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Man, this could decide everything for me. I love Bethesda's games. Skyrim and Fallout are some of my favorite ever.

I've been trying to get away from Microsoft after 360's Red Ring of Death got me, and I just want to try something new. I owned a PS2, but ended up using my XBOX a lot more. Recently I got my hands on the Dual Shock 4 controller and I loved it. I plan on buying a PS3 on Blackfriday Bundle Deal and a Dual Shock 4 controller to go along with it actually. There's just a lot of exclusives I missed on the PS3, and I'd really like to play them. Graphics don't matter so much to me anymore. Just game quality.


But no Bethesda would be terrible news for me. I dunno why they would go exclusive to Microsoft though, considering that Sony's systems have sold pretty well so far, and the head of Bethesda was saying that he like the PS4 a lot in an interview I saw on IGN (I think it was IGN).

But yeah, this might make me hold off until I get confirmation that Bethesda will be making games for PS4 (that and there really aren't any great PS4 games yet). I was going to get one right after christmas (as I'm going to reward myself for being stuck working on the tugboat through the holidays, that and if you don't buy yourself the gift you really want, you won't get what you really want for christmas, lol). But I might just have to continue waiting to see where this console war is going.

FPS/RPG games are my favorite. I guess Skyrim wouldn't exactly count as that, but it's the same concept. And Fallout is up there with Mass Effect series for my favorite games of the Xbox360 generation. Probably Xbox generation too. Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Mass Effect Series. Those are my favorites.

Selling to just Xbox1 would mean a lot of gamers missing out, and also limiting yourself to a smaller market.

Sure hope this isn't true though. I'd really like to get a PS4, but it's about the games. And I Fallout 4 (which I thought was still just a rumored game) and whatever the next version of Elder Scrolls will be (Skyrim took over my life for a long enough time, I have no interest in any more expansion packs or online version, just waiting for the next Elder Scrolls) are ridiculously high on my list.

And if I bought both systems, I think my girlfriend would have a fit........

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If they do make it exclusive I think it's a mistake for a company of their size. Respawn was new even though it was formed by old call of duty execs/employees. So it makes sense for them to get some 1st party love for Titanfall. Shame though because Sony has the most powerful console this time around, although the Xbox One is better for 'non gaming' tasks.

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Even though I am a PC gamer, i hope Fallout 4 and such does come to the PS4. I don't like to see any platform get locked out of an enjoyable game. I was actually bummed about Titanfall because I think it would have been the best shooter for that platform too.

this does kinda worry me though, because last time I heard this kinda chatter was related to Titanfall and we see how that turned out.

I think Microsoft lost some of their studios, so this may be them sinking a ton of money into buying exclusive rights to 3rd party IP's to make up the difference....

Nothing has been announced though, this is just rumor and chatter at this point. Personally, I hope i am wrong and the game does come to the PS4.

This reminds me of pre draft rumors because of the timing. If it doesn't happen before black Friday, its not going to happen. This rumor sounds like viral counter marketing to push people on the fence before the BF deals.

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Nah the ps 3 was awful compared to Xbox graphically.

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I know you are a game developer but how in the world can you look at The Last of Us and Uncharted and tell me the PS3 had awful graphics compared to the 360? I don't see anything on the 360 that beats those games, equals sure, beats no.

The issue with most multiplatform games on the PS3 was the 360 was the lead developing platform and the PS3 version was a port which made the PS3 version subpar compared to the 360 version. Had that game been built from the ground up on the PS3 it would have been equal to the 360 version, but no video game company is going to spend the resources to make two games when they can make one and then a port. 1st party titles shows that the PS3 could do excellent graphics equal to the 360.

As for Fallout 4/Elder Scrolls 6 being console exclusive to Xbox One. Man it would suck for me. I like playing on the console. My laptop can handle them both so I would end up playing on the PC. Microsoft would have to pony up a lot though. Bethesda made over $300 million in Sales on the PS3 with Skyrim. This time around the PS4 and the One are so close in arcitecture that it would cost even less to have it on both platforms, but Microsoft has deep pockets so I can see them wanting another killer app, but man it will cost them. More likely I can see XBO getting exclusive Expansion packs.

The difference between Titanfall and Bethesda games is Titanfall was announced as an exclusive to XBO. The rumor was it was only TIMED exclusive which later was said to be not true. So this is slightly different.

Last of Us and Uncharted series do look great. I'm just saying the XB360 has more GPU horsepower, therefore you'd be able to squeeze better visual fidelity out of those games on the XB360, but only if they were exclusive to the xbox and not on ps3. I'll get to this key distinction in a bit.

There really isn't *that* much to port when it comes to properly built game engines: Graphics, Audio, Input, I/O and Online. well built systems will abstract several key component layers. On Darksiders and Darksiders 2 for example we used middleware audio libraries so we effectively built audio to the middleware and didn't care about the platform side of it. Now all the platforms for all the games were pretty close, but there were winners. For Darksiders 1 the best platform was PC, then Xbox, then PS3. For Darksiders 2 it was PS3, Xbox, PC. I think the reason the PS3 leapfrogged for the sequel was because we were able to port many systems to use the SPU's and we did little to improve Xbox performance.

The PS3's gpu is just plain worse than the xbox 360 one though. The Xenos gpu has better shader throughout: 96 billion shader ops on xenos vs. 75 billion on the RSX. The alpha blending on the RSX is very limited too, the RSX and Xenos have 8 ROPs each but the Xenos ROPs are 3x as powerful. If you look at games like Red Dead Redemption, Rockstar cut back on the foliage by a fair factor on the PS3 version to reduce the workload on the GPU. On Darksiders, we made art decisions to reduce the need to use blending in the first place.

Naughty Dog tunes their games just for the PS3 and can maximize the power potential. Even so, you could probably gain a good 15% extra visual fidelity if they were instead Xbox exclusive. If it was on both consoles, I'd say you'd lose 15% fidelity on both titles from where the PS3 one is. This is where while it appears that the PS3 has a great GPU, it doesn't. But game developers only have so many programmer resources to throw at the project and when it comes to multi platform it makes more business sense to just tune for the "common denominator" than build systems with high platform specialization.

Read Dead Pics for reference:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-red-dead-redemption-face-off?page=2

Well it doesn't really matter to me as I haven't decided on a platform yet and I will definitely buy the game as it is probably my favorite series. The news/rumors of it just coming out is music to my ears. I do think the devs would be stupid to limit the sales by going single platform.

When XBOX and PS wars started I originally bought the PS2, with the next set I bought an XBOX360 and I liked both at the times. the only real difference for me is getting used to the controllers, because I buy a system to play on and not watch TV, Skype, or whatever.

JC

It sucks that Rise is a Xbox exclusive. That game is looking mega bada**...

well if you do get it, I helped out with the boss fights

Lol do you have any idea who you are talking to?

I put a detailed synopsis of the GPUs a few posts up but my sources are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_(graphics_chip)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_'Reality_Synthesizer'

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Xenos has a unified shader architecture whereas the RSX had fixed vertex/pixel pipelines. This allows the Xenos GPU higher throughput on a per fragment basis and is one of the biggest markers of overall GPU performance

Xenos has better Raster output units with hardware support for alpha blending, whereas the RSX had to calculate blending in software... easily the biggest technical hurdle people faced developing for the PS3 because Sony wanted to hit a transistor count so Nvidia removed the Hardware blending

RSX has more texture units so your shaders can sample more textures in parallel compared to Xenos. This is useful for deferred rendering.

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I fear some may be thinking I'm saying the PS3 looks worse than the Xbox in a fanboy type way. I own both consoles and have played many games side by side and the PS3 looks the same as the Xbox in virtually all cases. Rendering is just a very complex math function, if you have the same inputs you get the same output, so both consoles look the same.

I'm just saying the RSX can't run the math as fast therefore you have to make a technical decision to reduce the complexity of your game visually to compensate. Multi platform games just don't take full advantage of the Xbox GPU so you wont notice much of a difference (with some exceptions like red dead foliage or shadows in max payne 3)

For the record I buy most games for the PS3 because I prefer the dual shock 3 quite a bit

Oh my bad. : I thought you were pitting the two systems up against each other in a fan boy type of competition. Personally I've always favored playstation systems because I have a history of fond memories with them. I remember when I GTA and Final Fantasy were set exclusives on the Sony consoles and that decided my buying decision. Hopefully given enough time Fallout 4 makes its way to PS4. Another couple of games that badly needs to be non exclusive is the Left4Dead series. I would kill to play that on the PS4.

Awesome take Gage. Like I said. I know you are a game developer and know way more than me. I can only look at games and the Uncharted Series and The Last of Us are games I can point to and say the PS3 can do awesome graphics for it's generation and the fact that it's a console game. I don't really see any 360 game that anyone can point to and say "Wow, the PS3 can not handle this game." when said game is developed from the ground up on the PS3 Architecture.

I think Sony has better first party developers, or at least more of them. Sony far outstrips Microsoft in console exclusives and I think it is a good strategy. Games are why people buy consoles and if you have better exclusives it can be the difference. Good news is ps 4 is faster than xb one so I know polyphony and naughty dog can't wait to show it off !

The Examiner article is from May and there's been zero industry chatter of any Bethesda titles being X1 exclusives since. Not sure I understand the purpose of creating a new thread for 6+ month old article.

Fallout is probably my favorite series going back to the turn based 1 and 2. On that note is anyone else looking forward to Wasteland 2 as it seems very similar(to the first two anyway)? It is one of the reasons I am looking to get back into computer gaming. Steam has had early release access for a little while now, has anyone taken advantage?

Fallout 2 was so good. Wasteland was a favorite for a long time. I copied it from a friend. My dad took the book to work and photocopied it because you had to look stuff up in it...good times!