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Why o why in heavens name would we waste a dime on a guy that would serve the same purpose as McCoy and/or Wallace.
If you want a starter and he's there when you draft, take him.. But please, no more has beens/never was guys..
I agree...We bring in these QB's with high hopes and expectations...and then mid season are ready to string them from the Dawg Pound Goal post..
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Why o why in heavens name would we waste a dime on a guy that would serve the same purpose as McCoy and/or Wallace.
If you want a starter and he's there when you draft, take him.. But please, no more has beens/never was guys..
I agree...We bring in these QB's with high hopes and expectations...and then mid season are ready to string them from the Dawg Pound Goal post..
Exactly,, we need to quit screwing around.. Find the guy somehow and keep what we got until you do..
And until we do, keep adding pieces and parts to build a better total team.
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But let's be honest,, Jason Campbell isn't the stud/elite QB that a few want us to give up our draft to move up to get.
he's a stop gap at best. Someone to put in place while a young guy learns the ropes..
The problem is, we have one of those AND we have a guy that started most games last year. both are under contract and both have the beginnings of the system that is being installed.
Why o why in heavens name would we waste a dime on a guy that would serve the same purpose as McCoy and/or Wallace.
I agree with you completely. If we draft a guy that we deem isn't ready to start from day 1 but you view him as the heir apparent.. then the only logical thing to do is let McCoy start.. picking up a Jason Campbell (the Vinny Testaverde of this generation) makes no sense.
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so why not run Colt out there and have a chance he plays well so that we can trade him for picks?
IMHO, he is not helping the development of the WRs and OL at all. This is one area where a guy like Campbell would be very helpful. However, if we draft RG3, add Campbell ........and then keep McCoy ...... what do we do with a guy like Wallace? Further, what about a guy that the team seems to think could develop into a quality backup in the future in Lewis? I am leery of doing a complete, or almost complete turnover at the QB position again this year. We did a complete turnover 2 years ago when we added Delhomme, Wallace, and McCoy to the team. No one had ideal reps in the pre-season, and no one was really prepared when Delhomme went down with injury. It's just the nature of the beast. There just wasn't time.
I am really concerned about having a repeat of that kind of situation.
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he is not helping the development of the WRs
Yeah, and they aren't helping his either 
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That said, he's not the QB of the future. Mac had it backwards when he said JC's 7 years were more like 5 years. He's played behind some brutal olines and been knocked around quite a bit. Plus you can toss a season-ending shoulder injury on top of that. That's wear and tear.
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Campbell did not play his rookie season..
...2005, zero starts
...2006 Campbell started the last 7 games and was sacked 7 times
...2007 Campbell started 13 games and was sacked 21 times. He missed the last 3 games after suffering a dislocated the patellar ligament against the Bears...no surgery was required.
...2008 Campbell started 16 games, 38 sacks.
...2009 he started 16 games, 43 sacks
...2010 with Oakland, he started 12 games, 33 sacks
...2011 6 starts before breaking his collarbone while playing against the Browns, 5 sacks
Campbell has been sacked 147 times in his 7 seasons which averages out to 24.5 sacks per season. For comparison purposes, Eli Manning has been sacked 194 times in 8 seasons = 24.25 sacks per season...Big Ben has been sacked 314 times in 8 seasons = 39.25 sacks per season.
As you point out, Campbell's offensive line was less than average in Washington, yet Campbell managed to put up his best stats in the two season he was sacked the most times. Imagine what his stats might have been if he had an above average offensive line.
...2008 was Campbell first year with Zorn as his HC
...3,245 passing yds
...62.3% completion percentage
...13 tds/6 ints
...38 sacks
...84.3 qb rating
...2009 was Campbell's second season with Zorn
...3,618 passing yds
...64.5% completion percentage
...20 tds/15 ints
...43 sacks
...86.4 qb rating
I stand by comment..."Campbell is 30 yrs old and has been in the NFL for 7 seasons but in game experience and wear and tear on his body, Campbell has approx 5 yrs."
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...oober says...Plus you can toss a season-ending shoulder injury on top of that. That's wear and tear.
That "shoulder injury" was a broken collarbone, which has healed with no problem.
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I would take Campbell as a starter right now. He is a quality player, who has been on bad teams. He was doing very good in Oakland until the Browns game. I would dump Wallace in a second to bring in Campbell, and keep Colt as the back up.
IMO this frees up the draft to add playmakers with the two first rounders. With solid line play, Campbell could be good. He also knows this offense.
All this talk about "the guy to lead us to the superbowl" is silly. This team is building for the future, a guy like Campbell could help alot. He could easily hold down the QB position while the pieces are put into place. This also could give Colt a chance to compete with someone with better talent than Wallace and starting experience.
Campbell is not a bum. He has done well as a starter. I would take him over Flynn right now just due to his experience and talent level. Flynn might be very good, I don't think anybody actually knows for sure. Campbell is what he is, there is no question marks about him.
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Compare VY and Campbell's W/L records:
VY 31-19
Campbell 31-39
VY would have to lose 20 straight games to equal Campbell. LOL
Also, his final year in TN, he was top 5 in pass efficiency. The new QBR rating puts his season before that as 6th in the NFL. (2010 didn't qualify because of attempts, but it no doubt would have been top 5)
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He was the only reason they won any games Fisher's final two years.
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...and what about hits? You throw around average sack totals, but don't include hurries/hits. Technically, James Harrison's season-ending hit on McCoy wasn't a sack.
He's had a couple injuries, and he's played behind some pretty brutal o-lines. You can throw your averages out there, but I don't buy it. The guy is just as beat up as he should be, if not more so, for a 30 year old quarterback.
That said, a couple posters had some interesting point about McCoy and Wallace. If we're going to go with a stopgap, we might as well go with one of the ones we current have on our roster. That seems pretty logical. The only reason I see us going the other direction is that Holmy has made his career on picking up promising FA quarterbacks and turning them into franchise guys. It will be interesting to see what he does this offseason.
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...and what about hits? You throw around average sack totals, but don't include hurries/hits. Technically, James Harrison's season-ending hit on McCoy wasn't a sack.
He's had a couple injuries, and he's played behind some pretty brutal o-lines. You can throw your averages out there, but I don't buy it. The guy is just as beat up as he should be, if not more so, for a 30 year old quarterback.
oober...Campbell has had two injuries that kept him out of games...the collar bone last season cost Campbell 10 potential starts.
...he missed the last 3 games in 2007 due to a dislocated the patellar ligament, which did not require surgery.
My research shows Campbell has not had a concussion, which is a good thing for a veteran QB. You want to claim Campbell is beat up, but the way I see it, compared to Ben Roethlisberger, Campbell is in good shape when it comes to bumps and bruises.
I will point this out again...Campbell is just over 6'5" and weighs 230 lbs, the same size as Big Ben minus 10 lbs. Big Ben has one more season in the NFL than Campbell, but has been sacked 314 times vs 147 times for Campbell.
Even with all the abuse you claim Campbell has suffered, he maintains a career completion percentage of 60.8 and a career QB rating of 82.8...not bad for a 30 yr old free agent QB who played his entire career behind "some pretty brutal o-lines".
If the Browns can't convince Matt Flynn to play for Cleveland or if the price to bring him to Cleveland is beyond our budget, Campbell might be the second best option, IMO.
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Just clicking.
Man, I'm really livid at the team that broke Campbell's collar bone. If those jerks didn't do that, then we might be able to form a better opinion....
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Just clicking.
Man, I'm really livid at the team that broke Campbell's collar bone. If those jerks didn't do that, then we might be able to form a better opinion....
well, the Bengals wouldn't have gotten a 1st and a 2nd from the Raiders at least
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Campbell has put up slightly above average #s on teams comparable in talent to the Browns. In all honesty I wouldn't complain if we were getting 200 yds 1.1 TD and .7Int with a 61% comp rate at 6.8y/a at this point.
It would be a sensible move regardless of whether we draft RGIII or not. If we don't we have someone competent until the right guy is available, allowing us to continue to fill holes.
If we do draft him, it's a competent starter to allow RGIII to sit and learn the NFL and WCO for a year or two. Campbell should play well enough to keep the armchair coaches at bay, shouldn't cost an arm and a leg, and neither will RGIII with the new slotting.
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That's a sensible opinion, and it's one I share.
Yeah, I've been on the Campbell bandwagon for a few years now. I've never hailed him as some savior, but as a steady guy who can be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
One poster jokingly noted that we've had a Campbell thread each of the last three years. It's true, but why? Because we've not had a qb during that time frame.
If the question is simply one of upgrading the position regardless of who we may or may not draft, signing Campbell is a no-brainer. He's better than any qb on our roster. Of course the equation becomes more complicated when you factor in the money and how jason campbell might feel about playing in front of a first round draft pick.
keeping this simple, the real question is whether or not colt mccoy is considered part of the solution or part of the problem. unfortunately for all of us he is considered part of the problem just like the quarterbacks who came before him. having said that, jason campbell would cost quite a bit more money than colt mccoy, and if we are considering replacing our quarterback with a first round pick, why spend the extra money now when this new quarterback is likely to play during his first year.
The entire puzzle is complex but if the bottom line is to get better right now you signed jason campbell in you don't look back.
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Bringing in a QB that has been with three teams in four years is part of a solution? How is a QB that no one wants to hang on to part of a solution? There is a reason he has been available so many times.
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If the question is simply one of upgrading the position regardless of who we may or may not draft, signing Campbell is a no-brainer. He's better than any qb on our roster. Of course the equation becomes more complicated when you factor in the money and how jason campbell might feel about playing in front of a first round draft pick.
See, I think with a full offseason to work with the coaches and the whole offense understanding WCO period, as well as normal improvement that a guy his age will make,
I'm willing to bet that Colt will be as good as Jason Campbell, if not better. I've always thought Colt got a raw deal last season with the lockout and stuff. Learning a new offense at training camp with very few weapons. He wasn't set up for success.
Colt should be better this year. I don't see Campbell being any better than Colt.
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Ugghh...no thanks on Campbell or McCoy. Get the franchise guy in here, whether they think it's Flynn, RG3, etc and settle on the position.
THIS is the year to get the QB.
I'd rather get the young guy in place and let him take his lumps to move forward than to play McCoy. Play McCoy so he can show us he's mediocre, gets the team to 6-10/7-9, which is his ceiling....only to take the team out of contention for a top QB next year.
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Fill the void NOW.
What if there is no answer. If the FO doesn't think Flynn is better than McCoy, nor Jason Campbell. They don't think RG3 is much of a sure thing (nor any QB in the draft) and we can't trade up for Andrew Luck?
If there's no option, we're better off getting good players on our team, or trading down again and trying to pick up some ammo to find a QB next year........
My opinion on this matter, I don't know much about RG3, and I don't trust any of the FA QB's. I'd love to trade for Luck, but I don't know if we can. I'm willing to lose all 1st round picks the next two years we have as well as our 3rd, 4th, and 5th this year to get the guy. But that might not even be enough.
If that's the case, and the FO doesn't think RG3 is gonna be a good QB, then I think we should draft good players for the Browns football team........ No use wasting a pick on a QB just to pick a QB (when you aren't confident he's the guy........)
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Fill the void NOW.
What if there is no answer. If the FO doesn't think Flynn is better than McCoy, nor Jason Campbell. They don't think RG3 is much of a sure thing (nor any QB in the draft) and we can't trade up for Andrew Luck?
If there's no option, we're better off getting good players on our team, or trading down again and trying to pick up some ammo to find a QB next year........
My opinion on this matter, I don't know much about RG3, and I don't trust any of the FA QB's. I'd love to trade for Luck, but I don't know if we can. I'm willing to lose all 1st round picks the next two years we have as well as our 3rd, 4th, and 5th this year to get the guy. But that might not even be enough.
If that's the case, and the FO doesn't think RG3 is gonna be a good QB, then I think we should draft good players for the Browns football team........ No use wasting a pick on a QB just to pick a QB (when you aren't confident he's the guy........)
I'm confident that this front office knows that McCoy is not the answer and won't suffer through another year with him. Holmgren already made an attempt to obtain Bradford in a previous draft. He knows that QB is the "straw that stirs the drink" and this team will continue to tread water until they fill that void.
It wouldn't thrill me but Kolb could be an option for Heckert if/when he becomes available. He's in a system (Cardinals) that he's not a fit for and it looks like they do have a fit (Skelton) for what they are looking to do. I'm not advocating Kolb but I could see him in their thought process.
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It wouldn't thrill me but Kolb could be an option for Heckert if/when he becomes available. He's in a system (Cardinals) that he's not a fit for and it looks like they do have a fit (Skelton) for what they are looking to do. I'm not advocating Kolb but I could see him in their thought process.
It seems to me that you're just throwing out names just to throw out names.
Holmgren wanted Bradford, but that doesn't mean that he didn't like McCoy (we did draft Colt after all).
There's plenty of QBs we can suffer through a season with, and if we don't get the right one then we're just going to suffer through a season with a different QB.
If there is no right one available, what do you want to do? Do you want to just get a guy to get a guy? Seems like a terrible idea to me. The FO has to be smart about their decisions.
Will Colt improve this year? Is the guy we're getting any better than what we have? If we spend the #4 pick on a guy, what are the chances that he's gonna be good? Do we really feel good about him?
Don't just change what we have just to change them. There has to be a plan/solution that makes sense
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It seems to me that you're just throwing out names just to throw out names.
What?
Kolb's name has been brought up on several occasions by quite a few sources. A) he's a WCO QB and doesn't fit what Arizona is trying to do (vertical game), B) they have found a QB (Skelton) who can sling it and C) Heckert was enamored enough with the guy to draft him.
If Kolb becomes available why wouldn't Heckert want to at least "kick the tires' on his guy?
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Skelton 7.0YPA
Kolb 7.7 YPA
Kolb was "slinging" it for a better average per attempt.
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So if Kolb did better than Skelton, why trade/cut Kolb? Would that not leave the Cardinals with a hole at quarterback? Also, I don't know the specifics, but don't the Cardinals still owe Kolb a poo-ton of money? They owe him a $7 million roster bonus on March 17th, so that's $7 million of the $21 million they guaranteed him. And if there's one thing we know about the Bidwell's (the owners of the Cardinals) it's that they don't like to waste money.
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Eh, even if Kolb becomes available, I just don't seem him as a much better option than Colt. As I said, I feel like that's just choosing names to choose names.
Give me Colt with a full offseason to improve his game and really learn the WCO over Kevin Kolb
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Kolb was better than Skelton last year. Don't feel like putting all the stats here again, so I'll make it simple:
Kolb 81.1 QB rating
Skelton 68.9 QB rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KolbKe00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SkelJo00.htm
Is it Kolbs fault the defense was terrible until the 2nd half of the year?
Ok.. I look at those numbers and think.. Kolb cost them a good cornerback, a second round pick and 5 years/$64 million with $21 million guaranteed... Skelton cost the cardinals 5 years/$1.9 million... and then I think.. he wasn't THAT MUCH better. 
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I agree. I do not think the Cardinals are happy with what they got from Kolb. But, because of that unhappiness, the media has taken to say that Skelton was great (because they were happy with him as a backup) and Kolb did terrible (as the starter). Even though Kolb was better than Skelton. That led some others (coughPFTcough) to say that means the Cardinals will cut Kolb (which they can't really do with his contract until after 2012 even if they wanted to). And that speculation has caused many to want to include him as an option for the Browns. So, in summary: Cardinals are not cutting Kolb. No need to spend any more time talking about him as an option this offseason 
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Bringing in a QB that has been with three teams in four years is part of a solution? How is a QB that no one wants to hang on to part of a solution? There is a reason he has been available so many times.
when he's better than what you have, he's part of the solution.
As for not being wanted, the raiders weren't displeased with him. He got hurt, so that dope Jackson panicked and threw an idiotic trade for palmer. The end result? A huge contract for a good but not great player and the loss of a 1st and 2nd rounded.
It's a leap to suggest he isn't wanted by the Raiders because of his play. He's available because of the panic move to acquire palmer.
So again, if its only about upgrading the position right now, Campbell is a smart move. Other factors are in play, though.
General comment here. Everyone wishes we had a franchise guy. That isn't as easy as acquiring one. Sometimes you take "better" instead of reaching. If we can't find a franchise guy, Campbell is an upgrade while we build the rest of the team.
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So again, if its only about upgrading the position right now, Campbell is a smart move. Other factors are in play, though.
General comment here. Everyone wishes we had a franchise guy. That isn't as easy as acquiring one. Sometimes you take "better" instead of reaching. If we can't find a franchise guy, Campbell is an upgrade while we build the rest of the team.
toad...Matt Flynn was my #1 choice for a free agent QB, but with the Dolphins landing the Packers OC, common sense says the Dolphins might have the inside track to land Flynn.
It is hard to say how many other teams might be interested in Flynn, but price tag to land Flynn could do well beyond what the Browns are willing to pay.
Realizing the odds of Flynn landing in Cleveland just got longer, it was time to consider free agent QB, plan B. IMO, Jason Campbell was the next best free agent QB...so I researched his NFL record.
As I said earlier in the thread, the record shows Campbell has been in the NFL for 7 years, but in actual play, he has played approx 5 seasons.
Joe Gibbs sat JC his rookie season and waited 9 games before starting Campbell the last 7 games of 2006. From 2007 to 2010 JC average 14.25 starts per season. Six games into the 2011 season, JC broke his collar bone playing against the Browns.
Campbell's stats can be viewed here... web page
Considering the quality of the supporting cast of the teams Campbell played on in Washington and Oakland, his QB performances are pretty darn good. As I pointed out, Campbell's best years were when Jim Zorn was the HC of the Skins, 2008 & 2009.
Zorn came to Washington via Seattle where he had coached the Seahawks QBs (7 seasons), under HC Mike Holmgren and OC Gil Haskell. Zorn taught Campbell his version of the WCO that Holmgren ran in Seattle. Looking at Campbell's stats, it doesn't look as if he had any problem adapting to Zorn's WCO...2008 and 2009 were Campbell's best years, statistically.
Here is the bottom line on Campbell...yes he is a 7 yr veteran (30yrs old), but he is far from "used up".
IMO, his best years might yet be ahead of him, if he is supported with good talent (OL-WR-RB).
As far as learning the Browns WCO, he should be able to adapt well since he already has 2 yrs. experience playing for Zorn.
Campbell's FA price tag will depend on how many other teams might be interested in him. Bottom line, it will be JC's choice as to where he plays.
...Free Agent Plans...
Plan A = Matt Flynn
Plan B = Jason Campbell
Plan C = ????? ... haven't decided who might be a third "free agent" Qb option.
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It's possible his best years are ahead of him. However, even though I'm pro-Campbell, it would be out of the ordinary to see him make large strides. I believe at this point in his career, he's close to a finished product. Really, he's in the same class as a guy like Smith in San Fran: A system guy who is going to be as good as the players around him. If he's on a bad team, he won't be able to elevate those around him like Peyton Manning has. Yet on a good team, he isn't going to be holding the offense back.
Beyond that, we see the guy as an upgrade.
As for Flynn, he's not the kind of guy I'd be willing to throw big money at. He's not ever going to have the kind of talent around him that he had in Green Bay, so the team that signs him is definitely buying-high.
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I liked Campbell coming out of college. He reminds me of Vinny Testaverde, in terms of his size, stature, athleticism, and arm. He doesn't have the howitzer Vinny did, but he also will probably not make the one or two DOH! throws per game that you could count on from Vinny. Anyway, comparing the two, I found that statistically, Campbell was much better up to age 30 than Vinny, which incidentally was the age Testaverde came to the Browns. Testaverde progressed from below-average to good to playoff caliber QB, after the age of 30, with the Browns, Ravens, and Jets. Not great, but good enough to win with. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TestVi00.htmI don't see any reason why Campbell couldn't progress from "pretty good" to "playoff caliber" in the last 6-7 years of his career. IMO, its a much better bet than using a 1st round pick on any QB not named Luck.
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I don't see any reason why Campbell couldn't progress from "pretty good" to "playoff caliber" in the last 6-7 years of his career. IMO, its a much better bet than using a 1st round pick on any QB not named Luck.
Dave...as I have stated a couple of times, in actual playing time, Campbell has more like 5 yrs experience playing in the NFL, not 7 yrs. With good coaching and an offense that has a good supporting staff (wr,rb, ol), Campbell's best football could be in the next 3 or 4 yrs.
I don't know how many times I've read on this message...I sure wish the Browns had taken Ben Roethlisberger.
Jason Campbell is just as tall as Ben at 6-5 and 10 lbs lighter at 230 lbs, and he is more mobile than Ben. His stats are pretty darn good considering the surrounding cast he has played with in Washington and Oakland.
For those who don't believe Campbell is capable of playing at a Super Bowl level...Campbell's career stats are as good as Eli Manning's career stats...
Eli... comp% = 58.4% ....qb rating = 82.1
JC....comp% = 60.8%.....qb rating = 82.8
What is not to like?
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I don't ever remember watching Campbell and thinking that he'd be a good pickup for the Browns...ever.
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I'm willing to bet that Colt will be as good as Jason Campbell, if not better. I've always thought Colt got a raw deal last season ...
Colt should be better this year. I don't see Campbell being any better than Colt.
If only there was some week by week, game by game comparison from the last 2 years.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I don't see any reason why Campbell couldn't progress from "pretty good" to "playoff caliber" in the last 6-7 years of his career. IMO, its a much better bet than using a 1st round pick on any QB not named Luck.
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Dave...as I have stated a couple of times, in actual playing time, Campbell has more like 5 yrs experience playing in the NFL, not 7 yrs. With good coaching and an offense that has a good supporting staff (wr,rb, ol), Campbell's best football could be in the next 3 or 4 yrs.
I didn't write that very well. I meant to say "in the final 6-7 years of his career", as in "going forward", I see no reason why Campbell can't progress - much like Vinny did after 30 - into a playoff-caliber, or better, QB. I'm assuming he plays until he's 36-37.
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Jason Campbell is just as tall as Ben at 6-5 and 10 lbs lighter at 230 lbs ...
Its beside the point, but I would bet my house that Ben tips the scales around 260-265. He looks heavier every time I see him. Its going to become an issue for him soon, imo, in terms of his mobility and overall effectiveness.
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why is there even a discussion about this guy? waste of time.
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Isn't that what we do here? Discuss things / waste time, I mean. Maybe I don't feel like picking up the dog poop outside, or going to the grocery yet ...
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How about looking for a back up OC whilst your out shopping
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why is there even a discussion about this guy? waste of time.
When a free agent qb who is better than what we have is available, the discussion is hardly a waste of time.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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why is there even a discussion about this guy? waste of time.
When a free agent qb who is better than what we have is available, the discussion is hardly a waste of time.
Jason Campbell sucks, it's time to move on from him Toad 
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