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I have been giving this a lot of thought lately, and since the NFL always makes changes to the rules in each off-season, there is one I would desperately like to see made this off-season.
Let's make "hits on defenseless receivers/QBs" automatically reviewed upstairs, as TDs are. There have been so many bad calls regarding this type of hit this year, and many that have gone against, of course, the Browns. Either that or make them a coach's challenge. I would prefer that these calls are automatically reviewed though. They are often game changing calls, and directly effect the outcome of many games.
What rules changes would you like to see made this off-season?
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One thing that has always bothered me ... when a player goes out of bounds the clock should always stop. I realize it does the last so many minutes of each half, but it's really annoying to see the clock running just seconds after someone steps out of bounds.
If we are going to stop the clock the final few minutes of each half, then why wouldn't we always do it? Either do it or don't.
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That reminds me of another calls I would like looked at. When a player is forced out of bounds on a kick cover, I understand that he has to get back in bounds as soon as possible ...... but if a guy is running along the sideline and doesn't immediately get back in bounds, I don't know if that should be a penalty or not.
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Take all of the rules that are parts of what used to be spearing, wrap them up into one, and call spearing again.
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one i would like to see is the kickoffs moved back to where they was, to allow return specialist a better opportunity to make a impact on games.
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The clock should stop within the last two minutes after first downs and resume once the crew are set like how college does it. While NFL crews are fast, they do waste precious times in those crucial situations.
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Personal fouls should be reviewed, just like flagrants in the NBA.
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I would like to see then stop calling helmet to helmet when the ball carrier drops his head down into the path of the oncoming defenders helmet. That's on the ball carrier, not the defender.
I also really agree with ytowns first post, those calls infuriate me sometimes.
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All penalties should be reviewable.
Soooooo many games are decided by the Refs and history has shown many of them to be inaccurate.
Many people would claim that allowing this would "delay the game", but each team would still be limited to 2 wrong challenges just like they are now, and if they are correct and "delay the game", it's better than ruined games!
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If we are going to stop the clock the final few minutes of each half, then why wouldn't we always do it? Either do it or don't.
The NFL needed the time because of how many commercials they run. They want to keep the Sunday times the same, but the extra commercials forced them to make some changes, such as the running clock and all the network promos they do during the live telecast.
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Considering the "bang-bang" nature of many calls, it is surprising that they are correct the vast majority of the time...
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J/C. I like stopping the clocks after a first down. I also hate that a punt returner has to be given so much space to catch the ball. He has the option of a fair catch. If he doesn't use it, he should be fair game.
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...a punt returner has to be given so much space to catch the ball. He has the option of a fair catch.
In the CFL, there is no fair catch, however, a punt returner must be given 5 yards prior to the catch...
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Completely disagree w/that one. You have to give the punt returner space to catch the ball. Far too dangerous, otherwise. And that is even before we made all the stupid rule changes in the name of safety.
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Some very good suggestions here:
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1. Put the return game back into kickoffs by placing the ball back where it should be.
2. Pass interference and personal fouls should be reviewed. They are just too much of a game changer to go unchecked. They don't happen all that much to slow the game that much more than what TV has already done to it. Might as well get these calls right if you are going to hand a team an automatic first down and a huge chunk of yards. Especially review these roughing QB hits.
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I know I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I would like to see them take the entire format of the college game and drop it into the NFL with few exceptions.
- I'm fine with the two feet rule. I think it helps display the unbelievable athletic ability of these WR's and TE's.
- I don't like the targeting/ejection rule. Too many borderline calls that even replay didn't help get right. I'm still baffled at the Roby ejection, as well as the one in Georgia's game earlier in the year.
-I'm fine with the 2 minute warning, but I would not be against doing away with it and having the clock stopped at every first down instead. Keep in mind this will never happen, because the NFL loves the 3 minutes of commercials they can jam in during the 2 minute warning.
College games come in roughly at 3 hours just like an NFL game, however there is far more action in a college game, because the NFL drowns you out with more commercials.
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The one thing that irks me seemingly every year is the half-the distance mark-off on penalties. If the yardage isn't there to do the full mark-off, put it on the 1, just like P.I. in the endzone. A personal foul shouldn't turn into a 6 yard penalty just because I'm only on my 11 yard line.
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Completely disagree w/that one. You have to give the punt returner space to catch the ball. Far too dangerous, otherwise. And that is even before we made all the stupid rule changes in the name of safety.
He can signal for the fair catch. If the cover guys are that close, he should be signalling anyway.
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All penalties should be reviewable.
Soooooo many games are decided by the Refs and history has shown many of them to be inaccurate.
Many people would claim that allowing this would "delay the game", but each team would still be limited to 2 wrong challenges just like they are now, and if they are correct and "delay the game", it's better than ruined games!
I completely disagree.
For one, the games would take forever. a 3 hour game, would be closer to a 4 hour game.
Also, some calls are just too borderline. Like the saying goes "there is holding on every play". You could review one play, maybe see that it wasn't holding, but then find a different guy holding on the same play.
I also hate the system the NFL uses for review. Challenges are stupid, it makes a game within the game, and it kills the flow.
Instead of stopping the game and letting the refs on the field have to go and look under some hood to see whether or not they got it right, they should have a group of people in a room with access to all the angles to make that decision.
College football uses, the NHL uses it. MLB of course doesn't use it, but they're 20 years behind anyway.
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PI calls would increase 5-fold if the NFL adopted college's 15 yards.
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I'd like to see a rule that ticket prices couldn't be raised more than the rate of inflation unless you make the playoffs.
Seriously.....I'd like to see fewer rules.
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My only pet peeve. Change the non holding calls to holding. I am so sick of seeing Browns players held, grabbed, mauled, and pulled to the ground while Ref's stand by staring at the holding and never throw the flag. Protect the QB sure, stand by and watch a offensive lineman rape our defense.... NO THANKS 
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2. Pass interference and personal fouls should be reviewed. They are just too much of a game changer to go unchecked. They don't happen all that much to slow the game that much more than what TV has already done to it. Might as well get these calls right if you are going to hand a team an automatic first down and a huge chunk of yards. Especially review these roughing QB hits.
A lot of good stuff in this thread.. I think PI calls in the last 2 minutes of the half and the game should be reviewed.. I just wonder how you would handle non-calls that might have been interference.... I'd also give the booth the option to not only say yes it was a penalty or not, I'd give them the authority to change it from defensive to offensive if that was warranted. That said, I'd allow more hand fighting when the ball is in the air, as long as there is no grabbing or holding, I'd like to see them let the guys fight for the ball a little.
As far as the hitting the head of the QB... I think there should be a 5 yard version with no automatic first down when it's pretty clear the guy was just trying to hit his throwing arm or swat at a pass.. then a 15 yard version and automatic first down when there was more malicious intent..
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I never understood why the automatic review on a "close call" TD, (to make sure they really did score), but totally ignore a close, non-TD call, (not caring if that potential scoring play was called right or not).
On a close non-TD call the HC has to risk a timeout by challenging that call. Shurmur challenged once and won the review giving us a score when it was called a non-score. That alone should be enough to revisit that rule.
I'd like to see them review it both ways. If they're not sure a Ref can make a TD call correctly then how can they be sure they make a non-TD call correctly? It's the same call.
In other words, if they're not sure the Refs can correctly make a scoring call then review them all. Not just the ones that put points on the board, but also the ones that could be leaving points off the board.
The validity of this change can be demonstrated by merely switching it around and review only the non-TD calls while not reviewing TD calls. It becomes obvious right away that it wouldn't be right. And it's not right the other way around either.
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Got it...they should improve these new rules but the set back to that is so many offenses are in hurry up mode. Will there be a proper chance in getting it done right. Even us betcha when all know our O and we are a machine we will be doing the hurrying up thing...Oh also when we get our Super star QB or Hoyer back under center. 
What I would like to see done...is we hear every time from the announcers that the guys in the booth are seeing this in Real Time. I would like to see the review improved by letting them take it to slo motion in their review and even frame by frame if need be...get it right!
I would like to see current rules executed and for them to stop making new rules.
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I want to comment on "pick plays." Every team in the league is running the fly-post pick combo route and it is absolutely destroying the league right now. It's almost impossible to defend.
The Packers are absolutely guilty of receivers locking up before the ball is out. They were far and away the worst in the league at that. They ran it mostly because they had no way of countering the Tampa-2 looks without the running game. This year, they've run the ball mostly when faced with that. It's coming back out again since there offensive line has been getting injured. The Broncos are the worst, especially at setting blocks on WR screens.
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Colts were the same way with Peyton. It's obviously something he's adding to the offense.
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Colts were the same way with Peyton. It's obviously something he's adding to the offense.
on Welker's TD against Washington, Demaryius absolutely crushes the CB trying to come over to cover Welker, then throws his hands up like he was in that spot for a pass. the cameras even showed D.Thomas & Welker on the sidelines yucking it up about the whole thing.
definitely would be nice for the NFL to put a point of emphasis on those plays, but I doubt they would (more scoring = more viewers --- for the most part)
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I don't know if that was directed to me Candyman...thank you for wanting to talk football. I do gargle with Listerine but I must have bad breath or something cause it seems nobody wishes to talk football with me here...the few back n forth I get is in humor n not football - maybe Pit is the only one willing to discuss football. Well thanks, hopefully its not a Just clicking thing...lol 
Defenses forever in this league have adjusted. If this becomes a widely used play - It is defensible - It I can assume it is used on obvious passing downs where there are multiple WRs. Team will have to just go to more Cover, 1, 2 or 3 (which would be prevent) - MAN. For example Cover 3 that most are familiar with is the FS and 2 CBs dividing up the Deep Zone in thirds. The proper term for that is Cover 3 Zone. Cover 3 man that I suggest is a prevent type defense. Is Every eligible WR will have a Man - then over top you have the 3 deep zones being covered by DBs. With no man assignments given to those 3.
But defenses will come up with a way of stopping that play if it becomes epidemic. Maybe with more Cover Man??? Something...Defenses are so talented and well coached...there really is nothing that can be thrown at them where a counter action will be used to stop it. The key is to have a counter action for that adjustment
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I have been giving this a lot of thought lately, and since the NFL always makes changes to the rules in each off-season, there is one I would desperately like to see made this off-season.
Let's make "hits on defenseless receivers/QBs" automatically reviewed upstairs, as TDs are. There have been so many bad calls regarding this type of hit this year, and many that have gone against, of course, the Browns. Either that or make them a coach's challenge. I would prefer that these calls are automatically reviewed though. They are often game changing calls, and directly effect the outcome of many games.
What rules changes would you like to see made this off-season?
I agree with this, as long as they get it right. In college the refs review for the targeting rule, but even after review sometimes get it wrong. I was watching a game earlier this season that was obvious shoulder to shoulder contact, but the defender was still ejected after review.
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the "must continue the catch process to the ground" and bang-bang fumbles seems to conflict with each other.
We've all seen a WR make a catch, have two feet down and then roll to the ground and then lose control a second later and then it be called incomplete. I think it's okay, but needs more refinement.
But then, you'll have a WR make a catch, have two feet down and then before he can roll to the ground the defender knocks the ball loose and it's a fumble.
If it's a catch and fumble before he gets to the ground, why is it not a catch the other way?
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Colts were the same way with Peyton. It's obviously something he's adding to the offense.
It's a reason why I hate the Mannings. I know people like to hate Ton Bray because of his personality but Manning is worse. However people don't see it that way because of his "good ol country boy" personality and his TV ads. He's been a whinny punk ever since his days at Tennessee. He gets away with a ton of cheap passes. Remember when he used to use refs as human shields?
Come playoff time not only do defenses clamp down, but the best refs in the NFL do as well. It's not a coincidence he struggles in the playoffs. He doesn't get away with picks and such. I think Manning is one of the GOAT, but he annoys the hell out of me and I enjoy seeing him fail in the playoffs.
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I don't think Manning is a punk at all.
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I don't think Manning is a punk at all.
To each their own.
I wanted to use another word, but it might have been filtered. I don't think he's a "punk" if used in the context of being a thug.
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Outside of last year...in the playoffs where I think his arm was a bit tired and showed signs of dead arm. But even last year. I lot of the playoff failures has been that he never had a strong Defense. Same thing with the Saints...they've always had a great offense with Peyton as HC and Brees but its been the Defense come playoff time that would let them down. Both Manning and Brees had that one special year. Where the Defense upped their game during the playoffs.
I know people are shying away from the old adage - "DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS" but I still think it applies. Of course you have to have that AIR Attack on O...but if you have a weak D that probably will get you in the Playoffs but to go deep you need that D to stop the other teams Air Attack!
Oh and if Manning came out in 99 instead of 98...he would have a Statue outside of CBS by now
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I have a question, how do you tackle a WR running a slant to the middle?
I want to know this, every time I see a play where a WR/RB/TE runs from one side across the middle and is thrown the ball he gets hit and then a defenseless receiver penalty is called. What are you supposed to do? Stop running at the receiver what for him to catch the ball, then get trucked?
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We'd have picked Ryan Leaf.
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I have a question, how do you tackle a WR running a slant to the middle?
Shoulder in the ribs...if helmet is there for part of the aggression put the hat on the ball or hands of the WR. - But shoulder into the Ribs. You know picture perfect would be Gipson's hit on Packers TE...you know the one where the REF threw the flag for a 15 yarder. Mean while Gipson did not get a fine cause when they reviewed it he actually tackled perfectly within the rules.
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We'd have picked Ryan Leaf.
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A serious rule change I would like to see. It would consider touchdowns in the front corner of the end zone. Sure, about 19-22 years ago, announcers started this bull about a player on a rushing play reaching the ball forward over the goalline, and proclaiming, that that is where the spot should be. So, No problem, ... in the Middle of the field, but at the out of bounds marker... it's become ridiculous. I believe the rule should be, when considering spots, and forward progress, that where the ball is when the players body goes out of bounds, even if he is high in the air as he crosses the out of bounds marker, should be the spot. NOT where he can fanagel his arm to put the ball across a line at the last split of a second.
Another thing, where they often get it wrong in my opinion. When considering whether a player on a rushing touchdown in the middle of the field, is across the goal or not, it is this simple. Spot the ball like you would on any rushing play, and if any part of the ball is over the white of the goal line, (just like if any part is across the "chain gang's" metal pole), then it's a touchdown.
And one more thing. Already in the CFL, they have a 20 yard deep end zone, I think. While I don't advocate moving the goal posts back any deeper, I believe that making the end zones, 5 yards deeper, to 15 yards deep, would make for a safer, more enjoyable game.
And when we had Dawson, I think 51+ yard kicks should be worth more points, but we don't have Dawson anymore, so forget it.
And I'm all out of bubblegum.
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