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After reading everyone's posts...I still believe this team was and remains weak at OG! How could anyone count on Pinkston after his ordeal last year!? Lava is/was still very average. This is why many people though we should make an early investment at OG in the draft. Also, it makes no sense to not build around your best player (TRich). If you select a RB #3 overall in this era of football, you better provide him all the tools to be successful.

I believe it was Horton who recently stated, the best way to pressure a QB is straight up the gut pressure. Go back and watch the Lions game and you will see the OGs consistently in Weeden's lap. The eye in the sky don't lie!!!

j/c

It confuses me to hear that Pinkston is good.

Was he the best we had at the time? yes. Does that somehow make him a good G? No.

The fact that we play "the best G's we have no the roster", in no way means they are good G's.

In pass blocking we have good protection. But those saying that our G's have trouble getting any push in short yardage situations are correct. Our G's lack physicality.

I do feel people often times overrate certain players on our team. Just because someone is named the starter, it doesn't mean they're that good. It simply means they are the best choice available on our roster.

I believe that I didn't mention Greco. And all you have to do is watch the games to see that our G's get no push in short yardage situations.

I don't believe having one G that our new FO felt was worth giving a contract extension to makes anybody all warm and fuzzy about the position as a whole in terms of having two good G's and depth.

When it comes to both Lava and Pinkston, I don't see above average starting NFL G's. Greco? Average at best.

And remember, I'm talking about run blocking and getting a push in short yardage situations here.

PitDawg,

You are spot-on with your analysis. People lose sight of the term "starter!" Just because a player is named a starter doesn't mean you can't upgrade the position. For such a "strength of the team" the Browns rushing attack was #24 overall in the NFL last season.

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For such a "strength of the team" the Browns rushing attack was #24 overall in the NFL last season. . . with Pat Shurmur as the head coach.

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It's fixed.

Fixed???

j/c:

I can't believe our OL is getting so much grief on this thread. I watch a lot of games and we have the best pocket around. Weeden has a lot of room and all kinds of time to throw. Seriously, have any of you watched guys like Luck, Rodgers, and Wilson---to name just a few? They are constantly harassed.

Did you just clique yourself?

Fitting.

Also, why do I think that you want to use this observation, which I agree with the pocket that Weeden is getting is often massive and air tight, in order to set up a argument for Weeden playing poorly if he has an average night tonight?

Yes, I did............OMG.

Did you really not get suspended for calling me a "jerk" on two separate posts? Wonder why? LOL

And yeah Held........I really want Weeden to fail. You keep forgetting I am not like you. I admit it when I am wrong. You resort to name calling and bullying techniques.

I have said several times that I have been encouraged by Weeden's play this preseason. What else is there really to say?

Back to the OL.............it's been the one unit on our team that has been a strength and people rag on it while giving guys who sucked a free pass and filling the board w/excuses.

I find it odd you didn't mention Mack.Detroit plays an over,which means that many times a DT is on Mack's nose.Whenever that was Fairly,it turned into a mismatch.
Your right the eye doesn't lie,it's just that most see only what they want to see.

I believe you'll find that there hasn't been a single person who has questioned our OL's ability in pass protection. They do a fantastic job in this area.

But is it your contention that our G's are physical enough to be able to get a good push in short yardage situations? Do you contend that they create consistant holes for our RB's?

I agree that TRich had a bad habit of dancing a little to much in the backfield. I'd say that goes without question. So I'm in no way trying to excuse that. However, in many of those situations I saw, he really didn't have a hole to hit.

You must admit that you yourself have pointed out strengths and weaknesses in players as well as units on our team. Are you trying to insinuate that when you do this, that you are trying to give those players or units "grief" as you suggest those who do the same in this thread are?

I am more than willing to give our OL credit for giving Weededn a great pocket in the pass protection. Yet I'm also willing to state the obvious, that when it comes to getting a push in the middle on short yardage situations and creating consistant running lanes, the G position lacks the physical ability to get that done on a consistant basis.

I actually didn't think you were all that sold on our OL when it came to our G's. Not that they're awful, but that we did need at least one upgrade with a road grader type G that is better when it comes to run support.

Our problem in the past has been stopping the run and running the ball. My contention is that some of the problem running the ball has to do with the G's not being physical enough. Very much like you critique other players and units.

JMHO

Yes, you have. Diam and DnD were two others who were always big on the OL.

Browns are going to have a hard time moving the ball on the ground no matter who the running back is ! Credit Due : Nice job pass blocking ..

A John Moffitt thread going 7 pages...priceless!!!

Well, it has morphed into an OL thread. That is a good thing.

Good call on pointing out SF.

I just don't think we really need to bring in another guard. I thought I heard that either Lava or Pinkston or both would be back by the 3rd or 4th week. Is that right? I thought both Cousins and Gilkey played adequately last night.

We have to remember we saw Cousins fail at RT. But, you need more agility and quickness at tackle than you do at guard. Strength is very important for a RG and you can get away w/a less athletic/mobile/agile/slower position at that position than any other.

I could be wrong. Obviously, the Browns already tried bringing in one guy. I don't know.......I think we'll be fine.

Btw: I was watching Seattle's OL the other night against Green Bay. They were awful. Wilson was under constant duress and it happened quickly.

Oh.........and good call w/the sig. Skrine looked very good last night. Much improved.