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Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:13:29 -0700
Steve Doerschuk, of the Canton Repository, reports the Cleveland Browns are discussing a "ballpark" contract with Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green that would make him visit the Browns complex to gauge his interest in playing for the team.
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Well, by saying "Ballpark" contract, it means it will benefit both us and Trent....I sure hope we land Trent..he could help us A LOT. 
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let's see,, Green is being bargined with and in another development,,,, Quinn visited Cleveland yesterday,,
Article was just posted in the Draft Forum...
What's it all mean,,,, smoke or real?
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What's it all mean,,,, smoke or real?
I don't know what it means, but it isn't smoke. One did visit and we are talking to the other.
It could mean we will sign green and go another direction in the draft.
It could mean we get Green and draft Quinn who then wouldn't be under any pressure to start from day 1.
Really, those are the only two things it could mean....well....I guess we could just draft Quinn , who then could "learn" from Chuck....but that isn't a real good option IMO. Quinn might already know more than Chuck.
But we aren't bringing these guys in as part of some master plan to fool the league.
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I don't think it "means" anything.
We've explored several options at several positions. Doesn't mean we're going to do anything.
I mean,I'm pretty sure we talk to most players on the market who could possibly help our team. I also feel we usually have the higher rated prospects visit in most cases.
But it may be simply looking at and exploring options. That's neither smoke,nor is it anything set in stone one way or the other IMO
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Bro it means something you just don't want it to....lol. We have explored into aquiring 2 QBs this offseason, and have interviewed both QBs extensively available in the draft..........oh and why no visit from CJ who is the BPA according to most........kind of throws a hole in your theory there..lol. The only way that CF is our QB next year is if Green goes to the Fish, and more importantly the 2 QBs go 1 and 2. I'm not saying I agree with it, but every sign in the world at this point shows that we are seriously looking at the QBs. Now I don't think Phil will do anything stupid like give up multiple picks to move up to 1 or 2 for them, but if one falls to 3 I will all but bet at this point that he's our guy. If for some reason they go 1 and 2 then I think we get Thomas and still explore other options at this point.
What bothers me is what if we don't get Green or 1 of the 2 QBs it's going to be difficult for us to show confidence in Fry again after we've spent a good portion of the off season looking to replace him.
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"oh and why no visit from CJ who is the BPA according to most........kind of throws a hole in your theory there..lol"
I remember the contact with Braylon during his draft was less than the others. I believe he didn't visit Cleveland or Savage didn't go see him work out. Phil said he knew all he needed to about Edwards and that he didn't need to see him again.
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I just feel that Savage is doing everything he can to make the team better and that is the bottom line. We do not know what players are going to be available at number 3 right now.....we do not know what teams will give up for the number 3 pick....all that we know is that Savage has players on his list that he is going to target to make the team better. We have a lot of positions to fill.............and it looks as if Charlie does not have our coaching staffs confidence...........therefore we need more competition at the QB position. I strongly feel that Savage has a plan to draft two OL studs and both could be obtained on day two of the draft...............but who knows with Joe Thomas in the mix. I have a feeling that if Thomas is on the board at number 3...............he is our guy...............if not the QB may be the pick..........but who the hell knows with Savage at the helm! I have a lot of confidence in Opie.................look at our draft last season..........not that bad.................nobody that I know thought we would get Wimbley and have him be a stud from day one! Just rambling on.................the NFL draft..............nobody really knows for sure what players the coaches have at the top of their list..........and sometimes it takes three or four years before we know how good that kid turns out to be! It is often no more then a crap shoot..............but this time of the season is always exciting! 
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I agree we might not be interested in taking Johnson, but if he is there and we can't manage a trade down, we will probably take him.
He is one of those guys you pretty much know all you need to know and the odds of him slipping are pretty slim.
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Good, I wanted to talk to Brad Johnson, this guy is ever better!
We need a vet QB, period. No matter if we draft a QB or not.
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Hey Penn, Congrats on the game the other night man! Being a big time Buckeye fan..............and living around all the Gators fans it was tough...............twice in three months time! I have to give the Gators credit..............they were without a doubt the better team on Monday! It has been a tough week for me.................but it has also been fun! 
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........kind of throws a hole in your theory there..lol. The only way that CF is our QB next year is if Green goes to the Fish, and more importantly the 2 QBs go 1 and 2
So you're making the assumption that they already have Russel and Quinn ranked #1 and #2 on their big board because they're looking at all the options?
Hmm,interesting.
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. I'm not saying I agree with it, but every sign in the world at this point shows that we are seriously looking at the QBs.
But we're not exploring other options with that first round pick,correct? And we generaly sign everybody we explore "ballpark figures" with?
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Now I don't think Phil will do anything stupid like give up multiple picks to move up to 1 or 2 for them, but if one falls to 3 I will all but bet at this point that he's our guy.
You know,I've seen this kind of thing before. It really does mean nothing. I agree that if Green can help for THE RIGHT PRICE,he deserves as much consideration as anyone. But isn't that why you even discuss a "ball park figure"? I'm sure they wanted and did explore getting Clements too. But once again,when you put out feelers on a "ballpark price" often times you find the cost to high and you go in another direction. I think it was summed up nicely by the term "due dilligence".
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What bothers me is what if we don't get Green or 1 of the 2 QBs it's going to be difficult for us to show confidence in Fry again after we've spent a good portion of the off season looking to replace him.
Let me tell you a little secret. By the time ALL these visits are done? You won't know what the hell they're looking at! For all you know,the film on Thomas and the interview at the combines is all they needed and they're already sold on the kid. This Quinn interview may simply be plan B in case Thomas is gone by the three pick. Neither of us has enough information to go on to determine that.
They're looking at everything. That's what they get paid to do. But there's time for a lot more visits from other positions. And there will be plenty. But to assume they have their mind made up that BOTH QB's in this draft rate as franchise QB's is quite a stretch. And looking at highly rated talent doesn't mean you're "looking for a replacement". It means you're "weighing your options".
You can approach this any way you choose. But I think you're reading far more into this than there is and making pre-mature assumptions based on very little if anything to go on in those assumptions.
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Peen I can all but guarantee you that unless we interview CJ this week we won't pick him unless it's a trade down for multple picks. Nobody in this age and time is going to invest 60+ million bucks in a kid they haven't sat down and talked to.........not even at the combine......and I don't care if he's superman. We aren't going to draft him unless we have a face to face. Oh and I can't remember who said we didn't have contact with BE, but that couldn't be further from the truth. We interviewed him in the combine, and had a private visit with him. These things can't be done in secret, because the NFL only allows you so many, and they keep track of them. As a matter of fact it was pretty much a known fact that BE was the guy we wanted a week before the draft even started.............same as last year with Wimbley and Ngata those 2 where the guys we targeted........we don't try to hide it guys.
Again we might take him to trade him, but we aren't going to invest that type of money with ANYBODY who we haven't had a face to face talk and sitdown with............that's very bad business
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[quoteYou can approach this any way you choose. But I think you're reading far more into this than there is and making pre-mature assumptions based on very little if anything to go on in those assumptions. JMHO
I agree.
If Savage was not doing what he is doing he would be catching hell from most people on ths board for not doing his job correctly.
I think you cannot read anything into what is going on.
For all we know they may be considering Green to start for a year, add competition, or tutor Frye and Anderson for all we know.
I think Savage is pretty shrewd in the way he handles the draft. Noone know for sure what he is going to do.
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I think if we draft CJ, that would be good for us.
It gives us a Great player, and sends a message to BE that he cant keep being a punk
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Just because you talk to or date a woman does not mean you want to marry her or eventually will marry her. Right?
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Peen I can all but guarantee you that unless we interview CJ this week we won't pick him unless it's a trade down for multple picks. Nobody in this age and time is going to invest 60+ million bucks in a kid they haven't sat down and talked to.........not even at the combine......and I don't care if he's superman. We aren't going to draft him unless we have a face to face. Oh and I can't remember who said we didn't have contact with BE, but that couldn't be further from the truth. We interviewed him in the combine, and had a private visit with him. These things can't be done in secret, because the NFL only allows you so many, and they keep track of them. As a matter of fact it was pretty much a known fact that BE was the guy we wanted a week before the draft even started.............same as last year with Wimbley and Ngata those 2 where the guys we targeted........we don't try to hide it guys.
Again we might take him to trade him, but we aren't going to invest that type of money with ANYBODY who we haven't had a face to face talk and sitdown with............that's very bad business
I'm trying to recall...I dont think the Browns (Savage) went to Edwards' Pro Day at UM, as far as a private workout, IDK if Cleveland had him in...I know Savage went to Calvin Johnson's Pro Day.
The Browns are allowed to hold 30 private workouts.
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I thought this thread was about Willie Green. 
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LOL...........I knew this would you off bro.  Quote:
So you're making the assumption that they already have Russel and Quinn ranked #1 and #2 on their big board because they're looking at all the options?
Hmm,interesting.
Well yeah sort of...........if we deem either to be a franchise QB then yeah with our apparent lack of faith in Fry then yeah I think we've got them at the top of our board. The very top?? Imo yes, but I don't know for certain..........but I bet I'm right....lol.
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ut we're not exploring other options with that first round pick,correct? And we generaly sign everybody we explore "ballpark figures" with?
Bro your using semantics there. Of course we don't sign everyone we trade figures with............but that wasn't the point and you know it........we've looked at signing 2 QBs this offseason (and both I am sure we knew going into talks would want starter money), and our 1st 2 private workouts have been with the top QBs......that screams we want a different QB next year and you know it. Will it happen?? Who knows for certain, but if the cards fall right I would all but guarantee you that somebody not named CF will be our QB.....and that could mean getting Carr after the draft.
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Let me tell you a little secret. By the time ALL these visits are done? You won't know what the hell they're looking at! For all you know,the film on Thomas and the interview at the combines is all they needed and they're already sold on the kid. This Quinn interview may simply be plan B in case Thomas is gone by the three pick. Neither of us has enough information to go on to determine that.
Bro I've known it the last 2 years at least a week before the draft and last year 2. I also talked to a few posters in PMs that I know that both you and I respect, and they agreed that the "savage keeps it under his hat slueth" crap is just that crap. They've known it too. In today's NFL with the many different media outlets it is almost impossible to keep crap like that under your hat. Are they going to give a pre draft interview saying "we like this guy"?? No, but if you look for the signs it's quite obvious. Heck there are at least 3 guys on this board that give me insider info all the time from people who are in the know and they are right 90 % of the time. If a nobody like me get's this type of info what do you think people who get paid to get this stuff early and have real NFL contacts can find out....lol. Like I said unless history changes and we are much more tight lipped than what we've been under the current FO(now Butch did keep a lid on things.......or just pulled a rabbit out of his butt..lol) then yeah we should have a pretty good idea of who we want come the end of April in about a week maybe 2 at the most.
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I think you pretty well summed it up when you said "first two interviews". We can have up to 30. This is just the beginning and means very little. BTW- If Thomas is on the board at #3,I'll take that bet. 
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I understand what you are saying...the feeling probably runs along the lines he won't be there or he will be a good ticket to trade down. All I am saying is if for some reason we don't or can't trade down....I doubt we pass him. I just can't imagine that.... But....maybe he is #4 on our draft board. I guess if you are at #3, there is no point in talking to guys rated lower than that.....Thomas hasn't been in either....something about going fishing...seems like a odd time of the year to become unavailable?? 
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GIve me another week or 2 and I might let you have it...lol.....if a QB is on the board of course...lol. Oh and I agree right now it's all speculation until the interviews are over (at least the sure fire #3 interviews are over). Then you can usually get a pretty good idea of who it is your team truly covets........don't mean they'll get him, but they covet him. Right now I think the only thing we know is who we aren't interested in............like I told Peen we aren't going to hand a guy 60+ million without a heart to heart.
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That's about being at the draft Peen. He's going fishing on draft day. That doesn't effect visits. At least I don't think so. But I think they're already sold on Thomas and a visit may not even be needed. They did interview him at the conbines. He's a very articulate kid and I would say between film and that interview,that may very well be all they need.
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Ok, I don't have a clue as to who we will take in the draft but I'm guessing that Randy, Phil, RAC, and maybe some of the other coaches have lost faith (if they really ever had it) in our QB corp. Which, too me, means that the Browns will most likely have at least one new QB sooner rather than later.
I really think Phil likes Russell, JMO, gut feeling. However, I'm not really sure that they consider either Russell or Quinn to be a franchise type of QB? I don't think either will be the next Manning, Brady, or any other HOF'er. Again, JMO.
I think Savage would like to sign Green for a reasonable price as a backup and if Frye does not produce by mid season then Green can step in and possibly start the 2008 season also; as we see who will be available at QB in the next draft and/or FA. If that happened then I'm sure Frye would be released or traded (if we could get anything for him?)
I look for DA and Dorsey to be replaced, also, sooner rather than later. IMO Unless they feel Dorsey is an assett on the sideline with the clipboard. It was mentioned in another thread that the Browns consider him to be smart, just not exceptionally skilled at QB.
As for other players, I still want us to get Thomas, period. However, if he's gone then the QB's become more of a factor and so does Peterson and Johnson. We'll see in 3 weeks. GO BROWNS!
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OK....you are right.
If a visit by Thomas isn't needed then the same could hold for Johnson. Johnson is at least as good at what he does as Thomas is at what he does.....no??
In a few hour visit, you can't get much about a guys character....you get that by what he has done, not what he tells in a 3 hour interview. Getting a good feeling for Johnson isn't very hard once you start to look into the things is has and is doing.....plus, like you said...there is still time to bring these guys in.
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They have a visit with Joe set up, and have interviewed him already at the combine.......not with Johnson.
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If a visit by Thomas isn't needed then the same could hold for Johnson. Johnson is at least as good at what he does as Thomas is at what he does.....no??
I would have to agree with you 100% Bud!
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They have a visit with Joe set up, and have interviewed him already at the combine.......
Well if they interviewed him at the combines and have an interview set up with him,what makes you think Joe might be priority one and a QB is plan B?
It be could be either way.
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As of your right now you could very well be right............I gave you my opinion.............granted a case for or against could be made for either being # 1 on the board. Like I said I am not 100% certain yet..............just what I think based on the zilch confidence that we've shown in Fry this off season, and upon my assumpion that we don't have a good shot at getting Green. All I do know is the guys getting eliminated right now.............and Johnson is one of them........don't know why you guys think we aren't going to have private heart to heart with somebody and have and intrview INCLUDING Thomas and then give him 60 million dollars alot of it guaranteed.
Oh and they interviewed both Quinn, Russell, and Peterson at the combine and have scheduled private workouts with ALL of them.........so Joe don't have a leg up on them either. I actually prefer Joe to anybody, but am just being honest about the very real possibility that he ain't the pick come draft day.
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Jesus! I don't know what this means......and I don't think you guys do either. All this freaking speculation is bizarre. People are seeing things the way they want to see them. There is no reality here.
I gotta say this. If Savage picks Joe......that doesn't make guys like Pit and myslef right. If Savage picks Peterson, it doesn't make guys like Spectre and nc right. If Savage picks CJ or Russell, it doesn't make guys like Peen right.
Who is right won't be proven for a few years. *L* Some jokers thought they were right because they were pimping Leon a couple of years ago and Savage picked him at # 3. Well, it's becoming apparent that both they and Savage were dopes. Hell, I remember I used to argue w/people back in '99 about what the Browns should do. I had a few buds who wanted Timid. I said the Browns should trade the pick for mutlitple picks. The Browns chose Timid and my buds said they were right. LOL.....that turned out to be one of the worst draft picks in the history of the NFL.
Nothing will be proven on draft day. No poster can say they were right or wrong. There is no "manning up." I actually read that in a Draft forum thread. Man up? For what? Because the Browns picked a guy? Nah man....it will take time to prove who is right. Not that anyone will admit they were wrong anyway.
All I know is this...............this is a pivotal year for Savage and the Browns in my book. I ain't taking much more from them. Right/wrong.....pfffttttt. If they once again go after the marketing pick.............I'm gone.
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Could not agree more, I want the player to be a productive players.
First and Second round draft choices have to form the core of your team.
If you look back beyond 3 years, the cupboard is bare.
Itink Wembley is a good barometer, the feelings on his selection last year were mixed, but his play demonstrated otherwise.
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Sweet. Thanks for bringing Wimbley up. I am not feeling so good and I didn't think of mentioning him.
Quite a few people didn't like that pick, but the kid came in and played pretty damn good. It's only been a year, but most of us are NOW happy w/that draft choice.
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I never said I wanted a QB, or if it would be the "right" decision...........I said I'd be right about picking who the Browns would get. Hell you know what I thought about the Leon pick, but it was easy to see coming, becuase we all but said that's who we wanted.........it was just a matter of seeing if it was trade bait talk at that point.............you know I don't think we were right for making that pick.....I didn't then and don't now.......but it was painfully obvious a week before the draft that he was our guy.
Again bro, do you honestly think we are looking at all these QBs to get in the heads of other GMS??? I'm not for certain if it has anything to do with the draft or our 3 pick, but I am for certain that it means something. We aren't happy with Fry as our starter, and that is as plain as day. We've approached two teams about aquiring a QB (who we had to know going in wanted starter money) through trade. So we've wanted on two seperate occasions to at least entertain the idea of investing picks and starting QB money, and it doesn't mean nothing??? Nah it means something man.........whether it has anything to do with the draft is an opinion at this point, but us not being that confident in CF is a given at this point.
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Wow.. all THIS for visits ? Look.. Phil has been around a LONG time in the college ranks. Calvin Johnson has been around, Joe Thomas, Russel, Quinn, Peterson, etc, etc. You think he all ready knows the personality of these guys ? Their families, their girlfriends, their education, diet, etc. I promise you has HAS talked to Johnson. Do we need him to come and look at the color of the locker room to approve ?
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Again bro, do you honestly think we are looking at all these QBs to get in the heads of other GMS??? I'm not for certain if it has anything to do with the draft or our 3 pick, but I am for certain that it means something
excuse me for budding in
but honestly....yeah we could be...
phil wants all his options open....we could be targeting any of the top 5 players....teams are going to try and guess which one we are targeting....
if we came out and said that charlie is our starter, do you think teams would fear us taking a qb if he falls to us?
inquiring about vet backups can be a good thing too...if we get a guy like green, well he's probably gonna beat out charlie, cause he's an established qb...thats good cause i want the best qb on the field....(it will bum out my 6 year old son, but hey, thats life..) and who knows green could play for a few years, and charlie could then emerge as a more fine tuned player.....
losing dilfer was huge...we needed him around for another year...and actually that would have been all for naught, cause we are changing systems yet again...
there has been a ton of crap flying for the last month
if russel makes it to 3 we take him
wies talking up quinn to romeo...
romeo stating we'll take bpa...probably johnson
rumors of lerner saying trade up and get a qb at 2
last week it was "we aren't looking at vet qb's" ...now we are...
look for the thomas, and peterson articles to come soon...(that is if i'm forgeting some already. )
i can't wait for the draft, cause i've got a headache thinking about it...
we could be in a great position to trade down a spot or 2 and still get our guy and some extra picks too....
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I see some people are still in denial...........
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I absolutely think this is great. I hope we give up a 4th or 5th and make Trent our starting QB for the next 1-2 years. Look there are two scenarios if we get Trent: 1) He starts and can tutor Frye ( And we can selected Peterson, Thomas, or Johnson) 2) He starts and tutors Quinn or Russell (Then select some O-line help in round 2/3) I would rather see Trent getting beat up than our franchise QB Please let is get Trent 
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smoke screen.. we dont need a QB..
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