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BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns, who started the season 0-2 and already have played three quarterbacks, will make the playoffs.
Don’t adjust your computer screen -- or my meds. I’m also proffering five reasons the Browns won’t make the playoffs on another post.
But after losing their first two games and trading Trent Richardson to Indianapolis, who envisioned the playoffs as a legitimate bye-week topic? Some thought they had a better chance to compete with Jacksonville for the No. 1 draft pick than to battle Cincinnati for the top spot in the division.
If the Browns are trying to tank, as some suggested after management moved Richardson, they’re doing a lousy job of it. Remember Mike Holmgren’s tirade after that trade? Guess he won’t be calling Joe Banner for playoff tickets.
Here are five reasons why the Browns will be part of the postseason:
1. Competent quarterbacking
Jason Campbell is providing steady leadership at the most important position on the field. He’s the first Brown since Derek Anderson to have back-to-back 100-plus passer ratings in the games against Kansas City and Baltimore.
His three-touchdown performance vs. the Ravens, while playing with bruised ribs, was impressive. So was engineering the 15-play, 6:30 field goal drive at game’s end. You can sense the confidence the team has in the veteran. It’s a trust factor that was lacking in Brandon Weeden.
2. Getting defensive
Except for a dreadful six-quarter stretch in the Green Bay and Kansas City games, the defense has played well. The unit ranks fourth in total defense, sixth against the pass and seventh against the rush. Only the Kansas City Chiefs (36) have more sacks than the Browns (31).
The improvement of cornerback Buster Skrine and emergence of rookie defensive lineman Armonty Bryant are more reasons for optimism.
If defensive coordinator Ray Horton can fix their third-down struggles – the Browns rank next to last in allowing a 46.1 conversion rate – the unit should have a strong finish.
3. Chud’s leadership
It’s hard to imagine a rookie head coach dealing with as many issues as Rob Chudzinski has had this season. The 0-2 start. The Richardson trade. The quarterback roulette wheel. The injuries to key players. An owner under federal investigation.
Chudzinski has led his team through much uncertainty and has it in position to make an unexpected run at the playoffs. Players love his personal touches, his boyhood connection to the team and the confidence he shows in them with an NFL-leading 19 fourth-down attempts.
4. Bengals hurtin’
The Browns best shot at making the postseason is winning the AFC North. The team they must catch is a banged-up bunch, especially on defense.
The Bengals lost All-Pro defensive tackle Geno Atkins for the season to a torn anterior cruciate ligament last week. Joining him on the injured reserve list is top cornerback Leon Hall (torn Achilles) and safety Taylor Mays (dislocated shoulder). Middle linebacker Rey Maualuga (left knee, concussion) is expected to miss the next three to four weeks, while Pro Bowl offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth sat out last week with a right knee injury that limited him in training camp.
Those are key players for a team heading into a stretch run.
5. Wide-open sixth spot
If the Browns cannot win the division they still have a shot at second wild card. Kansas City (9-0) or Denver (7-1) will win the AFC West and, barring a collapse, the other club will earn the top wild card.
The Browns (4-5) are in the mix with New York Jets (5-4), Miami (4-4), Tennessee (4-4) and San Diego (4-4). The Chargers appear to have the toughest road with two games each against the Chiefs and Broncos.
The Browns travel to New York on Dec. 22 for a potentially massive game with the Jets. The Browns close the regular season in Pittsburgh on Dec. 29. Can you envision a Browns playoff celebration at Heinz Field?
Buckle up, Cleveland. The next two months promise to be a wild ride.
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My first reaction to reading the title was, (You mean in 2013/ the 2013/2014 season?) .
2nd. If your title read, "Might" make the playoffs, or 5 reasons they "May" make the playoffs, or "Could", or even " Should" make the playoffs, then I think almost nobody would object to those points.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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It's way too early for me to seriously entertain thoughts of post-season play, so I'll only say this once: Every year, the NFL seems to feature a 'Cinderella Team.' Every year, Browns fans bemoan the fact that said team isn't theirs. With the history of failure, incompetence and just pain old cosmic bad luck this team has suffered, an improbable playoff run to the SB would be a story for the ages. Instant NFL lore... and the town would lose it's freakkin' mind. Like I said.... I'll only say it once. 
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I'm ready for it !!!!
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....and probably not in a good way. I'm willing to risk it! 
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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I said it at the time and I'll repeat it in this thread ... it is my opinion that our loss to Detroit (along with Cincy's lucky wins at Buffalo and Detroit) basically cost us a very good shot at winning the division.
I'm not saying we won't or can't, but that mini stretch of games really put us behind the 8 ball
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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When was the last time the browns were actually relevant at this time of the year let alone be in the playoff hunt!! Try still have a long way to go but I'm just happy we're talking about winning the north... Gotta beat Cincy next weekend though for any chance of that
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The only thing I'll say is that it's possible.
2 divisional games against a 2-6 team (PIT)
1 game against one of the worst teams in football (JAX)
1 game against a team we've already beaten at FirstEnergy and this time around they are w/o one of the best d. tackles in the game, Geno Atkins (CIN)
The bigger concerns surround NYJ, NE, and CHI....the latter two being the most concerning to me now that Cutler is back for one team, and Gronk the other. We may be able to rattle Geno Smith, but their defense is rather good.
It'll be tough beating Pittsburgh twice and Cincinnati plays like a legit, deep playoff team at home.
We'll need some help in the end is my guess. The nice thing is we're not just gunning for the division slot at this point. The sixth wildcard is up for grabs as well.
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Reading this made me curious about our defense so I looked up a couple things...
Browns are best in the league at giving up only 6.0 yards per passing attempt, and 4th best against the run in allowing 3.6 yards per carry.
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Yeah, the defensive statistics are really impressive. Yet, we still have guys bad-mouthing the FO for their moves. 
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I don't see anyone badmouthing the FO.
You don't need to make stuff up.
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As I said a few min ago. One game at a time guys one game at a time. 
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Reading this made me curious about our defense so I looked up a couple things...
Browns are best in the league at giving up only 6.0 yards per passing attempt, and 4th best against the run in allowing 3.6 yards per carry.
Please allow me to riff off this theme, if you will.
Who have the Pats played with a D that's comparable to Cleveland's... and what have been their results?
I ask this for 2 reasons:
1. I haven't followed the Pats, so I don't know what opposition they faced to notch their current record.
2. Our game falls at a watershed point in the schedule, especially if we split the previous two games (a distinct possibility).
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We've garnered some flashy D stats for the season, but against (fairly) complete teams with good QB's we've surrendered more points than my comfort zone will allow (Lions: 31, GB: 31, KC: 23 Bills: 24 [-with E.J. Manuel playing only 2/3 of the game] )
You see where I'm going here, I'm sure.
If a playoff run is truly in our cards, much of it will hinge upon our D's ability to keep the game manageable for Jason. He's not going to magically turn into Peyton Manning and carry this team on his shoulders, and he shouldn't have to. We CAN score points against the schedule we face, but our chances are greatly improved if this D can shut down quality teams with playmakers of their own.
We face Brady (who has a history of doing enough to beat us), Cutler (who is no slouch), and Geno Smith (an OK QB) behind a Jets team that isn't a 'pencil-in win,' by any means.
Knowing how other teams have stacked up against Brady would give me a baseline from which to work.
Thanks in advance,
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It's hard to argue with any of those points.
For me, the biggest key is Chud's leadership. This team knows that he has their back, and they are more than willing to go where he leads.
Further, he hasn't held his coordinators back. He has the offense, defense, and special teams all functioning as one team, and teams with a losing history can become really fractured. Chud hasn't allowed that to happen when one of the units has struggled.
I am so happy we hired him.
I saw a video with Joe Thomas on it, and he had this enormous smile on his face. I am trying to remember the last time I saw Joe smile like that 9 weeks into a season.
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Jets and Bengals. I think both beat them, no?
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Another good reason is that the Bengals choke no matter the situation and at all time.
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The Browns (4-5) are in the mix with New York Jets (5-4), Miami (4-4), Tennessee (4-4) and San Diego (4-4). The Chargers appear to have the toughest road with two games each against the Chiefs and Broncos. ============================================================================================== Our biggest concern imo is with Miami as they have the "head to head" tiebreaker on us. We "MUST" finish with a better record. We can only hope that the circus atmosphere created by the Ingognito/Martin thing throws the team in turmoil. Hate to capitalize on someone elses misfortune ( ), but if/when more stories come out and a coach or 3 happen to leave abruptly then eh......poor Phins, more turmoil. We finish with the same record as the Jets and we beat them we have the tiebreaker there. The Jets have 7 games left.................. At Bills, at Ravens, Dolphins, Raiders, at Caro, Browns, at Dolphins. The Phins have 8 Games left. At TB, Caro, Chargers, at Jets, at Stools, Pats, at Bills, Jets. The Titans have 8 Games left. Jags, Colts, at Raiders, at Colts, at Broncos, Cardinals, at Jags, Texans. The Chargers have 8 Games left. Broncos, at Phins, at Chiefs, Bengals, Giants, at Broncos, Raiders, Chiefs. Imo the Browns are a much diff team than in the 1st part of the year. 1 We had virtually no QB for the 1st 2 games(and vs GB and DET). Then we did. Then we didn't. Now we do. 2. We had virtually no passing game/#1 WR the 1st 2 weeks. Now Gordon + Campbell. 3. We had no OLine till Lauvao came back. Started to gell vs KC(week 8). 4. We traded our starting RB after week 2, creating yet another distraction. That distraction is behind us. 5. D's have played our run allowing our QB to "try to beat them". Imo they'll stop doing that soon. 6. Little had a p-poor 1st half last season and "came alive" the 2nd half. Here's saying he'll do the same, and better, this year. 7. This is the 2nd half of a season after the team installed the new O. Should feel more comfy in it the 2nd half. 8. Josh G's/Little's/Cameron's trade(s) distraction is now history/gone/fini. All thats left now is to focus. 9. Bess, although not "proven" to be cured, WILL show up for all 7 games left. Not seeing any "over the middle" throws vs the Rats cured him. 10. Ray H's D, installed on previousl teams, generally took 7-8-9 games to kick in. It's "kicked" lile a mule the last game and a half. 11. 3-4 games ago Ray H said 50% of the D was installed. If it isn't installed at 100% now no doubt much is/will being/be installed this and next week. 12. We had 3 key D injuries out for a spell(3-4-5 weeks?). We went into the bye fairly healthy with 2 weeks to get more fairly healthy. 999. We're taking a much better team, hunger/prep and talentwise into the 2nd half. 1000. This 1st year coach staff installing a new O and D reallyreallyreally cut thru a lot of poop the 1st half. And finally............ 1001. I would never say anything to the contrary on our chances till the math shakes out. 
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You can torch the Jets secondary, but you can't run the ball at all on them.
We need to beat the Bengals before I think of playoffs.
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It's really simple, we need to have AT LEAST a 9-7 record to have a chance at the POs. That means we have to win 5 of our last 7 games and that will be hard to accomplish imho. This league is very close right now and really the "on every given sunday" slogan applies to this season, heck the Buccs almost beat the Seahawks at their place, Minny won at Washington yesterday. Much toucher to predict than usual at this time of a season. Right now, I see one "semi-sure" win (JAX) and one "semi-sure" loss @NE. The rest is up for grabs and can go either way, so worst case we go 5-11 and best case we go 10-6, but the latter being more probable than the former. At the end, I think we'll be at 8-8 with the last loss coming either at NY or (hopefully not) at PIT in the last two weeks of the season, falling 2 games short of winning the North and 1 game short of the WC. This next game in Cincy is oh so important in terms of morale too. Going 5-5 with two winnable home games vs PIT and JAX coming up. A 7-5 record would make everyone realize how close this team is and then I'd expect us to make the POs, as we have a more complete team than both NYJ and PIT and could compete (and win one of) the CHI or NE games. That'd put us at 10-6 or 9-7. It is doable and the next game will decide most of it. It IS a PO-like game...in mid-November, finally.
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Same here.....it is one game at a time, though this game with Cincy is big. Something has me wanting to get a ticket and go see that in person.
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That certainly plays into our game plan. We can't run the ball on anyone.
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I'd love to see the Browns in the playoffs, nothing like layoff football in Cleveland in January,
Buttttttttttttttttttt.....
Lets just take this year one game at a time, if the chips fall that were in well than were in, if not lets hope that we see enough to enjoy our last non-playoff off season and look forward to may and the draft and free agent signings.
As for Chud, I'm estatic that we finally have a coach who wants to win, goes for the win not a coach who dosent wanna lose, there is a diffrence. I was holding out on Chud till after the season, but after last week Raven game I've seen enough...WE GOT A FREAKING COACH
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I'm just going to bask in this glow for a while. We're one laid egg against Cincy from being back on suicide/draft watch. But today the sun is shining, the grass is still kinda green, and all is right with the world.
No way do we make the playoffs this year. Of course I've been wrong about everything else this year...
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I said it at the time and I'll repeat it in this thread ... it is my opinion that our loss to Detroit (along with Cincy's lucky wins at Buffalo and Detroit) basically cost us a very good shot at winning the division.
I'm not saying we won't or can't, but that mini stretch of games really put us behind the 8 ball
Two weeks ago, a win by Pittsburgh would have put us in last place in the division, and now we're looking three weeks out to when we could be back in first place..... it's just barely past the halfway point, but things are still somewhat tight and a LOT can still happen.
Browns is the Browns
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I'm just going to bask in this glow for a while. We're one laid egg against Cincy from being back on suicide/draft watch. But today the sun is shining, the grass is still kinda green, and all is right with the world.
No way do we make the playoffs this year. Of course I've been wrong about everything else this year...
Have fun with it. It's sports. Everyone who's saying to calm down or take it a game at a time, we're freaking fans! Have a blast with this, you've only been waiting 10 freaking years.
You get your hopes up and it doesn't happen? So what. It's happened every year for the last 10 years.
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this run, regardless of what happens. You will be relevant halfway through November.
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I'm just going to bask in this glow for a while. We're one laid egg against Cincy from being back on suicide/draft watch. But today the sun is shining, the grass is still kinda green, and all is right with the world.
I like the way you phrased that. Quoted for Truth. 
I think we're on our way to another stinker of a game. I get the feeling we're in a "2 steps forward, one step back" kind of mode right now. Cinci, at their place, with Campbell showing promise is a perfect opportunity for us to lay an egg. Sorry guys, this is the Browns we're talking about.
A lot of the things I'm about to say are cliche, but here goes anyway. I like the direction we're heading. This season seems different from before. The fact that folks are chirping about us being in the hunt is refreshing and exciting. I don't think we're there yet, but the fact that we seem to be knocking on the door, and the knuckleheads in mainstream media seem to be picking up on that, is validation that we're finally, at long last, building towards something great.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Don't get ahead yourselves here the team is 4-5.
Just beat the Bengals after the break. The old "play them one game at a time" even better "one play at a time" "just do your job" "beat the guy you are supposed to beat".
Playoffs? How about a winning season.
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I do like the fact that we have a winning record in the division so far, at 2-1. I think that we can end the year with a winning record in the division. I can't remember the last time I really believed that.
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If we beat Cincinnati next week I'll believe.
This is where I'm at.
Cincy is a must win. I hope our guys come out and play that way and our coaches come out and coach that way.
We match up very well with them defensively. And two of their best defenders are hurt. Let's see who wants it more.
Absolute best possible scenario is they lose to Rats this weekend and we take them down next weekend. Dream scenario. If that happens, the excitement for the following week when we can control our own destiny will be awesome. A feeling we will not have felt that late in the season in a long time.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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This is where I'm at.
Cincy is a must win. I hope our guys come out and play that way and our coaches come out and coach that way.
We match up very well with them defensively. And two of their best defenders are hurt. Let's see who wants it more.
Absolute best possible scenario is they lose to Rats this weekend and we take them down next weekend. Dream scenario. If that happens, the excitement for the following week when we can control our own destiny will be awesome. A feeling we will not have felt that late in the season in a long time.
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THIS.
We are fans. The only ones who need to "take it one game at a time" are the players/coaches.
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Are you agreeing 2007 is a long time ago?
In football years, it sure feels like it.
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In football years, it sure feels like it.
6 years is a VERY long time to have meaningful games in November.
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A victory would be a step, a huge step, towards the playoff hope category.
... and guys, I just posted the article. Don't shoot the messenger, I agree maybe a tad early to be talkin' playoffs but again, just a messenger!
I mean PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS???????????????
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I'm just going to bask in this glow for a while. We're one laid egg against Cincy from being back on suicide/draft watch. But today the sun is shining, the grass is still kinda green, and all is right with the world.
No way do we make the playoffs this year. Of course I've been wrong about everything else this year...
Have fun with it. It's sports. Everyone who's saying to calm down or take it a game at a time, we're freaking fans! Have a blast with this, you've only been waiting 10 freaking years.
You get your hopes up and it doesn't happen? So what. It's happened every year for the last 10 years.
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this run, regardless of what happens. You will be relevant halfway through November.
It's a strange world. Usually by this time of year I'm figuring the only way to get to see my Browns in the Playoffs is for an asteroid impact during a Pittsburgh/Baltimore game and then have it skip along until it smites Cincinnati or some such foolishness. Now all I'm counting on is the Bengals to go from riding high into a melt down mode, which is not at all unreasonable to expect. All my Browns have to do is play football the way they have shown then can.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
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It's a strange world. Usually by this time of year I'm figuring the only way to get to see my Browns in the Playoffs is for an asteroid impact during a Pittsburgh/Baltimore game and then have it skip along until it smites Cincinnati or some such foolishness.
haha, colorful!
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Have fun with it. It's sports. Everyone who's saying to calm down or take it a game at a time, we're freaking fans! Have a blast with this, you've only been waiting 10 freaking years.
You get your hopes up and it doesn't happen? So what. It's happened every year for the last 10 years.
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this run, regardless of what happens. You will be relevant halfway through November.
This pretty much sums up my feelings about the team and their playoff prospects. As long as the players and the coaches are business-like about their approach, and I think they are, I don't need to be. I'm not standing in front of Walmart with an Elfy hat and Elfy shoes holding a dog bone in my mouth and a sign that says," I will work for Super Bowl tickets". But I'm allowing my self the pleasure of the team being considered a playoff contender.
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I expect the Browns to miss the playoffs and end up with a pick around 10-12. I am not in love with this group of QBs. We *may* take a QB in mid 1st... who did we end up drafting in that range?
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