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Yes, they could. Will they? Who knows... I've already posted my optimistic 9-7 record.
Could the Cleveland Browns Become the NFL's Biggest Surprise in 2013?
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The Cleveland Browns, an organization that has dealt with mediocrity for the past decade, has endured last place finishes while two of its division rivals have won championships. From quarterback busts to poor coaching, the franchise continues to search for an identity and a product that their loyal fan base can show their pride and joy for.
Fortunately, the years of struggle could finally come to an end in the 2013 season. The phrase "Great things come to those who wait" can evidently become true for the city of Cleveland.
When Jimmy Haslam, once a partial owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, purchased the franchise, it was clear that he was committed to bringing in a regime that offered a combination of veteran experience, along with a bright and young coach into the fold.
The additions of Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi to run the front office are acquisitions that have paid off thus far. They handed the keys of the franchise to Rob Chudzinski, the former Panthers offensive coordinator who brings a unique offensive game plan and the experience of developing a young quarterback.
They followed up those moves with two smart hires of coordinators. Norv Turner has always been best suited as an offensive minded coach, while Ray Horton is a proven commodity after witnessing the transformation of the Arizona Cardinals defense last season.
With a quality coaching staff assembled, the remaining task is to elevate one of the younger rosters in football to new heights. The Browns have stayed steady this offseason, having decided to forgo selecting another quarterback and instead allowing Brandon Weeden to win the job outright at training camp.
Instead, they have put their efforts towards improving what was already statistically a top-10 defense. The additions of Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo greatly improve the biggest weakness on their defense. The improvements of the defensive front can complement the young, talented secondary that is led by Joe Haden.
That is exactly what Horton needed, as his unit is expected to progress even more in 2013. Yet, the remaining questions fall on the offensive side of the football, which is why both Chudzinski and Turner were brought into this situation.
Time will tell if Weeden is the answer, and the upcoming season will ultimately be the deciding factor for his future. It's fair to question how much blame Weeden deserved last season, as his struggles occurred due to the lack of consistent productivity from the skill players around him.
Yet, the former first round pick is expected to grow just as his other young teammates are likely to develop. There is no denying that the Browns will utilize Trent Richardson, arguably near the plateau of elite running backs in this league. He is supported by an offensive line that is near the top half in the league, as veteran Joe Thomas continues to anchor a young group that should improve in 2013.
Then, one can look to Josh Gordon and his ability to develop into a number-one caliber receiver. His rookie season had mixed reviews because he was a raw talent who emerged from the supplemental draft. Yet, after a full year with the organization, Gordon can become that consistent deep threat, as he continues to improve his catching ability.
Alongside Gordon is tight end Jordan Cameron, who I consider to become the biggest "breakout" candidate for the Browns this season. A fourth round pick out of USC in 2011, Cameron is expected to be the top tight end this season, which could mean plenty of production coming his way. With Chudzinski's affection for productive pass-catching tight ends in Carolina, Cameron can seize the opportunity to emerge as another target for Weeden in the passing game.
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Too many declarative statements in here that aren't true. Quote:
The additions of Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi to run the front office are acquisitions that have paid off thus far.
This is an untrue statement.
I'm not saying they haven't paid off. But there is no proof to this statement.
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The additions of Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo greatly improve the biggest weakness on their defense.
The word 'should' needs to be inserted here.
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Too many declarative statements in here that aren't true.
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The additions of Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi to run the front office are acquisitions that have paid off thus far.
This is an untrue statement.
I'm not saying they haven't paid off. But there is no proof to this statement.
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The word 'should' needs to be inserted here.
I agree with everything you just said PDR,, but I still hope it's true 
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yeah i agree, i was thinking the same thing. They say we're better with 0% of precincts reporting.
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If we are better than last year we will surprise many. I think that will happen.
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Yes 
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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Until I see something on an actual field of play with pads on that gives good cause for this kind of blind giddyness, I will heed the infamous words of Chuck D & Flavor Flav:
Don't Believe The Hype.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Don't Believe The Hype.
This.
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Mediocrity? LOL......we wish. We have dealt w/being one of the worst teams in the entire NFL for the last decade +.
I don't think this guy knew much about the Browns.
Oh, and PDR----I am pro FO, but I agree w/you. We haven't proved a thing, yet.
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Until I see some success from this franchise I will never believe any hype/fluff/positive thinking. I'm glad these younger players and new coaching staff believe they will be better ... but I don't believe anything until I see it. Do I think we should be better? Yes. But I'm not holding my breath because I thought that every year since 1999.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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j/c Come On !!!! It's the freaking off season. What do you expect? For the last 14 years this is the best time of year to be a Browns Fan ... we can dream a bit. 
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I just wonder if H and H will get any credit for the foundation that was established???
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I just wonder if H and H will get any credit for the foundation that was established???
That's an overly simplistic question. Did Heckert draft some talent? Yes. Did Holmgren hire Heckert? Yes. Did the supposed QB guru Holmgren botch the QB situation by hiring Delhomme, Wallace, & drafting Colt? Absolutely. Did he completely botch the the coach hiring, lie to the fan base about the process, phone in his tenure to the tune of $40 million dollars and completely waste our time for the three years he was here? Hell yes!
In that light, how much credit do you think H&H deserve, exactly?
Does Savage get credit for Drafting Joe T? He's a big part of the foundation. Does Mangini get credit for drafting Mack? He's part of the foundation.
The current regime was smart enough to keep the players with talent to move forward for several years and cull those who weren't. Was there some talent here when they got here? Yes. But if this regime succeeds, it will be on their own merits, talent and ability, not because H&H laid "the foundation". I don't see anyone praising Singletary for Harbaugh's success. JMHO
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Depends on how Weeden performs. He will determine our record.
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Haha bro, I love your sig pic. "DMingo Unchained" - hahaha maybe we'll see Mingo in a Quintin Tortenino (sp?) film? 
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Depends on how Weeden performs. He will determine our record.
Unless Campbell starts, or replaces Weeden. Then it will be on him. Obviously it's assumed that success falls largely on excellent QB play. And on good coaching. And on proper execution by the other 21. And so on and so forth... etc. etc.
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With all the changes, I would very surprised if we got 8 wins or more. Will we be better than last year? Well, at 5 wins, there isn't much further to fall so, yeah, we should improve (at least marginally). I don't see us really surprising anybody, however. In 2014, however... 
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I just wonder if H and H will get any credit for the foundation that was established???
If you are looking for some proclamation, no.
I do think you have already seen some credit given as the team has said we have a pretty good core of talent and also have said there were a few guys who needed another year before they were going to be able to evaluate them properly.
H&H would probably still be here had Homie not brought in Rat as head coach.
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I do recall seeing in one or two pressers that Banner has acknowledged that they have a decent foundation on which to continue building.
As far as "Rat", 'peen, repeat after me: P-A-T = Pat. 
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If you are looking for some proclamation, no.
I do think you have already seen some credit given as the team has said we have a pretty good core of talent and also have said there were a few guys who needed another year before they were going to be able to evaluate them properly.
H&H would probably still be here had Homie not brought in Rat as head coach.
It just seems that the new regime is getting alot of credit for not accomplishing anything yet- and the foundation of youth is what Heckert gave them. Yeah, he botched some picks- but all in all, H and H left the team better then when they took it over. They never fixed the QB, and that is the number one reason they are gone. And yes, timid Pat did not help the cause.
We were told by H and H, that this was a 5 year building plan- so this is really year 4. I don't recall if Banner put a time line on rebuilding other then to say they will build it thru the draft, well that is what Heckert was doing.......
So we start over again. I'm as optimistic as can be with my patience running a bit thin. I do like what the browns have done in the offseason, and alot of that has to do with what they did not do- trade away young players. I hate how they addressed the db's, that is going to come back and bite them, hope i'm wrong on that one.l
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I have to agree with this. I do like a lot of moves they made..... on paper.
The problem is I've gotten carried away with believing in what looked good on paper before. It's not really this regimes fault, but after all the regime changes and hopes, I want to see it on the field before I get excited.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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jc No surprise according to Vegas, 5 wins. 
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The term "on paper" is overrated these days... look at the Dream Team Eagles. On paper they had a dynasty, on the field they had a mess...
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I have to agree with this. I do like a lot of moves they made..... on paper.
The problem is I've gotten carried away with believing in what looked good on paper before. It's not really this regimes fault, but after all the regime changes and hopes, I want to see it on the field before I get excited.
I agree with you Pit. Some people on here HATED heckerrt and holgremn but are now HEAD OVER HEALS in love with banner and lombo and they havent proved a thing yet. Say one negative comment about them and they will be all over you, but would also be all over you for defending heckerrt. Hypocrisy at its finest. In any case, the one thing that gives me hope believe it or not is RICH FARMER....if lombo actually listens to what he sais instead of listening to himself we may be in good shape here.
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It just seems that the new regime is getting alot of credit for not accomplishing anything yet- and the foundation of youth is what Heckert gave them. Yeah, he botched some picks- but all in all, H and H left the team better then when they took it over. They never fixed the QB, and that is the number one reason they are gone. And yes, timid Pat did not help the cause.
I don't think any credit that has been given the new crew is undeserved, nor over the top.
Sure, there are no wins and loses to examine, but with the things they have been charged with, in the limited time here, I think thay have done a wonderful job.
We have brought in some good players through free agency and were players for another player or two who opted elsewhere. We had a pretty good draft and switched a couple of picks to next year which has to be a better draft than this year. This may have been one of the weakest ever other than a few positions.
I don't see this as a start over at all. It is a tweak and a continuation of what we were doing. Banner and Lombardi kept their heads and ego's in check and kept several players who can't be evaluated on last year performance because I think just about everybody except Homie and maybe his mother felt Shurmer was a nimrod. I expect to see a marked improvement in Weedens play. He was strapped in to a system not suited to his skill set and in to one best suited for 1984.
I think there is a good chance the Browns could make a big leap this year, and for those who have known me over the years know I am not a big rah-rah, everything is peaches and cream poster, but right now I think a lot of things are pointing up.
To me, at least at this point, the key is how the D responds....not Weeden. Weeden is going to improve. He has a year under the belt, and will be playing in a system comfortable to him. I read somewhere he was under center more than any QB in the league.
It's about the D. We have to get off the field on 3rd downs. That's what has lost us football games over the past several season more than any other reason IMO.
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In regards to the defense getting off the field on 3rd down: I agree, this has been the problem area. The NFL is, and always will be, a 3rd down league. QB's need to make plays to keep drives alive and defenses need to stop them from making those plays. But it all starts with being able to stop the run on 1st/2nd down as well, and that is where I am skeptical. Our FO makes no bones about wanting to rush the passer and use that as our best line of defense, which is great! But we have seen little to no emphasis on stopping the run... I hardly even remember it mentioned by anybody on our staff or FO.
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IMO the coach signings are freakishly good. I can give Banner a lot of credit for that. I am crazy about Chud. I can't imagine anyone else I would want more for HC. And Turner / Horton are some damn fine frosting on that cake. I don't know about our signings or draft just yet. I think in FA they did the best they could, but I would have liked to see a CB #2. We may end up missing the playoffs due to the CB 2 position. Or Weeden may stink and we'll get 5 wins or so  In the end I think we can have a pretty average set of drafts, even busts, if we can just manage to get that elite signal caller. We already have enough pieces in place that it would compensate for any other weaknesses. (Unless the D turns early 80's Chargers bad).
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In regards to the defense getting off the field on 3rd down: I agree, this has been the problem area. The NFL is, and always will be, a 3rd down league. QB's need to make plays to keep drives alive and defenses need to stop them from making those plays. But it all starts with being able to stop the run on 1st/2nd down as well, and that is where I am skeptical. Our FO makes no bones about wanting to rush the passer and use that as our best line of defense, which is great! But we have seen little to no emphasis on stopping the run... I hardly even remember it mentioned by anybody on our staff or FO.
Nice points made, I have not heard any emphasis on stopping the run either, yet at the same time I feel that this defense has the players needed to stop the run. I think it is all on how they are utilized, Taylor, Hughes, Rubin and Wynn are all capable of doing a fine job stopping the run it will be the MLB's that will be the question.
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This is the crux of the argument if you ask me. Shurmur, Jauron and Childress versus Chud, Turner and Horton. If the coaching staff is as much of an improvement as I expect it to be, most everything else will fall into place.
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To me, if you can stop the pass, you will be able to stop the run. You'll have more guys in the box, unless you are stopping it by staying in dime package.
It's a passing league. Stop that and you will be OK.
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To me, if you can stop the pass, you will be able to stop the run. You'll have more guys in the box, unless you are stopping it by staying in dime package.
It's a passing league. Stop that and you will be OK.
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Exactly, the NFL might go back to "you must stop the run" in the future, but for now if you can't defend the pass you are utterly screwed.
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So would you guys say drafting someone like Trent at #3 overall would be considered a wasted pick? I mean look at guys like Alfred Morris, LeSean McCoy, Arian Foster, LeGarrett Blount, etc. Did we do somethng dumb by trading up and drafting Trent?
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Yes I believe that the team will be improved this year and with our schedule we should be 9-7 or better. Weeden never had a chance under Pat and now he can be a GUNSLINGER with the speed we have at wideouts and Tight end.
The guy Besse from Miami will be a beast in Norvs and Chuds offense.
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You're asking the wrong guy. I HATED doing that. I thought it was a bad decision.
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I agree it was stupid (especially trading up to do so). What are the chances Trent turns into a perennial All-Pro? Not very good IMO because his style isn't conducive to huge yards. While he will score TDs, he won't ever have huge numbers IMO. Plus, his shelf life will probably be only between 4-6 good years. Now I'm not sure who else/what else we could have done there, but perhaps Trent wasn't the smartest choice.
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So would you guys say drafting someone like Trent at #3 overall would be considered a wasted pick? I mean look at guys like Alfred Morris, LeSean McCoy, Arian Foster, LeGarrett Blount, etc. Did we do somethng dumb by trading up and drafting Trent?
I don't recall you pimping Alfredf, so is there a point you are making?
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1000x yes from me.
I'd never take a running back before the 2nd (ideally the 5th) if I had my choice. It is worth remembering Jerome Harrison is our leading rusher in recent memory. Put any running back behind a good line and they will do about as well as any guy outside the top 3 running backs. Frankly I'm not certain Hardesty isn't the better of the two backs. And are either of those guys shockingly better than Oggy or BJax?
I want an elite QB, a Randy Moss esque #1 WR, a good/great offensive line. The rest of the offense is ballast to me. And the defense isn't all that important to me either
(too much madden? )
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So would you guys say drafting someone like Trent at #3 overall would be considered a wasted pick? I mean look at guys like Alfred Morris, LeSean McCoy, Arian Foster, LeGarrett Blount, etc. Did we do somethng dumb by trading up and drafting Trent?
This was a stacked draft class and disregarding positional value, most would have Trent as the #1 player. So it was not a wasted pick. I however, would not have made it. I would have taken Tannehill at 4 and came back with Doug Martin at 21.
Honestly, it was as if Heckert was drafting for this regime when you look back. Certainly didnt do Pat any favors lol.
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