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Cleveland Browns' Joe Thomas has risen above the losing to put himself on a 'Hall of Fame path

By Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer
on January 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio – In his first six NFL seasons, Browns left tackle Joe Thomas has made annual trips to Honolulu seem as routine as ones to Baltimore, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

Heading into Sunday night’s Pro Bowl, just five players have been selected by their peers to the last five all-star games, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. But among the decorated handful -- which includes Baltimore’s Ed Reed, San Francisco’s Patrick Willis, Arizona’s Larry Fitzgerald and Dallas’ DeMarcus Ware -- Thomas holds a dubious distinction:

He’s the only one never to appear in a playoff game.

Put another way, Fitzgerald, Reed and Willis will have had as many combined Super Bowl appearances (three) in the past five seasons as Thomas has had head coaches in the same span.

Three Pro Football Hall of Fame offensive linemen said Thomas' ability to rise above the constant losing speaks highly of his talent and his prospects for the future.

“One of the things I love about Joe is the consistent effort he gives you,” former Browns and Buffalo guard Joe DeLamielleure said. “It doesn’t matter whether he’s 1-15 or 15-1, you are getting the same effort and that’s the mark of a great player.”

DeLamielleure and fellow former linemen Anthony Munoz and Dan Dierdorf believe Thomas has the potential to join them in Canton. Obviously, he needs to remain productive and healthy, unlike former Jacksonville tackle Tony Boselli, who saw a terrific start to a career cut short by injury in 2001. Thomas, meanwhile, hasn’t missed an offensive snap since being drafted by the Browns in 2007.

He has become one of 15 players to make to it to the Pro Bowl in each of his first six years. Of that select group, 13 have reached the Hall of Fame.

“Let’s not fit Joe for the yellow (HOF) jacket yet,” said Dierdorf, a Canton native. “But is he on a Hall of Fame path? Of course he is. There is no question about that.”

Thomas famously went fishing on Lake Michigan rather than attend the 2007 draft. As a rookie, he admitted to Canton aspirations, yet he said this week it’s not an all-consuming goal.

“I think about it when people ask me about it I guess,” Thomas said by phone from Hawaii. “It’s not something you think about during the season. It’s a body of work that you put together over the length of a career. I’m just focused on the next day.”

Thomas, a three-time first-team All Pro, wants more than anything to start winning. He’s eclipsed five victories only once in six years. Thomas said he’s excited to reunite with coach Rob Chudzinski, who served as Thomas’ first offensive coordinator in 2007. He hopes to avoid the fate of DeLamielleure, a six-time Pro Bowler who never won a playoff game in 13 seasons.

Thomas anchors a Browns line that figures to be the strength of the offense for the foreseeable future with center Alex Mack, a Pro Bowl alternate, and rookie Mitchell Schwartz.

“What a luxury to join a team that has a Joe Thomas,” Dierdorf said of Schwartz. “You don’t have to watch tape of anyone else. When there are few great tackles in the league, coaches will take (highlights) of those guys regardless of what teams they play for and show it to their linemen. Schwartz doesn’t have to do anything but look at the other tackle on his team. You cannot overestimate what that means for a young player.”

The three hall-of-famers all spoke of Thomas’ size (6-6, 312 pounds), long arms and athleticism. While most fans are riveted to the flight of the pass or how it’s being defended, the likes of Munoz, Dierdorf and DeLamielleure focus on the line play.

Munoz, an 11-time Pro Bowler with Cincinnati, said Thomas’ agility for his size helps set him apart. He was responsible for just three sacks and 10 quarterback hurries this season, according to ProFootballFocus.com

“I really love watching him play,” Munoz said. “He’s not one of these 340-pound guys. He’s big, but lean and he’s great to watch in space. Some guys have trouble blocking in space, but Joe is so athletic he does it very well.”

Dierdorf, a six-time Pro Bowler with the old St. Louis Cardinals, raves about Thomas’ balance. He believes offensive tackle and cornerback rely more on technique than other positions and that it’s a foundation for Thomas’ success.

“Being a technician is so important,” Dierdorf said. “You have to set the right way, your knees have to be bent to certain degree, you can only bend so much at the waist. ... His technique is one of his strongest suits.”

Thomas is one of three Browns represented in Sunday’s game. Kicker Phil Dawson is making his Pro Bowl debut, while special teams standout Josh Cribbs got in as an alternate. Dierdorf said the term “Pro Bowler” is becoming diluted because so many beg out due to injury. He added the NFL's decision to move the game to the week before the Super Bowl also has created the need for more alternates due to the fact selected players like Reed and Willis can’t participate because of Super Bowl preparations.

The CBS analyst wants historians and other chroniclers of the sport to be discriminating when describing a Pro Bowler so as not to shortchange the accomplishments of someone like Thomas.

“There are guys playing in Pro Bowls now that are fourth alternates and they get credit for being a Pro Bowler,” Dierdorf said. “I’m sorry but Pro Bowls have become completely devalued. ... They should put an asterisk next to Joe’s name to denote he’s been selected for every Pro Bowl.

“A player that good deserves that kind of distinction.”

And maybe some playoff games before his career ends.

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Barring injury, Thomas is a shoo-in in my opinion. With his work ethic, there's no reason to expect him not to sustain this level for at least another six years. It's great to see him tutoring Schwartz.
Does anyone think there's any chance that Phil Dawson could be a Hall of Famer?

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Browns still undecided on future of Phil Dawson, Joshua Cribbs

Posted by Curtis Crabtree on January 25, 2013, 1:32 AM EST

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Cleveland Browns kicker Phil Dawson and kick returner/wide receiver Joshua Cribbs are both in Hawaii this week representing the Browns in the Pro Bowl.

Whether they will remain with the Browns beyond Sunday’s game is still undetermined.

According to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, the Browns have yet to discuss the future of their free agents-to-be.

“They’ve obviously had success,” head coach Rob Chudzinski said. “We’ll just have to wait and see and see how everything fits together on that.”

Both Dawson and Cribbs will be unrestricted free agents in March. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam praised both Dawson and Cribbs for what they’ve brought to the Browns over their careers.

With Chudzinski and new general manager Michael Lombardi still settling into their new roles in the Cleveland front office, the decisions on personnel will take a few weeks to be considered.

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This is old! but worth the read.

Keep Phil Dawson, or kick yourself later: Terry Pluto
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
on December 27, 2012 at 6:24 PM, updated December 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM Print



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The Browns have to find a way to keep place-kicker Phil Dawson.
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Tell me again, why the Browns can't sign Phil Dawson?

I know, he'll be 38 on Jan. 23.

I know, he's "just a kicker."

But I also know he has become a tremendous kicker in his late 30s. And I know that while Dawson now is receiving a lot of love from the fans, he truly won't be appreciated until someone else is trying to kick into the wind, rain and sometimes snow whipping off the shores of Lake Erie.

Dawson is more than a kicker, more than the most consistent player for the Browns since 1999. He's like Dick Goddard in an orange helmet, a man who knows how to gauge and deal with those dreaded winds aloft and the mud below.

Dawson will be a free agent at the end of the season. That has been the case the past two years, and the Browns "franchised" him both times, which means he was automatically signed to a one-year deal at the average of the top five players paid at his position.

That meant $3.8 million for Dawson this season.

But if the Browns franchise Dawson a third time, it's for the average of the top five players in the league -- something like $15 million.

So that won't happen.

What should happen is new Browns CEO Joe Banner talking to Dawson's agent and figuring out at least a two-year deal.

That won't be easy for Banner, because he's a bottom-line guy.

Oakland kicker Sebastian Janikowski signed a four-year, $16 million deal in 2010. He is paid $3.2 million this season, $3.8 million in 2013. The contract was front-loaded with a lucrative signing bonus.

He is considered the highest-paid kicker.

For 11 years, David Akers kicked for the Eagles, Banner extending his contract a few times. But after the 2010 season, Akers was 36 and Banner let him leave for San Francisco as a free agent.

Akers signed a three-year, $9 million deal. His first year's pay was $4 million, counting the signing bonus. He was paid $3 million this season, and it's $2 million next year.

Remember, NFL contracts are seldom fully guaranteed, which is why they include large signing bonuses.

Let's hope Banner realizes Dawson is improving with age. Why not sign him to something like a two-year deal?

The one field goal he missed this season was deflected, as the Browns had a blocking breakdown.

Last season, the stats show Dawson was 24-of-29 on field goals. He had only one true miss; the others were either blocked or botched when long snapper Ryan Pontbriand lost his confidence.

Dawson has an 84.2 percent career conversion rate on field goals, tops in NFL history among kickers with at least 300 field goals.

In the past two years, he has kicked 13 field goals from at least 50 yards, tied with Janikowski for best in the NFL. Dawson is 13-of-14 on those long-distance boots.

There are lots of other numbers testifying to what Browns fans already know -- it makes little sense to allow Dawson to leave. That's especially true because Dawson wants to stay; he has said as much publicly and privately.

This has been a gratifying season as Dawson not only made his first Pro Bowl, but was voted the team's MVP by the local chapter of the Pro Football Writers Association.

If Dawson re-signs with the Browns, he is likely to pass Lou Groza and become the team's all-time leading scorer. Groza kicked for the Browns until he was 43, and he led the NFL in field-goal percentage at age 39.

Dawson would love to put his name in the team's record book next to that of Groza, and the Browns should find a way to make that happen.

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Not to mention, he may well be the most humble guy on the team.

The best and the most humble. Savage did that right.


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We missed out on Jamarcus Russell

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maybe not. we have the guy who drafted him and he's slimmed all the way down to 308lbs!!!!


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maybe not. we have the guy who drafted him and he's slimmed all the way down to 308lbs!!!!




We have Al Davis in house?

Someone call an exorcist!

Lombardi was fired by the Raiders before they drafted Russell. He did not make that pick in any manner whatsoever. For all we know, he may have wanted to trade the pick to us, and Davis overruled him.


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maybe not. we have the guy who drafted him and he's slimmed all the way down to 308lbs!!!!




We have Al Davis in house?

Someone call an exorcist!

Lombardi was fired by the Raiders before they drafted Russell. He did not make that pick in any manner whatsoever. For all we know, he may have wanted to trade the pick to us, and Davis overruled him.





the Raiders fired Lombardi in May of 2007. after the draft (as most scouts/FO guys that are fired are fired in May).

you are correct in that we don't know what Lombardi thought of Russell, but he was part of the team that drafted him.


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Every article I read has said that Lombardi was completely out of the process prior to that draft .... and maybe even the draft before.

He wanted no part of bringing Art Shell back, and that caused a rift between him and Al Davis.


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