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http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/9185633/brittney-griner-comes-says-just-areBrittney Griner, the No. 1 pick in Monday's WNBA draft, acknowledged Wednesday in interviews that she is gay. Granderson: No Perfect Time For Gay NFL Player To Come Out This fuss about whether the time is right for a gay man in the NFL to come out while playing is a silly one. The time for change is never right. It's the people who are right, writes LZ Granderson. Commentary Griner, a 6-foot-8, three-time All-America center during an illustrious career at Baylor, said she has previously talked about her sexuality, but this appears to be the first time she's discussed the matter publicly. In a group interview with SI.com that included Elena Delle Donne and Skylar Diggins, the Nos. 2 and 3 picks in Monday's WNBA draft, the players were asked, in women's sports as opposed to men's, why athletes coming out is accepted. "I really couldn't give an answer on why that's so different," Griner told SI.com. "Being one that's out, it's just being who you are. Again, like I said, just be who you are." Griner said it doesn't matter what others might think of her or other gay athletes. "Don't worry about what other people are going to say, because they're always going to say something, but, if you're just true to yourself, let that shine through. Don't hide who you really are," she said. Griner also was asked by SI.com about the difficulty in coming out considering her stature as a prominent athlete. "It really wasn't too difficult," she said. "I wouldn't say I was hiding or anything like that. I've always been open about who I am and my sexuality. So, it wasn't hard at all. If I can show that I'm out and I'm fine and everything's OK, then hopefully the younger generation will definitely feel the same way." Griner finished her four-year Baylor career as the second all-time scorer in women's NCAA history with 3,283 points. She is the top shot-blocker ever, shattering both the men's and women's college marks with 748. She also had a record 18 dunks -- including 11 this season. The Associated Press also interviewed Griner, Delle Donne and Diggins, and the topic of bullying was part of the discussion. Griner said she was "picked on for being different" while also acknowledging that she is a lesbian. "Just being bigger, my sexuality, everything," she told the AP. "I overcame it and got over it. Definitely something that I am very passionate about. I want to work with kids and bring recognition to the problem, especially with the LGBT community." Griner told USA Today the day of the draft that she's been guided by the advice of her parents, who gave her the courage to open up about being gay. "My parents didn't know at the time," Griner told the newspaper. "I hadn't come out completely. It was kind of like, you know ... I just hadn't said it. My dad and my mom have always told me, 'Be who you are.' At the time, they probably weren't sure what I was interpreting that as," she said with a laugh. Good for her for being proud of who she is, I hope other closeted athletes follow her lead.
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Holy Smokes....that's gotta be nominated for the shocker of the year....who would have guessed that?!!?
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I am not going to say it, because i am sure it would get me banned
but this reminds me of a line from the Chapelle show about Rosies O'donells underwear. I think it was during one of the Player Hater Balls skits.
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Surprised, no. Glad she came out, sure. Does it matter, no.
I bet she was worried it would affect her draft spot.
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Surprised, no. Glad she came out, sure. Does it matter, no.
I bet she was worried it would affect her draft spot.
Not at all, this is pretty common in the WNBA and Womens College Bball.
We have a girl or two every year who have GF's, its no secret, their GF's come to the games and meet up with the player after the game and they walk out together, sometimes holding hands and nobody even bats an eyelash. I tend to think female athletes who are not gay, are way more tolerant and accepting than male hetero athletes.
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And so is revealed the best kept secret in sports...
Does that sound overassuming on all our parts? Because she's tall, not overly feminine and has a low voice we "knew" she was gay? What if she wasnt? We'd all feel really bad about our assumptions.
However, gay women in sports...only further the stereotypes we have for gay women in sports...
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However, gay women in sports...only further the stereotypes we have for gay women in sports...
That being more masculine in most female sports helps you be a better performer in that sport?
While being feminine in most male sports can hinder your performance(except maybe Chris Bosh)
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I'm sorry, who bully's a 6'8" 240lb anybody? I always chuckle when I see this sort of thing. It's like when super models talk about how tall and thin and beautiful they were when they kids and the other kids teased them.... Sniff sniff.
Whatev's. When I look at her I think quite possibly the first female to make the jump to the NBA. I mean if I'm a scout I'm putting together some kind of pick up games with other serious male recruits to see how she fares. Her body, athleticism and her court presence... she looks legit! Mark Cuban has basically said the same thing. She looks like a better mid-round flyer pick than a lot of guys. It'd just come down to toughness.
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Brittany Griner would get demolished in the NBA. That whole talk is the worst debate I've seen in sports.
Griner is 6'8, 208lbs
To play her position, Center, she'd be going up against guys like Dwight Howad 6'11, 265lbs.
She'd get killed down there.
Or, if you put her up against guys closer to her size, you're looking at her trying to guard a guy like LeBron at 6'8, 250lbs.
Let's stop with the "Brittany Griner can play in the NBA" talk. It's asinine.
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This is the same as someone suggesting the BCS champion could beat the worst NFL team. No. The NFL team would DESTROY the best college team. There would need to be a mercy rule.
As for Brittney coming out, meh. I don't really care but congrats for having the courage to do it.
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Doesn't bother me any... What ever makes her happy..
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I know everyone makes jokes about her, me included, but I think it's pretty cool that she just admitted it like it wasn't that big of a deal. A little bit of faith restored in humanity.
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I think it's being taken so lightly because it's just assumed, at least by me, that most WNBA players are gay. So when it's admitted by the athlete it's just confirming what I already thought. Beyond that, who cares. It's her life. Who watchess or cares about the WNBA anyway? The few games I've scanned past on TV seem to have fewer fans in the stands than might be attending any given curling match in Jamacia. 
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I think it's being taken so lightly because it's just assumed, at least by me, that most WNBA players are gay. So when it's admitted by the athlete it's just confirming what I already thought.
That may be true, but I still think it's big for her, because of how popular she is. She gets a lot of run on ESPN.
I think it's cool, but I still won't watch a second of the WNBA, because I think the WNBA is a joke and only still exists because David Stern is extremely proud and stubborn.
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Why is this news worthy?
Tom Brady came out as straight. Stop the presses!
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No they are not, not even close to the majority are.
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OK. This motivates me to come out.....it's hard to get this off my chest....everyone......I'm..... going bald!
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No! My image of you has just been ruined. 
I have to confess something too. It's hard to say but I'm.... I'm.... I'm conservative and have been ever since I've developed a political identity.
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Holy Smokes....that's gotta be nominated for the shocker of the year....who would have guessed that?!!?
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OK. This motivates me to come out.....it's hard to get this off my chest....everyone......I'm..... going bald!
I support you as you seach for answers and consider solutions such as transplant surgery.. Good luck my friend
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Brittany Griner would get demolished in the NBA. That whole talk is the worst debate I've seen in sports.
Griner is 6'8, 208lbs
To play her position, Center, she'd be going up against guys like Dwight Howad 6'11, 265lbs.
She'd get killed down there.
Or, if you put her up against guys closer to her size, you're looking at her trying to guard a guy like LeBron at 6'8, 250lbs.
Let's stop with the "Brittany Griner can play in the NBA" talk. It's asinine.
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I support you as you seach for answers and consider solutions such as transplant surgery.. Good luck my friend
Should that be in Purple?
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Yep. I'm a hairy man trapped in a bald man's body.
While I don't think you guys are saying this, I just want to make it clear just because a guy likes another guy doesn't make him want to be a female or if a girl likes a girl she doesn't want to be a man. Just saying this so no one gets the wrong idea from your posts.
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While I don't think you guys are saying this, I just want to make it clear just because a guy likes another guy doesn't make him want to be a female or if a girl likes a girl she doesn't want to be a man. Just saying this so no one gets the wrong idea from your posts.
Thank goodness your were here to clear that up! 
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I think it's being taken so lightly because it's just assumed, at least by me, that most WNBA players are gay. So when it's admitted by the athlete it's just confirming what I already thought. Beyond that, who cares. It's her life. Who watchess or cares about the WNBA anyway? The few games I've scanned past on TV seem to have fewer fans in the stands than might be attending any given curling match in Jamacia.
Why do you assume most WNBA players are gay? Because they are athletic? Some are and many are not. There are plenty of NFL and NBA players that are gay, they just haven't come out. One of these centuries a persons sexual preference won't be news..... Too bad I won't live to see it...
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I guess it was written slightly tongue in cheek. I don't assume "most'' female basketball players are gay. But I do assume there is a fair population of gays in the WNBA.
Maybe a slightly higher ratio than other pro sports leagues. And I venture to guess at any given time there's a gay man two in any NFL locker room on Sundays.
Maybe I'm wrong. Eitherway I don't think it's surprising to anyone in regards to the WNBA. Nor do I personally care. Love is love. Sex is sex. Do what you want with who you want as consenting adults. I'm not on this planet to judge.
Personally I wish we'd get past this discussion as a human race. In 20 years (hopefully sooner) we'll look back and think, "why did we waste so much time on this arguement?". The way that we look back at female voting rights and African American rights. Legal marriage and its afforded priveledges for gays is going to happen. It's the right thing to do. Let's get on to talking about things that really matter. Things that can move this country forward. Not things that hold us back.
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I wonder why anyone thinks I give a damn what they do with their junk? Honestly, its so self-absorbed and egotistical.
Well, I've posted this on here before, but coming out of the closet in the late 70s wasn't a selfish, "look at what I do with my junk" announcement. Other minorities wear their minority on their sleeves. Being gay wasn't something an average person could see. And since the average person is scared of something they don't understand, being hidden wasn't helping the equal rights movement.
So the gay community started asking each other to come out to anyone and everyone. If you and I found out our neighbor, coworker, mailman, bus driver, professional athlete or politician was gay, maybe the mystery of what a gay person is like shatters because you already knew one.
But in 2013, I think it's a little played out. I'm not minimizing what Brittney or anyone else that comes out, but I guess I just don't see the point anymore. I guess having a male professional athlete would be the only barrier to break, but who knows when that will be.
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This one is interesting for me.
Being a member of the Arts community, I've been part of a culture that has been relatively open and casual about sexual orientation for as long as I remember. Pretty much, most folks simply don't care who you bed... as long as you bring game onstage. If you can jam, you get called for the gig. That's what we care about.
As such, closets were opening much more frequently in my circles at a much earlier day and time. Personally, I never cared about it at all. I had to push back against a few propositions back in the day, but that was never much of an issue, either. Once, I had to tell a particularly insistent fellow: "Dude- how can I put it any plainer than this- I don't play for the pink team!" He just laughed, mumbled something about 'nothing ventured/nothing gained,' and left me alone after that. That's kind of how it was- even back in the '70's.
As for sports... I know it's been a different situation, but I can't get beyond my Life Experience to see why it was ever an issue for anyone. Since my private life with my wife is nobody's business but ours, why should some man and his boyfriend or some woman and her girlfriend be anybody's business, either?
Punch: as far as 'coming out' in the new millenium is concerned, I believe that there might still be a need. As we've seen in the most recent political climate, the LGBT community still has many hurdles to clear before they can enjoy ALL the rights, responsibilities and privileges afforded to "mainstream Americans." As with any movement, the more people find out about the people behind the movement, the less alien, weird and 'scary' it becomes.
Sports celebrities are pretty much the last really high-profile holdouts to this kind of disclosure, and it's still going to be huge for the first of them... not only because of their visibility, but because sports has so long been one of the last bastions that have profoundly stigmatized such orientation.
My own ethnicity, and My Family's history of social/legal/educational oppression/lack of opportunities is why I watch this movement with so much interest. Although I don't march in Gay Pride parades, or donate cash/services to the LGBT community (well... I've actually played a few concerts gratis), I'll at least speak up on their behalf when it comes to supporting a Fellow American's right to being openly who they are. If it speeds along the day when these Americans can live as 100% Americans, I'll have been doing justice, not only to them- but also paying tribute to those who risked it all for me to even have the education and job I now call my own.
For me to do any less would make me a hypocrite of the First Order. For these pros to stand up and be recognized will take a similar kind of guts, courage and strength as my forebears showed, when they braved police dogs and fire hoses in Selma, AL back in the 1960's
And hey- maybe the fact that you find it "a bit played-out" is a good thing. At the very least, it indicates that there is less stigma attached than was previously prevalent.
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Punch: as far as 'coming out' in the new millenium is concerned, I believe that there might still be a need. As we've seen in the most recent political climate, the LGBT community still has many hurdles to clear before they can enjoy ALL the rights, responsibilities and privileges afforded to "mainstream Americans." As with any movement, the more people find out about the people behind the movement, the less alien, weird and 'scary' it becomes.
Sports celebrities are pretty much the last really high-profile holdouts to this kind of disclosure, and it's still going to be huge for the first of them... not only because of their visibility, but because sports has so long been one of the last bastions that have profoundly stigmatized such orientation.
I think in the case of a Grimes, or a high profile athlete, it would be more powerful of a statement not to make a point of making some big announcement. Just go about her/their life and do their thing. Don't hide anything, or try to keep anything secret. Just do what they do, openly as any other couple would do. " are you two together"? "yes this is my partner/GF/wife, her name is" and that's it. I kind of think when you go out of your way to point it out, its almost subconsciously saying " this is not normal, so we need to make it clear what the deal is". Just be yourself, and screw the haters.
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Punch: as far as 'coming out' in the new millenium is concerned, I believe that there might still be a need. As we've seen in the most recent political climate, the LGBT community still has many hurdles to clear before they can enjoy ALL the rights, responsibilities and privileges afforded to "mainstream Americans." As with any movement, the more people find out about the people behind the movement, the less alien, weird and 'scary' it becomes.
Sports celebrities are pretty much the last really high-profile holdouts to this kind of disclosure, and it's still going to be huge for the first of them... not only because of their visibility, but because sports has so long been one of the last bastions that have profoundly stigmatized such orientation.
I think in the case of a Grimes, or a high profile athlete, it would be more powerful of a statement not to make a point of making some big announcement. Just go about her/their life and do their thing. Don't hide anything, or try to keep anything secret. Just do what they do, openly as any other couple would do. " are you two together"? "yes this is my partner/GF/wife, her name is" and that's it. I kind of think when you go out of your way to point it out, its almost subconsciously saying " this is not normal, so we need to make it clear what the deal is". Just be yourself, and screw the haters.
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I think we'll eventually get to a place and time where that will happen. Nobody will make an annoucement because nobody truly cares either way.
And Clem, I agree. We're not far enough that an annoucement is nothing because things aren't 100% equal yet. So there is still a "need" for this, but it's dropping in my opinion.
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Man I don't see it as a very large possibility...
but...Bama v. the Jags?
I just don't see that as being a blowout. In most other sports, of course...but Bama v. the Jags? They could run with em...Half their team in the past 5 years comes to the NFL and contributes immediately and get drafted in the 1st round.
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Half their team.
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Exactly. All the Jags would need to do is find the non-NFL talent on defense and pick on them. Same with offense, run towards the weak area of the Front-7. They would never be able to get off the field (well, except when the Jags would score).
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Half their team.
100% of the Jags team is getting paid to play professional football.
I don't have the numbers........but when you look at all the high school football players there are........then how small of a percentage make it do D 1 colleges (like a fraction of a percent?), they you take that number (d 1 players) that make to the nfl (again, a super small percent).......I find it hard to believe that a college team would beat an nfl team
It's basically the all stars of all stars in h.s. that play d 1, and from d 1 to the nfl, it's the all stars of the all stars that make it.
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I agree with Pete Carroll here. If anything he is underselling the difference... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ns-beating-prosQuote:
In Pete Carroll's nine seasons coaching the University of Southern California, several of his squads were so blessed with talent, they were considered semipro teams.
Given his familiarity with both the professional and college football ranks, the Seattle Seahawks coach was asked to respond to South Carolina (the other USC) coach Steve Spurrier's Wednesday comments that Alabama could "beat a couple" of NFL teams.
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"The falsehood is to think that could ever take place. It isn't even close," Carroll said at his Wednesday news conference. "Alabama has a great team, and Nick (Saban) is a fantastic coach. But when you match up the interior lines against a regular NFL team, on either side of the ball, it wouldn't even be close."
Carroll said the best collegiate talent at the skill positions (wide receiver, running back) could translate to the pro level, but all college teams would be outmatched in the trenches. He said the difference simply is maturity: Many of the players at Alabama and the top universities might one day play in the NFL, but asking kids who are 18, 19 and 20 years old to take on grown men is preposterous.
"Most of (Saban's) guys are going to play in the NFL. Most of our guys (at USC) were winding up having the chance to play. But the time that you play them, when they're still in college, they're not ready for it, in my opinion," Carroll said. "I used to say, 'Don't kid yourself. There ain't no way.' "
Carroll continued to scoff when a reporter said some of his former USC teams were said to be the NFL's 33rd team.
"I wasn't buying it," he said.
Neither were we.
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