don't want any tackles either. We have Joe Thomas, we signed Mack to big money, and I am not giving up on Schwartz just yet. I'd rather get a primo guard at 26.
I know we went OLB last year, and we signed Kruger to big money but if JFF and TB are gone, I'd have no problem taking him. It's a BPA pick and that's just fine. I think he's going to be really good. I've never questioned that, I just think we need a QB more than another OLB.
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IMO the deal with Sammy is he has loose hips, in addition to hands, speed, and baller attitude. Sammy has moves. He may be a little shorter, but his movement makes him very hard to cover and tackle.
He has looked good in every game I've seen him play. Not just the bowl game.
I'm not saying we should absolutely draft him with our #4. But, I have a feeling that if he has a quarterback that can get him the ball, he will be a very good, dynamic wide receiver.
Its his loose hips that allow me to put him right up there with AJ, Julio and Josh. I think he moves better. This allows for separation which I predict he will excel at. Julio is great -- going straight ahead.
We will see.
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Knowing what we know now? Absolutely.. but prior to any of them taking an NFL snap, Watkins goes ahead of Gordon and is mixed right in with Green, Jones, Fitzgerald and all of them go after Calvin Johnson...
Slice it and dice it however you want, 5 years from now when Green, Jones, Gordon, etc are discussed, Watkins will be in the conversation.. and I'll take that at 4.
I don't see him as being on par as those guys as a prospect before they were drafted. I just don't.
He's Reggie Wayne or Santonio Holmes. Good maybe even very good, but not game breaking elite. Been wrong before, so won't be a shock if I am again, but I don't see him being an elite player at the next level.
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