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btw I guess Lava man didn't start for us lol 
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Yeah, it's not shocking to us, but it's interesting just how long it went on before Haslam realized it.
Sadly, this doesn't sound any different than RL Jr. to be honest.
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Yeah, it's not shocking to us, but it's interesting just how long it went on before Haslam realized it.
Sadly, this doesn't sound any different than RL Jr. to be honest.
I do not believe for a second that Randy would have acted as quickly in fixing a mistake. I believe that Jimmy really wants a winner here and cares about the franchise more than Randy ever did. I never had a problem with Randy, but I do like Jimmy better.
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Keep in mind, Rappaport hasn't very accurate w/many of his reports lately.
I don't know if you remember this, but Mack was very clear that he did not want to discuss his contract until the year was over, therefore, I am a bit skeptical of Rapaport's report. I just can't forget how he said we weren't going to hire Shanny and that Ben wanted out of Pittsburgh.
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Not to defend Rappaport, but Banner and Lombardi were adamantly against Shanahan. They were probably feeding him the info that Shanahan wasn't coming here. But Pettine and Haslam were both interested in Shanny ... and since ... you know ... the coach should get to pick his assistants, maybe ... just maybe ... Haslam was figuring Mike Pettine should have a say.
Just another in a long line of nails in Banner and Lombardi's coffin.
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I don't know if you remember this, but Mack was very clear that he did not want to discuss his contract until the year was over, therefore, I am a bit skeptical of Rapaport's report. I just can't forget how he said we weren't going to hire Shanny and that Ben wanted out of Pittsburgh.
I also remember reading Mack wasn't interested in negotiating contracts during the season.
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How do you know that?
It's logical, but not easily proven.. Nobody is going to tell us that.
I got the sense after the blood letting yesterday that the relationship between Banner and Haslam soured during the HC Search. I say that probably because I'm reading between the lines of Haslams presser.. That's always dangerous.
I think that Haslam heard enough from outside the organization to warrant a closer look at Banner and Lombardi. Perhaps he just didn't like what he saw.
Supposedly, the league matched up Banner with Haslam and on paper, it may have looked pretty good.
IRL, sometimes things are what they appear to be on paper.
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As for Rubin, man, that would be a tough cut. He's in his prime and an above AVG to good and above all CONSISTENT player for years now. I'd hate to lose him and rather overpay him slightly. He's a DL, those guys demand huge dollars and he could come close to that on the market, so I don't think his agent would pick up the phone on a pay cut. I'd keep him. Hughes has proven to be a great rotational player, but we should not bet on him starting and maintaining this productivity. He wasn't even a starter in College. He always was a rotational DL and was drafted to be just that. Let's not repeat the Skrine-mistake here. Also, D.Bryant and his heart condition is another factor. You never know with that stuff, it IS a red flag, especially since it re-occured. I don't want to get caught with our pants down when it comes to the DL: we have good starters and depth. Keep it that way.
Hughes started for two years at Cinci. He was rotational the two before that. I don't know if you meant to or not but don't use false facts to further your opinion. It just isn't a good stance man.
I love Rubin but I think we include him in trade offers this year. With our young talent on the DL unless he takes a major cut in the future it just isn't going to be possible. Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant show too much promise to pay 3 starters 5 mil+ a year. Could be interesting if they deem Phil the odd man out though. I doubt that happens.
The balance of Bryant's condition and Rubins last year of contract will be something to watch. If he's healthy Rubin may be shipped. If he's an unknown we may keep Rubin long term. With Rubin only being an average athlete I'm not sure he has a long career when his legs age.
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I'm sure Hughes "technically" was a starter (as in being on the fiel the 1st snap), but I remember watching some games after we surprisingly drafted him and he played about half the snaps in those games and was on the sidelines a lot for a guy drafted in the 3rd round. That's what I meant with "rotational player". He never was a true 3 down player. That said, he still had a very productive SR season.
Wasn't meant as a knock on him. He has developed pretty good and I like him. I just think it'd be a mistake to get greedy and start him or increase his snaps significantly. Maybe up his snaps to around 50% (that'd already be 10-20% more) and keep Rubin....that's my point here.
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Awesome, about time. We've only been asking for it for 3+ yrs now. I might start coming by more often now.
Also I think some apologies are in order, esp from JulesDawg.
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Also I think some apologies are in order, esp from JulesDawg.
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I'm sure Hughes "technically" was a starter (as in being on the fiel the 1st snap), but I remember watching some games after we surprisingly drafted him and he played about half the snaps in those games and was on the sidelines a lot for a guy drafted in the 3rd round. That's what I meant with "rotational player". He never was a true 3 down player. That said, he still had a very productive SR season.
Wasn't meant as a knock on him. He has developed pretty good and I like him. I just think it'd be a mistake to get greedy and start him or increase his snaps significantly. Maybe up his snaps to around 50% (that'd already be 10-20% more) and keep Rubin....that's my point here.
Gotcha. No problem. A good point. The biggest thing is we really have a flux of talent at the position. I think Winn, Hughes and Bryant need more PT but we have quality already. I guess this is what good teams have always had to deal with.
But seriously while I love Rubin it is highly likely he is beginning his downswing. Compounded with his large contract with one year left. I think he has good value right now for a team with a lot of holes. I think, given that Desmond is fine, a combination of Hughes, Winn and Bryant as our 3rd DL and depth is not much if any of a step down. If I was confident Rubin would be back in 2015 it wouldn't be an issue. He'd have to take a massive pay cut. A pay cut unheard of and he's too good to do that to. Unless....a team fell in love with Hughes' production 
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I'm sure Hughes "technically" was a starter (as in being on the fiel the 1st snap), but I remember watching some games after we surprisingly drafted him and he played about half the snaps in those games and was on the sidelines a lot for a guy drafted in the 3rd round. That's what I meant with "rotational player". He never was a true 3 down player. That said, he still had a very productive SR season.
Wasn't meant as a knock on him. He has developed pretty good and I like him. I just think it'd be a mistake to get greedy and start him or increase his snaps significantly. Maybe up his snaps to around 50% (that'd already be 10-20% more) and keep Rubin....that's my point here.
Gotcha. No problem. A good point. The biggest thing is we really have a flux of talent at the position. I think Winn, Hughes and Bryant need more PT but we have quality already. I guess this is what good teams have always had to deal with.
and this is why I didn't want us to pick up Bryant.
Our talent level is disgusting on the D Line.
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Bryant was our best defensive lineman.
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I recommend clicking the link as there's a good chart that can't be copied in here....should be especially interesting for the Schwartz haters and Skrine/Gipson apologists
I like that. First time ever looking at it. Pretty neat.
Obviously they don't have FA's on there. Mack, Ward, Lavao.
It's funny how you and I say the exact same thing about our problem on defense is 3-fold, but we're crazy.LOL.
I don't care what anyone says. Our problems lie directly on the shoulders of;
1) Robertson
2) Skrine
3) Gipson
How sweet would it be to have our QB fall to 4 and snag Mosley at 26 to replace Robertson.
Sign Talib and Byrd.
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I like that. First time ever looking at it. Pretty neat.
Obviously they don't have FA's on there. Mack, Ward, Lavao.
It's funny how you and I say the exact same thing about our problem on defense is 3-fold, but we're crazy.LOL.
I don't care what anyone says. Our problems lie directly on the shoulders of;
1) Robertson
2) Skrine
3) Gipson
How sweet would it be to have our QB fall to 4 and snag Mosley at 26 to replace Robertson.
Sign Talib and Byrd.
That's TOP NOTCH Defense Dawgs.
Which team in the AFC North has a better CB2 than Skrine?
DQ and Robertson alternated as the glaring weakness on our D...when Patterson wasn't on the field. We got NOTHING out of our ILBs last year...zip.
I wouldn't have an issue with signing another CB to compete with Skrine and the loser going to the slot...it would make the secondary even better.
If it's up to me, I'm upgrading BOTH ILBs before even thinking about how to move Skrine to the slot.
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You say the most bizarre things.
I think he's trying to say that we had budding talent at the DL position so the Bryant signing was superfluous.
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Our d-line went downhill fast after Bryant went out.
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I think Bryant was by far our best DL until he left the game with his heart issue.
When he came back, he played like he was worried about himself....and way understandably so. I think if his mind is right, he'll be back to the early season Bryant next year.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Good luck with that.
Ha I guess you're right. Takes a pretty mature big man to admit when he's wrong. Stubborn insecure ones never will.
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Ha I guess you're right. Takes a pretty mature big man to admit when he's wrong. Stubborn insecure ones never will.
He says after never admitting he was wrong when intentionally, repeatedly posting things he knew wasn't permitted here.
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Ha I guess you're right. Takes a pretty mature big man to admit when he's wrong. Stubborn insecure ones never will.
He says after never admitting he was wrong when intentionally, repeatedly posting things he knew wasn't permitted here.
I never repeatedly posted twitter, but nice try. I was referencing how adamant he was about not allowing twitter, nor listening to the site and what they wanted. The arrogance/stubbornness associated with the site led to me stop posting, even though I've been around since 2006.
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Ha I guess you're right. Takes a pretty mature big man to admit when he's wrong. Stubborn insecure ones never will.
He says after never admitting he was wrong when intentionally, repeatedly posting things he knew wasn't permitted here.
I never repeatedly posted twitter, but nice try. I was referencing how adamant he was about not allowing twitter, nor listening to the site and what they wanted. The arrogance/stubbornness associated with the site led to me stop posting, even though I've been around since 2006.
LOL It's so funny, but it appears that I'm in the minority here. I still don't like twitter being allowed. Oh well, I guess I lost
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Plus I think by now, we all know who the vetted accounts vs some rando pretender throwing crap against the wall.
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So do a lot of rumors that turn out to be just that.
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So do a lot of rumors that turn out to be just that.
Do you have a recent example of this? Also isn't it interesting/create more discussion to talk about them?
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It was ridiculous not to allow twitter.
Problem has now been solved.
No one needs to apologize to anyone else.
Let's move on.
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No,, and I'm not going to look for one either.
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Maybe start a twitter thread?
As far a Mack goes. When a team drafts a center in the first round, isn't it a hope that he turns into a pro-bowler. Isn't that what someone would expect? Why would you not sign him long term. Let's hope he gives us the chance.
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jc Franchise tag window opens tomorrowPosted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2014, 8:38 PM EST Starting Monday, the two-week window opens for application of the franchise tag. The device, launched two decades ago with the commencement of true free agency, gives each team the ability to apply some restriction to one otherwise unrestricted free agent each year. Any player who receives the nonexclusive version of the tag may still negotiate with other teams. An offer sheet may be signed. The franchise player’s current team has seven days to match. If the current team doesn’t match, the contract becomes effective and the new team gives two first-round draft picks to the player’s former team. Before 2011, the nonexclusive franchise tag was determined by calculating the average cap number of the five highest-paid players at the same position in the prior year. The current labor deal determines the tender by calculating the average salary-cap percentage of the franchise tag in five prior years, a device that keeps the growth of the tag from outpacing the growth of the cap — and likewise from not fully reflecting any growth of the market for the position that surpasses the growth of the cap. In English (or close to it), this means that, for some positions, the franchise tag may not track the top of the market. As to quarterbacks, for example, the tag will remain in the mid-teens for the next few years, even as the top of the market pushes higher and higher above $20 million annually. Teams also may use the exclusive franchise tag, which prevents the player from talking to another team and from signing an offer sheet. This heightened restriction carries an additional cost; the player receives an amount equal to the five highest-paid players at the position in the current year, as of late April. The exclusive franchise tender typically is much higher than the non-exclusive tender. The franchise salary becomes guaranteed the moment the offer is accepted by the player. Until the player signs the tender, it may be withdrawn. Players often choose not to sign the franchise tender because, if not under contract, they can withhold services without consequences. On multiple occasions, a franchise player has shown up days before the start of the regular season, signed the franchise tender, and earned the full amount of the franchise salary. Still, some franchise players have the tender withdrawn, making them free agents well after the big money from other teams has stopped flowing. Even though the window opens Monday, it’s unlikely that teams will rush to use the tag. Most teams will use the period to attempt to negotiate a long-term contract, which will allow the franchise tag to be used on another player. Or not at all. Last weekend, we took a team-by-team look at the players who could be tagged. In 2012, a record 21 players were tagged. In 2013, the number plummeted to eight. The reduced tags became obvious once the free-agency market opened, and spending was much lower than expected. This year, tag use could hinge on the extent to which teams believe other teams will be poised to spend money to sign away their free agents. If a spending spree is anticipated, more tags will be used. The biggest name to watch over the next two weeks will be Saints tight end Jimmy Graham. He’s arguably the best player eligible for free agency, and Graham and the Saints seem destined for a fight over whether he should be tendered as a receiver, which would result in more than $4.5 million in additional salary for 2014 alone.
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We should tag Cundiff and call it tradition  I hope we don't need to tag either Mack or Ward...but especially Mack. If they are including LT salaries that is way too much to pay a center.
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I hope we don't need to tag either Mack or Ward...but especially Mack. If they are including LT salaries that is way too much to pay a center.
Who cares about the salary number? We aren't paying it. This team had $44 or so million in cap space. There is almost no way they spend $44 million in cap in one off-season. If Mack costs $11 million for one year, and they feel that they need to keep him, at least for one year, then do it. The dollars are almost immaterial. Plus, if they tag Mack this year, then do not do so last year, then we would have an extra $11 in cap space "protected" for next year.
One other thing ...... and I'm not sure when it all kicks in ...... but teams are required to reach a spending floor ...... and a signing like Mack can help them reach that floor more effectively than signing some marginal player.
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I'd be fine with this, but if/when Byrd doesn't come here we'll be in deep crap.
Apparently Alex Mack has been in Brazil for the past week working with a charity that Gary Barnidge and a Seattle Seahawk set up. So hopefully that's the reason we haven't been hearing news about him, but I doubt it. I don't think we can give him a contract that's so good that would make him not think about testing free agency. Ugh.
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If I were Alex Mack, I would get out.
Not sure what his plans are...I know he was very put off by the last FO...and roots set down get seep in the soil quickly...
...but if I were him, I'd go to a contender where it's warm, so long as the money's close enough.
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I have no idea why it has to be one or the other.....
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