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While I thought it was an OK movie, I thought it really lacked any real plot, and of course the dated-ness of the movie didn't help, even set in an earlier time didn't help.
You post reminded me of another movie that might fall into the same realm, The Right Stuff.
as long as we are listing out classic movies that just did not hold up over time:
Alien and Aliens
Loved those movies when I was little and they terrified me. They were so good they started their own sub-genre of high-tense alien thriller movies (with Pitch Black being my favorite of them). The problem with that distinction though is that the sub-genre has really matured and rendered those originals completed dated.
All of the tense moments and all of the twists have been done and redone so many times that they lack the hold they once had. Add in the leaps and bounds that graphics/CGI have made on movies and it absolutely killed those movies for me.
Ah well.
If you watch the Director's cut of Alien it's a much better film. I think the set design still holds up well against most modern movies. I still love the misdirection Ridley Scott used to set up the first appearance of the chest burster. What's great is that you can see actual terror in the faces of the actors. They did 2 takes of the shot. One was a "Test shot" where the actor was supposed to act like he was sick. What the other actors didn't know was that the next shot is when they started spurting blood and showed the alien.
I also appreciated it more once I knew about the symbolism behind the entire thing.
Even more I love the absolute claustrophobic feel of it. The only movie that I know of that might have done it better was "Cube".
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Alien & Aliens rock. I don't need any director's cut.
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Back to the Godfather...
Someone said that it lacked a real plot. Bahhumbug.
Everytime I watch the Godfather I catch something new or a tidbit clue to the relationships and overall storyline/background to the film. Whether it be a foreshadow of betrayal or something simple as a plot thickening sneered look from someone not on your main focus.
I suggest watching the 2nd one first and then rewatch the first one. You will be amazed at what you pick up the second time around. The depth of the original Godfather is amazing. One viewing isnt enough.
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Havent read the whole thread...but responding to your inquiries...I think theres a lot of what you saw that maybe you didnt give enough credit.
The whole concept of Michael not wanting to be that guy, then becoming that guy is rooted in a few different themes.
First...With Michael, his whole I want to be a different person, I gather is that his Dad never wanted him to be that guy, and pushed him away from that, because he felt he was the most level headed, smartest, most likely to succeed outside of the family business son.
I always saw Michael as the wanting to please his father kind of guy, and tahts what Don Corleone always wanted for him...something better. So he went and found this girl that loved him and was modernized and was that kind of a girl...that every day high hopes kinda girl.
When his dad gets shot, being the family man...father pleaser, best son...he goes to every length to protect his father, every effort to make his father's life the best. He wanted to protect his father to the greatest extent. Which brings him in, he sees that his brothers are unable to be successful in the family business because of their flaws, and he assumes it...something that I gathered he wanted from the beginning but his father pushed him away from. I look at his actions as attempts to be the best for his father that he can be.
As for the girlfriend and wife...i never saw him as all that interested in the girl...but the girl in Sicily hit him with the thunderbolt as they said. This was what he really wanted...the other girl in NY, was just a part of the life he lived to make his father happy.
the first time I watched it...I was okay with it...Not great, not awful...but upon a 2nd watch, knowing the story and knowing what happens...you can look into the story better, and its a movie thats gotten better EVERY time ive watched it to the point where its my favorite mafia movie. The 2nd is better in that its got more action, it goes deeper into the business, and Michael is just more ruthless and crazy and paranoid than his father ever was.
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It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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not that good? wow...
look at the wedding scene at the beginning of the movie. Sonny is outside and notices someone (presumably fbi) taking photos of the license plates of the guests. he goes berserk and smashes the guys camera on the ground and then pulls out a wad of cash, peels a few bills off and throws them on the ground. this scene is meant to show you that Sonny is a hothead, which is later used against him in the most famous scene of the movie.
to each his own I guess, but I put it in the top ten movies of all time.
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I hear you. Those Star Wars people get ticked when I tell them I didn't like the movies, but thought Jim Henson did a pretty good job with the characters.
Well yeah ... because it was Frank Oz that did the characters.  
I'm just yanking their chains. Despite the fact that some of those characters sure look like they could be muppets, those Star Wars freaks sure get upset when you point that out.
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I hear you. Those Star Wars people get ticked when I tell them I didn't like the movies, but thought Jim Henson did a pretty good job with the characters.
Well yeah ... because it was Frank Oz that did the characters.
I'm just yanking their chains. Despite the fact that some of those characters sure look like they could be muppets, those Star Wars freaks sure get upset when you point that out.
Why would it? Frank Oz is a muppet. He does Miss Piggy, Fuzzy Bear, Cookie Monster, Bert and Grover.
Lucas wanted Henson but Henson was busy at the time and recommended Frank Oz.
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Why would it? Frank Oz is a muppet. He does Miss Piggy, Fuzzy Bear, Cookie Monster, Bert and Grover.
Lucas wanted Henson but Henson was busy at the time and recommended Frank Oz.
Exactly ... for all intents and purposes, they were muppets. 
Frank also does the same voice for Yoda and Grover ... which makes me laugh as I can picture Yoda doing the "Neeeearrr ... Faaaaar" bit that Grover does.
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Why would it? Frank Oz is a muppet. He does Miss Piggy, Fuzzy Bear, Cookie Monster, Bert and Grover.
Lucas wanted Henson but Henson was busy at the time and recommended Frank Oz.
Exactly ... for all intents and purposes, they were muppets.
Frank also does the same voice for Yoda and Grover ... which makes me laugh as I can picture Yoda doing the "Neeeearrr ... Faaaaar" bit that Grover does.
But if he was doing at as Yoda he would say "Farther I have become.......Nearer I now am."
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I liked it but I wouldn't call it the greatest movie ever... maybe it was amazing when it first came out... but it's one that I've watched, but I don't need to go out of my way to watch again. I have trouble with really long movies as well though. Like I love the Lord of the Rings, but dang those things are long!
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I liked it but I wouldn't call it the greatest movie ever... maybe it was amazing when it first came out... but it's one that I've watched, but I don't need to go out of my way to watch again. I have trouble with really long movies as well though. Like I love the Lord of the Rings, but dang those things are long!
I agree on the long movies...I Loved the LotR trilogy as well, but I just can't sit down for 3 hours to rewatch them all the way through. For starters, I know the movies now, so sitting through the fluff to find out "what happens" next just doesn't work on re-views. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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So yeah, I get that it was made in a different era of movies, and maybe it just doesn't work well because it's a 40+ year old script. But you've also got movies like the Sound of Music and Star Wars, which still hold up pretty darn well after all this time. Both of those movies have a clear protagonist with real goals. You first grow to understand their plight and follow them through their trials and small victories and watch them grow as a character. Eventually you work to a climax where you still wonder if they'll actually succeed even after watching it 50 times.
This is the paragraph where you lost your credibility. If Star Wars and Sound of Music are your standards for good movie narratives, it's not surprising you didn't like Godfather.
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This is the paragraph where you lost your credibility. If Star Wars and Sound of Music are your standards for good movie narratives, it's not surprising you didn't like Godfather.
Well there goes your credibility too.
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This is the paragraph where you lost your credibility. If Star Wars and Sound of Music are your standards for good movie narratives, it's not surprising you didn't like Godfather.
Well there goes your credibility too.
Ha.... well, it depends on what we are talking about -- personal taste or artistic merit? (No, the two are not synonymous, as some on this board will argue.) My point is, given the choice between two opinions on the artistic merit of The Godfather, I'm inclined to attribute more credibility to someone who appreciates, say, Apocalypse Now as a great movie than I am to one who puts Star Wars forward as an equivalent artistic standard.
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