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We don’t know who will take snaps at quarterback for the Browns next year. We do know who will call the plays: The same guy that called them last year. Pat Shurmur said Wednesday that he will remain the team’s playcaller, while new offensive coordinator Brad Childress will assist Shurmur on gamedays in the booth. Playcalling ability is probably an overrated skill in the NFL and Shurmur understandably doesn’t want to give up one of the most fun parts of the job. That’s only a problem if a head coach that also calls plays struggles in game management on Sundays. It’s hard to evaluate Shurmur’s rookie season, but we can say without question that he struggled with clock and game management aspects of the job. While we’re talking Browns offense, we also wanted to pass along Childress’ message about Robert Griffin III. Childress was asked if Griffin could fit the West Coast offense. “Don’t think you hesitate if think he’s guy you’re looking for,” Childress said. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/brad-childress-wont-call-the-plays-in-cleveland/
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different??
And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different?? And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are. JMO 
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And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
That has to be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on here. Wow.
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I really didn't have a problem with Shurmur's playcalling anyway. The playcalling would probably look better if the QB didn't do the 1 read and dump to the RB on just about every play.
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And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
That has to be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on here. Wow.
Random ... Yes. Out of left field... Yes. Weird.... Ya I'd say. Dumbest thing ever posted on here.... Not even close.
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different??
And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
JMO
I think he looks more like Col. Flagg from MASH.
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And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
That has to be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on here. Wow.
Maybe you haven't learned that in life.....take it as a life lesson or a life lesson ignored.
Pay attention in the future and maybe you will understand. It isn't hard, and has worked for me. If you think it stupid, I don't care what you or anybody thinks. Do what you want.
And I say that with sincerity and with respect since some take it when I say that as some sort of insult. You know I consider you a friend.
Shurmer looks like a rat.
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I thought that this had already been publicly established shortly after the hiring?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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OMG! The likeness is actually kinda scary, hehe! 
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I really didn't have a problem with Shurmur's playcalling anyway. The playcalling would probably look better if the QB didn't do the 1 read and dump to the RB on just about every play.
or if a tight end isn't playing fullback...
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Ok...that guy does.....they both look like rats. 
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different??
Nope, that's why we have a lame brain at offensive coordinator.
What respectable oc would come here and defer the play calling to Shurmur.
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different??
Nope, that's why we have a lame brain at offensive coordinator.
What respectable oc would come here and defer the play calling to Shurmur.
Sort of my feelings.
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Did anyone really expect anything any different??
Everyone who took Shurmur's statement that he'd be open to relinquishing playcalling duties to the right guy and ran with it, I'd guess.
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Naturally. Did anyone really expect anything any different??
And no....I don't like UnShurmer. I've never liked people who look like rats because they always are.
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I think he looks more like Col. Flagg from MASH.
Jeez. You couldn't be more right. I'd have never made that connection.
You must be some kind of MASH aficionado
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Did anyone really expect anything any different??
Everyone who took Shurmur's statement that he'd be open to relinquishing playcalling duties to the right guy and ran with it, I'd guess.
I don't define Brad Childress, a guys who claim to fame was working in Philly and NOT calling plays (did he call them in Minny?) as the "right guy"
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Then why was he hired?
I think he called the plays in Minny for like half a season. It was some incredibly short amount of time.
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What respectable oc would come here and defer the play calling to Shurmur.
Sort of my feelings.
See, I think you'll see that with more time/focus to game plan (now that there is an OC who focuses solely on offense, and hopefully better reads by whoever our QB ends up being, we'll be better.
Childress has gotten praise from past players as an OC. He was a successful head coach in Minnesota, before losing his job. And look where they are now, 2nd draft pick..........
As for looking like a rat, I think it's a silly point.
When I was in High School a couple kids insulted me at different times by saying that I looked like a rat. If that's the case (that somehow I have some facial/body similarities to a rat), is that supposed to mean that I'm a crappy/untrustworthy person?
I just don't think we can judge someone based on animals they might seem to have similarities to..... Just seems ridiculous to me.
We agree on a lot of things Peen, especially politics. And I read your posts on a lot of things not related to football because I respect people who are older than me and because they've generally experienced more. I find you to be an intelligent guy. But that's something I'm not with you on at all. Kinda makes me upset, especially since people have said i look like a rat before (even if it was 8+ years ago....)
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Did anyone really expect anything any different??
Everyone who took Shurmur's statement that he'd be open to relinquishing playcalling duties to the right guy and ran with it, I'd guess.
To recap that.. Shurmur said the would relinquish playcalling duties to the "right guy". Then he interviews and hires Chilly for OC. Subsequent to that hire he says he will retain playcalling duties and Chiily will "assist" him.
Per his own statements Chilly is not the "right guy" as Shurmur did not in fact relinquish playcalling duties to Chilly.
If Chilly is not the right guy.. why did this HC and FO hire the "WRONG GUY"?
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Reading into it a bit?
I don't think he is reading in to it at all. That was my interpretation as well. Why go through all the motions to hire another wrong guy?
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I agree.
Shurmer keeps it open to attract candidates, then maybe a week after hiring the guy he says he is retaining that role.
That's the rat I was talking about.
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Chris Cooley made the statement that play calling doesn't work unless the players do their part.
blocking
catching
passing
knowing their assignments
etc.
doing just a little bit better in all of this will go a long way
AFAIK every play is designed to be a touchdown
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Chris Cooley made the statement that play calling doesn't work unless the players do their part.
blocking
catching
passing
knowing their assignments
etc.
doing just a little bit better in all of this will go a long way
AFAIK every play is designed to be a touchdown
Who's job is it to make sure the players know what to do on each play?
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Shurmer looks like a rat.
I'm just curious, how would you catageorize that?
1 Phiscally,
2 In his behaviors,
3 or He comes across as the type that would do something to get that name, but hasn't yet exhibited it. aka stool pigeon.
Anyway, general response:
The buck stops with the head coach. The Browns aren't going to win any playoff games without a coaching, Advantage!,. Pat Schurmur doesn't inspire much confidence that he's providing an advantage in what I've observed in the games yet.
But It's still early.
There are some litmus tests. There are some almost like an economic indicator for the president. Unemployment above 8% is a bad indicator. Well these are some bad indicators and not so Huge goals I hope the Browns and the Coach can overcome.
The record vs the superdivision. Teams once in the Browns division in the last 25 years. The current division + vs Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, (because the oilers were from Houston and now the Texans are from the same city.
The biggest HOPE here, the ability to not look back at any point going forward and see the Browns went 2-5 or worse in their last 7 games. Actually, to go 1 full season and not see a 2-5 stretch during any 7 games.
There are more indicators of if the HC is working out, but just stick with those for now.
Pat Schurmur is going to get better, but how much better? Will he ever provide a coaching advantage? He Sure CAN! But he hasn't much yet. ( to be the better HC of the two during a game).
You have to give the guy time, but He has to show something too. As time goes forward the leash has to get shorter, He has to start putting up wins or answering questions why not.
The Buck stops with the Head Coach.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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OK, let me see if I have this straight......If a guy looks like a rat then he's a rat.
So it follows if a guy looks like Ted Bundy, he's obviously a serial killer.
If a guy has really long hair, like Tom Brady did for quite a while, then he's obviously a girly boy.
If a women has short hair then she's most assuredly a lesbian.
I suppose I could go on but do I really need to?
You or anyone else certainly have a right to dislike Shurmur. At this early stage I'm not sure why you'd dislike him so vehemently but it's certainly your right.
But demeaning a man's character, a man that you don't know from Adam, with a statement like you made is so incredibly dumb I'm not only shocked you would make it with a straight face but that you would attempt to defend it.
What's almost as bad is that no one else has said a thing about it.
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Jeez. You couldn't be more right. I'd have never made that connection.
You must be some kind of MASH aficionado
I love MASH (watched it with my dad as kid and still love the reruns), but I also have a knack for spotting "celebrity look alikes".
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Shurmer keeps it open to attract candidates, then maybe a week after hiring the guy he says he is retaining that role.
That's the rat I was talking about.
Something makes me want to assume, as you are assuming the opposite, that play calling duties were discussed before the hire. Had we gotten Mike Shurman then Shurmur may well have given up the play calling.
To pull a switcharoo like you propose would be rat-like. But if that was his M.O. he'd have little to no respect around the league. He'd have never climbed through the coaching ranks into the NFL. He wouldn't have lasted in Philly, he wouldn't have been hired in St. Louis and certainly wouldn't have been hired by Holmgren.
Last but not least, since Shurmur and Chilly worked together for 9 years in Philly, more than a few as QB coach and OC, Chilly certainly would not have taken the OC job under Shurmur the two-faced rat.
Of course those are only my opinions. But they make a hell of lot more logical sense than pre-judging a person because of his facial appearance. Of all people on here I would never have expected you to do that.
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Pat Shurmur said Wednesday that he will remain the team’s playcaller, while new offensive coordinator Brad Childress will assist Shurmur on gamedays in the booth.
Childress is going to be upstairs with a headset on and in direct contact with Shurmur...what do you think Childress is going to say to Shurmur?
At the very least, Childress will have the power of suggestion...such as, "Zorro 21 X cross" is open...then Shurmur calls "Zorro 21 X cross"...
So, who called the play?...Childress or Shurmur?
From what I have read, in the past these two have worked well together, so I would expect egos are not going to be an issue. Childress might make 75% of the "suggestions" from upstairs but it will appear that Shurmur is calling all the plays.
I think it's a great way to teach a young coach how to become a better play caller.
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I, for one, am happy about this announcement. I think we dodged a bullet by not handing things off directly to Childress. Its said by many that Childress only called plays for the vikes for half a season. That is simply not true. He carried a clip board with the offensive plays, he had a head set on and his jaw was always a flappin' like he was calling the plays. Now, was he getting suggestions from upstairs- then relaying it in or switching to something else- anybodies guess. Even Bevell, after Chilli was canned, said that it would be nice to have the handcuffs off and the freedom to call a game as he wanted. But too me, i see alot of similarities on how Childress did things with the vikes and how Shumur says he plans to do things. In the end, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill- as long as ego's stay in check and they work well together- this is a non issue. And on the rat thing--- i think Childress is in the running as well.
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Its said by many that Childress only called plays for the vikes for half a season. That is simply not true. He carried a clip board with the offensive plays, he had a head set on and his jaw was always a flappin' like he was calling the plays. Now, was he getting suggestions from upstairs- then relaying it in or switching to something else- anybodies guess.
big...yep, anyone's guess what communication may have taken place between the guy calling the play in to the QB and who may have been in his ear just prior to the start of the jaw flappin.
The coaches upstairs have a better view of game than those on the sidelines so it just makes sense that Childress would pass along his suggestions to Shurmur.
As for the "rat thing"...maybe someone was looking into a mirror...
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Ballpeen has been served well by his own personal indicator. You can not agree with it all you want, but to call a man dumb for it?
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Childress is going to be upstairs with a headset on and in direct contact with Shurmur...what do you think Childress is going to say to Shurmur?
Hey Pat.. are we doing Sushi after the game?
I've often wondered.. which of the following constitutes "calling the plays"
1. The guy in the booth telling the guy on the sidelines what to run
2. Or the guy on the sidelines telling the QB what to run
I'm asking because I really honestly don't know
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Ballpeen has been served well by his own personal indicator. You can not agree with it all you want, but to call a man dumb for it?
It is, sorry...it's pretty much as dumb as racism...history lesson anyone? Remeber who last tried to "judge" certain people on physiology in WW2? It was dumb then, and it is dumb now
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