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The Ravens, Giants, 49ers, and Patriots are still alive in the playoffs...Big offenses like Detroit, NO, GB, SD, and Cleveland are no longer in the playoffs.
So...what units are really important when it comes to postseason success? What team skill is the most important when it comes to winning?
The Giants, 49ers, and Ravens all have great pass rushers. The Patriots sacked Tebow 5 times...
Manning, Brady, Flacco and Alex Smith...hardly a world beating group of QBs...Yes Brady is the best of the modern era, and Manning has moved into the elite conversation, especially if he gets another ring...But Flacco and Alex Smith have been 2 of the most criticized QBs not named Sanchez or Tebow.
What unit is the most important?
I get the feeling that Pass Rushers and DL (which includes a 3-4 OLB) to be a threat to win at all times. Being able to contain the run, which includes good LBs and being able to put consistent pressure on the QB is the most important thing towards being successful.
In addition. Having a good OL is also important. GB has had a pathwork OL for the latter part of the season, the Pats have a fantastic OL, and the 49ers have a great OL as theyve invested a lot of picks in it, and have been run blocking well for years. The Giants have done a great job protecting Eli all year and the Ravens have one of the best OLs in the game.
Whats the most important way to win?
I vote DL and OL
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Let's no go crazy. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, and Tom Brady all played great. Also, the Patriots had one good game against a below average QB after being the worst ranked defense in the NFL. Quote:
the Ravens have one of the best OLs in the game.
They do? Flacco was getting hit repeatedly yesterday.
But if I can only choose to have one I would take the great offensive line. You have to be able to play offense in this league and having nice holes for your running back to run through and a clean quarterback is the easiest way to win.
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It's like that old adage goes.... Big offenses win games. Big defenses win championships. That said, I don't think that you can point out a singular unit as being the most important simply because the very nature of football dictates that every unit has a "Rock, Paper, Scissors" type relationship with every other unit. The QB has to be able to get the ball to the skill players, but in watching the games the last two weeks, most big plays came on extraordinary efforts from the skill players (thinking mostly of New Orleans last week), not so much the QB's. But, none of it can happen without the line... and a running game. But a good, quick passing game can help the line, and the line can help the deep drop Go-Routes. And the line helps the run, but the RB can help the line, and of course then you can throw to the RB, etc..... lol  Like any other chain, you are only as strong as your weakest link. The stronger each link is, the easier it is to cover your deficiencies, and at some point the scales tip and you become the side that can dictate things to the opponent. You can attack rather than react.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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So...what units are really important when it comes to postseason success? What team skill is the most important when it comes to winning?
There is 3 REALLY important units...
Offense.
Defense.
Special Teams.
If they all play well, usually you will win...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I'd just like to go a different route and take a step back.
All of these teams were able to draft sign good talent. With the Patriots, they hit a home run with Brady, and then build a solid team around him with a fantastic line to keep his feet of stone from having to run, and then getting good role players (emphasis on good) as his WR corps and RBs. The Giants have Manning, but then seem to have a young WR that they've drafted step up each year. They've also put quite a few high draft picks into that offensive line, and the product on the field reflects that. Remember the flack they took for the Pierre-Paul pick? They're not taking heat for that anymore. They're offensive line is also top notch, with some really strong pulling guards (their RB doesn't open his own holes). The 9ers have an excellent offensive line (several recent 1st-rounders). Alex Smith looks like he's settled down into a Joe Flacco-type QB, which will keep him in the starter's role, and that Aldon Smith is making the 9ers proud they picked him. Then there's the Ravens. Not much needs to be said about their talent evaluation on this board, but I'd like to point out that they were going nuts over FA WRs recently, but they finally nailed down the position when they drafted Torrey Smith. He's looking like the final piece to that offense.
Wow, that's a long post for a simple point. You draft well and manage your talent well, and you win. There's no secret formula (WCO, power running, 3-4 vs 4-3, etc.) beyond that.
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Replying to myself...
Also, look at the Lions. How did they pull themselves out of the toilet? By finally doing something with those 1st rounders. They're finally able to pull together some good talent. As much as I hate the guy, it started the first year of Schwartz's reign. He focused on the D-line, but brought in talent (Vandenbosch, Suh, that other huge guy from this past draft). He added Stafford and Pettigrew. They guy started drafting good talent, and they made huge improvement.
It's all about the talent that you line up on your side of the ball.
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QB
LT
RDE
CB
From there on positional value is debatable. Transcendent players at other positions can have great impact as well. But long term success means getting those four positions in that order right.
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Here's what can be taken away from this weekend's games:
Inexperienced QB's on the road in the playoffs= bad news.
The 9ers knocked the snot out of the Saints.
The Packers crapped thier pants.
It had nothing to do with units,but sometimes position,always team.
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Inexperienced QB's on the road in the playoffs= bad news.
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The 9ers knocked the snot out of the Saints.
The Packers crapped thier pants.
I really hope you're only talking about Yates and aren't lumping rodgers and Brees in that too...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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My mistake for making assumptions.
Inexperienced is without experience,which would exclude Brees
On the road means not playing at home,leaving Rodgers out.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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All my sportsfan life, I've wished for a Browns' defensive line that was dominant - something worthy of a nickname. When you see the mayhem that the Giants' D-Line unleashed on GB yesterday, and how they made Rodgers look pretty ordinary, it becomes clear how much a great D-Line changes the game, fundamentally.
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It wasn't a mistake, just the way it was worded made them seem like one thought process.
If NO holds onto the ball, they beat SF easily.
I don't think GB had a chance even if they catch all of those dropped passes.
everyone wants to talk about the Giants D shutting them down, but Eli was on fire...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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My mistake for making assumptions.
Inexperienced is without experience,which would exclude Brees
On the road means not playing at home,leaving Rodgers out.
So if you eliminate half the games from your analysis, then your conclusion holds?
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Good defense and good QB play.
I wasn't aware that this last weekend changed that. Maybe it made it more obvious to the unobservant, but there is a reason that the Packers won last year, the Saints won when they played great TO style defense, and the Steelers have however many super bowls they have.
you had a good run Hank.
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Yes,I believe that to be true.
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The Ravens, Giants, 49ers, and Patriots are still alive in the playoffs...Big offenses like Detroit, NO, GB, SD, and Cleveland are no longer in the playoffs.
Surprised nobody commented on this.. 
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For a while I have wondered about the NFL wanting to be more of a passing / QB league.. I hear this often.
What I seem to believe...that may be the case...
But ! I also believe the run game also makes that happen....Watching the last few play-off games...I noticed how important the run game was to the QB's and the Offenses...
A team that has a balanced run / pass O seems to be able to handle the Teams with better D's
Teams that have the better D's as in all around run / pass ... tend to put a hammer on a team that is weak in one aspect of the Offense...
imo...having a team with both units in balance are the better teams...
Which most of us have been saying all along...
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The Ravens, Giants, 49ers, and Patriots are still alive in the playoffs...Big offenses like Detroit, NO, GB, SD, and Cleveland are no longer in the playoffs.
So...what units are really important when it comes to postseason success? What team skill is the most important when it comes to winning?
The Giants, 49ers, and Ravens all have great pass rushers. The Patriots sacked Tebow 5 times...
Manning, Brady, Flacco and Alex Smith...hardly a world beating group of QBs...Yes Brady is the best of the modern era, and Manning has moved into the elite conversation, especially if he gets another ring...But Flacco and Alex Smith have been 2 of the most criticized QBs not named Sanchez or Tebow.
What unit is the most important?
I get the feeling that Pass Rushers and DL (which includes a 3-4 OLB) to be a threat to win at all times. Being able to contain the run, which includes good LBs and being able to put consistent pressure on the QB is the most important thing towards being successful.
In addition. Having a good OL is also important. GB has had a pathwork OL for the latter part of the season, the Pats have a fantastic OL, and the 49ers have a great OL as theyve invested a lot of picks in it, and have been run blocking well for years. The Giants have done a great job protecting Eli all year and the Ravens have one of the best OLs in the game.
Whats the most important way to win?
I vote DL and OL
COACHING.
Both harbaughs have their teams play physical, never ever quit.
The giants even as their season seemed to unravel the coach stayed firm and preached fundamentals and a belief in teamwork and they beat a far more talented packer team who was better in so many ways but just came out flat and unraveled.
Belichik, who learned to coach during his stint here and even makes the mediocre play better.
we have the WORST coach in the NFL. I don't car what talent we feed him he is never going to take this team to any dance. we will sit on the sidelines till he is fired several years and a team president down the road.
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