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ok so its 10:17 in 'Zona any news? Gonna be a late dinner




Apparently the meeting just ended, according to multiple sources (now I'm part of the rumor mill as well, i realize) - but otherwise, we are just a rumor mill without any info...




nickbrownsfan reports according to souces the Eagles and Chip Kelly have ended their meeting. Kelly promised to meet with the Browns for Dinner before making any announcements.

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it was supposed to be announced Friday.. then Saturday night.. and now what?? damn it.. just pick a team to coach!!


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Well pitchers and catchers report Feb 20th so thats something


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ok so its 10:17 in 'Zona any news? Gonna be a late dinner




Apparently the meeting just ended, according to multiple sources (now I'm part of the rumor mill as well, i realize) - but otherwise, we are just a rumor mill without any info...




nickbrownsfan reports according to souces the Eagles and Chip Kelly have ended their meeting. Kelly promised to meet with the Browns for Dinner before making any announcements.

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nothing blew up with announcements following the end of the meeting... so plausable.
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I was also never high on Kelly. If we don't get him I won't cry or think it makes us look like bigger losers...

But if J&J stick to there plan of getting someone hired quickly without more damn interviews I'll be ticked. I want to read we're interviewing tons of other guys as soon as they're available. McCoy, Shanahan, the other Gruden, Arians, Lovie, etc...

This talk of Marrone & Kelly being neck & neck better be a bunch of nonsense....

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But if J&J stick to there plan of getting someone hired quickly without more damn interviews I'll be ticked.


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If their board was Saban, Kelly, then Marrone, what's the point in interviewing other people?


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Now the Eagles are planning on meeting again with Marrone and McCoy.

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Hey maybe Jimmy is the curse breaker and we are done "Brownsing"? I never dreamed he would leave Philly interview without a signed contract.

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Hey maybe Jimmy is the curse breaker and we are done "Brownsing"? I never dreamed he would leave Philly interview without a signed contract.

Come on Jimmy prove me wrong!!!




LOL then again I never thought after meeting with us for 7 hours he would meet with Buffalo. Im torn, big time, I hope you are right.

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But if J&J stick to there plan of getting someone hired quickly without more damn interviews I'll be ticked.


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If their board was Saban, Kelly, then Marrone, what's the point in interviewing other people?





Because "if" that is their board it's the equivalent of your top 3 favorite cars being
1) Ferrari
2) Porsche
3) Yugo

If we miss on the Porsche I'd much rather take our time to find a BMW than to just take the Yugo because he's "next on our list".

Or it reflects pretty poorly on those creating the board to put a Yugo there to begin with.


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Assumably they don't think #3 is Yugo...they were the ones who got to make the list.


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I'd say they obviously view him in a lot higher regard than a Yugo.

He is on a lot of teams short lists so they have to see something.

It's just he does seem to be a huge step below Kelly, Kelly is a home run type hire due to the positive buzz around him, Marrone is more like a single into the gap that you might be able to stretch into a double at least initially, who knows Marrone could prove to be a better coach at this level but that doesn't change the fact that at this point in time to us the fans he is a pretty blah candidate.

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Assumably they don't think #3 is Yugo...they were the ones who got to make the list.




Which goes to my last statement. If they don't think #3 is Yugo then my trust in their ability to judge a car is flushed down the toilet and we're right back where we started.


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Assumably they don't think #3 is Yugo...they were the ones who got to make the list.




Which goes to my last statement. If they don't think #3 is Yugo then my trust in their ability to judge a car is flushed down the toilet and we're right back where we started.




It's not like we're the only team interviewing him, he has a lot of interest so teams must see some potential.

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But if J&J stick to there plan of getting someone hired quickly without more damn interviews I'll be ticked.


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If their board was Saban, Kelly, then Marrone, what's the point in interviewing other people?





Because "if" that is their board it's the equivalent of your top 3 favorite cars being
1) Ferrari
2) Porsche
3) Yugo

If we miss on the Porsche I'd much rather take our time to find a BMW than to just take the Yugo because he's "next on our list".

Or it reflects pretty poorly on those creating the board to put a Yugo there to begin with.


See, I don't get the comparisons, because Kelly and Marrone are HUGE commodities in league circles. The list is more like:

1) Ferrari
2) Porsche
3) Bentley

"Yugo" is when we were the only team going after Mangini.

You can trust one thing though: If we didn't really love the likes of Kelly and Marrone, we wouldn't sign them. If we really wanted Saban, we wouldn't settle for a guy we don't really want. We'd wait. If we sign a guy, we really like the guy.


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Alright Toad, I'll bite. You're a long-time poster and I enjoy hearing your opinions on matters.

What exactly is it about Marrone that makes him more Bentley and less Yugo, other than the fact that other teams are also interviewing him?

I'm honestly interested to hear your thoughts because I see absolutely NOTHING to get excited about.


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Alright Toad, I'll bite. You're a long-time poster and I enjoy hearing your opinions on matters.

What exactly is it about Marrone that makes him more Bentley and less Yugo, other than the fact that other teams are also interviewing him?

I'm honestly interested to hear your thoughts because I see absolutely NOTHING to get excited about.




I think he's only talking about how the team sees Marrone....not how anybody else sees him.

If the team is interviewing him (twice) at this stage, they quite obviously like him.


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How much do you HONESTLY know about the guy?

He must be someone worth looking into if multiple teams are interviewing him.

That being said I still like Kelly...even though he really seems to be dragging this whole thing out...wondering if really wants to make the jump. If so hope he's worth it.

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j/c..Its getting late can we hear some news..Gonna be tomorrow afternoon or Monday morning IMO


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Are we SURE they really like him, or are they just meeting with him again because of thinking Chip is gone, or at a minimum far from a done deal, and they want to "move quickly" ?

If they're just moving to the next guy on their list without being patient and at least taking the opportunity to sit down with an Arians or Shanahan....or if they REALLY DO like Massone that much....both scenarios leave me wondering WHY?!?


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Are we SURE they really like him, or are they just meeting with him again because of thinking Chip is gone, or at a minimum far from a done deal, and they want to "move quickly" ?

If they're just moving to the next guy on their list without being patient and at least taking the opportunity to sit down with an Arians or Shanahan....or if they REALLY DO like Massone that much....both scenarios leave me wondering WHY?!?




Me too. Something doesnt tell me this was a guy very high up on their list and if they sign him of course they will say he was the guy at the top but Im not buying that.
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Maybe they don't like Kelly as much as they thought they would...they did "let him" walk out the door.

Who really knows what the hell is going on.....

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What exactly is it about Marrone that makes him more Bentley and less Yugo, other than the fact that other teams are also interviewing him?

I'm honestly interested to hear your thoughts because I see absolutely NOTHING to get excited about.



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Lucky offered a good insight on my reasoning. It's less about what I like about Marrone, and more about what the rest of the league likes about Marrone that establishes he's more Bentley than Yugo.

Even if you and I had polar-opposite viewpoints on Marrone...or any other candidate for that matter...what makes him a Bentley to Banner is reflected in how much interest there is in Marrone by the rest of the league.

I went back and did some digging, as I'm prone to do. I found that Marrone isn't just a name that popped up last night. He was on the radar of people like Schefter and Peter King a couple of months ago. That means there's something about him that people in league circles like.

However, you were likely asking me to put a positive shine on Marrone. You're open-minded...a trait that has become increasingly scarce on the boards as of late, where the new prevailing attitude appears to be one where if you don't stick to your original opinion it somehow makes you weak-minded. Couldn't be further from the truth, as the opposite is in-fact true.

So...what makes Marrone a great candidate if Kelly goes elsewhere? His resume shows that he is well-rounded, having both NFL experience as well as college experience. Some may argue...quite convincingly I'd add...that his well-rounded resume makes him a better candidate than Kelly, who has zero NFL experience.

He came to his coordinator position with the Saints at the same time Sean Payton came to power. Payton was a HUGE name at the time, and the fact Payton was willing to promote Marrone without any experience calling plays spoke volumes. Now granted, Marrone had Drew Brees and Payton still called the plays, but getting to study and learn under a guy like Payton is invaluable. However, the real test would be what he did with that knowledge. Pat Shurmur had the world in his hands with the knowledge he'd learned from all the WCO guru's that he grew up and came up around. Yet when he got the chance, he couldn't do anything with it. So what did Marrone do with his shot at Syracuse?

When he took over Syracuse, that program was one of the worst in all of D1. They were so far gone from the McNabb era that you had to go to 2001 to find a winning season. Greg Robinson was a solid coach, but his Syracuse program went 10-37 under him before Marrone got there. Marrone then compiled a 25-25 record and two bowl wins. Considering that he never got anything but the scraps that real programs didn't want, he did a helluva job there and has earned his promotion to the NFL where he's well-respected.

I won't sit here and tell you that I believe he's going to be the next great coach in the NFL. I simply don't know that because I haven't seen enough of him to form that opinion. What I will state is that if all these teams with vacancies are eye-balling him, not all of them can be wrong. There are just too many good personnel men in this league who know a good bet when they see it, and that's why he's getting all the attention. Beyond that, his resume speaks for itself. I would also note that a guy like Haslam...he's playing for keeps. A billion dollars isn't just walking-around money, hehe. He wouldn't give his blessing to sign a guy like Marrone after losing out on Saban and/or Kelly if his people...who are all connected in league circles...didn't state for a fact he's a good bet.

Do any of us really know what we'd like to know about these candidates? Very few of us do. I used to but those days are gone. All I can go by now is information gleaned from reports and heavy doses of common sense. Those reports tell me that more than just the Browns really dig Marrone, and common sense tells me that if Sean Payton loved him, and he took that experience and turned around a bottom-dwelling program like Syracuse and brought them back to respectability, and if not just two but several NFL franchises view him as a good candidate, well, that's good enough for me to believe he's legit.

That's all I got, Graff, hehe.




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not bad toad,
you have some insight into the guy which of couse as you said if we dont get Kelly is important. Ill start to dig a little more if I need to, you have made a case for him and thats what the man asked of you.

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The Eagles and Chip Kelly limbo
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The reports at this point are fairly uniform. The Philadelphia Eagles met with University of Oregon coach Chip Kelly all day and night Saturday in Phoenix, one day after it was reported that Kelly was on the verge of a deal to become the Cleveland Browns' coach. That Kelly still took eight or nine hours to meet with Eagles decision-makers Saturday likely indicates that the Eagles remained a legitimate suitor for his services as they look for a head coach. It unquestionably indicates that they have a high level of interest in hiring him to do that job.

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Where Chip Kelly stands on his coaching future might be unclear even to Chip Kelly at this hour.
Now, as CSNPhilly.com reports here, the Eagles still retain plans to meet Sunday with Syracuse coach Doug Marrone and Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. If you choose, you can read into that the idea that they don't like their chances with Kelly and are moving on to other options. In reality, no one really knows, possibly even Kelly, who could still spurn both the Browns and Eagles and go back to Oregon, which is a pretty well-funded outfit it its own right and likely doesn't want him to leave.

There are certainly people on Kelly's side who would like to see their man benefit from the appearance of serious interest from multiple teams, and if he's negotiating with the Browns, for example, and trying to get the best possible deal from them, a nine-hour meeting with the Eagles could be just the thing to trigger that. If he really wanted the Eagles all along, getting the word out Friday that he was closing in on a Browns deal likely improved whatever proposal the Eagles were already planning to make him Saturday.

There are also, undoubtedly, people on the Eagles' side of this who, if the team is seriously negotiating with Kelly, know the team's bargaining position would benefit from his finding out that they're still looking at other candidates.

Point is, there are a lot of agendas at work here. I believe that Kelly is going to leave Oregon for the NFL. I believe the Eagles have some level of interest in making him their coach, and that he has at some point in this process had some level of interest in doing just that. But I hesitate to jump to any conclusions as long as so many competing reports are coming in from so many different places.

The folks who cover the Eagles in the Philadelphia media are doing a good job trying not to blow with the wind on this and instead give you the information they have without simply serving as mouthpieces for one side or the other. My advice to you Eagles fans who are reading this is to be patient, and as careful and judicious with your consumption of the information as the trustworthy Eagles news outlets are being with their dissemination of it.

I know it's difficult. I know it's no fun. I know you want answers now, and that you want to parse every scrap of information for meaning and portent. But the fact is, these things almost always take more time than fans want them to take. There are a number of reasons for that, not the least of which is that, even after decisions are made, these remain complex, multi-year, multi-million-dollar deals that take time and care to fully complete. Someone's going to coach the Eagles next year. It could be Chip Kelly. But after two days' worth of breathless updates that seemed to be pointing to a conclusion, we're all still left to wait to find out the final answer. Might not come that soon, either, sorry to say.


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Sounds like they are doing the same as us (fan wise) waiting and trying to get any kind of feel for the situation as we can. Darn this is a long night. Hope we get this done.


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It won't happen tonight, but I'll tell you what...Kelly and Dunn are pushing as hard as I've ever seen a guy push. They are taking this act in trying to get the biggest deal possible to the absolute limit. So far, it's working. However, if Kelly doesn't watch it, one of these teams is going to let their ego's get the best of them, throw up their hands, tell Dunn to go screw himself, and sign Marrone.

A guy like Kelly is THE hot commodity right now, but that leverage play can only be pushed so far before a team breaks.

If it doesn't happen tomorrow, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see either the Eagles or Browns sign Marrone first.


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It's less about what I like about Marrone, and more about what the rest of the league likes about Marrone that establishes he's more Bentley than Yugo.




A lot more people drive Honda Accords than Bentley's or Ferrari's. Just because it si a more popular car doesn't make it better.


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It's less about what I like about Marrone, and more about what the rest of the league likes about Marrone that establishes he's more Bentley than Yugo.




A lot more people drive Honda Accords than Bentley's or Ferrari's. Just because it si a more popular car doesn't make it better.




I got on someone else about this and its becoming annoying to me at least. You cant pull 1 sentance out of a post and not use it in context.
what he said made total sense to what his whole post was about.

If you notice the better posters around here will either quote the whole thing or break it down piece by piece.

Maybe im getting old or maybe im just grumpy waiting for news on Kelly. Either way I stand by what I say.


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The Eagles' interview with Chip Kelly lasted approximately nine hours and extended well into Saturday night, but there was no resolution on whether he would select the Birds, Browns or stay at Oregon, a source close to the situation said.

Kelly met with the Browns and Bills on Friday, although Buffalo was never considered a serious contender. The Eagles flew to Phoenx, Ariz. to meet with the Oregon coach a day later. There were reports on Friday that the Browns were close to landing Kelly, but an NFL source said that he would not make a decision until after he had gone through all three promised interviews.

Kelly, 49, has been at the top of the Eagles' list, NFL sources have told the Inquirer for weeks. The team's interest was likely verified by Saturday's long meeting. The Browns, too, had narrowed their sights on Kelly.

It set up a showdown between Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and his long-time friend and former Eagles president Joe Banner. One can only imagine the stops each pulled to get Kelly to be their next head coach.

Both teams have interviewed other candidates and still have several scheduled. The Eagles have already interviewed Penn State's Bill O'Brien, Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and Falcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong.

They are set to meet with Syracuse coach Doug Marrone tomorrow in Phoenix, and then fly to Denver to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. They have requested and been granted permission to interview Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley following their Sunday playoff games.

The Eagles have also requested to interview Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden.

The Browns have already interviewed O'Brien, Marrone, Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton and former Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt.

The Browns were reportedly scheduled to have dinner with Kelly after he had lunch with the Eagles, but it was unclear if they ever met.





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It was an eleven paragraph post and I quoted all that was pertinent to the point I was trying to make which was just because something is popular doesn't make it better.

Personally I hate when long posts get quoted completely when numerous points are made but only one is addressed in the response. If 'Toad thinks that my pulling out this one sentence from his post misrepresents what he was saying then I am more than happy to go back and re-quote his entire post and then re-state my comment.


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I dont like the college route but Marrone might be the right guy.




I don't mind the college route as long as there is some NFL experience to go along with it. Marrone fits that bill for me.

I know one thing, IF the Eagles land Kelly and we end up with Marrone? And if Marrone is a success and Kelly's "innovative, new O" falls flat on its face, there will be a lot of crow to be eaten around here!



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