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well, at least you're still an optimist


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i guess from past experiences, i'd rather set my expectations cellar-low and then be pleasantly surprised when(?) we beat one of these guys. . .

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I hear ya... my expectations for that stretch are only off by one game, so it's not like I'm super optimist either. I feel we have a very realistic liklihood of coming out of that stretch at 2-2 at the worst, 3-1 at best.

Pitt is undergoing a LOT of changes, I think we'll take them.
Cinci, I think will be too much for us still (though minus Henry, who knows? ...without CB help for us though it probably doesn't matter)
Oakland - penciling in a 'W' there.
Balt. - the wildcard... coming off a good season, but an old team is a year older


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Squeelers have a nice stretch tooo and we get 'em after a Monday nite
Oct. 21 -- at Denver, 8:15 p.m.

Oct. 28 -- at Cincinnati, 1 p.m.

Nov. 5 -- Baltimore, 8:30 p.m. (75th anniversary night)

Nov. 11 -- Cleveland, 1 p.m.

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The flip side of that is if we can manage something decent, the second half of the season offer a chance to make a push for the playoffs.




True enough, Peen.

I really haven't set my expectations for the season yet, but would have felt a little more comfortable with a more balanced schedule - or at least one that would have allowed us to gain some confidence early on. Not that we can't gain that confidence by beating good teams - but the odds are still against us at this point. Mistakes are weighed more heavily against better opponents.

We're just still making too many changes. There will be a learning process those first few games. Not that you can't still win those, but its harder when you're in transition on so many levels.

On the flip side, the teams we'll face might be more vulnerable to being caught off guard by things they've never seen us do?

Hey - I'm reaching for a positive here.

We've known the teams we'd face for quite a while, but I'm honestly not sure it would be possible to build a suckier schedule with those teams. That's about as front loaded as they come. (4 of your first 5 games against 3 teams that beat you twice last year and a perenial super bowl contender).

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Looks like Sept is a big month.

We will know by Oct if we have a shot or are buried.




Looks like we could know Crennel's fate by 10/1, worst case the Bye week.




Ya, if we're dumb enough not to account for strength of schedule.


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Looks like Sept is a big month.

We will know by Oct if we have a shot or are buried.




That should give us a pretty good indication shouldn't it...Gonna be interesting for sure!


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Wow... that is one killer first half. Talk about punching us in the gut right out of the gate.

No night game at all either.


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i knew this schedule was going to be a tough one.. order of games really matters...


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with this schedule... we are gonna need JT in the first and DL in the 2nd and 3rd...


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yea... the Browns are gonna have to play their hearts out the entire season... but most importantly.. the beginning of the season... 3 HOME DIVISION HOME GAMES in the first 4 weeks. WOW!!!


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Mid November is rough here.. Nov 11th @ Pittspuke, then the following Saturday is OSU vs michigan @ Ann Arbor and the next day is @ Baltiwhore.. then Thanksgiving.. whew.. busy coupla weeks.

But no doubt, we have a tough road right out of the gate.


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My super duper early predictions...

Sep 9 Pittsburgh 1:00pm W we get all pumped up out of the gate and shut them down when the team is still getting comfortable with the new coaches
Sep 16 Cincinnati 1:00pm L we loose a close one at home
Sep 23 @Oakland 4:05pm W Oakland is a mess we pull out the W
Sep 30 Baltimore 1:00pm L thier D is only getting better and better... our O has a better chance at some points but blows it b/c we can't convert 3rd downs.
Oct 7 @New England 1:00pm L ha ha yeah right.... it'll probably be snowing in NE their win% is amazing at home when it snows.
Oct 14 Miami 1:00pm L miami is on the up and up they should gel this season and make the playoffs
Week 7 BYE
Oct 28 @St. Louis 1:00pm W St Louis has a lot of holes to fill and thier team really isn't getting any younger.
Nov 4 Seattle 4:05pm L I can't see us traveling to the WC and pulling a W out on their home field.
Nov 11 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm L payback for the W on opening day... Pitt starts to gel as a team...
Nov 18 @Baltimore 1:00pm L I can't see us beating them this year... if Mcnair stays healthy...
Nov 25 Houston 1:00pm W Super Mario gets pancaked all day Lewis runs well and we ride on his shoulders to a W
Dec 2 @Arizona 4:05pm W AZ could turn things around in the desert but I'm gonna play the odds against them.
Dec 9 @N.Y. Jets 4:15pm L Pennington and co really played well at the end of last season... look for more good things to come from them.
Dec 16 Buffalo 1:00pm W Buffalo is in shambles... they are loosing their core players to FA... it's another rebuilidng year for them.
Dec 23 @Cincinnati 1:00pm L Henry comes back and even though Bodden shuts down Ocho cinco all game... Palmer comes up big and Cincy pulls out a W
Dec 30 San Francisco 1:00pm 50-50 here.. SF is Fighting for a playoff spot in a weak divison... SF turns it up and shuts down the Browns... or we play the spoiler and come out with the W and knock SF out of the playoff race


I'm stuck between 6-10 and 7-9


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Heres my predictions

Sep 9 Pittsburgh 1:00pm W
Sep 16 Cincinnati 1:00pm L
Sep 23 @Oakland 4:05pm W
Sep 30 Baltimore 1:00pm L
Oct 7 @New England 1:00pm L
Oct 14 Miami 1:00pm W
Week 7 BYE
Oct 28 @St. Louis 1:00pm W
Nov 4 Seattle 4:05pm L
Nov 11 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm L
Nov 18 @Baltimore 1:00pm L
Nov 25 Houston 1:00pm W
Dec 2 @Arizona 4:05pm W
Dec 9 @N.Y. Jets 4:15pm W
Dec 16 Buffalo 1:00pm W
Dec 23 @Cincinnati 1:00pm L
Dec 30 San Francisco 1:00pm W

9-7 miss playoffs

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we almost beat the Ravens last year.. should have beat them.. along with the Steelers...

Just have to play 4 Quarters!!!

the key to this season is the division wins... 3-3 isnt bad... but 4-2/5-1 would be excellent. Its not realistic seeing our record last year, but u never know. They could pull a cinderella story for sure.


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Nov 4 Seattle 4:05pm L I can't see us traveling to the WC and pulling a W out on their home field.




You won't have to... the game's in Cleveland.

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I'm stuck between 6-10 and 7-9




7-9 or 8-8 would be a very good year given this schedule, IMO.


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Wow, your incredible,, you don't know who our starting QB is gonna be for sure, you don't know who our starting Oline or Dline is gonna be, you don't know yet if we will have winslow and you have no idea as to who we are gonna add in the draft or as UDFA... yet you can predict our wins and losses..

I want that Crystal ball of yours,, and I want it now,,,,


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Wow your about as optimistic as the people at a morgue. I actually am hoping for the best. Fine if you want me to be serious I say we go 5-11 against chump teams. Crennel gets fired and another year down the drain. Still want that crystal ball?

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Man we are going 4 - 0 . Print it.

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I am hoping for a Browns game early in the season where the Tribe is in town the same weekend...double-dip weekend...Indians Saturday, Browns Sunday!!




Better yet Penn.............a Saturday Buckeyes game and a Sunday Browns game! That is football my friend!


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Call me crazy, but with all of the young guys on both sides of the ball, I'd rather have the easier part of the schedule later.

The first part may be tough, but it will help us grow as a football team and maybe come out of it with a few surprise wins. We'll just have to ramp it up in the 2nd half

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My crystal balls say this is the year all our Cleveland Browns dreams come true....


Why not it beats doom & gloom, oh ya I didnt give up alchol yet either...

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Season opener full of history, intrigue
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The Browns' rivalry with the Pittsburgh Steelers is steeped in history.

But the two teams meeting in the season opener pushes the rivalry almost off the charts in that regard.

And that is what the clubs -- and fans -- in both cities have to look forward to when the Browns host the Steelers Sept. 9 at Cleveland Browns Stadium to kick off the 2007 campaign.

Aside from 1996-98, when the Browns were in limbo, the teams have played each other twice a year every season since 1950 when Cleveland joined the NFL from the All-America Football Conference. However, they've collided in the season opener just four times, three of which have come in the "modern" era -- since the NFL-AFL merger in 1970.

And each of those last three openers have been blockbusters in terms of their storylines -- before, during and after the games.

In 1989, the first time in the modern era that it occurred, Bud Carson's initial game as head coach of the Browns was at Pittsburgh.

That's the last thing he wanted for a number of reasons.

First of all, Pittsburgh is where Carson built his resume as an NFL coach while serving as defensive coordinator during much of the Steelers' reign in the 1970s. Three Rivers Stadium was, of course, the site of so many of the most glorious moments for him in that span.

And the man who gave Carson a chance to work that magic was Steelers head coach Chuck Noll, the Cleveland Benedictine High School product who was a messenger guard for the Browns in the 1950s.

So here was Carson facing his old boss -- and dear friend, the man to whom he owed plenty -- in Pittsburgh, at Three Rivers Stadium, in the first game.

Carson was already under enough pressure without that. His career greatly paralleled that of current Browns head coach Romeo Crennel in that both were lifelong NFL assistants who had made their mark as defensive coordinators and, just when they thought that a head coaching opportunity might never be in the cards, it arrived for them with the Browns when they were in their late 50s.

But unlike Crennel, who took on a rebuilding project in 2005, Carson inherited a battle-tested team that had been so close to gaining that elusive first Super Bowl appearance the previous four seasons. His job was to get the Browns over the top -- give them that one last push.

He didn't want -- or need -- the first chapter of his NFL head coaching story to be in the place where he had so many friends and great memories.

The best possible thing -- and the worst possible thing -- happened for Carson that day. Getting a huge boost from the 4-3 defensive scheme he implemented to replace the 3-4 the team had had for a decade (Crennel replaced a 4-3 look with a 3-4), the Browns crushed the Steelers 51-0, handing Pittsburgh its worst loss ever -- even to this day.

That made him an instant hero -- no, make that icon -- with Browns fans. The Browns hadn't just won. They had humiliated their rivals in a place where they had struggled so much for two decades.

But in doing so -- and this is the bad part for Carson -- he had also humiliated the proud Noll, the architect of the Steelers' four Super Bowl wins.

So that's how you pay me back, Bud, by sticking it to me?

Carson was so sheepish about even discussing the lopsided aspect of the victory -- let alone reveling in it -- for it appeared as if the Browns had run up the score. That wasn't the case, though, for it was merely a day in which everything the Browns touched turned to gold, and everything the Steelers touched turned to stone.

But five weeks later, Noll and the Steelers got their revenge, upsetting the Browns 17-7 at Cleveland and using that as the key to a resurgence that nearly enabled them to meet the Browns for a third time. The Steelers made the playoffs as a wild card, stunned the AFC Central Houston Oilers in overtime in the first round and then faltered late down the stretch to lose to the Denver Broncos in the divisional round, 24-23.

Had the Steelers defeated the Broncos, they would have gone to Cleveland the next week to face the Browns in the AFC Championship Game.

Now, Steelers first-year head coach Mike Tomlin opens against the Browns, who gave him a chance to work for them in training camp several years ago as part of the league's minority coaching program.

How ironic -- and fitting.

The second time the Browns and Steelers met in the opener in the modern era was the following year, 1990, in Cleveland.

The players who had been responsible for the Browns' great run through the last half of the 1980s wanted to be paid for that success. As a result, most of the defensive starters held out in a contract dispute until a week before the opener. They showed up, put on their uniforms and, though out of shape, beat the Steelers 13-3 with their experience.

But 1990 was the beginning of the end for the Browns of that era. The players got old all at the same time, and the team finished with a then franchise-worst 3-13 record. After being fired halfway through the year, Carson wasn't around to see that, or to see the Steelers get revenge for the defeats in the last two openers by whipping the Browns 35-0 at Pittsburgh in the next-to-last game.

So let's see, in both of those instances, the team that won the opener got embarrassed in the rematch later in the year. Could it happen again?

Nobody thought so after the Steelers handed the Browns arguably their most crushing defeat in history, dominating from start to finish in winning 43-0 in the 1999 opener. It was the first regular-season game in Cleveland Browns Stadium, and, more importantly, the first for the re-born Browns after the franchise was held in trust the three previous seasons following the original club's move to Baltimore.

With the return of its Browns, Cleveland was in one of the most festive moods in the city's history, and the Steelers had not just rained on that parade. They had leveled it with a category 5 tornado.

The 1999 Browns were going nowhere fast when the teams met again nine weeks later in Pittsburgh, but the Steelers, at 5-3 and with a three-game winning streak, had real hopes of returning to the playoffs following a year's absence. After what happened in Cleveland, the Browns didn't look to stand a chance.

But Phil Dawson's last-play, 39-yard field goal into a stiff wind provided a 16-15 Cleveland triumph and sent the Steelers into a tailspin. That was the first of six straight defeats for them -- the longest such skid in head coach Bill Cowher's 15-year tenure -- and led to a 6-10 record, the Steelers' worst finish under the former Browns special teamer and assistant coach.

It was Cowher's darkest hour in Pittsburgh.

So what, then, does all of this say? That the outcome of the Sept. 9 game in Cleveland might be reversed when the teams meet Nov. 11 in Pittsburgh.

But neither club wants to take that chance, which will add even more fuel to the fire for the opener.

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I don't think that schedule looks rough at all. And what's all this talk about how tough September is? Only 1 of the 4 teams made the playoffs last year.

I'm not saying we will win those games, but it doesn't look that tough to me. Pittsburgh had a tough year and this year will probably be even tougher for them. Oakland sucks! The Bengals are pretty good. The Rats are good. I will say that the Bengals, Rats, and Steelers typically play harder than we do and beat the out of us.

I think the toughest 4 game stretch is this one:

Oct 28 @St. Louis 1:00pm
Nov 4 Seattle 4:05pm
Nov 11 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm
Nov 18 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Three of the four are on the road and that is the time of year we usually get some OL injuries and our D starts wearing down.

All in all........I think it is a pretty easy schedule. We got Oakland, Arizona, Houston, Buffalo, Pittsburgh twice, San Fran, and Miami. None of those teams strike fear into anyone. I still think we will have a losing record because we are not going to be very good either.


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Oh man I remember that 51-0 game,,, Clay Matthews was assume in that game,,, what a day..

I was living in New Jersey,,, didn't get to watch it live but my wife taped it so I could watch it when I returned home,,,I still have it...

Man I thought for sure,,,this was the team...


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Great...We're gonna get smoked on opening day, there's something to look forward to.

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Smoked by timlin and Rottenbuger? Dude have some faith. We haven't even stepped on the field yet.

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HERE WE GO BROWNIES, HERE WE GO!! WOOF WOOF!! Stomp the Stoolers!!!!!!

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I found the entire schedule... link

Is it just me or does it look a little brutal this year?


Oops....just seen the other thread....

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man.. if the Browns come out and beat the Steelers the first game.. that might ruin their entire mentality.. both coaches and players...


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7-9 or 8-8 would be a very good year given this schedule, IMO.




yeah I think so too... If we can get 2-3 Draft Picks that produce like DQ and Wimbley did last year... I think we have a chance to do better and have more close games. We really only had a few games that were blow outs... the rest were pretty close.

last year...
Date Score Opponent
09/10 14-19 L NO lost by 5
09/17 17-34 L at CIN lost by 17
09/24 14-15 L BAL a lost by 1
10/01 24-21 W at OAK won by 3
10/08 12-20 L at CAR lost by 8
10/22 7-17 L DEN lost by 10
10/29 20-13 W NYJ won by a 7
11/05 25-32 L at SD lost by 7
11/12 17-13 W at ATL won by 4
11/19 20-24 L PIT lost by 4
11/26 0-30 L CIN BLOW OUT! lost by 30
12/03 31-28 W KC won by 3
12/07 7-27 L at PIT lost by 20
12/17 17-27 L at BAL lost by 10
12/24 7-22 L TB lost by 15
12/31 6-14 L at HOU lost by 8

we had 10 games that were decided with 8 points or less... We could only manage to win 4 out of 10 on those games. Once we start playing better those games will swing from 4 to 8 and the other games would have been close and all of a sudden we will win 9-10 games in a season. We need to learn how to finish games... we can keep the opposing teams close but we can't close them out. JMHO


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establish a running threat, and the Browns will win those games..


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get a line that can open up some lanes for the RB to run thru and keep the D from feasting on the QB's head and we can win some games...


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I'm already fired up, I got my fighting gear on to go mess with some Steelers fans already.

Hopefully the team is as fired up.

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I don't think that schedule looks rough at all. And what's all this talk about how tough September is? Only 1 of the 4 teams made the playoffs last year.

I'm not saying we will win those games, but it doesn't look that tough to me. Pittsburgh had a tough year and this year will probably be even tougher for them. Oakland sucks! The Bengals are pretty good. The Rats are good. I will say that the Bengals, Rats, and Steelers typically play harder than we do and beat the out of us.

I think the toughest 4 game stretch is this one:

Oct 28 @St. Louis 1:00pm
Nov 4 Seattle 4:05pm
Nov 11 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm
Nov 18 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Three of the four are on the road and that is the time of year we usually get some OL injuries and our D starts wearing down.

All in all........I think it is a pretty easy schedule. We got Oakland, Arizona, Houston, Buffalo, Pittsburgh twice, San Fran, and Miami. None of those teams strike fear into anyone. I still think we will have a losing record because we are not going to be very good either.




Percentage wise we have the 7th toughest schedule. Team wise - 12th.

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Poor Oaklnad has the toughest streangth of schedule

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Really pisses me off that we still have no nationally televised games this year. They don't even give us a Sunday night one. It's rediculous. You know we get rated by different sites and companies as having the best fans out of all the NFL teams yet they can't give us a Nationally televised game. The only game I'm going to be able to watch drinking beers will be the one against the Jets. Otherwise I'm stuck hanging out in my college lounge watching them on whatever i can or having to go to the bar and buy beers at whichever will play Browns games.

Either way I'll be watching the thing alone probably. I just don't get it.

Hopefully they telecast it on that computer broadcast thing, Sopcast

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In my case I start filling Sept and Oct dates now. I need the dates so I can schedule vacation time to go to the 4-5 games I will attend.

It never hurts to get your hotel and any airline reservations booked well in advance as well.

By the end of the day I will have my games selected and hotels booked. Restaurant reservations can wait a while.




Peen..if you are flying in town for games you may want to check out "farecast.com," for the best prices. Not always a good idea to book in advance, financially anyway. Hope it helps.

Anyway, we obviously have a weaker schedule at the end of the year which could be a plus if we start out "respectable."

My concern is the brutal schedule to begin with, will Crennel or Frye be on a short leash. If so, the first half of the season may not be a good barometer in which to judge.

A win against the Steelers opening day would be huge, IMO.

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Think Jamal Lewis will be pumped up for this game? Give this guy an offensive line and he could dish out some serious punishment. A win in the opener could do for the Browns of 2007 what a win in the 2006 opener did for the Saints.


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Early games will reveal: Are Browns contenders or pretenders?

Posted by Tony Grossi April 11, 2007 20:00PM
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It won't take long to determine whether the Browns will be competitive in their division in 2007.

Their regular-season schedule, released Wednesday, calls for them to play each of their rivals in the AFC North in the first month of the season. And each game is in Cleveland.

For a team that is 1-11 against its division rivals the past two seasons, the unusual early test can be considered an opportunity for redemption -- or a death sentence.

The Browns open at home for the ninth consecutive season, this time against the Pittsburgh Steelers. It will be the first regular-season game for Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin in the post-Bill Cowher era.

The Steelers will be followed into Cleveland Browns Stadium by the Cincinnati Bengals on Sept. 16 and by the Baltimore Ravens on Sept. 30. The lone road game of the first month is Sept. 23 at Oakland.

The next quadrant of the season starts with a road game against perennial Super Bowl contender New England on Oct. 7. That is coach Romeo Crennel's first meeting against former boss Bill Belichick.

A home game against Miami and new coach Cam Cameron follows on Oct. 14 before the bye week.

That's the easier part of the schedule.

Six of the Browns' final 10 games are on the road, starting with an Oct. 28 game at St. Louis.

After a home game Nov. 4 against Seattle -- marking the season halfway point -- the Browns play four of their next five away.

They have rematches at Pittsburgh on Nov. 11 and at Baltimore on Nov. 18. There is a home game against Houston Nov. 25 followed by road contests at Arizona on Dec. 2 and the New York Jets on Dec. 9.

The season concludes with a home game against Buffalo on Dec. 16, the rematch in Cincinnati on Dec. 23 and a home game against San Francisco on Dec. 30.

The combined 2006 record of Browns' opponents is 130-126. Only four made the playoffs in 2006.

The Browns have no games scheduled for prime-time national television, although their final eight games could be moved to a Sunday night appearance on NFL Network.

C'MON DOWN: Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas will visit the Browns on Monday, according to a league source. The Browns previously visited with LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn and Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson.

OK...time to show the big guy around!!

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