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As we get closer to the draft, I have spent hours debating with friends and family in the Cleveland area of what we will do (I live at the beach now, I couldn't take the snow anymore!!)

I would be perfectly contempt with this draft here...please let me know your thoughts as I have read many of your posts on the topic and respect the idea of debating over players (I'll prolly agree to disagree with some of you though)

4 - HB, Richardson
22 - OL, Glenn

Glenn is versatile and can play both guard and tackle. Team him up with our young and up-and-coming line, we will start winning games in the trenches. Put Richardson behind a line of Thomas, Pinckston, Mack, Lauvao, and Glenn...I think that could be pretty nasty as far as both run blocking and pass protection.

37 - OLB, David

Torn here with taking a WR, but I think we can get quality WR's that have size and hands to help out McCoy (I'm a fan of taller WR's). I think adding David into our front 7 would be a great addition to our young (for the most part) and talented defense

67 - SS, Taylor

We miss out on one LSU defensive back, so we add another at a position we are thin at.

100 - WR, Toon
118 - CB, Norman
139 - WR, McNutt

I love the potential upside of all 3 of these guys. Norman adds a little more depth and can battle for a potential starting spot. Toon and McNutt are both big wideouts that I think could fit in nicely with Little to give us 3 big WR's. Norwood, Cribbs, Mo Mass can battle it out for the slot WR (I liked what I saw out of Norwood towards the end of the year last year)

160 - DE, Bequette (add depth)
204 - WR, Page (gotta get a local guy)
205 - QB, Keenum/Moore (both are proven winners in college like Colt)

7th round add OL, K, and a P

Let the bashing begin!

I'm fine with the 1st 2 picks.

I would take Weeden instead of David. We desperately need help at QB immediately.

I'm not sure about the Safety in the 3rd round. I think that there could be better value there, especially since we have Ward and Hagg already at SS, and I think that the team likes both of them.

I love McNutt late .... I'm just not sure he'll be available that late.

I want no part of a 6' QB ever again. I want a big, strong QB who can make all of the throws. Neither of the 2 QBs you target late have any NFL upside IMHO.

I wouldn't be upset with that draft. Not sure Toon is the best fit for our offense, but not sure he's not, either. Really, outside of that they all look like players I'd like us to get.

Bequette lasting to 160 is very improbable and not sure we really need another SS as high as pick 67...there are bigger needs and better players imho...not a fan of Glenn who had inconsistent tape and weight problems (remnds me too much of another Georgia OL: Max Jean Gilles)

Wouldn't complain too hard. I'd wish we got a Defensive End higher up and another O-Lineman though . . .

And I'd PRAY that those WRs were a big piece of the puzzle taken care of . . . .

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I would take Weeden instead of David. We desperately need help at QB immediately.

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No we don't. We need THE ANSWER at QB (no, not Allen Iverson ) We don't need a 29 year old marginal upgrade or a high second round pick that may or may not be very good. You don't take Weeden because you think he "can help".. you take Weeden if you think he is the guy for the next 7 years.

As for the rest of the draft, it's not bad but I don't like the fact that we ignore the WR spot until the 4th round.. we need a #1 WR, not our 4th #3 WR.

By taking Richardson and Glenn and no QB or WR... I don't see how that fits at all with the kind of offense Shurmur wants to run.

He's 28, but he's far more than a marginal upgrade.

He has anticipation that McCoy can never even hope to have. His arm is much stronger, and his accuracy puts McCoy to shame. He can make throws McCoy cannot, and will never be able to make.

He's not my top choice at QB, obviously, but he would be a significant upgrade over McCoy. He could well be the guy for the next 5-7 years. If not, then we've spent a 2nd round pick. if he is, then we're set for the next 5-7 (or more) years.

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He has anticipation that McCoy can never even hope to have. His arm is much stronger, and his accuracy puts McCoy to shame. He can make throws McCoy cannot, and will never be able to make.

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ytown, please understand... I do not give a flying rats arse how Brandon Weeden compares to Colt McCoy... I want to know how he compares to Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger and other QBs who have led or are positioned to lead their teams to super bowls... (you know, the same guys Colt McCoy gets compared to) If I don't think he has a real good chance of being one of those guys pretty quick then I pass.

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He could well be the guy for the next 5-7 years. If not, then we've spent a 2nd round pick. if he is, then we're set for the next 5-7 (or more) years.

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If he's not, we didn't spend it, we wasted it..... because if he's not we've passed on a legit #37 pick like Jordy Nelson or Deshawn Jackson we panicked and reached for a QB who should be in his second contract right now.

You act like there is no opportunity cost to taking a flyer on a guy high in the second round if he doesn't work out.. and there is... and it's big.

he worked almost exclusively from the shotgun
he had an extremely limited playbook to worry about
he has a huge tendency to be backing up as he throws short passes
he floats most of his deep balls caused by a 'wind-up' motion
he had an inordinate amount of screen passes
you over-rate his accuracy
he played against poor pass defenses
he had the most dominant YAC WR in college football
oh, and he's going to be 29

but hey, besides that he's worth a 2nd round pick



that is Weeden against the only tough pass defense in the BigXII from last year. he had 3 INTs dropped and another one that was returned for a TD called back because he stepped out the back of the endzone.

He also played against, and beat, the top 3 QBs in this draft.

The things that make him a better potential pro IMO are his accuracy, arm strength, ball placement, ability to lead a receiver, and so on.

These are all areas in which Cole McCoy lacks. Badly.

Weeden is not Luck or RG3, obviously, but he's possibly the next best QB in this draft. (and yes, I'd take him before Tannehill, who I think is massively overrated)

take a look at the tape.

i don't see the arm strength (his deep balls float)

Colt was pretty good at leading his WRs in college too on those short slants with the DBs back (remember the Fiesta Bowl game as a prime example)

you are severely overrating his accuracy. i see it as okay in the mid-range but nothing special. Colt isn't any better, but I'm not wasting a high pick on someone who isn't significantly better than Colt.

i would take Tannehill over Weeden anyday. Tannehill at least has the elite tools. I don't think he will ever be able to control those tools if we draft him at #4 and throw him out there right away (which we would likely do at some point next year) and I am scared to death how inconsistent he is especially when a couple things go poorly. But, I at least get why Mourg, Heldawg and others like him as a prospect.

I don't get the Weeden-love at all (other than if people hate both of them then wasting the #37 pick is better than the #4)

I really like Bequette.. He has the potential to be a sure fire threat in this NFL.

McCoy is awful at leading receivers ... but especially throwing receivers to open areas. The problem is compounded when the receiver is single covered and moving through the zone as opposed to sitting down in a zone. He is awful at throws to moving receivers. Pathetic really.

Weeden can lead receivers, especially moving receivers. He has great anticipation, and knows how to throw a receiver open. He would make our receivers better just by the way he plays the game.

It's like racing a car ..... but with McCoy we only use first gear. We need a guy who knows how to shift into higher gears if we ever want to succeed.

Colt was good at it in college. I agree that he was not good at it last season for the Browns.

So, who is to say that Weeden when he's actually forced to take snaps from under center, go through progressions and read complex defenses won't have the same adjustment issues? And he had his fair share of passes leading WRs into defenders as well (it happens).

Perhaps. However, like I said, if he fails, then we still have the ability to take a QB high next year. He would have cost us a 2nd round pick.

To me, that's a justifiable risk on a team without a legitimate starting QB.

if I thought he was good, then I would agree

We'll see what happens on draft day.

I have a hunch ...... a gut feeling ...... a flip of the coin came up heads 5 times in a row ....... I think that Weeden will be a Cleveland Brown.

Dunno why ..... just a feeling.

I think 3 wr's is a bit overkill.

I think that if you want Glenn then you will have to move up 3-4 spots to make sure you get him.

i agree those are concerns with Blackmon. i see a better overall body of work with him than Weeden and i see him with similar underneath separation in that TX game as in the others. he wasn't just a go deep and get it guy at OkState, so there is less plays when he was trying to do that.

i am leaning back towards Richardson at #4 because I think he gives the most value at this point and like the combination of Richardson/Sanu/Osemele or even Richardson/Glenn/Sanu (if we think Sanu will be there at #37 and Glenn drops to #22 - i have my doubts about each)