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Cousins might be in play now.
Is that speculation 
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Correct me if I'm wrong ...... but when asked about Cousins, didn't Shanahan basically say that he was a nice backup?
I don't know where people got the idea that Shanahan is after us to make Cousins our starter. I have yet to see that anywhere. Maybe someone else has, and can post it for me, but all I have see is Shanahan calling him a decent backup.
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Correct me if I'm wrong ...... but when asked about Cousins, didn't Shanahan basically say that he was a nice backup?
I don't know where people got the idea that Shanahan is after us to make Cousins our starter. I have yet to see that anywhere. Maybe someone else has, and can post it for me, but all I have see is Shanahan calling him a decent backup.
Maybe that's what he's looking at.. I mean Cousins as a Back up to whoever here.
Why trade for him? I don't understand.
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Here it is ..... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/cleveland_browns_oc_kyle_shana_1.html"I think Kirk's a hell of a player,'' Shanahan told 92.3 The Fan Thursday in an interview after his introductory news conference. "That's one of the reasons we took him coming out of Michigan State. He did a good job there in college, and the times we needed him, he came in 1 1/2 games his rookie year, and he did a real good job and he got to play in the last three games this year, which it was good for him to get a little bit more experience. "He had some good moments, and he had some moments I think he'll learn from, but I think Kirk did a good job for us and really was a good backup player for us out there.'' ......... "You've got to be pretty good to be a backup in this league,'' he said. "So if you've made it as a backup in the NFL, all of those guys have a chance to be a starter. I don't think there's a backup quarterback in this league that doesn't have a chance.'' IMHO ...... he's a backup. I think that Shanahan is being nice to him ...... but saying that he's a backup. Shanahan knows that there is a world of difference between a top flight starter and a backup.
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Identifying the Best Trade Scenarios for Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins
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With Jay Gruden and the Washington Redskins making it a point to declare Robert Griffin III as their franchise quarterback, Kirk Cousins' time in Washington could be coming to a close
Add in ESPN's Adam Schefter reporting that Cousins is indeed open to a trade and the time to act would seem to be now.
Possessing a roster devoid of talent at a litany of positions, the Redskins could certainly use the young, inexpensive talent that Cousins could net in a trade.
In a league starved for quarterbacks, Washington wouldn't have to look too far to find suitors for a quarterback with Cousins' resume.
While his career QBR of 51.2 is the definition of average, it would place him among the NFL's top 20 active quarterbacks.
After using a fourth-round pick to select him in the 2012 draft, the Redskins shouldn't shop Cousins for anything less than multiple draft picks, with a second- or third-round pick included in such a package.
Going in with that mindset, here are four plausible trade scenarios for Cousins and the Redskins.
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Cousins to Cleveland Browns
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Cousins' relationship with Shanahan makes him an ideal fit for the Browns.
In terms of need, these are the Browns we're talking about here. Since the franchise's rebirth in 1999, it has run through 20 different starting quarterbacks.
While the Browns still have former first-round pick Brandon Weeden on their roster, the recent coaching change and his abysmal play should signal the end of his playing days in Cleveland—and in the NFL, for that matter.
Speaking of coaching change, new head coach Mike Pettine tabbed former Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan as his man to direct the offense.
It's his familiarity with Cousins that could make this trade happen.
If Pettine wants to make a quick splash—as he could be fired like his predecessor if he doesn't—Cousins presents the best of both worlds for the coach.
He's young enough to be the answer at the quarterback position for the long haul. At the same time, his experience in running Shanahan's offense makes him likelier to avoid the growing pains that, say, a Johnny Manziel would undergo.
Even with that said, there does remain a hiccup in this scenario. Ohio.com's Nate Ulrich reports that the Browns are infatuated with Manziel, which could make all these factors moot.
However, with Cleveland owning the fourth overall pick in the draft, it's possible that Manziel doesn't make it past the quarterback-starved Houston Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars.
Because of this uncertainty, it'd be hard to fathom any Cousins deal taking place prior to draft day.
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I'm not sure I'd give a 5th. Purely because, while I think he has talent, he has had extensive injury risk since joining the league. I suppose if we didn't land a FA RB to committee with a rook I would give up a 5th. Basically if we don't get Toby Gerhart then yes but not more than a 5th. Nothing more, preferably less. 
Exactly why I chose a 5th. A 6th or 7th and I make the deal. Anything higher than a 5th and I don't. But a 5th, I don't know. And that is what I would want if I were Washington.
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Exactly why I chose a 5th. A 6th or 7th and I make the deal. Anything higher than a 5th and I don't. But a 5th, I don't know. And that is what I would want if I were Washington.
Yeah. A 6th or 7th and I'd make the deal. I'm not sure I could truly make up my mind on the matter until after the FA period has past. Consider also he is a FA after this season. If he becomes a FA Washington, who is desperate for picks, will get nothing in return.
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The Washington Redskins want a second-round pick in the NFL draft if they are going to trade backup quarterback Kirk Cousins, according to a person familiar with the team’s planning.
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I really didn't want Cousins before. Now I really, really, really don't want Cousins.
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well, just a month ago they were rumored to want a 1st round pick for him. so, apparently losing Kyle has put Kirk on the discount bin  asking for a 2nd round pick is the same as telling teams they aren't trading him IMO.
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asking for a 2nd round pick is the same as telling teams they aren't trading him IMO.
That was my thinking as well.
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I really didn't want Cousins before. Now I really, really, really don't want Cousins.
This sums up my thoughts too... thanks, but no thanks.
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I don't want Kirk Cousins because what he is is another version of what we already have Brian Hoyer.
What we do not have is a potential long term franchise QB. That is why we have to get Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles.
They may bust but guess what so could any player we pick at #4. If they don't bust they will make the Browns a yearly threat to make the playoffs.
That is what this team does not have and what this team must have.
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The Washington Redskins want a second-round pick in the NFL draft if they are going to trade backup quarterback Kirk Cousins, according to a person familiar with the team’s planning.
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I really didn't want Cousins before. Now I really, really, really don't want Cousins.
All I can really say to the Redskins is: How does if feel to want?
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No one knows Cousins better than Kyle Shanahan and if I'm Farmer, I'm going to take Shanahan's recommendations into consideration.
The only QB returning for the Browns is more than likely going to be Hoyer, who is coming off of knee surgery. Hoyer's ability to stay healthy should be a concern for our GM and Cousins would be a sound backup, at the least.
I would not give up our 2nd round pick this year for Cousins...the #35 pick. That is too close to being a late 1st round pick.
Cousins for a second round pick is just another option for Farmer to consider...
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No one knows Cousins better than Kyle Shanahan and if I'm Farmer, I'm going to take Shanahan's recommendations into consideration.
The only QB returning for the Browns is more than likely going to be Hoyer, who is coming off of knee surgery. Hoyer's ability to stay healthy should be a concern for our GM and Cousins would be a sound backup, at the least.
I would not give up our 2nd round pick this year for Cousins...the #35 pick. That is too close to being a late 1st round pick.
Cousins for a second round pick is just another option for Farmer to consider...
Well, it's what Washington wants. Whether they'll get it or not is a totally different discussion. I wouldn't say that he's better or worse than most of the QBs coming out in this draft. Just the same, I wouldn't give much for him. We could get a QB that is younger and under contract for longer than him. If we offered them a 5th or 6th rounder, they would probably take it.
It was Kyle's father that shut down RG3 and gave Cousins his shot late last season with the final three games. I can't say that he did himself any particular favors.
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Mac...you are not considering the Top 4 maybe Top 2 QB we will draft being in the mix. Making Cousins totally not necessary. Even if they settle for a 3rd round pick...honestly I would prefer using that 3rd rounder on another QB rather than Cousins. Not saying that is what I would do...I guess what I'm saying is Cousins will be our #3 QB. I'd rather have the 3rd round player QB or not. Overall #35...Forgetdaboutit! 
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I tend to agree EO. I think the only way we might need Cousins is if we decide to pass on QB early on and select a QB later in the draft. Then we might want some experience behind Hoyer since Campbell and Weeden are probably done in Cleveland. JMO but Hoyer and Cousins seem like the same player.
I don't think there are any real concerns about Hoyer being ready. It's not like we have to wait and see if he still has 4.4 speed or if he can make sharp cuts. If we draft the next hotshot QB, then Hoyer becomes the experienced back-up when the new guy takes over....be it out of the gate or somewhere down the road.
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Trading for Cousins now would make ZERO sense, we would essentially be tipping our draft hand. No way we are taking a top 5 QB after trading for anyone, even if it was for a 4th round pick.
With that said, he is not better than Hoyer.
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From a football standpoint,
What is the difference between Cousins and Dalton?
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Mac...you are not considering the Top 4 maybe Top 2 QB we will draft being in the mix. Making Cousins totally not necessary. Even if they settle for a 3rd round pick...honestly I would prefer using that 3rd rounder on another QB rather than Cousins. Not saying that is what I would do...I guess what I'm saying is Cousins will be our #3 QB. I'd rather have the 3rd round player QB or not. Overall #35...Forgetdaboutit!
eo...as I noted in my post...there is a Shanahan factor that cannot be ignored when talking about Cousins.
Those who worked with Cousins every day might have a different opinion of his potential than the average Browns fan.
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What is the difference between Cousins and Dalton?
Lack of tape on Cousins. Dalton has had much, much better weapons. Similar from a physical standpoint, Dalton is a little thicker.
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Would you say that they both lack the arm strength to pull a team through the playoffs?
I think Cousins has a little better footwork and a quicker release. He actually may be better.
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Mac...you are not considering the Top 4 maybe Top 2 QB we will draft being in the mix. Making Cousins totally not necessary. Even if they settle for a 3rd round pick...honestly I would prefer using that 3rd rounder on another QB rather than Cousins. Not saying that is what I would do...I guess what I'm saying is Cousins will be our #3 QB. I'd rather have the 3rd round player QB or not. Overall #35...Forgetdaboutit!
eo...as I noted in my post...there is a Shanahan factor that cannot be ignored when talking about Cousins.
Those who worked with Cousins every day might have a different opinion of his potential than the average Browns fan.
I don't disagree with that. He would have a great deal of input on the guy if we were thinking of signing him. I just don't know that he is going to have all that much input on how we shape our roster, at least this year, or if we are really interested.
If we plan on drafting a QB early, I doubt we go after Cousins
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Trading for Cousins now would make ZERO sense, we would essentially be tipping our draft hand. No way we are taking a top 5 QB after trading for anyone, even if it was for a 4th round pick.
With that said, he is not better than Hoyer.
Unless it is a ploy to create a smokescreen. We show interest and let rumors spread that we are very interested in Cousins. Other teams think that we are not interested in drafted a Qb high so they don't trade up to #2 to jump us. Thus increasing the chances that one of the big 3 fall to us 
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haha, I don't see Farmer being the kind of guy to outright allow lies to be perpetuated. I think he won't deny interest, but to leak that we are "very" interested doesn't seem to be (from what I've read and heard) Farmers MO.
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Redskins have no plans nor interest in trading QB Kirk Cousins, per league sources. He's not going anywhere.
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They got no nibbles for the second rounder that they wanted for him. That was the minimum that they set for themselves to get and nobody bit. Nobody.
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They got no nibbles for the second rounder that they wanted for him. That was the minimum that they set for themselves to get and nobody bit. Nobody.
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I'm guessing they'll take a 3rd for him by March and a 4th by April.
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I'm guessing they'll take a 3rd for him by March and a 4th by April.
And by the time the draft comes, they'll be settling for a 5th rounder or even a 6th rounder if the draft is underway.
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...I guess what I'm saying is Cousins will be our #3 QB.
I've said it before. the only QB I think we'll keep is hoyer and I just don't see the rook beating out either one of these guys. we would have no reason to start the rook whatsoever. cousins already knows the playbook and that alone should make him at least the #2.
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#2...Of course I think its closer than ever as a simple NO THIS AIN'T HAPPENING.
But yeah I could see the #2 thingy then again if Gosh forbid Hoyer gets hurt I would bet my best pair of underwear that the #3 QB and Top 5 pick would leapfrog Cousins as the starter.
But really as it looks - Shanahan doesn't seem as interested in Cousins as some Bozos who wish they would have the story.
Also with complete freedom I think Shanahan will have a NEW PLAYBOOK with a lot of his roots in there but also some new stuff.
Manziel and Bridgewater seem to be two bright young men regarding learning football. They will pick up the playbook pretty fast - its the execution that makes it difficult.
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makes sense.
I don't know or really care if we bring in cousins or not. I just feel that whoever we bring in can at least become the #2. because I believe the longer the rook can stay on the bench the better he will be when he finally does get his shot.
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the longer the rook can stay on the bench the better Agree with that 100%...I just hope Hoyer will be enough to resemble that QB
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there are 3 QBs on the roster better than Cousins .
maybe even 4
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maybe but i really don't believe two of them will be here next year. and cousins already knows the playbook.
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if we have multiple people here better than Cousins, then we shouldn't be replacing them with him.
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one would think........... but we aren't the ones stocking the cupboards.
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Well, maybe we should be.
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