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When I saw him have a decent performance on MNF vs Miami I was saying to myself, "hmm i wonder if maybe he could have possibly been the answer to our RB problems" and then after yesterdays performance, I am semi depressed that we didnt give this guy the chance to do that for us. Cant really blame the coaches/management because a lot of guys tried Rainey and passed, but its just ironic that he just got cut by us and we are in dire need of a solid back right now. I am happy for him though.
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I was thinking the same thing. LOL if this is the same team i'm thinking about, didn't their #1 and #2 go down with injuries? if so I think even trent could run through those holes. 
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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I am having a hard time blaming the coaches on this one.
When Rainey was here, he looked slow, light, and fragile. I remember thinking that every time he touched the ball I felt he didn't belong in the NFL. He didn't show anything while he was here ... at least not in the games.
I haven't seen any highlights of his game yesterday, but judging from the stats he looked nothing like the guy who was here. How do you explain that? I don't know. But he looked like just a guy with his opportunities here.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think he burned his bridges here with a few poorly judged kick returns.
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I see it as moment and place. He is now in the right place at the right moment. It may have never happened for him here.
Nobody to blame or point fingers. I am just glad the kid found his moment and place.
If i am not mistaken, we brought him in after the season started or just before it started. It's hard for the staff to get a guy worked in, though Tampa seemed to be able to.
I guess we can be happy that Lombardi saw the talent and brought him in, and the staff just couldn't get him worked in to a rotation.
A good lesson here is when we bring in people, it doesn't hurt to give them a legit shot. A few kick returns and a haf a dozen rushing attemps is hardly a legit shot. It's pure luck of the draw the kids breaks off a few big runs on 12 chances.
At any rate, there are a lot of Bobby Rainey's out there if given the chance. It's not like High Schools and Colleges have a hard time finding kids to fill the running back position.
My position on backs is you have the elite players...The Emmett Smith's, Adrian Peterson's, the Bo Jackson's....then you have a boatload of guys who are good, and a boatload of guys who aren't because they never really got a chance.
Lot's of backs are like lot's of relief pitchers in baseball. If the Mgr/Coach gives them the ball, lot's of players can rush for 100 yards or save a baseball game....the guys who don't get the ball linger around for a few years then fade away, forever listed as a guy who played for a few years. Another moment and place, it might be a whole different story.
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outside of a couple times where he caught the ball out of the backfield and made a few nice moves, he showed nothing to look like he belonged on an NFL roster. I don't know how TB's blocking scheme compares to ours, but it may just be his strengths better match with what they do in the run game (which I presume is, open holes.)
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outside of a couple times where he caught the ball out of the backfield and made a few nice moves, he showed nothing to look like he belonged on an NFL roster. I don't know how TB's blocking scheme compares to ours, but it may just be his strengths better match with what they do in the run game (which I presume is, open holes.)
Exactly Steve....Moment and place. All situations are different. Maybe it is the blocking. Maybe the kid found a new gear knowing his shots were nearing a end, maybe because he felt the coach liked him,.....maybe the air....who knows??
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Bobby Rainey is an example of the immutable law of RB's: They are completely interchangable.
Before Rainey got put in Mike James (Tampa's 6th round pick this year) had a few big games as well.
Bringing in an old horse like McGahee does nothing but improve our pass blocking. If you want to run the ball effectively all you need is a young guy with good knees and good speed. The difference between 90% of RBs and PS fodder is neglible IMO.
Except of course the T Rich paradox which states that a RB who doesn't know how to run through a hole is useless.
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He was banged up a bit when the Ravens cut him. He looked slow and sluggish while here and had about 2 months to rest up before getting reps with the Bucs. It may simply be the fact that he needed the time to get healthy.
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I don't think Rainey got a fair chance here. The following posts are from an earlier thread that was entitled: "Browns promote WR Gurley, CB Posey, put S Aubrey on IR, waive RB Rainey" First quote is from Mourg. The second is my response to him. Mourg said: Quote:
Rainy was just worn out by the time we got him i think. It was scary how much of Trent Richardson I saw in him, in the negative aspects that is.
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I watched Rainy in college and was impressed. I thought he displayed good moves, had good hands, and ran w/unexpected power. I was excited when we got him. Not sure he really received a legit chance here, but it is what it is.
I love our new coaching staff, but I really don't think they gave Rainy a legit shot. Not a huge deal, but he could have helped us.
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Food for thought.
Harrison broke Jim Brown's single game rushing record for a Cleveland Brown running back with 286 yards and three touchdowns, placing him third on the all-time single-game rushing yards list behind Adrian Peterson, who had rushed for 296 yards and three touchdowns against the San Diego Chargers in 2007, and Jamal Lewis, who had rushed for 295 yards and two touchdowns against the Browns in 2003.
Every dog, or dawg can have his day bro. That does not make them a super star.
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When Rainey was here, he looked slow, light, and fragile. I remember thinking that every time he touched the ball I felt he didn't belong in the NFL. He didn't show anything while he was here ... at least not in the games.
I agree. So lets see if he can repeat that performance he had the other day. One good game doesn't count for much except for in that one game. A lot of players flash but can't be consistent.
Hell, look at our WR Little vs the Rats. You see that one game and are ready to sign him up for $Zillions. But what has he done before or after?
Consistency is what matters.
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Harrison broke Jim Brown's single game rushing record for a Cleveland Brown running back with 286 yards and three touchdowns, placing him third on the all-time single-game rushing yards list behind Adrian Peterson, who had rushed for 296 yards and three touchdowns against the San Diego Chargers in 2007, and Jamal Lewis, who had rushed for 295 yards and two touchdowns against the Browns in 2003.
Every dog, or dawg can have his day bro. That does not make them a super star.
In Jerome's defense he was playing great football during that season and the season after was pretty good. He was extremely underrated and could have kept up that dominance if it wasn't for the brain tumor they found imo.
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1. lets see what he can do over a 16 game season before he is recognized as a good RB.
2. He bounced around from a couple of teams before this two game breakout. Whatever he didn't have it was in more than one place. Possibly our coaching staff did him some good?
3. Question? did we let him go before we traded Trent? Then it was simply a roster spot thing.
4. Coaches especially new coaches...really get into RBs or any player that are football intelligent and understand the X's n O's. Practice practice and more practice they are looking for perfection. This I understand but what I think they miss out on is some impact players that seem to turn it on or go into another zone on game day. Btw there are also players who I call practice players who go into an opposite zone on game day. I think we have the same situation here with Fozzy Whitaker.
In practice he is thinking and learning while McGahee and Ogb already know and are smoother in the execution of the plays in practice. But when the game comes. Its time for action.
5. Also there is the system - our system just is not a run favorable. Our OL prowess is in our OTs Tampa's is in their OGs - They got two first rounders??? or high impact picks if I remember. They got a rookie QB - they need that run game.
In summary instead of the grass is greener stuff - btw I always like Rainey but take it with a grain of salt as being a "prefect" fan...lol  I like every Brown player. But I didn't understand letting him go I didn't think he was a High impact player in our scheme so I didn't dwell on it more than a minute.
My point here is this. Instead of thinking of what we have lost (and who knows what he would be doing here). I know I am simply wishing that we would use Fozzy here more. I think he is just as good or better than Rainey in all areas...the coaches are taking time to trust him cause they see him primarily in practice where he is thinking and trying to do new things. But I have not seen him one rep in practice just in the games. He seems to be that type of player who is able to get into a different zone for the game. He stops thinking at the snap and just reacts. We got our Rainey right here under our noses...lets not lose him too!
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I don't think Rainey got a fair chance here.
The following posts are from an earlier thread that was entitled: "Browns promote WR Gurley, CB Posey, put S Aubrey on IR, waive RB Rainey"
First quote is from Mourg. The second is my response to him.
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Rainy was just worn out by the time we got him i think. It was scary how much of Trent Richardson I saw in him, in the negative aspects that is.
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I watched Rainy in college and was impressed. I thought he displayed good moves, had good hands, and ran w/unexpected power. I was excited when we got him. Not sure he really received a legit chance here, but it is what it is.
I love our new coaching staff, but I really don't think they gave Rainy a legit shot. Not a huge deal, but he could have helped us.
Good stuff....but you must dig pretty deep to watch a guy who played at W. Ky.
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Thanks, but I didn't really dig deep. The guy was on ESPN Game Day or one of those shows a couple of times. Had some insane highlights. He peaked my interest and I started to research him a bit more. It was nothing like Steve's uncovering of Bryant.
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