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Could it be that he recruits those type of players and adapts his offense to those types because he was smart enough to know he will not be able to compete with USC,Alabama etc. when it comes to recruiting. It seems like USC is at the top of the recruiting class every year and he has managed to beat them a couple of times. I don't know if he is the right guy or not but I think one of our big problems was coaches that tried to force players to adapt to their strict system/ philosophy. I just want a guy that is smart enough to know that you have to play to the strengths of what you have.
He recruits those guys because that's what makes his system go. Ever since he started it. It's not like the guy ran an I-Back set for 5 years at Wisconsin then adapted slowly to the read option. He's been running it since his days of coaching at powerhouses like Johns Hopkins and New Hampshire. You know just before his job at Oregon. Now onto the pros!... With another team thank you.
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The only way Arians has a shot is if we whiff on about three or four other guys (At least Kelly, O'Brien, and Marrone all seem to be ahead of him).
I mean, this is all guess work of course, But look at it for a moment.
Ariens was instrumental in Developing Payton Manning. Under him, Tim Couch had his one decent year. Big Ben isn't the same without him and there is NO denying what he accomplished with Indy this season.
He's a leader and motivator and comes from the offensive side of the ball where we actually need the most work. His style of O is something that I think that Weeden can make work. Richardson should flourish in it, Gordon, Little and Benjeman should do well in it.
Oh,,, and he has lots of college and NFL experience. AND he knows our division.
Not to mention he has ties to Haslam from the Steelers. (that might actually backfire on him because the Steelers didn't resign Ariens as OC so there may be a back story there that we don't know the details of)
So, yeah, I think he should be up there in consideration.
I think he fits the mold very well as long as there isn't anything there from the Pittsburgh days that turns Haslam off.
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I will not argue Arians credentials. He has been very successful since he left Cleveland. I just haven't seen his name come up with regards to our job. It's all about Kelly with O'Brien as the second option.
The one major thing he has against him is his age. He is currently 60 years old. I believe that our front office wants someone who can be around long term, unless they could get Saban, and hiring a 60 year old coach doesn't fit that criteria.
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Could it be that he recruits those type of players and adapts his offense to those types because he was smart enough to know he will not be able to compete with USC,Alabama etc. when it comes to recruiting. It seems like USC is at the top of the recruiting class every year and he has managed to beat them a couple of times. I don't know if he is the right guy or not but I think one of our big problems was coaches that tried to force players to adapt to their strict system/ philosophy. I just want a guy that is smart enough to know that you have to play to the strengths of what you have.
He recruits those guys because that's what makes his system go. Ever since he started it. It's not like the guy ran an I-Back set for 5 years at Wisconsin then adapted slowly to the read option. He's been running it since his days of coaching at powerhouses like Johns Hopkins and New Hampshire. You know just before his job at Oregon. Now onto the pros!... With another team thank you.
There are already a lot of spread concepts in the NFL.. shotgun and 3+ WR sets are normal now. New England often runs no huddle with their smurfs (Woodhead, Welker, Branch) and they have had a top offense for 5+ years running. Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers are all top 5 rushing teams in part because of incorporating some read option into their offense, and they are all playoff teams despite 1st and 2nd year QBs. I'm not saying that I want a read option based offense, but a little creativity would be welcome.
And like others have said, I'm confident he can make changes to his scheme and/or personnel to match up with NFL teams.
What I would like to see happen is Chip Kelly to be hired as head coach. Keep the defensive staff including Jauron and Rhodes in place. Maybe give them some extra responsibilities e.g. make Jauron assistant head coach as well. Keeping that veteran presence should go a long way to making up for what Kelly lacks in NFL experience.
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I will not argue Arians credentials. He has been very successful since he left Cleveland. I just haven't seen his name come up with regards to our job. It's all about Kelly with O'Brien as the second option.
The one major thing he has against him is his age. He is currently 60 years old. I believe that our front office wants someone who can be around long term, unless they could get Saban, and hiring a 60 year old coach doesn't fit that criteria.
Yeah,,, at 60 you might as well throw him on the garbage dump.....LOL by the way, I'm 60. 
I get what your saying, Ariens would only be a 5 to 8 year coach but it would give a foundation and the ability to find the Long Term future at QB and maybe even develop his successor.
But you are probably right.. they'll pass on him
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The one major thing he has against him is his age. He is currently 60 years old.
So that mean he will only be 62 when Haslem fires him.. 
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I think the thing people are forgetting about Chip is he has been extremely successful in college running this revolutionary offense of his. This does not mean he can only run one type of offense, it just means he has put his team in the best position that he can to win games using the resources around him.
Good coaches are the ones like Belicheck who adjusts to what he has and coaches his players up tremendously on the system at hand and gets perfection out of them week in and week out.
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There are already a lot of spread concepts in the NFL.. shotgun and 3+ WR sets are normal now. New England often runs no huddle with their smurfs (Woodhead, Welker, Branch) and they have had a top offense for 5+ years running. Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers are all top 5 rushing teams in part because of incorporating some read option into their offense, and they are all playoff teams despite 1st and 2nd year QBs. I'm not saying that I want a read option based offense, but a little creativity would be welcome.
New England goes as Brady goes. Brady is a HOF QB. One of the best ever. Woodhead, Welker, and Branch are nothing without him. Not the other way around. This arguement can't be made. We have no Brady. There are only 2 'Brady's' in the league at this time. Weeden isn't one. Do you think for a second that Woodhead would be anything in this league if he was on our squad? We have him. Cooper. Put cooper on the Pats and see what he does. As to putting Woodhead with us.
The 49ers were a top rushing team because of Gore. They were one last year and the year before and the year before... Because of Gore. Not the read option.
The Seahags were a top rushing team because of Lynch. Not the read option.
Kelly plays 'Madden football'. Go for it on forth down, run the score up on lesser opponents. The mindless masses drool over it. The fans cheer. My argument is It's a lot of sparkle but if you ask me it's built of tinfoil, not diamonds.
Maybe Kelly is a genius but if you ask me it's for his choice of system and more so for his choice of where he's used it. If he'd had gone to the south he'd be just another Clemson coach trying to make it work. Instead he chose Oregon. Where Nike's money and marketing could help him recruit for his system in a conference that plays little defense and has only one other powerhouse program. And now he's going to parlay that into an NFL job. Genius!
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Yeah,,, at 60 you might as well throw him on the garbage dump.....LOL by the way, I'm 60.
Yeah, and you've already been in the garbage dump for a long time... 
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I think the thing people are forgetting about Chip is he has been extremely successful in college running this revolutionary offense of his. This does not mean he can only run one type of offense, it just means he has put his team in the best position that he can to win games using the resources around him.
There is nothing in any part of his bio that says he has ever run any other kind of offense.
From his initial OC job at New Hampshire to his OC job at Oregon to his HC job at Oregon... it's always been fast paced spread offense that racks up yards and points.....
So this doesn't mean he doesn't know any other kind of offense, but if he does, he's never used it... in 13 years...
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He's not my #1 choice but I think he knows his system well enough to make it fit the NFL.
Keep Jauron and he has experience to backhim up.
Mike McCoy is my #1
Shanahan should be entertained as well.
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I would like to find a bonified Offensive Line Coach !
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So just to start a dialogue...
Kelly hasn't been an A+ recruiter.
Kelly has an up tempo unique offense.
Kelly is sought out by the top level coaches to learn from.
Kelly pulverizes lesser talented teams
Kelly routinely beats similarly talented teams.
Kelly has often lost against superior talent.
My takeaway is that we'd have some creativity on offense.
It'd be interesting to watch at the very least from an intellectual level.
We have a talented team that stacks up from a talent perspective with most of the NFL, absent QB.
With similar talent he's shown to be a consistent winner.
I'd be interested for sure.
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Kelly interviews on Friday. Link Speculation to that whoever Kelly head coaches, he will target Clemson QB Tajh Boyd.
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Kelly pulverizes lesser talented teams
Kelly routinely beats similarly talented teams.
Kelly has often lost against superior talent.
Unfortunately, since we've been back, those first two categories have pretty small populations.
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There are already a lot of spread concepts in the NFL.. shotgun and 3+ WR sets are normal now. New England often runs no huddle with their smurfs (Woodhead, Welker, Branch) and they have had a top offense for 5+ years running. Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers are all top 5 rushing teams in part because of incorporating some read option into their offense, and they are all playoff teams despite 1st and 2nd year QBs. I'm not saying that I want a read option based offense, but a little creativity would be welcome.
New England goes as Brady goes. Brady is a HOF QB. One of the best ever. Woodhead, Welker, and Branch are nothing without him. Not the other way around. This arguement can't be made. We have no Brady. There are only 2 'Brady's' in the league at this time. Weeden isn't one. Do you think for a second that Woodhead would be anything in this league if he was on our squad? We have him. Cooper. Put cooper on the Pats and see what he does. As to putting Woodhead with us.
The 49ers were a top rushing team because of Gore. They were one last year and the year before and the year before... Because of Gore. Not the read option.
The Seahags were a top rushing team because of Lynch. Not the read option.
Kelly plays 'Madden football'. Go for it on forth down, run the score up on lesser opponents. The mindless masses drool over it. The fans cheer. My argument is It's a lot of sparkle but if you ask me it's built of tinfoil, not diamonds.
Maybe Kelly is a genius but if you ask me it's for his choice of system and more so for his choice of where he's used it. If he'd had gone to the south he'd be just another Clemson coach trying to make it work. Instead he chose Oregon. Where Nike's money and marketing could help him recruit for his system in a conference that plays little defense and has only one other powerhouse program. And now he's going to parlay that into an NFL job. Genius!
In fairness, the Pats did go 11-5 in 2008 with Matt Cassel... that is, first year starter Matt Cassel who hadn't played since high school. I agree with you though. New England goes as Brady goes. That '08 team could have gone down as one of the best of all time. A huge part of the Pats success is how far their QB can take them, just like the Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Ravens, Steelers, Browns...... catch my drift? That isn't unique to the Pats...
And you're right... Brandon Weeden isn't Tom Brady. In fact, Brandon Weeden isn't even a top 5 rookie QB, and that's not even taking age into consideration. If we were to trade Weeden in the off-season, and I'm not saying that we should, we would get a mid-round pick at best for him. Soon to be 30 year old developmental QBs just aren't that valuable, lol. You obviously give him a chance in 2013, if he develops into a legit starter great, if not.... well hopefully you didn't hitch your wagon to him so to speak.
Going for it on 4th down like Chip Kelly does is not borne out of Madden but statistical analysis and game models. So assuming relatively normal game situations like 1 score game in the 1st and 3rd quarters, going for it on 4th and 1 will almost always be correct in the NFL, even on your own side of the field. In Madden, due to ease of conversion and roided offenses, maybe that's 4th and 10 or so (I haven't played Madden in a while, but I used to.) Obviously that would be suicidal in the NFL.
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Kelly plays 'Madden football'. Go for it on forth down,
That's not Madden Football. That's proven, statistically, the smart thing to do in some situations.
Personally, I love his aggressiveness in short yardage situations.
you had a good run Hank.
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Kelly interviews on Friday.
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Speculation to that whoever Kelly head coaches, he will target Clemson QB Tajh Boyd.
Ward has good things to say about him,,,,,
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I was watching some highlights of EJ Manuel and thought he might be a good fit if we where to get Kelley. Providing Weeden is determined not to be the answer.
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I have a suspicion that Kelly is smart enough to adapt his offense to the NFL and not just try to copy it exactly. I also think that he would have killed for a Trent Richardson at Oregon or even a Josh Gordon. Finally, one of the benefits of running a system like his is that you can get "your" guys with lower round picks, thus freeing up some of your higher picks for D. I mean, is Tahj Boyd even mocked in the first 3 round?
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I mean, is Tahj Boyd even mocked in the first 3 round?
In a class this weak, what Boyd did against LSU is going to drive his stock up to unreasonable heights... maybe his combine and personal workouts will bring it back down but right now, it's at an all time high.... and by all time high, I'm thinking late first early second round... not worth it.
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1.) Doug Marrone (Syracuse)
2.) Dirk Koetter (OC of Atlanta Falcons) <-- Signed Extenstion, will not interview for HC Jobs.
3.) Ray Horton (DC of Arizona Cardinals) <-- Possible Rooney Rule Compliance
4.) Chip Kelly (Oregon) <-- Friday (1/4/2013)
Updated as far as I know.
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I'm not a big fan of Manuel. He's too inconsistent for me and not spectacular when good. I like Boyd better if we're looking for a new QB this year, and if I'm willing to take a shot on someone inconsistent I'd rather take Bray who can put up 450 when he's on.
No to Glennon, he's a Weeden clone and already on the roster... when i was watching NC State earlier this year I thought he might be a good backup to Weeden
No to Tyler Wilson, don't like how he called out his teammates at all and didn't even perform all that well
Aaron Murray, maybe, he seems least offensive of the options but doesn't have the arm of the other guys
Geno Smith, up and down season kind of scares me but I think we'll be fortunate and not have to make the decision of whether or not to take him (with KC and JAX picking ahead of us)
Nassib I've never seen play.
Landry Jones no thanks.
Zac Dysert played who he played, but really wasn't that impressive in the couple of shots he got v. OSU and BSU... not the kind of guy I want to turn the keys over to.
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I was watching some highlights of EJ Manuel and thought he might be a good fit if we where to get Kelley. Providing Weeden is determined not to be the answer.
You know, I watched EJ Manuel a few times (may be because of his name I hoped I'd think he'd be a great player) and he really doesn't do it for me at all. When I watch him verses a top-notch college QB i'm really unimpressed.
Best QBs I've ever seen in college IMO were probably Ben Rothlisberger, Michael Vick, and Andrew Luck. They were magical. There are other players who I thought were very good, but none that caliber. EJ Manuel doesn't even fall in the very good category. He's decent, I'd love him at UConn, but I don't see him as an NFL player.
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I have a suspicion that Kelly is smart enough to adapt his offense to the NFL and not just try to copy it exactly. I also think that he would have killed for a Trent Richardson at Oregon or even a Josh Gordon. Finally, one of the benefits of running a system like his is that you can get "your" guys with lower round picks, thus freeing up some of your higher picks for D. I mean, is Tahj Boyd even mocked in the first 3 round?
I think he has not been expected to come out, but he's played great all season. He's got the 4th-highest passer rating in the country. Sure, he's got as good of weapons as anyone, but the kid can play.
*edit* looking back, though, LSU is the only good team they've beaten all year.
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At first, I thought that Haslam's desire to add a "dome" over the Cleveland Browns Stadium was to make the product (game) more exciting and enjoyable (which would also include adding Field Turf).
However, now I think it could be a part of a long standing plan which involves modernizing the Cleveland Browns, including the product, which is leaning towards a fast, high octane offense, which would only be helped by a "dome".
Just rambling on...
Lastly, I just want a winner in Cleveland. Something exciting to watch.
Lastly, why no reports of McCoy interest by Cleveland?
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*edit* looking back, though, LSU is the only good team they've beaten all year.
Maybe but he put up 37 against FSU in a loss, it's not his fault his defense couldn't stop anybody. It's also not his fault that Virginia Tech was down.. or that Auburn was down... He beat Auburn the year before, he beat FSU the year before, he beat Virginia Tech the year before (twice)....
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that's true, thanks... like I said I do like Boyd the best of the potentials in this draft I just wanted to make sure the credit i was giving him was well-founded.
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Kelly is sought out by the top level coaches to learn from.
This points to what excites me most about Chip Kelly. Not only does he have a passion for learning and tries to learn from others, top minds go to learn from HIM. When you're getting your brain picked by the likes of Belichick, Gruden, Carroll, etc. it says volumes. The NFL is full of copycats and thin on innovators. Kelly is an innovator. People rave about his gameplans, strategies and even practices. Who cares if his offense doesn't exactly translate to the NFL game? He'll adapt. He'll be creative. He'll figure out new ways to win.
If Kelly succeeds, he could change the league and be the driver of that change. Imagine the Browns being a leader in offensive innovation instead of a bad follower or even worse, another guy (Shurmur) with worn and tired football concepts who refuses to adapt them to a changing game. Sure, there's a chance it doesn't work... if it doesn't, there will always be another hot coordinator or retread to scoop up in a few years. Rarely though does a guy like Chip Kelly come along. We need to take a shot.
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I like the idea of a very fast-paced offense. I remember watching a number of Oklahoma St. games because of my man crush on Justin Blackmon. Well, Weeden was the QB, and he didn't seem to have a problem leading those 2 minutes 80 yard TD drives.
Believe me, I understand the NFL is different. I just don't see why we're always so slow paced.
Maybe Kelly (or another HC) can get us to that point. It would at least be exciting to watch.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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He has all of the tools, he's shorter than you would like so be prepared for the .. "But look what Russell Wilson did..." comparisons... good enough arm strength, very tough kid... the big knock on him is his consistency.
I don't think going into the draft there will be any consensus on him because of his inconsistency... and it only takes one team to overvalue him to make him gone early in a weak QB class...
His comparison to Russell Wilson and the success he had this year, plus his great performance against LSU will drive his draft stock up beyond where it probably should be...
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However, now I think it could be a part of a long standing plan which involves modernizing the Cleveland Browns, including the product, which is leaning towards a fast, high octane offense, which would only be helped by a "dome".
Haslam is in Arizona pitching this like crazy!!! He knows the weather in Cleveland alters game plans far too much in the winter months..
someone else mentioned that we could get Kelly's "guys" in the later rounds.. I agree w/ this as well. If he wants speed, it will be there on day 2 and 3.
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Well lets take Boyd in the first round then even though he's not an NFL level QB. Then when he fails, Kelly can proclaim it's because of the QB not the system. Just think, in two more years we can draft Mariota who runs the three card monty offense for Kelly now. Then when he fails, because he's not an NFL QB either, we can run Kelly out of town for losing... then start the whole reboot over. Sounds like a great plan. By then any talent we currently have should be retired, ready to move on for all the losing, or run off because they didn't fit the now failed system. Awesome. Great plan.
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We'll see... Spurrier was an "innovator" too. There's just as likely a chance Kelley will turn out to be Spurrier 2.0 as there is of him being an agent of change in this league. Time will tell. I kinda' hope some other team takes on this experiment, but one thing is for sure: something spectacular could happen (either way).
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Well lets take Boyd in the first round then even though he's not an NFL level QB. Then when he fails, Kelly can proclaim it's because of the QB not the system. Just think, in two more years we can draft Mariota who runs the three card monty offense for Kelly now. Then when he fails, because he's not an NFL QB either, we can run Kelly out of town for losing... then start the whole reboot over. Sounds like a great plan. By then any talent we currently have should be retired, ready to move on for all the losing, or run off because they didn't fit the now failed system. Awesome. Great plan.
all the other plans failed.. so why not give Kelly a chance? b/c most think its a gimmick and won't work in the NFL.
by the way.. Boyd will get drafted in the 1st round. if not by us.. by someone else.
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However, now I think it could be a part of a long standing plan which involves modernizing the Cleveland Browns, including the product, which is leaning towards a fast, high octane offense, which would only be helped by a "dome".
Haslam is in Arizona pitching this like crazy!!! He knows the weather in Cleveland alters game plans far too much in the winter months..
someone else mentioned that we could get Kelly's "guys" in the later rounds.. I agree w/ this as well. If he wants speed, it will be there on day 2 and 3.
Sure his track stars will be there. All 5'7" 175 pounds of them. The Steelers LB core can't wait. Ray Lewis may come out of retirement just for the fun of driving a bunch of midgets into the ground for a few more seasons. Lets fill our roster with a bunch of three star college players and go bang heads with the big boys. It's worked well for the Ducks. Again look at their record against Auburn, Stanford, and OSU. 
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Spurrier also didn't want to put in the hours necessary to be a success in the NFL. That won't be a problem with Kelly.
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We'll see... Spurrier was an "innovator" too. There's just as likely a chance Kelley will turn out to be Spurrier 2.0 as there is of him being an agent of change in this league. Time will tell. I kinda' hope some other team takes on this experiment, but one thing is for sure: something spectacular could happen (either way).
I don't know, I can see the comparison but I get a different vibe from Kelly. Spurrier always seemed to me like he thought he was God's gift to offense and when he tried to force his will on the NFL level, it failed. I think Kelly is more of a guy who is willing to learn, constantly evaluate and adapt his system. If he came to the NFL and tried to run the zone read option like he does in college, I think he'd fail. I just think he's too smart to try to force it and will adapt to the point where his offense can thrive at the NFL level.
We're... we're good?
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We'll see... Spurrier was an "innovator" too. There's just as likely a chance Kelley will turn out to be Spurrier 2.0 as there is of him being an agent of change in this league. Time will tell. I kinda' hope some other team takes on this experiment, but one thing is for sure: something spectacular could happen (either way).
I don't know, I can see the comparison but I get a different vibe from Kelly. Spurrier always seemed to me like he thought he was God's gift to offense and when he tried to force his will on the NFL level, it failed. I think Kelly is more of a guy who is willing to learn, constantly evaluate and adapt his system. If he came to the NFL and tried to run the zone read option like he does in college, I think he'd fail. I just think he's too smart to try to force it and will adapt to the point where his offense can thrive at the NFL level.
This goes back to my point... Awesome lets get a coach that has to change what he's done his entire coaching career and give him full control. Super sound idea...
...Am I losing my mind or have all of you?!
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It's not like he's changing everything. He will have to make some adjustments but wouldn't any coach have to adjust in a new job?
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