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(AP Photo/Eric Risberg, File). In this Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2012 photo, Apple CEO Tim Cook speaks during an introduction of the new iPhone 5 in San Francisco.



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By MARCY GORDON and PETER SVENSSON
AP Business Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate dragged massively profitable Apple Inc. into the debate over the U.S. tax code Tuesday, grilling CEO Tim Cook over allegations that its Irish subsidiaries help the company avoid billions in U.S. taxes.

Cook said the subsidiaries have nothing to do with reducing its U.S. taxes, a message he struggled to convey to the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

"We pay all the taxes we owe - every single dollar," Cook said. "We don't depend on tax gimmicks."

It was the first time an Apple CEO testified before Congress. Cook did so voluntarily.

The senate subcommittee released a report Monday that held up Apple as an example of the legal tax avoidance made possible by the U.S. tax code. It estimates that Apple avoided at least $3.5 billion in U.S. federal taxes in 2011 and $9 billion in 2012 by using its tax strategy, and described a complex setup involving Irish subsidiaries as being a key element of this strategy.

But Cook said the Irish subsidiaries don't reduce the company's U.S. taxes at all. Rather, the company avoids paying the 35 percent federal tax rate on profits made overseas by not bringing those profits back to the U.S., a practice it shares with other multinationals.

Apple's enormous, iPhone-fueled profits mean that it has more cash stashed overseas than any other company: $102 billion.

Cook reaffirmed Apple's position that given the current U.S. tax rate, it has no intention of bringing that cash back to the U.S. Like other companies, it has a responsibility to shareholders to pay as little as possible in taxes.

That means cash-rich Apple is, paradoxically, borrowing money to finance dividends and buybacks for its shareholders.

In effect, Apple is holding out for a lower corporate tax rate, and Cook spent some of his time in the spotlight to advocate for one, accompanied by a streamlining of the tax code to eliminate

Cook, who is more accustomed to commanding a stage in front of investors and techies than facing a congressional committee, took a defensive tone with his opening statement. He punched out words when stressing the 600,000 jobs that the company supports while adding that Apple is the nation's largest corporate taxpayer.

At the same time, Cook said he was happy to appear to be able to give Apple's side of the story.

"I'm saying it's who we are as people. ... Wherever we are, we're an American company," Cook insisted when asked about Apple's use of affiliate companies in Ireland.

He appeared with Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer and Head of Tax Operations Phillip Bullock.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the panel's chairman, said Apple's use of loopholes in the U.S. tax code is unique among multinational corporations.

Apple uses five companies located in Ireland to carry out its tax strategy, according to the Congressional report. The companies are located at the same address in Cork, Ireland, and they share members of their boards of directors. While all five companies were incorporated in Ireland, only two of them also have tax residency in that country. That means the other three aren't legally required to pay taxes in Ireland because they aren't managed or controlled in that country, in Apple's view.

The report says Apple capitalizes on a difference between U.S. and Irish rules regarding tax residency. In Ireland, a company must be managed and controlled in the country to be a tax resident. Under U.S. law, a company is a tax resident of the country in which it was established. Therefore, the Apple companies aren't tax residents of Ireland or the U.S., since they weren't incorporated in the U.S., in Apple's view.

"Apple is exploiting an absurdity," Levin said at the start of the hearing.

The core of Levin's argument is that Apple has shifted intellectual property rights, like patents, to its Irish subsidiaries, which means other divisions pay royalties to those subsidiaries for their sales.

Intellectual property rights, like patents, are Apple's "golden goose," Levin said.

Apple executives countered that the main company has kept the rights for North and South America, so only royalties for overseas sales flow to the Irish subsidiaries. Also, the Irish companies pay for some of research and development costs incurred at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, Calif.

"What Apple is doing is pretty mainstream," said accounting expert Robert Willens, in an interview.

The spotlight on Apple's tax strategy comes at a time of fevered debate in Washington over whether and how to raise revenues to help reduce the federal deficit. Many Democrats complain that the government is missing out on billions of dollars because companies are stashing profits abroad and avoiding taxes. Republicans want to cut the corporate tax rate of 35 percent and ease the tax burden on money that U.S. companies make abroad. They say the move would encourage companies to invest at home.

While the two parties agree that reform is necessary, there is little agreement about what shape it would take. Throughout the hearing, senators on the panel seized on Apple's situation to illustrate their belief that the U.S. tax system is in dire need of repair.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the issue highlighted by the Senate panel's report, unfairness in the U.S. tax code, is one of longstanding concern to President Barack Obama. Carney said Obama has long favored proposals "to ensure that American companies cannot use off-shore profit shifting to avoid paying taxes," including a proposal for a minimum tax on foreign earnings.

"This has been a major priority of his because he thinks it is inexplicable that our tax code would actually be written in a way that rewards companies for taking jobs and profits offshore, and thereby penalizes companies for doing what we want them to do, which is create jobs and opportunity here in the United States," Carney said Tuesday.

Thanks largely to the iPhone, Apple is one of the world's most profitable companies. It earned $41.7 billion in calendar year 2012. It's neck and neck with Exxon Mobil Corp. as the world's most valuable company.

However, Apple's Irish subsidiaries date back thirty years, to the time when the Macintosh computer was Apple's banner product, and its profits were a fraction of 1 percent of today's figure.

Apple's stock fell $2.74, or less than one percent, to $440.19 in Tuesday's afternoon trading.

The subcommittee also has examined the tax strategies of Microsoft Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co. and other multinational companies, finding that they too have avoided billions in U.S. taxes by shifting profits offshore and exploiting weak, ambiguous sections of the tax code. Microsoft has used "aggressive" transactions to shift assets to subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland and Singapore, in part to avoid taxes. HP has used complex offshore loan transactions worth billions while using the money to run its U.S. operations, according to the panel.

The tone of the hearing turned tense before the Apple executives appeared, as Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., an anti-tax hawk who reflects tea party sentiment, insisted that the subcommittee apologize to Apple for unfair scapegoating.

"If anyone should be on trial here it should be Congress ... for creating a bizarre and byzantine tax code," said Paul. "If you want to assign blame, this committee needs to look in the mirror and see who created that mess."

Levin countered angrily that no such apology would be forthcoming. "Apple's a great company, but no company should be able to determine how much it's going to pay in taxes ..... by using gimmicks," he said.

And Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the subcommittee's senior Republican, condemned Paul's remarks as "offensive" for accusing Levin of bullying Apple executives.

Levin called Ireland a "tax haven," an appellation Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny rejected when speaking in parliament in Dublin on Tuesday.

"We are not a tax haven. American investors quite understand that. Our (taxation system) is statutory-based and clear and transparent and effective right across the board," Kenny said.

He also denied the assertion in the subcommittee's report that Apple had negotiated an Irish corporate tax rate of less than 2 percent. All companies pay the standard rate of 12.5 percent on profits from Irish operations, the prime minister said.

"Reports of lower effective tax rates appear to arrive at their figures by running together the profits earned by group companies in Ireland and in other jurisdictions," Kenny said.


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/22306497/apples-cook-to-face-senate-questions-on-taxes


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I completely agree with Mr. Paul.
Congress is to blame, and the Apple CEO is 100% correct. His responsibility is to his shareholders, not the IRS.

What he is doing is perfectly legal, and the lawyers in Congress created those laws.... so, who do they have to be angry at but themselves?


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I didn't read the entire article. Can someone tell me where Apple is breaking the law? If they/it aren't/isn't breaking the tax law - what's the deal?

Show me a senator or house member that doesn't use the current tax laws to their advantage. If a law, or laws, were broken, fine them. If a tax law wasn't broken, what's the deal?

I'm not even saying to treat them like congress members, or cabinet members........(they get "special" treatment when they break the laws).

Did they pay what they owed, legally, according to the tax code? I

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I completely agree with Mr. Paul.
Congress is to blame, and the Apple CEO is 100% correct. His responsibility is to his shareholders, not the IRS.

What he is doing is perfectly legal, and the lawyers in Congress created those laws.... so, who do they have to be angry at but themselves?




I can't say the Apple CEO is 100% correct. He's lying through his teeth here, and trying to get kudos he hasn't earned.

But I agree with the general premise - Apple is merely following the path that's been afforded to them by our tax structure.

I'd do it.

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Ok, I'll play dumb How is he lying if he is only following us tax law?


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Well, first and foremost, he said:

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"We don't depend on tax gimmicks."




Having a corporate HQ in Ireland that has $4 billion in revenue, employs zero people, and holds it's meetings in California is absolutely a tax gimmick.

It's legal, they can do it, they should do it, but it's pretty much the definition of a tax gimmick.

And while not quite an outright lie, I definitely rolled my eyes when he said:

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"I'm saying it's who we are as people. ... Wherever we are, we're an American company," Cook insisted when asked about Apple's use of affiliate companies in Ireland.




You're an international company, genius.

And you have no allegiance to the country. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - it's not necessarily, but stop pretending like at your core you hold some dear values that keep you tied to the country.

Apple would stab the country in the back and flee if it felt the need to. Again...not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. Their allegiance shouldn't be designated to a country.

But don't pretend like it's not true.

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Quote:

Quote:

I completely agree with Mr. Paul.
Congress is to blame, and the Apple CEO is 100% correct. His responsibility is to his shareholders, not the IRS.

What he is doing is perfectly legal, and the lawyers in Congress created those laws.... so, who do they have to be angry at but themselves?




I can't say the Apple CEO is 100% correct. He's lying through his teeth here, and trying to get kudos he hasn't earned.

But I agree with the general premise - Apple is merely following the path that's been afforded to them by our tax structure.

I'd do it.




What is he lying about? The motive? Eh, no biggie. He's just not giving them ammunition for what is going to quite obviously be Congress' new witch hunt (which will serve well to further distract people from all of the actually important crap going on recently).


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I am in complete agreement. Why not just say "we followed the law in a manner that maximizes our profit margin"? They didn't write the laws, and they are business.....responsible to their shareholders to legally make as much money as possible. It's what corporations do.


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Couldn't he have just come out and said simply, "I am the CEO. My duty is to the shareholders. Shareholders want maximum profit. I am legally paying the lowest amount of taxes to ensure maximum profit."

I suppose he tried to get a marketing ploy in there somehow.

Man, it would have been interesting to see how Jobs would have handled this.


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The whole time he was testifying most of Obama's cabinet members were feverishly taking notes on how to legally avoid paying taxes...


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Any company has the right to figure out how to save money.

I think the real problem is that Companies, Corporations, and Interests group shouldn't be allowed to write the laws about taxing.

There's a reason why campaign finance was rejected.

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It amazes me that congress even wastes time with this "interview". They created the laws, they know how Apple uses them to their advantage, they would do the same thing in that position.

As DC said in differnt wording, it was probably more of a how-to seminar than an interview.


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As DC said in differnt wording, it was probably more of a how-to seminar than an interview.




That, I'd believe.


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Correct me if I"m wrong here, but doesn't it appear that Apple followed the rules as they are written? If I have that right, if the Senate doesn't want this to happen, change the laws. I'm sure Apple and other companies will follow the new rules, or find other ways of legally avoiding tax.

Tax Avoidance is legal

Tax Evasion is not.

Oh,, how come nobody brought GE in when it was reported they paid no federal tax? or did they and I just missed it.


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Cook's job is to maximize shareholder return, not make tax code.

Apple, just like most companies use the tax code in order to keep profits. All generally within the letter of the law, but certainly not the intent.

Until we reform the corporate tax code, we will continue to have the one of the highest rate, but a much lower effective tax, lower to the extent that a major corporation (see GE and Exxon), can effectively pay no corporate tax.

This is just political theater.... and pure silliness.


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GE and many others are either not paying, getting subsidies or both.

Like I said it might be legal, but then who's paying to make it legal?

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