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$21.1 million over 4 years. Fully guaranteed. Nice!

Time to get TR and BW done!

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Gotta think this will cause a pretty nice tide of signings in the near future.

Yeah, this should help get TR signed pretty soon....say this week??

Weeden is in that position that could take a while for things to pan out, though it should start to flow pretty quickly.

T-Rich should be done by the end of the week... there shouldn't be any trouble if the guy selected RIGHT before you has signed his deal.

Weeden on the other hand.. he got drafted at that funny spot, and his could drag out.. He says he wants to be in camp, and has been saying he will, but at the end of the day.. the blame will be on his agent.

Weeds will be in camp and on time. There is no reason for him not to be. He will be the starter this year, as long as he doesn't hold out and muck around. There is no reason to jeopardize that by giving any appearance whatsoever of falling behind.

Is there a echo in here?


As for the agent, maybe, maybe not.


The pick just ahead of Weeden, Chandler Jones is done....$8.17....that should set us at about 8mil, but the overall is just half the task....the how's and when's, what is and what isn't, play a big role.

yep. I think the only real hold up is how much (or if any) of the 4th year will be guaranteed.

Yep. Probably haggling over a guaranteed 4th year, a 5th-year club option and offset language. With the new CBA, I'm not sure what, if any, impact Weeden's position has on negotiations.

As the presumptive starter, he better be in camp on time. He has lots of work to do.

My feeling is just guarantee the thing minus him ripping his arm off in a motorcycle accident or something dumb like that.


To me, everybody drafted is going to be there 4 years. Injury is really the only thing that can change that, and even then, unless it a catastrophic injury like a spine , it wouldn't be until the 3rd year you made some sort of move, so you are only exposing 1-2 years.


I'd also pay more up front, in the event you did need to cut the guy or decided to trade him, it would make it easier to do so.

yea..

guaranteeing the 4th year shouldn't hurt them too much if they are willing to pay Seneca Wallace all the money he makes

I don't think that lower 1st round picks can have a 5th year option. I seem to recall that a 5th option year is limited to the top 5 or top 10.

I'll have to try and find it.

*Edit* I was wrong. 1st round picks get a 4 year deal with an option on a 5th year.

Teams getting great deals as rookie wage scale keeps salaries in check
By Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

July 18, 2012
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19608...ies-in-check#sf




I was always in favor of a rookie wage scale, especially after the disaster known as JaMarcus Russell. Russell took home close to $39 million in guaranteed money out of his $61 million deal ... and he won seven games.

The most recent big deal, and likely the last, went to Sam Bradford. He got a six-year, $78 million contract with $50 million guaranteed. I'm glad those deals are gone for the clubs' and the veterans' sake. But, as usual, there are some great young players stuck in bad deals because of the rookie wage scale.

Look at the first draft in the new rookie wage scale, the class of 2011, and there are some really good emerging players who got stuck with less-than-mediocre deals because the of the collective bargaining agreement reached last year. Obviously, that remains the case for the class of 2012.

Robert Griffin III came to terms Wednesday on a four-year deal worth $21.1 million. That's about what Cam Newton got last year, and so will 2012 No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck.

Granted, Newton's contract is fully guaranteed. Luck's will be as well, but that adds up to between $44 million and $45 million in "G" money, which is less than the $50 "G" that Bradford got by himself. Rest assured the rules favor the club, especially if Newton continues to play at a Pro Bowl level.

Despite Drew Brees' new $100 million, five-year deal, Newton can't work off that to ensure his future until after the 2013 season, when he finishes three years in the league -- 32 regular-season games to go before the player and the club can even talk. At that point, the Panthers have the right to avoid a long-term extension by invoking the "Top 10" rule. The club can subject him to a fifth year at the average of the top 10 quarterback salaries from the year before.

Considering Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Michael Vick, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and whoever else emerges in the top 10, the Panthers will get a fifth year out of Newton for about $16 million. Add the $16 million to the $22 million from the first four years and he has a five-year deal for about $38 million. That turns out to be about what JaMarcus Russell brought home for doing close to nothing. Even worse, it's a five-year average of $7.6 million. Bradford's five-year average is $13 million.

Newton looks like he's going to be a tremendous value to the Panthers and his second big deal will have a lot of catching up to do. Even if he gets a Brees deal in 2016, after the fifth-year option is exercised by the Panthers, he will be close to $40 million behind Bradford, who also may be ready for a blockbuster deal. Luck and Griffin will probably be in the same boat a year later.

Quarterbacks who excel after being chosen high in the first round are not the only victims of the rookie wage scale. Take a look at the quality players from the 2011 draft selected after pick No. 10. Picks outside the top 10 give teams an even better deal in the fifth year. Instead of the average of the top 10 salaries at the position, for players chosen Nos. 11 through 32, teams can offer a fifth year at an average of the third through 25th salaries.

One guy who could get really burned is 2011 No. 11 overall pick J.J. Watt, who had a fantastic rookie season for the Houston Texans. If he simply went one pick earlier (the Jaguars chose Blaine Gabbert at No. 10), his fifth year would have been the average of the top 10 defensive ends. That would have included the $16 million Julius Peppers is scheduled to make in 2015 and either Charles Johnson ($11 million) or Jared Allen on an extension probably worth $12 million.

But Watt doesn't get the benefit of the top two salaries. If he did and we just used 2012 as a barometer his fifth-year salary would be a guaranteed $11 million or as high as $13 million by 2014. Instead the Texans can lock him up for something much closer to $6 million to $7 million in the fifth year. Watt's five-year average will be about $3.65 million a year with a gross close to $18.5 million. In the same spot of the 2010 draft, Anthony Davis of the 49ers got a five-year deal for $26.5 million with $16 million guaranteed.

Finally, at least eight of the top 10 from the 2011 draft -- out of Newton (Panthers), Von Miller (Broncos), Marcel Dareus (Bills), A.J. Green (Bengals), Patrick Peterson (Cardinals), Julio Jones (Falcons), Aldon Smith (49ers), Jake Locker (Titans), Tyron Smith (Cowboys) and Gabbert (Jaguars) -- will get the fifth-year option exercised. As for the rest of the first round it's almost a lock that guys like Ryan Kerrigan and others will get the same treatment as Watt. It's too good a deal to turn down for the clubs.

Its too bad that the rookie salary scale wasnt in place in 99. That would have created alot of cap space from Couch and Courtny Brown. Im suprised it took vets so long to endorse this in the collective bargaining agreement. Prove yourself then get paid. Unless the lockout forced this issue. Im still suprised the Vets did do this uppon themselves.

Is there any rule that says the team has to stick to the original deal? I mean, if RG does a great job, can't they redo it in say 2 years?

Thanks for the article. I knew that there was something about the option year for players taken in the top 10, and this article clarified it for me.

I was talking 1st round picks....OK Quinn....the point is he didn't wash out inside of 4 years. It's why I mentioned paying more up front so it would be easier to trade the guy rather than have a 4 mil last year salary.


As I said, the odds are good the guy is here 3 years minimum.

Contract status for 2012 NFL Draft first-round picksNFL.com
Published: May 8, 2012 at 05:45 p.m. Updated: July 18, 2012 at 03:11 p.m

More Columns > The Seattle Seahawks' Bruce Irvin was the first player picked in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft to agree to terms on a deal with his new team. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, all first-round picks can have four-year contracts with a non-negotiable fifth-year option, although not all will receive it.



Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract
1. Andrew Luck QB Indianapolis Unsigned
2. Robert Griffin III QB Washington Signed Four years, $21.119 million
3. Trent Richardson RB Cleveland Unsigned
4. Matt Kalil OT Minnesota Unsigned
5. Justin Blackmon WR Jacksonville Unsigned
6. Morris Claiborne CB Dallas Unsigned
7. Mark Barron SS Tampa Bay Unsigned
8. Ryan Tannehill QB Miami Unsigned
9. Luke Kuechly LB Carolina Signed Four years, $12.58 million
10. Stephon Gilmore CB Buffalo Signed Four years, $12.1 million
â1. Dontari Poe DT Kansas City Unsigned
12. Fletcher Cox DT Philadelphia Signed Four years, value not disclosed
13. Michael Floyd WR Arizona Signed Four years, $10 million
14. Michael Brockers DT St. Louis Signed Four years, $9.52 million
15. Bruce Irvin DE Seattle Signed Four years, $9.34 million
16. Quinton Coples DE N.Y. Jets Signed Four years, $8.8 million
17. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Cincinnati Signed Four years, $8.6 million
18. Melvin Ingram LB San Diego Signed Four years, $8.4 million
19. Shea McClellin DE Chicago Signed Four years, $8.27 million
20. Kendall Wright WR Tennessee Unsigned
21. Chandler Jones DE New England Signed Four years, $8.17 million
22. Brandon Weeden QB Cleveland Unsigned
23. Riley Reiff OT Detroit Unsigned
24. David DeCastro G Pittsburgh Unsigned
25. Dont'a Hightower LB New England Agreed Four years, value not disclosed
26. Whitney Mercilus DE Houston Signed Four years, $7.634 million
27. Kevin Zeitler G Cincinnati Signed Four years, $7.54 million
28. Nick Perry DE Green Bay Signed Four years, $7.5 million
29. Harrison Smith FS Minnesota Signed Four years, value not disclosed
30. A.J. Jenkins WR San Francisco Signed Four years, value not disclosed
31. Doug Martin RB Tampa Bay Signed Five years, value not disclosed
32. David Wilson RB N.Y. Giants Signed Four years, $6.68 million

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8...irstround-picks

Hopefully Richardson is next

Great news that. We ought to tidy up ours in a week or thereabouts. I feel best about about getting the greenest into camp soonest. No holdouts! Time to go to werk!