I was just adding a little balance to the topic. Obama could use a lot of work but I'm not in favor of voting in a morally bankrupt and out of touch businessman to run the country.
Why not? What we currently have is a guy that was a community organizer, then a senator, then president. (I still don't know what community organizer entails). The guy we have has never had a job, to my knowledge, that wasn't paid for by tax dollars.........and more tax dollars. If I'm missing a job he had, my bad.
Quote: I was just adding a little balance to the topic. Obama could use a lot of work but I'm not in favor of voting in a morally bankrupt and out of touch businessman to run the country.
Yeah, it's much better for us to keep Obama and go bankrupt ...... morally and financially ......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: I was just adding a little balance to the topic. Obama could use a lot of work but I'm not in favor of voting in a morally bankrupt and out of touch businessman to run the country.
I would also add I don't want a morally bankrupt person to be president. I would not want an "out of touch" person to be president. But, I would LOVE to have a president and a congress FULL of business people.
I don't get what you mean by romney being morally bankrupt. I do get what you mean by "out of touch", but I think that applies to any president we've had in recent years/decades.
Quote: I was just adding a little balance to the topic.
NRTU but why does every thread like this need "balance"? If a dem screws up or is an arrogant arse, why can't we discuss that without mention of the fact that repubs have screwed up and have arrogant arses of their own and vice versa? If Obama says something stupid or if Romney says something stupid.. the fact that the other is equally stupid should have no bearing in the discussion. "Well, they did it too" is no defense for being an arse. I think that is why I find myself participating in political discussions less and less..
It goes something like this:
Poster D: Politician X is such a moron, this is what he said... Poster R: Oh yea, well politician Y is an even bigger moron, he said....
Then 6 pages get filled up with discussion of who is the bigger moron on a relative scale... where "Complete Moron" is the high water mark....
Part of it is that people post the negative things that people of the opposite position do or say as justification that their "side" is correct. It's a semi-conscious one-sided debate. Naturally it causes people from the other side to chime in.
Quote: I was just adding a little balance to the topic. Obama could use a lot of work but I'm not in favor of voting in a morally bankrupt and out of touch businessman to run the country.
Yeah, it's much better for us to keep Obama and go bankrupt ...... morally and financially ......
How, in your opinion, has Obama bankrupted the country on a moral level, and how would Romney be different in that regard?
Quote: That's it, that's the spirit.. take sides, ignore the moron Obama and blast Romney... WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!
Obama is not a moron.
In fact, the complaint about Obama is that he comes off too much as a "College Professor". Complaints about him are not in reference to a "lack of intelligence" but rather that he is too cerebral.
Forcing churches who self insure to pay for birth control would be a start.
That's about as immoral as you can get ... trying to force churches to do something completely against their teachings and doctrine.
When do the bacon breakfasts get set up in Mosques and Synagogues?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: In the grand scheme of things how does the fact that it isn't allowed under the commerce clause matter?
It doesn't, as long as it's a tax. Taxes and activity funded by Congress under taxation are not inherently Unconstitutional.
I don't like that they accepted the tax argument. However, it is what it is. It's important to vote Obama out so we can get rid of this abomination.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Forcing churches who self insure to pay for birth control would be a start.
That's about as immoral as you can get ... trying to force churches to do something completely against their teachings and doctrine.
When do the bacon breakfasts get set up in Mosques and Synagogues?
Actually no.
But, the correct analogy would be:
"You work for me, I don't believe in contraception, so you should not believe in contraception."
That is the position that the right-wing is holding firm to. Forcing the working class to accept the choice of their employers. THAT IS WRONG.
This isn't the case of forcing somebody to do something they don't want to do because of religious grounds. This is about whether or not a religious organization has the right to force those working for them to accept their dogma. The Catholic church and other organizations employ people that are not necessarily Catholic. Though the church is against contraception, those working for it are not necesarily against it. As employers, that company has to provide insurance to their workers. It doesn't matter if they think they can "pray away illnesses" or any of that matter - they cannot deny coverage. The same goes for contraception.
Quote: That's it, that's the spirit.. take sides, ignore the moron Obama and blast Romney... WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!
Obama is not a moron.
In fact, the complaint about Obama is that he comes off too much as a "College Professor". Complaints about him are not in reference to a "lack of intelligence" but rather that he is too cerebral.
Too cerebral? When his speech writers get the teleprompter working, yes. Ever listen to him speak without the teleprompter? He's lost. The only reason he gets any respect when talking without the teleprompter is because of the title he holds, NOT because of anything else.
Bush II had his own little thing.........I can't really describe it......but you know what I mean.
O is not cerebral anymore than I'm a millionaire.
Plus, I don't like how he, when he thinks he's saying something deep - tilts his head back and looks down his nose.
Quote: Why not? What we currently have is a guy that was a community organizer, then a senator, then president. (I still don't know what community organizer entails). The guy we have has never had a job, to my knowledge, that wasn't paid for by tax dollars.........and more tax dollars. If I'm missing a job he had, my bad.
Umm:
Lecturer: University of Chicago School of Law (1992-2004) Attorney: Associate at Sidley Austin (1989) Attorney: Associate at Hopkins & Sutter (1990) Attorney: Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (1993-2004)
Board of Directors: Woods Fund of Chicago (100% privately funded) (1994-2002) Chair of Directors: The Chicago Annenberg Challenge (1995-2002) (50% private/50% public money)
Quote: That's it, that's the spirit.. take sides, ignore the moron Obama and blast Romney... WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!
Obama is not a moron.
In fact, the complaint about Obama is that he comes off too much as a "College Professor". Complaints about him are not in reference to a "lack of intelligence" but rather that he is too cerebral.
See, this is how it works.. if you want to go by definition, then Romney is not a "tool"... as defined in the urban dictionary, a tool is a person who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used...
And a moron is a person of low intelligence OR lacking in good judgment.. I can use the "lacking in good judgment" defense to say that Obama is, in fact, a moron.
I am curious as to what kinds of cases he tried in court. Does anyone know? (This is a serious question, not some kind of "gotcha") I know that he generically worked as a "civil rights lawyer" ...... but what cases did he argue before a court?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Lecturer: University of Chicago School of Law (1992-2004) Attorney: Associate at Sidley Austin (1989) Summer internship Attorney: Associate at Hopkins & Sutter (1990) Summer internship Attorney: Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (1993-2004) Senior attorneys at the small firm where he worked say he was a strong writer and researcher, but was involved in relatively few cases -- about 30 -- and spent only four years as a full-time lawyer before entering politics.
Obama spent about 70% of his time on voting rights, civil rights and employment, generally as a junior associate. The rest of his time was spent on matters related to real estate transactions, filing incorporation papers and defending clients against minor lawsuits.
Obama had made a name for himself at Harvard, where he was the first African American president of the law review. That accomplishment generated press accounts and prompted Judson Miner, head of the firm that bears his name, to recruit Obama. Obama took time to complete "Dreams From My Father," then joined the 13-attorney firm.
"He was doing the work that any first-year or second-year associate would do," Miner said. "In litigation, he was doing basic research and writing memos. . . . In the first couple years he would play a very minor role. He wouldn't know [much], so he would take the lead from whoever was supervising his work."
He did have some noteworthy cases. Among them, Obama filed a major 1995 suit that successfully forced Illinois to enforce the 1993 federal Motor Voter law, which sought to make it easier for people to register to vote.
Board of Directors: Woods Fund of Chicago (100% privately funded) (1994-2002) Community Activist Group Chair of Directors: The Chicago Annenberg Challenge (1995-2002) (50% private/50% public money) Community Activist Group
Quote: Forcing churches who self insure to pay for birth control would be a start.
That's about as immoral as you can get ... trying to force churches to do something completely against their teachings and doctrine.
When do the bacon breakfasts get set up in Mosques and Synagogues?
You're making it sound like Obama is forcing Catholics to take birth control.
When a church enters into a public forum - for example, running a hospital or employing those who don't necessarily share their theology or viewpoints - they have to offer comprehensive insurance coverage, which, yes, includes contraception.
I fail to see how requiring an employer in a public forum to provide full health care coverage is 'as immoral as you can get'.
Why are these two bozos the choices of the American people? Isn't there a candidate by the name of Ron Paul out there? Obama and Romney's dirt runs deep, yet we feel THEY are the best choices? Wake up America!
In all honesty, why would any businessman want to run for President? Why would any successful person want to run for President? The pay sucks, and your entire life will be ripped open and put on public display. (especially if you run as a Republican)
Bump the pay to $2 million/year and we might get some more qualified and capable people into the process. However, for the $400K or so it pays ...... I bet that most successful businesspeople would rather stay in private business, making millions .... and not taking the crap they would as a candidate.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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