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They had a plan man....they worked the plan. They interviewed people until they found their guy. They did.....what's the problem?
I think your trust is bordering naivety and the story you're believing in is a swiss cheese, but I hope you're right regardless...
Far from naive. Once candidates came forward, this is the guy I wanted. He is perfect.
I didn't have him eyeballed the day Chud was dumped. I did what the team did, looked at them as they came forward. The team also said it could take this long....even after the SB, so they did have a plan.
Name me one candidate we offered who turned us down.
It's not my fault you and others fell in to the McDaniel, Quinn etc hype as to who were the supposed front runners.
If we had a front runner, I'd say it was Malzon, but we got the guy we wanted. This isn't our 5th choice. He was the guy we offered the job.....he took it.
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but history does not favor him.
So the previous failures make it less likely for Pettine to be successful? I don't buy that at all. Romeo Crennel lack of success will also make Pettine unsuccessful? I understand you are a battered fan, but that makes no sense.
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Go on the mainsite or on 92.3 or WKNR ..WTAM probably has it too.
Main site didn't have it a moment ago, but it will at some point I'm sure.
Lombardi is keeping it from being posted, since Pettine was not his choice.
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More sour grapes and untrue statements from DJ.
It looks to me that they did have a plan. Haslam said that they would interview a lot of candidates and be very thorough. He said they would take their time and hire the best guy for the team. It certainly appears that is what they did.
Can you imagine the uproar if they would have hired a guy w/in two days after firing Chud?
It would have looked like they actually had someone targeted, and went out and got them.
Instead? They waited until after their choice of Gase refused to interview and moved quickly after they didn't get "yet another guy" they wanted.
There were THREE candidates that refused to even interview that we know of. I've NEVER even heard of that before!
Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't help no matter how thick you cake it on.
Yep, they targeted and landed the guy they really wanted. Nobody in the league has a better track record that could be found.
At least some of you could do is use the purple font. Because the fan excuse machine is surely sarcasm.
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I agree. Romeo sucked as a head coach never having had head coaching experience , and sucked after he gained said experience.
Bill Cower never had head coaching experience before he showed he was a pretty good head coach.
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Even if Pettine wasn't their first choice (I don't think he was), that is not a reason to bash the front office. There are plenty of other valid reasons to bash them.
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We'll see Pit...you think the guy is garbage, I think this guy has what it takes. He was the choice I'd make once I saw what he has done.
And yes, calling him a lesser choice is downgrading him.
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They had a plan man....they worked the plan. They interviewed people until they found their guy. They did.....what's the problem?
I think your trust is bordering naivety and the story you're believing in is a swiss cheese, but I hope you're right regardless...
Name me one candidate we offered who turned us down.
It's not my fault you and others fell in to the McDaniel, Quinn etc hype as to who were the supposed front runners.
If we had a front runner, I'd say it was Malzon, but we got the guy we wanted. This isn't our 5th choice. He was the guy we offered the job.....he took it.
This "we offered" is another myth. It's purely semantics. You only "offer" when you're sure the answer will be yes. Would you ask a woman to marry you when the vibes.from her are wishy washy at best, even though you really, really like her and you'd like to marry her? No, because you'd look like an idiot with unrealistic expectations.
ANY team ALWAYS offers the job only once in their search. It's pure rhetoric.
And again, I dont mind Pettine or which number he was. I think this search was a farce from the day they fired Chud, that's not on Pettine, it's on the FO/Haslam. I opened a thread for what I'd like to see them do to make up for it and evaluate accordingly going forward unlike some well known agenda flip,floppers on here 
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Wait...Were we given specific reasons why guys declined interviews or withdrew their names?
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More sour grapes and untrue statements from DJ.
It looks to me that they did have a plan. Haslam said that they would interview a lot of candidates and be very thorough. He said they would take their time and hire the best guy for the team. It certainly appears that is what they did.
Can you imagine the uproar if they would have hired a guy w/in two days after firing Chud?
It would have looked like they actually had someone targeted, and went out and got them.
Instead? They waited until after their choice of Gase refused to interview and moved quickly after they didn't get "yet another guy" they wanted.
There were THREE candidates that refused to even interview that we know of. I've NEVER even heard of that before!
Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't help no matter how thick you cake it on.
Yep, they targeted and landed the guy they really wanted. Nobody in the league has a better track record that could be found.
At least some of you could do is use the purple font. Because the fan excuse machine is surely sarcasm.
You are correct I don't think he was the targeted... but if the number one on your list leaves you thinking we can do better then you keep looking, or do you settle?
We have settled too often... I like that they kept looking, and didn't take the easy way out.. I didn't want JM nor did I want Gase...is this guy the one...meh who the hell knows... I do know they looked under a lot of rocks.
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Yes. But does that matter? There are many coaches who have had great success and were never a head coach at any level.
It does matter. The Browns are a poor place for a 1st time HC. A smooth running organization can take on a 1st time HC and it be ok - Steelers come to mind. The front office is stable and has a process. The Ravens have been a model of front office stability. They could move from Billick to Harbaugh and it transition well.
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So the previous failures make it less likely for Pettine to be successful? I don't buy that at all. Romeo Crennel lack of success will also make Pettine unsuccessful? I understand you are a battered fan, but that makes no sense.
You are correct, Crennel is not connected to Pettine. I think Chud is connected to Pettine. The new front office came and... rightly so... decided to clean house of Shumur. They wanted "their guy" as HC. After an exhaustive search, their 'first choice' was hired. Chud, a first time NFL HC came on board. He wanted to be here. He was going to change the culture.
Less than 12 months later, the FO has done a complete (instability) about-face, fired Chud and started over. The FO conducts another search. THIS TIME they got it right?
I understand the desire to hope this hire works. I hope it works. To perform the mental gymnastics necessary to think Pettine has a better than 50% chance of being successful is certifiable.
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We'll see Pit...you think the guy is garbage, I think this guy has what it takes. He was the choice I'd make once I saw what he has done.
And yes, calling him a lesser choice is downgrading him.
I have no idea what kinda HC he'll be, he is a pretty good DC however. So the next logical step for him is HC.
Here's what I DON'T want to happen. I do not want them to NOT support him with good players, then fire him when he doesn't succeed in the first year. I don't want to ever see that again.
Once was more than enough for me.
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There is a bad perception about the FO from fellow teams , that were commented on this week at the Senior Bowl.
That said I am aware of this..after they were looking at McDaniels, Haslem got some advice out side Berea (just as I told BigWillie) and then there were aton of names that surfaced..that was no accident.
U may or may not hear how this was coming about but some of the guys turning down the interviews wanted to stay put .
I don't feel Pettine was their first choice but I feel as the process went further they liked what they saw.
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Here's what I DON'T want to happen. I do not want them to NOT support him with good players, then fire him when he doesn't succeed in the first year. I don't want to ever see that again.
Once was more than enough for me.
I think 99% of this board would agree with this...QFT
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There is a bad perception about the FO from fellow teams , that were commented on this week at the Senior Bowl.
That said I am aware of this..after they were looking at McDaniels, Haslem got some advice out side Berea (just as I told BigWillie) and then there were aton of names that surfaced..that was no accident.
U may or may not hear how this was coming about but some of the guys turning down the interviews wanted to stay put .
I don't feel Pettine was their first choice but I feel as the process went further they liked what they saw.
who ever gave him that advice.. I liked to thank them... no JM...
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It does matter. The Browns are a poor place for a 1st time HC. A smooth running organization can take on a 1st time HC and it be ok - Steelers come to mind. The front office is stable and has a process. The Ravens have been a model of front office stability. They could move from Billick to Harbaugh and it transition well.
Teams like the Raiders and Browns lack the stability to properly support a first time HC.
Teams like the Jets (not stable), Chargers (not stable), Saints (not stable), and Bengals (not stable) have all had some good success with first time head coaches (Ryan, McCoy, Payton, and Lewis).
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You are wrong....I wasn't sure if my wife was going to say yes when I asked her.
Go for it if you think it's worth keeping.
Would you only apply for a job if you were certain they would give you the job, yet limit others because they might say no? I say you are limiting your possibilities if that is your philosophy...
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I doubt you recall this... when I first joined the board (the original board), Tim Couch was the QB. There was reason for optimism... especially after Butch Davis's first season. I could be jovial - happy because the future looked bright.
I joined after Butch's second season? Right after we got to the playoffs, right before we drafted Kellen Winslow Jr.
Man, things have gone downhill (team-wise) since, lol.
You're right though, every single QB we've drafted was gonna be the one. First Holcomb shows his true colors and Couch has a shoulder injury? Then we bring in Jeff Garcia, try and fit him into a non-WC offense. Na, that didn't work. Let's develop a QB with Charlie Frye at the helm, Trent Dilfer can mentor.... That didn't work, Brady Quinn falls in the first, perfect time to pick him up (whoops), but it's okay Derek Anderson can do it with our offensive weapons......... Then comes Colt McCoy, game manager, most NFL Ready QB of the bunch, whoops. Brandon Weeden, he's mature and has a rocket of an arm (darn).
And now we have our hopes rested on Hoyer or whoever the next college QB could be....... Just so depressing. In that time we've gone through countless O Coordinators and 5 head coaches? Butch, RAC, Mangini, Shurmur, Chud.
And everything rests on Mike Pettine?
I don't know anything about him, except he has roots with Rex Ryan (which I love, nobody has made more out of the garbage talent on his team than Rex) and Buffalo's defense this year was pretty good.
But jesus, Chris Tabor again? That guy needs to go. He's the one guy I wanted to fire. And instead everyone else goes. I feel like they just keep him along for continuity over and over, may be he's a nice guy....... But he sure is no Brad Seely. And being nice doesn't really matter if you can't produce. One thing I learned on tugboats is when the first thing someone says about the cook is that "they're a nice guy", that means they aint good at cookin. Who knows though, may be it's the personnel
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guys, the guy is our coach. we can argue all we want about how it happened, but it isn't gonna change the fact that he is now our new HC.
so lets talk about his defenses and how it will translate to our team possibly.
for instance, i liked his front 7 in buffalo.
however, his defensives points per game is a big concern for me.
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Ditto....thanks.....going there now.
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It does matter. The Browns are a poor place for a 1st time HC. A smooth running organization can take on a 1st time HC and it be ok - Steelers come to mind. The front office is stable and has a process. The Ravens have been a model of front office stability. They could move from Billick to Harbaugh and it transition well.
Merth, before you get to carried away with the Steelers organization, you may want to review the state of the Steelers prior to hiring Chuck Noll. It is a carbon copy what Browns look today.
Anyone can sit here and cannibalize the hire. It is pretty easy. Your probability of being right is 50%. I love seeing how some of the Negative Neds spin it later if Pettine and the FO are able to turn this around. Literally they have a possibility getting one or two players and be contenders. Then again, they get 20 players and fall flat.
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Coach Pettine on Hard Knocks Thought you guys may enjoy this.
"The Browns are a club contenders probably don't want to face right now. Their physicality cannot be questioned."
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Why? I feel like he struggled his first year but has been pretty good the past two years.
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But jesus, Chris Tabor again? That guy needs to go.
Why? I feel like he struggled his first year but has been pretty good the past two years.
Could be a matter of convenience also. A piece that's adequate for now and could improve.
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Congrats coach, welcome aboard.
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But jesus, Chris Tabor again? That guy needs to go.
Why? I feel like he struggled his first year but has been pretty good the past two years.
May be I am nostalgic for the Eric Mangini special teams era, but I just have never been impressed with our coverages since he came on.
I think it was the second Bengals game this year where I swore the man off for good. I wanted him fired that afternoon...... And I wanted everyone on special teams to find their own ride home, Mangini style. Yeah, two blocked punts and terrible coverages. Special teams absolutely wasn't ready, and I was furious.
Now the offense sucked too, but we got spanked
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Gotta love that!
I'll bet on myself.....I like it.
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Just clicking on you Peen because you were the one ringing the Pettine bell when his name came up,, I just finished listening to his introductory presser,, I have to say, I'm duly impressed with the man. No Nonsense, hold the players accountable, knows that there is NOTHING he can say to sooth the wounds of the fans, Knows that the only way to win the fans over is to win games. All in all, I think I like him as a person. We'll see what happens as a HC. But, at this moment, I'm at least impressed with the man. Now, if the people that run the FO will support him, maybe, just maybe we have a winner. 
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You can tell he wasn't real comfortable w/the media. He even admitted it. But, I like the guy. I think he is tough. I think a big thing is going to be holding players accountable. He's going to grade them on every play, even in practice.
I loved what he said about toughness, especially the mental toughness aspect. I think our image will improve under this guy.
I do have a concern about the offense. Not sure I want him dabbling into that too much.
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im wondering if we do let Ward walk, whats the chances of us landing Byrd? who i feel is a better S than Ward.
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They play different positions. There is room for both.
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Why can't he take gibsons spot?
Man... Let's get rid of our pro bowl safety.
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It really sounded like I took this job cause i was desperate for a hc job and they hired him cause no one else wanted the job. Hope i am wrong but for all the excitement of hiring a new coach, that presser was about as comfortable as protruding hemorrhoids.
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It really sounded like I took this job cause i was desperate for a hc job and they hired him cause no one else wanted the job. Hope i am wrong but for all the excitement of hiring a new coach, that presser was about as comfortable as protruding hemorrhoids.
Daughters dont like the colors hell with them, they can go route for Buffalo lol
Are you Pettine? 
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