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Why wouldn't all of these injured guys go get the Kobe/Germany knee treatment?
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Jared Sullinger not invited to draft Updated: June 25, 2012, 3:13 PM ET
Former Ohio State star and two-time all-American Jared Sullinger will watch the NBA draft inside a Columbus restaurant, not in the green room in Newark's Prudential Center, after the NBA declined to invite him to Thursday's draft.
NBA executive vice president Stu Jackson told ESPN.com that Sullinger would not be invited based on the reports the league had received that Sullinger wouldn't be selected in the top 15.
"He's more likely to go in the teens or in the 20s," Jackson said. "We continue to have contact with teams, but at this late date we don't anticipate inviting him."
ESPN.com's Chad Ford reported last week that Sullinger's medical reports were flagged by a number of teams after the Chicago predraft camp because of a back issue. But Satch Sullinger, Jared's father and high school coach in Columbus, refuted it, saying that his son had muscle issues and not a disk problem. Sullinger dealt with back spasms last December, forcing him to miss a road game at Kansas, but he was well enough to lead the Buckeyes to the Final Four.
Satch Sullinger said Monday that the family isn't anticipating an invitation and will host a party at a Columbus restaurant instead.
"We haven't been invited, so we're not going to go," he said.
Jackson said the official green-room list of projected lottery players will be released Tuesday. The players must be notified by late Monday since they have to be in New York by Tuesday night.
Jared Sullinger worked out Monday for Detroit, which picks ninth.
"I know we haven't been invited and so we're not going to go," Satch Sullinger said. "Unless (Pistons GM) Joe Dumars said they like him at No. 9, we're not going to go."
Satch Sullinger said his son has worked out for New Orleans (for its No. 10 pick), Portland (for No. 11), Golden State (for No. 7, though the Warriors also have No. 30) and Toronto (No. 8) before Monday's workout with the Pistons.
Satch Sullinger said his son canceled a workout in Cleveland last week since the family didn't see how he could be taken at No. 4.
His father also said his son's agent, David Falk, is working diligently behind the scenes to ease any issues about Jared's back.
Satch Sullinger said Jared won't get discouraged that he won't have the symbolic handshake with the commissioner at the draft.
"He wants the opportunity to play," Satch Sullinger said. "He knows he'll play in the NBA. All it does is give him motivation. This just keeps him hungry and he'll earn it. It's a business. He's going to play in the NBA, whatever number he goes doesn't matter. He's going to be like a top five pick in the NBA."
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I'd still think twice at 24. I like the guy, he has some potential to be a good NBA player, but the fact that he's undersized and has back issues scares me.
They have got to get a quality rotation guy at 24. Nobody expects a superstar, but the good teams find good players that late.
The Cavs can't afford another guy with injury problems, it's bad enough Kyrie seems to have a bit of that in him, along with AV.
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Comparing the NFL and NBA drafts is weird.
There's 22 positions in the NFL, versus 5 in the NBA...
So you'd think that, with basically the same amount of teams in the college ranks, and adding in the international teams football doesn't have, there would be an over abundance of Basketball talent coming into the NBA, making picking someone at 24, or let alone 4, practically shooting fish in a barrel...
Guess not.
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Actually there are more college basketball programs than football programs at the D-1 level. Which makes it even more bizarre.
I think it's because the best players in the league Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Rose, Dwight. Those guys are incredibly gifted. There are players who are either undersized or at regular height for their position who are great players. Then there are guys who are huge guys with the build of a star, but aren't that great at the game.
Then there's that select group of guys who have size and skill, it's a small group.
That's why I think it is by far the best sport to watch live if you have great seats. There is absolutely nothing like sitting courtside. I've been on the glass for hockey, I've been at top-of-the-glass for hockey which is actually considered the best seat in the house, I've sat first few rows box for baseball, and I have sat 50 yard line a few rows back for NFL.
NBA courtside, and it's not even close. You don't realize how big, strong and fast those guys are until they are right in front of you. TV does no justice at all.
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Being purely athletic also will take you a lot further in the college game than it will in the NBA.
I mean, think about it...how many top college basketball players in recent history have been great NBA players as well? You can argue that guys like Dwight and Lebron would've dominated the college game had they played, but its still a very small number.
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I agree 100%. Seeing those freak human beings move like that from courtside is a sight to behold. I never got to see LeBron any closer than 7 rows back but that was pretty cool too. One cool thing I did get to do was go to a University of Hawaii game and had field passes. My wife and I stood at the 30 yard line and got a real close up look at a good game. Before the game started I told that if we were going to stand there that you have to pay attention and watch out. Opening kickoff the Hawaii deep back recieves the kick, motors down our sideline and gets destroyed with a high tackle right at the 30. Almost took us both out. She gave me a look like....seriously?!?  I'd love to have field passes to a Browns Steelers game. Someday.
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Comparing the NFL and NBA drafts is weird.
There's 22 positions in the NFL, versus 5 in the NBA...
So you'd think that, with basically the same amount of teams in the college ranks, and adding in the international teams football doesn't have, there would be an over abundance of Basketball talent coming into the NBA, making picking someone at 24, or let alone 4, practically shooting fish in a barrel...
Guess not.
The NBA has 5 starters and what 12 on the roster? So it is much harder to make an NBA roster of 12 than Nfl roster of 53.
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I thnk that the 1n done rule is watering down the NBA. Kids dont learn the game anymore. That's why players like Derek fisher can still hang around on a team. While the outrageous athletes have so much promise but hardly any knowledge or skill get put out the NBA pretty quick. They never learned it in college. I agree w Mark Cuban.... They should make them wait at least 2 or 3 years out of high school.
Remember back n the day when NCAA had superfrosh and then there was the soph slump. Nowadays these kids jump straight to the NBA after one year and the teams don't get an accurate eval on these kids.
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Also in the NFL there are multiple different positions. In the NBA, all 5 positions, while having different functions sure, pretty much do the same thing as it relates to the game of basketball. Where as in football there are many different specific positions. OLine blocks, WR catch, QB throw, so you have a lot more opportunity to find a position to excel at.
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Seeing those freak human beings move like that from courtside is a sight to behold. I never got to see LeBron any closer than 7 rows back but that was pretty cool too.
One cool thing I did get to do was go to a University of Hawaii game and had field passes. My wife and I stood at the 30 yard line and got a real close up look at a good game. Before the game started I told that if we were going to stand there that you have to pay attention and watch out.
Opening kickoff the Hawaii deep back recieves the kick, motors down our sideline and gets destroyed with a high tackle right at the 30. Almost took us both out. She gave me a look like....seriously?!? 
I'd love to have field passes to a Browns Steelers game. Someday.
That's awesome. I have never been on the field for a football game let a lone a pro game. That has to be incredible. Just seeing it that close and seeing the guys on the sideline react.
I sat a row behind the Lakers' bench back in 2006 when they played the Cavs on a Sunday afternoon ABC game (yeah, remember THOSE days)
It was Kobe v Lebron. Probably the most incredible sights I have ever seen at a sporting event. I could hear Kobe trash talking, I could hear Lebron calling out plays, Phil Jackson and his raspy voice drawing up plays. I didn't even know we were sitting that close until we got to the Q, and we went to our seats. Friend of a friend. If you ever have the chance to sit that close up, even if it's the Bobcats, you do it.
My buddy's aunt used to be president of CoreComm, and if you remember, they had a gate at CBS sponsored so she had these ridiculous tickets at the 50 yard line, about 4 rows back. She still has the tickets, she's probably just paying for them now, but back then, she'd always give them to her nephew and we'd head up to games. We went on Sunday Night Football and got into a trash talking match with Ray Lewis. I'm pretty sure I called him a murderer that night.
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Back to the topic at hand. Vegas who is always 100% accurate has robinson at 2, beal at 3, and the cavs getting Kidd-gilcrist. How do y'all feel about that?
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This was just posted on ESPN ... although anything said by a GM now might just be smoke ...
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- New Charlotte coach Mike Dunlap says the idea of trading down from the No. 2 spot in the NBA draft to acquire extra picks "makes a lot of sense" for a young team like the Bobcats.
After finishing 7-59 and with the worst winning percentage (.106) in NBA history, the Bobcats have a variety of holes to fill this offseason.
Dunlap recognizes that.
That's one of the reasons he said the Bobcats are taking a "hybrid thinking" approach to Thursday night's draft, which means evaluating the talent available at No. 2 while simultaneously looking into the feasibility of moving down and picking up an additional first-round draft pick.
He said the option of trading down "is on the board."
"I think anybody in our situation would have that on the board," Dunlap said. "(Our) people are very smart up top. So options and thinking of your variables is a very smart thing to do."
Dunlap said the decision on whether to remain at No. 2 or move down will be up to his bosses -- general manager Rich Cho and director of basketball operations Rod Higgins. As of right now they're not talking about the draft, though both are expected to address the media at a pre-draft press conference Wednesday.
The New Orleans Hornets won the NBA lottery and have the No 1 pick.
It would be a major surprise if they don't take Kentucky's Anthony Davis, considered by many a franchise-type player.
The No. 2 pick is a bit more complicated.
There's no consensus pick for that spot with opinions varying on whether Kansas forward Thomas Robinson, Florida guard Bradley Beal, Kentucky swingman Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or North Carolina forward Harrison Barnes might be the next best player available.
Dunlap says the front office has "definitely reduced" the number of candidates in consideration for the No. 2 pick should the team stand pat.
"That's their job," Dunlap said of Cho and Higgins. "And I'm a resource. But those guys have done a wonderful job all year long of evaluation, so I think they have a clear idea of scenarios. There are many variables, but they have it down."
One intriguing potential trade partner for the Bobcats could be the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own picks No. 4 and 24.
If the Bobcats trade down it might allow them to acquire an outside shooter.
That's what Dunlap considers the team's most pressing need.
"The ability to make the three is important because it allows you to play inside the 3-point line," Dunlap said. "What happens is a defense collapses and it gets crowded in there. I would say that is safe to say that we need to do that. And we need to do a better job with our spacing, too. But as far as the roster goes it's always nice to have guys who can shoot a basketball."
The Bobcats worked out four players on Monday including Vanderbilt's John Jenkins, who fits the bill as an outside shooter after shooting 48.3 percent from beyond the arc last season.
Although he's not considered a top 10 pick, he could be an option for the Bobcats with their second round pick (31st overall). The others that worked out Monday in Charlotte were Missouri's Kim English, Virginia Tech's Dorenzo Hudson and High Point's Nick Barbour.
"I think it's a good draft and I also think there are a lot of guys out there that will be in that top 20 who have won a lot of basketball games," Dunlap said. "They kind of know the expectations. I also think you'll see a lot of wheeling and dealing with teams moving down or up."
While Dunlap could have some input on draft day decisions, his primary focus has been on developing the players he has on the roster.
He's dove head-first into the challenge.
Known as a no-nonsense coach, Dunlap spent more than two hours Monday working with a handful of Bobcats players including Byron Mullens and last year's rookie lottery picks Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo. The practice was fast-paced and intense in nature.
"Their work ethic and their willingness to learn has been good," he said. "I hope so, it's the honeymoon and there's nothing at stake right now."
Dunlap, who previously worked as an assistant at St. John's, has also been working on assembling an assistant coaching staff, although nothing is imminent.
"We're going to take our time," Dunlap said. "As they say in the business, hire slow, fire fast. I know that one."
It almost sounds like the Bobcats want Beal. Could the Bobcats go with Beal at #2? And Washington would possibly go with Robinson at #3? (They need an offensive big-man, and are a bit overstocked at SF) That could mean MKG would slip to #4.
If Charlotte is desperate for a outside shooter, maybe the take the #4 and our two second round picks for the #2 pick? They'd likely get the guy they need anyway in Beal at #4, plus two early second rounders for some depth.
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I can definitely see Robinson going 2nd. Everything I read says that Charlotte likes Robinson a lot.
I'd be OK with Kidd-Gilcrhrist. I think that he is a driven player, who would become a team leader down the road. I like his defensive ability and his athletic ability.
I do wish that he was more of a scorer, and had a jump shot to compliment his leaping ability.
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I'm not mock-draft/big board guy, but my top 4 for the Cavs is Davis, MKG, Beal, Barnes. Not jaw dropping and probably most of you guys have the same.
I will be slightly disappointed if the order goes that way because Barnes doesn't excite me a ton. His potential suits pick 4 if those 3 guys are gone though.
If somehow Barnes or Robinson, or some wild card like Drummond get picked before 4, I will be ecstatic.
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I'd almost rather have Drummond than Beal or Barnes...
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We'd be set at 1 and 5, with TT getting better at 4.
Then grab a 2 or 3 and #24...
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Drummond's far from a "set" type of guarantee at the five, though. I was open-minded toward him at the start of the process, but have totally faded from considering him at four. The lack of polish offensively and willingness to assert himself will be a lot for him to overcome and will take quite a bit of time. I think we're too depleted on the wing to pass up the talent that'll be there at four. Personally, I'd rather have Beal or MKG, but Barnes will help out there, too.
Seriously, though, how the hell do you shoot in the twenties on free throws?
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If I knew we could get Melo at 24 I'd take whomever was sitting there at 4 (MKG, Barnes, Beal in that order) But I dunno.
I hope Orlando tells Houston to buzz off, and they ship us one of their 3 picks for AV. #pipedream
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I've had many drunken nights in my parents driveway and I could still probably hit 4/10.
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And still not be set at the two most important scoring positions on the floor.
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And still not be set at the two most important scoring positions on the floor.
My point was that IMO I don't think Beal or Barnes makes us "set" at either position...
Especially Beal...
So if it gos Davis/MKG/Barnes?
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If we could come out of this draft with a core of Kyrie, MKG, TT, and Melo? 
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My point of the  is that there really only seems to be one prospect every is happy about in this draft. We pick at four (weird how this is the second consecutive NBA draft along with an NFL draft in the middle where we've had the 4th pick) and we're debating prospect #2 - #5 (you tell me which is which) plus others and there's still no consensus on who would be the best option, let alone who is a realistic selection. I'm almost to the point where I'm with nologo where we should take jeremy lamb... at least his main poblem is that he's skinny. Robinson: 6'9" PF/C tweener, not a good scorer or shot blocker (how many of those have we gone through?) Barnes: can't create his own shot MKG: can't shoot Beal: "Short" and not particularly athletic If for some reason Portland wanted to swap 6 and 11 for 4 and 24 (seems like a pipe dream. Maybe 6 + 11 + 41 for 4 + 24 + 33?) then take Lamb and Perry Jones? Maybe Barnes falls to 6 and Zeller at 11? Barnes/Rivers? I don't know, this seems like a tough turd to polish to me. Maybe I'm just having a bad day.
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Comparing the NFL and NBA drafts is weird.
There's 22 positions in the NFL, versus 5 in the NBA...
So you'd think that, with basically the same amount of teams in the college ranks, and adding in the international teams football doesn't have, there would be an over abundance of Basketball talent coming into the NBA, making picking someone at 24, or let alone 4, practically shooting fish in a barrel...
Guess not.
The NBA has 5 starters and what 12 on the roster? So it is much harder to make an NBA roster of 12 than Nfl roster of 53.
Indeed, and really, you only have 3 positions in BB, center, forward,guard
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Indeed, and really, you only have 3 positions in BB, center, forward,guard
You obviously don't watch much basketball.
There's MAJOR differences in a Point Guard and Shooting Guard and a Small Forward and Power Forward.
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You obviously don't watch much basketball.
There's MAJOR differences in a Point Guard and Shooting Guard and a Small Forward and Power Forward.
Not if you're the Bobcats.
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You obviously don't watch much basketball.
There's MAJOR differences in a Point Guard and Shooting Guard and a Small Forward and Power Forward.
LOL....I watch plenty...college anyway.
You have 3 positions.
Follow the bouncing ball here.....you have forwards, guards, and a center.
Name some other positions if you feel differently.
No mumbo jumbo. What other position is there? Name it. Now!.
Again, you have a center, two forwards and two guards. Right??
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He said there was a difference between a PF and an SF, and SG and PG...
Which is true.
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I'm seeing a lot of reports about us trading 4 and 24 to move up to 2 or 3 to get beal or kidd-gilchrist... say it ain't so!!
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I have no problem with it if they feel that strongly about whoever they are moving up to get. If they think MKG or Beal or anyone else is just that much better than what can be available at 4, you do it.
I still don't think they do anything, but then again I didn't think the Browns would move up a spot to assure TR33.
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I hope my answer isn't considered invalid since I wasn't on 'Now!' to answer your question.
There's 5 positions.
POINT guard SHOOTING guard SMALL forward POWER forward Center
In your world, Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant play the same position.
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well, we can forget about MKG. Charlotte just traded away their starting SF for a SG and a 2013 1st rounder. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/809962...tons-ben-gordonBobcats trade for Ben Gordon Updated: June 27, 2012, 3:37 AM ET By Chad Ford | ESPN.com The Detroit Pistons have agreed to trade Ben Gordon and a 2013 protected first-round draft pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for swingman Corey Maggette. Hollinger: Names Not Key In Deal Ben Gordon and Corey Maggette aren't the key pieces in the trade between Charlotte and Detroit. It's about a draft pick and cap relief, writes John Hollinger. Story Sources told ESPN.com the first-round pick going to Charlotte is lottery-protected in 2013, top-eight protected in 2014, top-one protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016. The deal provides significant long-term savings for the Pistons. Maggette is in the last year of his contract that pays him $10.9 million during the 2012-13 season. Gordon has two years, $25.6 million left on his contract, giving the Pistons a long-term savings of $14 million. Gordon averaged 12.5 points last season, including a 45-point outing at Denver in which he tied his own NBA record by making nine 3-pointers without a miss. The NBA's Sixth Man of the Year in 2005 with Chicago spent three disappointing seasons in Detroit, averaging 12.4 points. Maggette was limited to 32 games last season because of injuries, averaging 15 points. The 13-year veteran, in the final year of his contract, has averaged 16.2 points in his career. For the Bobcats, they get a much needed shooter in their backcourt. In a recent interview after a pre-draft workout, new coach Mike Dunlap told reporters that was the team's biggest need. "Definitely, shooters," Dunlap said. "The ability to make the 3[-pointer] is really important because it allows you to play inside. What happens [in the absence of quality shooting] is the defense collapses and it gets crowded in there. "It's always nice to have guys who can shoot a basketball." "With this trade, we have acquired two things we covet in our plan to build this team," said Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins. "By acquiring a young and proven talent in Ben Gordon and a future first-round draft pick, we have both addressed our need for three-point shooting and acquired an additional asset to help continue to improve our team in the future." The Bobcats may not be done dealing. Sources say the team is looking at several other trade options, including trading the No. 2 pick in Thursday night's draft. The Bobcats are looking to add multiple assets. The team has spoken with several teams, but its talks with the Cleveland Cavaliers have been the most substantive. The Cavs have the Nos. 4, 24, 33 and 34 picks in the draft. If Cleveland is willing to offer both No. 4 and No. 24, it might be able to get a deal done by draft night.If the Bobcats keep the No. 2 pick, the addition of Gordon may end talk that they'll take Florida's Bradley Beal at No. 2. Beal, like Gordon, is an undersized sharpshooter. Kansas' Thomas Robinson and Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are also in the mix for the Bobcats at No. 2. This trade won't change the draft focus of the Pistons, however. They are leaning strongly toward taking a big man with the No. 9 pick. UConn center Andre Drummond and North Carolina's John Henson are both getting strong consideration in Detroit, according to sources. An eight-year NBA veteran, Gordon has played in 594 career NBA games for the Bulls and Pistons, with averages of 16.5 points, 2.8 assists and 2.7 rebounds in 29.9 minutes per game. He has shot 43.6 percent from the field and 40.6 percent from beyond the 3-point line. He's an 86 percent career free throw shooter. His career 3-point percentage currently ranks 12th among active players and 21st in NBA history, while his career free throw percentage ranks 10th among active players and 31st all-time. The 6-foot-3 Gordon was initially selected by the Bulls out of Connecticut with the third overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft. He signed with the Pistons during the 2009 offseason, part of a makeover that also included the addition of Charlie Villanueva. Detroit has not made the playoffs since then, and Gordon hasn't come close to the 20.7-point average of his final season in Chicago. The Pistons are now rebuilding around young players like Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight. They cut ties with Richard Hamilton before last season, and now Gordon leaves after starting only 21 games in 2011-12. Those two departures leave Detroit with a bit less of a logjam on the perimeter. Knight was drafted in the first round last year, and with Rodney Stuckey also in the backcourt, Gordon came off the bench more often than not last season. Maggette was acquired by the Bobcats on June 23, 2011, as part of a three-team trade in which the Bobcats received Maggette from Milwaukee and the draft rights to Bismack Biyombo from Sacramento, in exchange for sending Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the draft rights to Tobias Harris to Milwaukee. Gordon was slated to earn base $12.4 million next season and $13.2 million in 2013-14, which immediately makes him the highest-paid player on the Bobcats roster. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. Not sure how realistic I think the trade talks are. Why would Charlotte trade away MKG if they just traded away their SF? Maybe thinking Barnes at 4?
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Not sure how realistic I think the trade talks are. Why would Charlotte trade away MKG if they just traded away their SF? Maybe thinking Barnes at 4?
Many people have them taking Robinson at #2 in many mocks I've looked at ... this wouldn't change that. I don't think Maggette was their number one option at SF either. They still need help at PF and SF, so it's pretty much down to MKG or T.Rob for them.
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In your world, Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant play the same position.
I mean Chris Paul and Ray Allen are basically the same person...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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In fairness ....
Often times a backup SG will also see time at SF ... or at PG .......
A backup PF may also see minutes at C ......
There are a lot of guys who have to be versatile in order to remain in the NBA.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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That's not the point. And you know it! 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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