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And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
He's a product of us losing out.. That's just icing on the cake.... Lets look like losers and lose games... so we can look like losers when we draft losers.....
See what losing gets ya ? 
Thank you...now I'm depressed 
You should be. You were one of Weeden's trumpeters when he was drafted.
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And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
He's a product of us losing out.. That's just icing on the cake.... Lets look like losers and lose games... so we can look like losers when we draft losers.....
See what losing gets ya ?
Thank you...now I'm depressed
You should be. You were one of Weeden's trumpeters when he was drafted.
That was me. 
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And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
He's a product of us losing out.. That's just icing on the cake.... Lets look like losers and lose games... so we can look like losers when we draft losers.....
See what losing gets ya ?
Thank you...now I'm depressed
You should be. You were one of Weeden's trumpeters when he was drafted.
That was me.
It was a lot of the posters on this message board. You shouldn't take the blame for this one on your shoulders.
Everyone that's been here for any length of time will recall that I thought it was a horrible draft and wanted Weeden to earn the job, not have it handed to him. Unfortunately, that wasn't what happened.
I felt then (and still do) think that Colt McCoy was a better QB than Weeden. He's certainly on a better team (with better coaches) than we have right now and he's got a very good shot of being on a playoff team this year. Something he didn't even come close to here in Cleveland. I'm sure he's happy to be out of here and on a contender (yes, every team that makes the playoffs is considered a contender in my book).
I want to ask though, if you want the Browns to lose, why?
After the games last week, the Browns were slated to draft #5. Currently, with the games played up to this point for this week, the Browns are slated to draft #5, despite the loss. We didn't even gain draft position.
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Welcome to the board! Decent insight. Keep the faith. 
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NRTU, just a general response. According to the folks at Bucs Nation, the Browns are currently slated to draft 5th. If their information is accurate, the two teams ahead of the Browns that could possibly move behind them are Jacksonville & Oakland. All the teams are 4-11 but the SOS currently favors Jacksonville (120 - 119, .502) and Oakland (123 - 116, .515) with the Browns SOS at 123 - 114 -2, or .519. The Browns face Putzburgh (7 - 8) next week, while Oakland faces Denver (12 - 3) and Jacksonville faces the Colts (10-5). Even if we all lose and end the season 4-12, the Browns SOS would become 131 - 122 - 2, or .518. The Raiders would move to 133 - 119, or .528 and Jacksonville's would become 131 - 124, or .513. In that scenario, we would move from #5 to #4. If Jacksonville wins, we move over them as well, into the #3 spot. As it stands, St. Louis cannot get anything worse that #2 overall pick from Washington and if Houston wins and Washington loses, it could be the #1 overall pick.  If the Browns lose, they cannot, it seems, draft any lower than #5 and as high as #3, depending on how the games involving Oakland and Jacksonville shake out. Just something to ponder. Why are teams like the Browns continually drafting in the Top 5 or Top 10 and unable to improve while teams that draft further down in the draft seemingly continue to make the playoffs year after year after year while drafting 'lesser' talent further down the draft ranks?
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i agree that losing out helps our draft position, but will it make some veterans want to leave and other free agents not want to sign here? I know it usually comes down to $ but if there was a tie, I would have to think a winning culture would be important to some players. Even if it costs us a draft position, I still want to beat the Steelers.
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I don't think he was.
Agreed.... I think his words were along the line of big risk reward, and then a tirade as to what would happen 2 years down the road if Weeds did not work out...
Meanwhile Tannyhill continues to develop in Miami, bad OLine and all.
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He didn't develop today. Ouch.
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You should be. You were one of Weeden's trumpeters when he was drafted.
Swing...and a miss.
I hated the Weeden pick. We took the oldest QB higher than anyone had ever taken a QB of his ilk. It was a desperate move by a desperate regime. I had him slated as a developmental guy who shouldn't have gone any higher than the 3rd round in spite of his age. I thought Tannehill was also somewhat of a developmental guy, but stated I would have much preferred Tannehill with our 1st pick than taking Weeden anywhere in the first two rounds.
Seeing words stating I was a Weeden honk made me spit out my Lucky Charms.
Chinchilla, it won't matter what we do to finish the year when it comes to attracting free agents. You're right when you say $$$ talks. Free Agents are going to go where the cash is, but from the outside looking in, players will see some great coordinators, great money to blow, and great draft picks to use. Win, lose, or draw...we're an attractive team. Losing out won't change that.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I don't mind taking responsibility for Weeden, such as any fan can, onto my shoulders. I was a vocal supporter, and I was wrong. Even though my back is a mess, my shoulders are strong. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Just something to ponder. Why are teams like the Browns continually drafting in the Top 5 or Top 10 and unable to improve while teams that draft further down in the draft seemingly continue to make the playoffs year after year after year while drafting 'lesser' talent further down the draft ranks?
C'mon Man. Chris Carter Voice.
Why? Because none of them have a QB worth squat. And don't give us the Skins and Atlanta song. Griffin is obviously not back yet. And Atlanta is crushed with injuries.
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About losing for draft position, it's something that reasonable people can differ on. That's especially true when the rewards for doing so aren't as great as they could be (we won't get a top 2 pick no matter what), and maybe even moreso now because the Browns can knock out whatever slim shot the Steelers have of making the playoffs. I still want the earlier picks mind you and one of the other several teams to win so that doesn't affect the playoff picture, but I can understand if others disagree.
But say you are a Texans fan (or you know someone who is, or maybe we have someone on this board who is a Texans fan), do you really want them to win in week 17? If they lose, they are guaranteed the #1 pick. If they win, they probably don't get it. From where I'm sitting that is either Bridgewater or a bevy of picks from a team who wants him.
Somebody tell me that if they were a Texans fan they would actually want their team to win.
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About losing for draft position, it's something that reasonable people can differ on.
I agree. I'm actually hoping for better draft position at this point. 4 or 5 weeks ago, when the Browns were 4-5 or 4-6 and still had an outside shot at the playoffs, some people were rooting for losses then.. I'm not in that camp. I wanted wins, even if we didn't make the playoffs I thought a 7 or 8 win season would do wonders for the confidence of this team.. now that we have lost 6 in a row.. what's one more. 
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I don't mind taking responsibility for Weeden, such as any fan can, onto my shoulders. I was a vocal supporter, and I was wrong. Even though my back is a mess, my shoulders are strong.
We all have our misses. I was so sold on Courtney Brown you couldn't tell me anything. lol
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But say you are a Texans fan (or you know someone who is, or maybe we have someone on this board who is a Texans fan), do you really want them to win in week 17? If they lose, they are guaranteed the #1 pick. If they win, they probably don't get it. From where I'm sitting that is either Bridgewater or a bevy of picks from a team who wants him.
Somebody tell me that if they were a Texans fan they would actually want their team to win.
I'm not sure that the Texans would chose Bridgewater even if they had the #1 pick. If the Texans fan is a thinking fan, he wants the OT Matthews or a defensive player.
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I wanted wins, even if we didn't make the playoffs I thought a 7 or 8 win season would do wonders for the confidence of this team.. now that we have lost 6 in a row.. what's one more.
Self-respect is the cost of wanting another loss.
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I live in SC and I think Clowney is extremely overrated as a football player.
Yes, he is a physical freak. Yes, he makes great plays.
However, he is not in very good condition. He gambles all the time and is easily suckered. He is not a gamer. He is inconsistent and underachieves.
Yes, he has the physical skills to be great, but I think he lacks the mental capacity and drive to be elite. I would pass on this guy. It could come back to haunt me, but I'll take those odds.
I completely agree with this. Clowney is very overrated. I hope we lose the final game, secure our top 6 pick, and grab the best QB available.
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We are currently in the #4 slot, a Jax win could put us in #3. Beating Pitt will drop us to as low as #9.
It's all about hope for the future, now.
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But say you are a Texans fan (or you know someone who is, or maybe we have someone on this board who is a Texans fan), do you really want them to win in week 17? If they lose, they are guaranteed the #1 pick. If they win, they probably don't get it. From where I'm sitting that is either Bridgewater or a bevy of picks from a team who wants him.
Somebody tell me that if they were a Texans fan they would actually want their team to win.
I'm not sure that the Texans would chose Bridgewater even if they had the #1 pick. If the Texans fan is a thinking fan, he wants the OT Matthews or a defensive player.
Debatable, but let's go with it. Surely they would be able to trade out of the #1 pick and get something worthwhile for doing so. So if you are a Texans fan, do you want a win in week 17 and Matthews or a defensive player, or do you want a first round pick to go along with Matthews or a defensive player?
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Self-respect is the cost of wanting another loss.
If you are talking about the coaching staff or players, sure. They should do their best/try to win and I wouldn't expect anything less from them. However, I'm watching from the couch or the bar and the difference between going 4-12 and 5-11 is meaningless to me. I want the team to be positioned to get a franchise QB or some other game changing talent to be more likely to win more games in the future.
And nobody is coming to the Browns because they won 5 games one year instead of 4.
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Debatable, but let's go with it. Surely they would be able to trade out of the #1 pick and get something worthwhile for doing so. So if you are a Texans fan, do you want a win in week 17 and Matthews or a defensive player, or do you want a first round pick to go along with Matthews or a defensive player?
They would be able to trade out of the top spot? With who? Who is actually going to trade up? Who would they trade up to be able to select? Teddy Bridgewater?
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If you are talking about the coaching staff or players, sure.
I'm talking about us as fans and our self-respect. Right now, I don't think Browns fans have any respect for themselves in regards to their team.
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I want the team to be positioned to get a franchise QB or some other game changing talent to be more likely to win more games in the future.
You mean, like Brandon Weeden?
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I live in SC and I think Clowney is extremely overrated as a football player.
Yes, he is a physical freak. Yes, he makes great plays.
However, he is not in very good condition. He gambles all the time and is easily suckered. He is not a gamer. He is inconsistent and underachieves.
Yes, he has the physical skills to be great, but I think he lacks the mental capacity and drive to be elite. I would pass on this guy. It could come back to haunt me, but I'll take those odds.
I completely agree with this. Clowney is very overrated. I hope we lose the final game, secure our top 6 pick, and grab the best QB available.
I said, earlier this season, that I was not impressed with what i saw from him, and that he looked lazy to me.
I got blasted for it.
I think that he is an incredibly talented kid, but I don't know if he will do the things he has to do to be a truly great player.
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Debatable, but let's go with it. Surely they would be able to trade out of the #1 pick and get something worthwhile for doing so. So if you are a Texans fan, do you want a win in week 17 and Matthews or a defensive player, or do you want a first round pick to go along with Matthews or a defensive player?
They would be able to trade out of the top spot? With who? Who is actually going to trade up? Who would they trade up to be able to select? Teddy Bridgewater?
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If you are talking about the coaching staff or players, sure.
I'm talking about us as fans and our self-respect. Right now, I don't think Browns fans have any respect for themselves in regards to their team.
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I want the team to be positioned to get a franchise QB or some other game changing talent to be more likely to win more games in the future.
You mean, like Brandon Weeden?
- I would say there is a good chance that a team will want to trade up to #1. It is pretty common for a team to want to. For example, Holmgren was on record as trying to trade up at least 2 out of the 3 years for Bradford and Luck and I seem to remember something suggested that he inquired about moving up for Cam. And that's just the Browns. I can't say for sure that a team will want to move up to #1 this year because frankly I have no idea, but I think it would be a decent bet.
- Well I'm not going to start lacking self-respect for myself because the team I root for lost... lol... did you mean to say something else? No offense but that is one of the more bizarre comments I have ever read on here.
- Brandon Weeden happens when you miss all the best QB prospects 3+ years in a row, and then some chump who cares more about his legacy and saving his buddies' jobs than the future of the franchise makes a 'panicked disaster' pick. What does Brandon Weeden have anything to do with this? That sometimes players or QBs specifically bust?
I can't tell if you are being purposefully dense at this point so let's just agree to disagree.
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Anyway, like I said before, this is something that reasonable people can have different opinions on. And maybe the Texans weren't the best example because apparently they will be picking #1 or #2 no matter what. Maybe a better example would have been the Colts a couple years ago but honestly this is one of the dumbest things to argue about, so I'm done here.
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Using Holmgren as your example isn't a point in your favor when making this argument.
Yes, you're right. I'm not sure that you have any self-respect be start losing if you actually want the Browns to lose. Period.
Brandon Weeden happens when you're reaching for a QB because you decide when you need one.
I once thought that Browns fans were some of the more knowledgeable fans but I'm beginning to wonder about that belief. Who am I kidding, I'm not beginning to wonder anymore. We're simply not as smart as we'd like to think that we are.
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