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I certainly don't get the feeling that we have "Dead men Walking" around Berea Ohio.
I think it's somewhat the opposite.
I believe Holmgren will be here for the remainder of his contract.
But he may not stay here as the President.
If Shurmur flames out this or next year, Big Jim Haslem may request the Walrus return to the sidelines...
Just a thought.
PS: As long as Heckert is here I'm good. He may have his moments (Hardesty, Marecic) but overall I think he's one of the top talent guys we've had.
Most League Presidents don't sit in on owners meetings, so we may see a change in his duties to more traditional duties for a team President.
If you think about how methodical Jimmy Haslam arrived at his position as a franchise owner in this League. I think that he took into account many different layers then meets the eye.
He did not go into to this venture by jumping in head first and the rest is well documented history. The point is that he could have taken a more direct approach and bought another franchise like the Dolphins or the Jaguars prior to taking the jump to ownership here in Cleveland.
He chose to pick his spot and I think that although our record is not reflective of a thriving franchise and or team of recent years, it comes with some good peaces in place.
Some may get replaced, but I don't really foresee the sweeping changes that many outsiders are predicting will come.
This team has one of the most experienced Coaching staffs in the entire League and it's probably a blessing too with our overall youth on this team, witch brings me to another point. Those young players we have been acquiring through the Draft is not something that is missed or lost on others in the business.
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I certainly think they like a 4 qb's too. I am just looking at it from a "what's their ceiling" point of view.
Wallace is the only one who has probably hit his ceiling as a backup. And he's the most expensive. Now if someone offers a pick for colt then we will be fine with wallace as a backup.
lewis will continue as the third.
Weeden has great physical skills....but we don't know if he's going to 'get it' and be a productive starter. We can hope, but he hasn't done it yet.
Colt has less physical skills...and we don't know if he'll 'get it' either...the coaches might think he's only ever going to amount to a backup too. Even if that's the case he's cheaper than wallace. It's not fair either to say he couldn't have been a productive starter.
I think wallace is the odd man out barring an injury or trade.
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Weeden has great physical skills....but we don't know if he's going to 'get it' and be a productive starter. We can hope, but he hasn't done it yet.
Here's the thing.
If Weeden never "Get's it" It's not like we are going to suddenly think Colt or Seneca will be able to then ge "The Guy" that leads us.
Because unless he TOTALLY BOMBS (which I think even his detractors think is a low possibility) He likely has at least 2-3 years as the starter for us to find out if he "Get's it"
And both Colt and Seneca will be gone by then.
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If Weeden never "Get's it" It's not like we are going to suddenly think Colt or Seneca will be able to then ge "The Guy" that leads us.
I'm not implying that is a given. I'm simply saying that we haven't seen the finished product of weeden or mccoy.
Weeden's arm is undoubtably better than colt's. He seems pretty accurate too.
I agree that weeden is going to get his shot. There is no way we will even sniff the idea of musical qb's like in years past.
I think all these guys need time. Weeden and colt both. This team didn't go after a free agent qb in the offseason. Which meant heading into the draft colt WAS the starter.
Everyone acts like we were taking a qb, any qb for sure.
We don't know how these guys were ranked. Our front office could have felt that rg3 and weeden were the only 2 qb's worthy of drafting for our system. What if both were gone? Colt was our guy for 1 more year.
It is quite possible that 2 years from now weeden never gets it, and colt does. We don't know where these guys ceilings are, any more than how they will play when they are experienced. What if colt plays due to injury down the road, and looks like a starter, while weeden looks like he's not getting it?
Its equally possible that they both get it, and weeden is starting material, and colt is backup material.
They are both unfinished products.
I don't see wallace as a starter, because i think he is a finished product, and nobody has picked him up for that role.
your point about them being gone is valid though, except colt could resign as a backup, especially if he thought he might get a shot at starter if weeden looks iffy. Not to mention maybe no team shows interest except us. We don't know what the future holds.
Right now we don't have a "brady or manning" on this team. We do have 2 guys that could be legitimate starters if the game slows down. One has better physical talent, the other has enough to get it done in the right circumstances.
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Why all this love affair with a third round QB with a weak arm?? Colt has the weakest arm of ALL of our QBs on the team. Plus, we can get more for Colt than any other QB. Colt needs to be in a perfect situation, with a strong run game, good receivers and linemen to really flourish. Hell, unless something changes, he is trade bait!!
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Why all this love affair with a third round QB with a weak arm?? Colt has the weakest arm of ALL of our QBs on the team. Plus, we can get more for Colt than any other QB. Colt needs to be in a perfect situation, with a strong run game, good receivers and linemen to really flourish. Hell, unless something changes, he is trade bait!!
If yours and alot of others expert opinions and "eyeball tests" say Colt is pretty much the worst QB on the team how can you then turn around say he is worth the most in trade value? I will never understand how you think the paid FO personal would feel differently from you without admitting he is better they you feel.
We did just try to upgrade all those areas you mentioned he would need to flurish?
Anyway more to the point if Tebow is worth a 6th round pick Colt probably isnt going to get us anything atm imho. Better to keep him for depth.
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I really don't see the team biting on a trade for Colt unless we can get certain value for him. My gut says we would want a player in return who can step in and contribute at whatever position he plays. I think Colt's worth more than a mid-late round draft pick. That's just my own opinion, IMO. If we're going to dump a QB for a mid-late pick, why not chose Seneca? Save the cap space, we then have three young, able QB's on the roster. I don't think Seneca's NFL experience really gives him an edge over Colt IMO.
I'm hoping Colt stays with the team. I like him as a backup, and spot starter, he's shown he can win and he has a great team attitude. The very kind of attitude we are trying to generate with the entire team. It's young players like Colt, who have the drive to win that will help the others come around. I'm not saying Colt alone, but look at Weeden, look at Little, these guys all have the attitude that we want our entire team to have. Hungry, focused and driven.
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Anyway more to the point if Tebow is worth a 6th round pick Colt probably isnt going to get us anything atm imho. Better to keep him for depth.
I disagree... McCoy's a QB and they always have a premium attached to them.
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Why all this love affair with a third round QB with a weak arm?? Colt has the weakest arm of ALL of our QBs on the team. Plus, we can get more for Colt than any other QB. Colt needs to be in a perfect situation, with a strong run game, good receivers and linemen to really flourish. Hell, unless something changes, he is trade bait!!
If yours and alot of others expert opinions and "eyeball tests" say Colt is pretty much the worst QB on the team how can you then turn around say he is worth the most in trade value? I will never understand how you think the paid FO personal would feel differently from you without admitting he is better they you feel.
We did just try to upgrade all those areas you mentioned he would need to flurish?
Anyway more to the point if Tebow is worth a 6th round pick Colt probably isnt going to get us anything atm imho. Better to keep him for depth.
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if he's so freakin bad, what the hell are you gonna get for him.. and he's not that weak armed then someone wasn't paying attention at all this preseason so far..
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Lol. The Colt apologists that jump to his defense every chance they get are just as bad as those that slam him. DnD didn't say Colt was bad, he just said he had the weakest arm on the team. He did have a lot of zip on that pass that led Gordon into a near concussion. 
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Lol. The Colt apologists that jump to his defense every chance they get are just as bad as those that slam him. DnD didn't say Colt was bad, he just said he had the weakest arm on the team. He did have a lot of zip on that pass that led Gordon into a near concussion.
No the comment was directed toward a person that says that Colt brings the biggest trade value. If hes the worst on the team and will bring the best trade value expain to me how that is actually possible.
No body is saying Colt is the best in fact we are just asking how can you think hes the worst QB on the team yet has the most value?
If you or anyone thinks Colt sucks I have no problem with that he's been replaced. Its not a big deal to me I really only want the best players playing for this team. However you cant say hes the worst on the team and brings the most value.
Thats what Im calling into question. Not sure about anyone else.
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Lol. The Colt apologists that jump to his defense every chance they get are just as bad as those that slam him. DnD didn't say Colt was bad, he just said he had the weakest arm on the team. He did have a lot of zip on that pass that led Gordon into a near concussion.
Perhaps the dumbest response ever.. Look at what was said.,. the poster basically said colt wasn't worth a dime, then he said to trade him to a team with a strong running game and an Oline.
What did this team do,, get a running game and it's really looking like we're developing a strong Oline. Our receivers are starting to look like receivers.
You say the Colt apologists jump at every chance to defend him,, we wouldn't have to if not for dumb remarks.
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That's why I laughed. He never said Colt was the worst on the team, just that he had the weakest arm. I never said Colt sucked, just think he's not the long term solution.
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Lol. The Colt apologists that jump to his defense every chance they get are just as bad as those that slam him. DnD didn't say Colt was bad, he just said he had the weakest arm on the team. He did have a lot of zip on that pass that led Gordon into a near concussion.
Perhaps the dumbest response ever.. Look at what was said.,. the poster basically said colt wasn't worth a dime, then he said to trade him to a team with a strong running game and an Oline.
What did this team do,, get a running game and it's really looking like we're developing a strong Oline. Our receivers are starting to look like receivers.
You say the Colt apologists jump at every chance to defend him,, we wouldn't have to if not for dumb remarks.
Thanks! If you read his post, he just said that Colt had the weakest arm on the team. Maybe you should start reading more carefully....you seem to type faster than your brain works. You actually argued with me yesterday for agreeing with you. 
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Jfanet,
Thanks for taking time to actually read what I typed before Damon and NickBrowns started hyper-ventilating!!
Damon and Nick,
If Colt was so hot, why did we take a QB with a first round pick?? And are you two going to say that Colt has a stronger arm than the other QBs on the team?? Please, its night and day looking at even Thad Lewis throw a ball compared to Colt. Now I'm not saying Lewis is ready to lead the team, but apparently Colt isn't either!
So then what is his role. BACKUP.. Not starter but backup! Can he be a decent backup here, yes. But if the Browns dangle him out there, especially to a team with QB problems, we can get something for him. And I would not take anything less than someone who can potentially start on our team, you give up a QB, you receive almost a starter. Can Wallace come in and keep the ship moving if Weeden goes down, yes!! Wallace probably knows the plays better than any QB on the team!
Tell ya what, let Colt throw some deep outs & ins and see who gets the ball.. hint... it will be the guy running to the opposite end zone!
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That's why I laughed. He never said Colt was the worst on the team, just that he had the weakest arm. I never said Colt sucked, just think he's not the long term solution.
If you replaced Colt with Bernie when he was that age, Bernie would have the weakest arm on the team too... I'm not, in any way, comparing the two but there are those with cannon arms, those with arms that are strong enough, and those that are not strong enough... I'm of the opinion that Colt falls into the strong enough category.
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Thanks for taking time to actually read what I typed before Damon and NickBrowns started hyper-ventilating!!
Damon and Nick,
If Colt was so hot, why did we take a QB with a first round pick?? And are you two going to say that Colt has a stronger arm than the other QBs on the team?? Please, its night and day looking at even Thad Lewis throw a ball compared to Colt. Now I'm not saying Lewis is ready to lead the team, but apparently Colt isn't either!
So then what is his role. BACKUP.. Not starter but backup! Can he be a decent backup here, yes. But if the Browns dangle him out there, especially to a team with QB problems, we can get something for him. And I would not take anything less than someone who can potentially start on our team, you give up a QB, you receive almost a starter. Can Wallace come in and keep the ship moving if Weeden goes down, yes!! Wallace probably knows the plays better than any QB on the team!
Tell ya what, let Colt throw some deep outs & ins and see who gets the ball.. hint... it will be the guy running to the opposite end zone!
I have to laugh at this because you say I didnt read what you said then didnt reply to what I replied to. this is just funny.
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Jfanet,
Thanks for taking time to actually read what I typed before Damon and NickBrowns started hyper-ventilating!!
Damon and Nick,
If Colt was so hot, why did we take a QB with a first round pick?? And are you two going to say that Colt has a stronger arm than the other QBs on the team?? Please, its night and day looking at even Thad Lewis throw a ball compared to Colt. Now I'm not saying Lewis is ready to lead the team, but apparently Colt isn't either!
So then what is his role. BACKUP.. Not starter but backup! Can he be a decent backup here, yes. But if the Browns dangle him out there, especially to a team with QB problems, we can get something for him. And I would not take anything less than someone who can potentially start on our team, you give up a QB, you receive almost a starter. Can Wallace come in and keep the ship moving if Weeden goes down, yes!! Wallace probably knows the plays better than any QB on the team!
Tell ya what, let Colt throw some deep outs & ins and see who gets the ball.. hint... it will be the guy running to the opposite end zone!
Here let me make this easy for you do you think Colt is the 2nd best QB on the team if you do then why the hell would you trade him away and if you dont then you wont be able to trade him because your not fooling any other GM in the league. So go ahead and argue you point.
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If you're depending on your backup.
You've already lost.
I'll take that further.
I don't think, right now, there is THAT MUCH difference in what McCoy and Wallace bring to the table, so as a backup, for the next 2 years, I'm fine with Wallace.
Is that an acceptable answer?
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If you're depending on your backup.
You've already lost.
If you are talking for half the season, then you are probably right. If you are talking about a spot start or to finish a game now and then, your back-up should be able to keep you in and win some games.
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I don't think, right now, there is THAT MUCH difference in what McCoy and Wallace bring to the table, so as a backup, for the next 2 years, I'm fine with Wallace.
That's fair, I just think McCoy is better by enough to make a difference... then throw in the cost of each.... then throw in the POTENTIAL trade value if McCoy does come in for spot duty and does well....
I tend to look at it this way, could I go out and find a better back-up than McCoy in the 6th round? What are the odds that I could find a better player than McCoy at ANY position in the 6th round? Not very good. Therefore I wouldn't unload him for a 6th round pick.
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Your questions are easy! First, the difference between Colt and Wallace are razor thin! So that is why trading Colt does not hurt the team much at all. Plus, you have alot of teams that are relying on rookie QBs to start and really do not have good backups. SO yes, we could/should get higher than a 6th round pick for McCoy. ( Plus someone used a 6th rounder because of what the Jets gave for Tebow - like he is a real QB..LMAO).
WE all wanted McCoy to succeed and turn into Brian Sipe ( you probably do not know who he is.. look it up)but it has not happened. Plus, every person that went into Camp this year saw the difference between Weeden and McCoy right away and knew who the starter would be. So now McCoy becomes a backup that really cannot distance himself from Wallace. If the need for a decent backup becomes larger in the league, then McCoy's value goes up.
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If you're depending on your backup.
You've already lost.
I'll take that further.
I don't think, right now, there is THAT MUCH difference in what McCoy and Wallace bring to the table, so as a backup, for the next 2 years, I'm fine with Wallace.
Is that an acceptable answer?
McCoy has more upside than Wallace, who is 32 yrs old and McCoy will likely continue to improve.
The reality in Cleveland, based on history over the last 4 seasons, our backup QB and possibly the backup to the backup, will be needed to play because the starting QB is injured.
Since the 2007 season, the Browns offensive line has steadily gotten worse in their ability to "protect" their QB, reaching a 5 yr high of 39 sacks given up in 2011.
The point is, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, especially if Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur's jobs are on the line this season, due to new ownership.
Whether McCoy or Wallace are given the title of #2 QB might come down to trade value. If the Browns are offered a trade they can't refuse for either, Wallace or McCoy, that could be how the issue of who plays backup to Weeden is settled.
If a trade does not materialize, we could see both McCoy and Wallace playing the backup role. Who is #2 could come down to their performances during the preseason.
IMO, the Browns are doing all they can to show case McCoy in the preseason, hoping to get that offer they can't refuse.
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Lol Sipe? I have ticket stubs to games from before he was drafted. What that matters I have no idea but had to laugh.
Anyway I personally dont think you could get anything more then a 6th round pick for either McCoy or Wallace. If we could get a 4th or higher for him I think the trade would have been made already and also we are one of those teams starting a Rookie QB too.
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Just clicking but do we have a better name for Colt McCoy supporters than just "Colt apologists" What happened to the days of Couch Coddlers and Holcomb Huggers? 
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What happened to the days of Couch Coddlers and Holcomb Huggers?
ok, how about this:
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Colt supporters = McCoys
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Thanks for taking time to actually read what I typed before Damon and NickBrowns started hyper-ventilating!!
Damon and Nick,
If Colt was so hot, why did we take a QB with a first round pick?? And are you two going to say that Colt has a stronger arm than the other QBs on the team?? Please, its night and day looking at even Thad Lewis throw a ball compared to Colt. Now I'm not saying Lewis is ready to lead the team, but apparently Colt isn't either!
So then what is his role. BACKUP.. Not starter but backup! Can he be a decent backup here, yes. But if the Browns dangle him out there, especially to a team with QB problems, we can get something for him. And I would not take anything less than someone who can potentially start on our team, you give up a QB, you receive almost a starter. Can Wallace come in and keep the ship moving if Weeden goes down, yes!! Wallace probably knows the plays better than any QB on the team!
Tell ya what, let Colt throw some deep outs & ins and see who gets the ball.. hint... it will be the guy running to the opposite end zone!
Let's get something cleared up..
You did say he had the weakest arm and that isn't accurate.. I think it WAS, but not anymore. My opinion.
second, you said that he needed a team with a running game.. We added a top running back in the draft. You said he needed a better Oline and we've improved our Oline.
My point, as simple as I can make it is this, if you think that's what colt needs to succeed and we've added those things (even with a weak arm) then why even get rid of him.
Now you know what I saw in your post. If I misread you,, my apologies,,
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What happened to the days of Couch Coddlers and Holcomb Huggers?
ok, how about this:
Colt haters = Hatfields
Colt supporters = McCoys
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If the differences between Colt and Seneca are razor thin then tell me where keeping Seneca has more pros than cons? Colt has arguably greater upside as he's still got untapped potential to grow, plus he's a cheaper value against the cap. Why not try to trade Seneca instead. Given this teams QB history I would rather keep both McCoy and Wallace for insurance purposes. IF we're dumping one, I'd try to move Seneca but due to his age and ability it would probably be tougher to move Seneca than trade Colt. I don't think we get a starter in return for Colt if we trade him we better get value beyond a token draft pick in return.
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barring an injury to a qb on a team, neither colt or seneca have any trade value right now.
Shurmur has come out and said we are keeping lewis for development. So any team that wants one of our backups just needs to wait. They can get which ever one we cut.
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Exactly, the trade speculation is pretty much 100% media created and it's certain fans who embrace the media maelstrom and usually it's those same people who were hating on Colt to begin with. It would be amusing to me if Seneca got cut, but only because it would silence all this trade Colt nonsense that's been going around since the draft.
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First, I said Colt has the weakest arm of any of the QBs on the roster. Why would you try to argue that point when that is so obvious??? The ability to put the ball accurately with some zip in a tight space is not what Colt can do. Anything past 20 yds has no real velocity on it, and is usually behind our receivers.
Second - he needs an established running game and Oline to the point he can play action off of. This west coast, passing in small windows and on time/quickly is not Colt McCoy. Put him back in more of a power running first, play action passing when needed, Colt does better. Putting Colt in the shotgun and throwing it more than 20 times.. not Colt
So this is why Colt is expendable to the Browns. If we can get a good( meaning quality/near starter) quality pick for him, Bye Bye!
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Enigmatic,
The reason I would trade Colt over Seneca is that I can get more for Colt, Colt has the WEAKER ARM STRENGTH, Wallace knows this offense better than any other QB on the roster, Wallace moves better in and out of the pocket. Plus with Wallace, he knows he is a backup, so it will not cause any problems with Weeden. WIth Colt on the roster, there is always some QB controversy!!
And as far as what you would get, there are ALOT of terrible QB play, especially the backups. So usually, we would not get much for Colt but this year, I think we could get no worse that a 4th rounder for him or even some good backup lineman.
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So usually, we would not get much for Colt but this year, I think we could get no worse that a 4th rounder for him or even some good backup lineman.
I don't think we'll get a 4th rounder for Colt. That's just not gonna happen. More like a 5th or 6th.
I think we'll get much further trying to trade Colt for a veteran player who might be on the downside of his career, and sending him to a team where they need a backup QB.......
May be a LBer or something. Only other positions I could think of would be a guard. Or even a good backup tackle.
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The reason I would trade Colt over Seneca is that I can get more for Colt,
Here's how I look at it..get rid of Wallace...Wallace is an old back up that most teams know what he is....Keep Colt this year... if he has to come in and play....more teams will get a better look at him..
yes teams have seen him play... but that was as a rookie... then in a second season with a new HC and system and no off season... If he does better himself then he may put a better value on him as a starter or a better qualified back up...
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IF we're dumping one, I'd try to move Seneca but due to his age and ability it would probably be tougher to move Seneca than trade Colt.
It'd be impossible to actually find a trading partner for Wallace. None of the 31 other teams would ever consider trading for a 5'10, perennial backup, system QB who's on the wrong side of thirty and makes a whopping $2.4 million.
Let's hope that this horrific trend is finally kicked with the drafting of Weeden, because we've carried QB's on our roster and in roles that no other team is dumb enough to stick with. Nobody would pay Wallace $2.4 million. Nobody but us tabbed Colt McCoy to be the starter, nor did anyone else make the idiotic mistake of wasting time on Charlie Frye.
I think I just made myself depressed.
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I'm very happy to hear Colt has that mind set. That was one thing that did worry me. While as a competitor I'm sure he wants to start just like every QB in the NFL, he always seemed to be a team first kind of guy and it appears now is no different.
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I don't think we'll get a 4th rounder for Colt. That's just not gonna happen. More like a 5th or 6th.
pd...a 5th or 6th round pick for McCoy?...if that is the case, I don't see the Browns trading McCoy...it is not like we don't need him and his contract is cap friendly for the Browns.
Everyone wants to ignore the performance of our offensive line over the past few years and the number of QBs who have ended up on IR. Just last week we saw Weeden take some shots when pass protection broke down.
Until this Oline "proves" they can protect their QB, McCoy's value to the Browns will likely be more than a late round draft pick.
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Some facts to consider:
1. Colt is signed through 2013 on his cap friendly rook deal (500-600k base)
2. At this point, there's 0,1% chance that he'll re-sign with the Browns 18 months from now
3. So to get anything out of him: there are 3 options as to his "value": a) Keep him, b) Trade him THIS offseason, c) Trade him NEXT offseason
4. If Weeden is the starter for most of the season, we won't see McCoy much and the league won't even remember him anymore come next offseason....and Colt's a year older and didn't play for a year, so his trade "value" goes down
5. That leaves 2 options: He either is more valuable to the Browns as a backup or you trade him for a pick and/or player
My conclusion: I'm sure our asking price is a 5th (been Heckert's money round since his days in Philly) and whoever offers it gets him, but we might think about a late rounder + bubble player from another team or multiple future late rounders (Quinn deal)....remember that we don't have a 2nd rounder next draft, so Heckert probably wants to add a pick
All that said, I also don't like to pay Wallace over 2mil, be it for the fact alone that he'd make more than our starter....if we don't get a 5th offer, I'd be happy to just cut Seneca and keep Colt. I'd also try to put pressure on Seneca to restructure his deal, if a I get "so-so" offer for Colt...he won't see 2.4mil on the open market, so if he goes down to 1.5 and 2mil (with incentives to get it back if he plays good) from 2.4 and 2.85 for the next 2 seasons, that would facilitate moving Colt
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First, I said Colt has the weakest arm of any of the QBs on the roster. Why would you try to argue that point when that is so obvious???
No, it's not obvious anymore. It may have and probably was true at one point. But look at what he's shown in preseason. That is no longer obvious.
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Second - he needs an established running game and Oline to the point he can play action off of.
We have just drafted the Top RB in the draft and a RT that suddenly looks like the real deal (not the first game, but much improved in the second and I expect that improvement to continue)
In the next post responding to someone else, you go on to say that you would trade Colt because you could get more for him. Yet you insist he has the weakest arm of our QB's and needs a running game and Oline..
Now why on earth would anyone give us a rubber chicken for the man you describe.
This is simple, you just don't want colt around, your blinded for whatever reason and nothing I say is going to make a lick of difference to you. so for me, that's the end of the debate and discussion.
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