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Just when you'd forgotten this thread was ever posted-

What a difference another season makes, eh?

Still love the show. I like how the feds now have Reese in custody (along with 3 other "Guys in Suits," and that th secrets of The Machine are still in jeapordy of being revealed. (Loose threads be a Good Thang, yo-)

Fusco: stand-up guy that he is, is now endangered by HR's knowlege of his past, Carter is now compromised by her relationship with Pretty Boy (the HR mole), and knowledge of the machine is at even more risk.

I'm enjoying the fact that Season Two slowed down the pace, in order to 'flesh out' some backstory behind the principal characters. It maks me care about them more.... which "ups the stakes" with every plot twist the raises the stakes for them.

1. Carter's a Mom who will do anything to protect her teenaged son.
2. Finch still has a (possible) love life... if from afar. (The [almost] Ultimate Personal Sacrifice) I love that she's an Old-School "paint-on-canvas" illustrator/artist...
3. Reese has already made the Ultimate Sacrifice... The Love of His Life has already died- and we get to see how it happened (in flashback). Could Zoe be his next? (DAMN... that girl has a finely toned set of legs-)
4. Fusco risks everything... while the safety of his kid is always in jeopardy.

The sub-theme: EACH of the show's principals are sacrificing The Things We Take For Granted to work toward a better end for others.


I love a good "unsung hero" story... and in the fleshing-out of this show's principals, we get to see just how much they give up for The Cause.... without even really being 'friends.'

What's up for Season Three? Can we even hope to predict where the producers will take us?

What's up next for Finch and Reese?


Are you still.... a Person Of Interest?


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I like this show a lot, it's the first show I've liked enough to follow in a long time. There's a ton of little things that you can observe that keeps the show interesting.

In the last re-run they showed, the NSA woman was clearly troubled while talking to Nathan. It makes me more curious about what was happening in the time period where the machine was getting turned over. There is also Reece's old parter running around using a guy with a bomb strapped to him doing her bidding.

I'm curious about the Reece in jail thing. It you would think that he would get found out pretty quickly, especially since the FBI busted him.


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Well written show as well as with humor, dry, and wit. JC who got a raw deal in Hollywood after playing Jesus in the Passion movie, hopefully will see a return to better things!

As Michael Emerson is Ben Linus but in a good kind of way. Eccentric but caring.

Kevin Chapman as Lionel Fusco the rogue cop trying to do good and comic relief.

Tarija P Henson as Josie Carter willing to risk it all for those she loves and the moral compass.


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Dawgs- as a fan, I'm devastated at Joss' demise.

Jocelyn Carter was one of My Faves.

A strong, Black Woman in a pivotal character role is just not seen very often in modern TV. I loved watching Jocelyn navigate her place between the NYPD and Mr. Fich's role for her. "Sistaz... kickin' ass and takin' names".... what's not to love there? The writers gave her character's roll a prominent place in Modern TV.... and for that I'll always thank them. I'm still working past that place that allows me to accept what they've done to the storyline.

Give me time- I might get there. In some ways, it's similar to Jim Brown's final scene in "The Dirty Dozen" or Scatman Cruthers' role in "The Shining".

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In some ways, I was more prepared to see either Mr. Reese or Det. Fusco exit this drama. Taraji Henson's character... not so much.

I love how they wrote Fusco's storyline.... and how Ms. Shaw played a major role in his salvation. I also love how they've given him a second life.... I especially want to see him be part of Simmons' demise- in gory detail. Fusco- taking out Simmons.... that would be 'poetic justice,' in my book.


This show has gripped me from Day One.... and I love how all the side-stories are playing out. No doubt, "Root" will play a bigger role in how the ongoing story plays out.

Were you shocked at the 'Carter' episodes?

Are you still on-board for the story they're still telling?

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For my money, I'm in for the entire ride- so far. If they ever 'jump the shark,' I'll be the first to mention it- and BAIL from this thread. BUT- so far, they're telling a story that I'm down for. Only time will tell whether they keep me for the Full ride-


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I was shocked she died.. then again I wasn't. The whole lead in set it for Fusco to be the one who died so you almost knew that wasn't going to be the case..

I think the sub-story to that twist was that Reese basically admitted he had romantic feelings for her... and she died. The inference being that everything Reese becomes emotionally attached to, he loses. He's just destined to be alone.

I always like Carter's character. She had a very strong moral compass but she was willing to flirt on the fringe of the law to do the right thing, even when the law technically didn't allow her to do it...

With the HR plot pretty much resolved, I assume the new focus is going to be about Root, which I still don't fully understand... well, that and catching whats-his-name that shot Carter and tortured Fusco..

Fusco is an interesting character, hard to explain, you want to root for the guy to get his crap together but he is sort of annoying and likable all at the same time.

Here's some interesting back story to what the writers and producers were thinking... interesting fact at the end, the kiss between Reese and Carter was not scripted, they just did it.

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Thanks for the link.

I'm glad they've decided to keep an edge to the writing... the "everyone's expendable" angle keeps the viewer on the edge of his seat.

I really thought Lionel was gonna buy it. When he saved himself, I then thought it would be Reese. I really didn't see Joss going down at all.

Now my question is: what will become of her son? Will we see more of Dad?


"too many notes, not enough music-"

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I am a fan of the show but what is it with all of the bad guys that get shot in the legs ? I get not wanting to kill them but it seems funny that after taking a round in the leg that they all seem to pass out and not writhe in agony . My wife tells me to shut up and enjoy the show.

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I agree with your wife.


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BUMP!!!


It's comin' baaaaack, folks-



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Okay, please don't take this too harshly but I ABSOLUTELY HATE YOU FOR POSTING THAT!

I have loved this show forever!

Has there been any indication of a date for this seasons premiere?


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9/23, from what I heard.....


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Can't wain to discuss it with you!


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I Was a 'Person Of Interest.'

I caught the very first episode, and rode this beast until the very end. Trust me- it was 'entertainment time' well-spent.

For those of you who were die-hards, I bump this thread to discuss to discuss the show here...


ATTENTION!!!
POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERTS IN THIS THREAD



Let's talk, Dawgs.


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I watched it every season then this season got out of it. I caught the last episode, now I need to go back to On Demand and watch the rest of the season.. loved this show.


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Left alot out there.

Harold is an unknown. Shaw could take over. That group of vigilante/former numbers could take up the cause. Or they could just leave it all up to the viewers imagination.


It was a fun show either way!

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It really was.


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I loved this show from the start. Really won me over in the first episode when Mr. Reese kicked the crap out of everyone on the subway.

I really thought this show could've gone a few more years myself. Was a really imaginative way to find out who your victim or perpetrator was.

They left so much out there because they were only given 13 episodes in which to bring everything to a close.

Really a shame.


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I really hate it when networks make decisions like that. It really forces the writers to take shortcuts with their product... ironic, since the writing is what made the show so good from the start. I thought the latest 'X-Files' jaunt was given shoddy treatment in a similar way.

So.... here's why such a good show with a number of good years left was cancelled:

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Moonves also highlighted the increased importance of owning shows as "the international market is exploding" and domestic SVOD services have spent on license deals. All that means that companies can make “pretty tremendous” amounts of money if they own a show, he said. "The value of content is so much greater than it was before. Having ownership is a huge, huge difference, and it does effect everything we do. A show that's 100 percent owned will generally get a better time period."

He mentioned that this also affected fall TV schedule choices, as the CBS-owned Elementary was renewed, but Warner's Person of Interest was canceled.

Elementary made an about profit of $80 million last year, Moonves said, while the company broke even on Person, "because Warner Bros got all that additional revenue."


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-ceo-says-netflix-remains-895681


So- it wasn't ratings. It wasn't the writing. It wasn't that the show had 'jumped the shark.'

It was money, once again. Pure and simple.

Them's the breaks, I guess.


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I really hate it when networks make decisions like that. It really forces the writers to take shortcuts with their product... ironic, since the writing is what made the show so good from the start. I thought the latest 'X-Files' jaunt was given shoddy treatment in a similar way.

So.... here's why such a good show with a number of good years left was cancelled:

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Moonves also highlighted the increased importance of owning shows as "the international market is exploding" and domestic SVOD services have spent on license deals. All that means that companies can make “pretty tremendous” amounts of money if they own a show, he said. "The value of content is so much greater than it was before. Having ownership is a huge, huge difference, and it does effect everything we do. A show that's 100 percent owned will generally get a better time period."

He mentioned that this also affected fall TV schedule choices, as the CBS-owned Elementary was renewed, but Warner's Person of Interest was canceled.

Elementary made an about profit of $80 million last year, Moonves said, while the company broke even on Person, "because Warner Bros got all that additional revenue."


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-ceo-says-netflix-remains-895681


So- it wasn't ratings. It wasn't the writing. It wasn't that the show had 'jumped the shark.'

It was money, once again. Pure and simple.

Them's the breaks, I guess.


Well, that's why we all do what we do when it comes down to it. Helps when buying food if you have it. wink

Don't know why CBS couldn't have 'purchased' the show and just kept going.

[insert suspension worthy comment here in expression of disappointment]


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Don't know why CBS couldn't have 'purchased' the show and just kept going.


I think I do- money. To buy it sends the money in the wrong direction... and CBS, by their own leader's admission proved that they weren't interested in the project enough to keep it going when it was a break-even proposition for them. They dumped it, rather than spend to own it.

Profit motive killed Person Of Interest.
Not fan disinterest, not ratings numbers, not lack of artistic/entertainment value... profit margin, pure and simple.

And it happens all the time.

2 years ago, a friend of mine nabbed the starring role in a new legal drama on fledgling network WEtv. It was called 'The Divide.' * It was offered as a 'Summertime series' for an initial run of 8 episodes. I tuned in to watch My Boy, and was prepared to walk away if the show sucked. It didn't. In fact, it was the exact opposite. Incredibly well-written, with fleshed-out backstories for each principal. Great cast of super-talented 'unknowns.' A story arc (and side stories) that dealt with race, class, city politics, power, and the intricacies of the legal system.

Show was absolutely killin' it. Every episode was powerful, on a number of levels. The show was very real in presenting a high-stakes legal story that personally impacted every single character- from a lowly prison inmate to the very top of Philadelphia's 'power elite.' I was so blown away, I wrote about it here at DT when it first dropped. I begged everyone to watch it- not only because the show was just compelling entertainement, but because it also took an unflinching look at many of the sociopolitical issues that we often fight about in the 'Everything Else' threads. It really was that good.

It was WEtv's first foray into network studio work... and could have served as the flagship from which they ran their studio- and they dropped it, because it wasn't a smash viral hit. (How can you expect your 'non-network' to compete with the Big Boys on your first outing? On their home turf?) Apparently, they replaced it with a show about demons and the supernatural for their second attempt at drawing an audience. I know nothing about that show. I guess I wasn't part of the 'target audience' they were trying to reach...

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So yes... money is great when you are at the checkout aisle at The Megamart, but when profit is The Absolute Bottom Line when making decisions, you will often see cancellations of quality shows like 'POI' or 'The Divide,' while shows like 'Keeping up with the Kardashins' proliferate. It costs money to produce the next 'Sopranos.' It costs almost nothing to follow some C-list semicelebrity around Rodeo Drive with a camcorder.


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So... here we have a case of two TV different series. Both are quality products. Both are hitting all the points necessary to qualify as quality entertainment.

One show is axed because the money-managing execs determined that their fledgling project didn't make enough of a splash in the 'big kids' pool'.... after a measly 8 episodes.

The other show was axed because it didn't turn enough profit for a big kid who's been splashing around in the deep end since the pool was built.

A tale of two extremes.
A tale of two cancellations.
From two different players... at opposite ends of the food chain.

...and both groups of managing execs reached the same decision for both shows.

The ONLY unifying factor in these stories: money... and how it influences decisions.

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My choice of professional gig requires that I work for a non-profit entity. The rules governing how we work are different. Profit isn't a prime motivator for what we do. We do, however still have a budget- and a goal: to provide the highest quality Musical Art to a metropolitan district... at break-even rates. We present entire series of concerts as 'revenue generators,' so that we can fund the costs of presenting the concerts that maintain our reputation as the region's preeminent 'audible museum'. We gladly share the stage with Crystal Gayle and Mary Wilson (the 'Supreme' who was more talented than Diana Ross) in a Pops concert, so that we can present Beethoven 9 or Mendelssohn's 'Reformation Symphony.'

Studios, TV networks (... even record companies) used to operate that way. They'd take a loss on projects they thought were worthy of extra time/attention, while they let their signed, proven workhorses pull the weight. In fact, it was part of the business model, back when R&D actually had a budget.

They called such projects: "Loss Leaders."

Nowadays, we seem to have 'gutless wonders' running the show. Les Moonves made the same mistake that the execs at Wetv did when each pulled the plug on two GREAT shows.

Money/commerce is great for some things... but 'profit margin' is a poor benchmark to use for evaluating Art and Value. Antonio Stradivari sold his violins at just above cost, back in the early 1700's... and now, 330 years later, one of his violins sold for 2.3 million dollars.

And yet- in the hands of a total violin-playing hack, that piece of exquisite craftsmanship will produce sounds that resemble a bitch cat in heat.

Money/commerce may run most of the world, but it's never been the 'end all/be all' answer to to the question: "What is valuable to us?" This time,'commerce concerns' trumped artistic ones- and the public felt the impact of those choices. We lost Person Of Interest, and we lost "The Divide" -for exactly the same reason: profit margin.

IMHO, both CBS and WEtv made BIG mistakes.
Money made them do it.

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Sorry for the thread hijack. This was supposed to be a thread about the TV show itself... not a personal diatribe about the evils/benefits of a free market society- but it seems that politics somehow factor into almost everything we talk about, these days.... I guess I'm no exception, eh?


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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divide_(TV_series)
* http://www.wetv.com/shows/the-divide


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I've never watched the show, but given the reason for it's demise, I'm really glad that we've seen the rise of programming from alternative areas such as Amazon and Netflix. It's been fun to see the evolution from Network TV to cable, to premium cable and now to internet based companies. I think going these alternative routes has really opened up the opportunity for a lot more depth to the stories.


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Netflix picked up one of my favorite shows of all time, Longmire. I'd highly recommend going back and picking that one up from the start. Good stuff!

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