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OK, something I've never really noticed before until now. Baylor has two #10's RG3 on the O and somebody else on D. Is this common at all in college? I don't know if I've just never paid that close of attention or what.
It's fairly common.
Quite common actually..
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Baylor is back up.. wow.. can't believe they came back and its not even the 4th quarter yet..
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Announcer said it best when he said, "and Baylor broke Washington's serve." Do not be fooled by this smoke and mirrors act that RG3 is putting on today. Just because he dumps off/throws a slant 10-15 yards and it goes for 60 does not mean he is a good QB.
Every snap from the center has been a hand-off up the middle for a 1-yard TD run.
Once again, I remind you, they are playing the University of Washington...
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Guess it's just that I've never really watched a game to key in on just one player before so I had to look it up when I saw the #10 in on D.
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yeah i tuned it to get a look at rg3, and the more i watch, the more i don't want him anywhere near us..i pray indy is as dumb as lou holtz and picks him #1..i didn't see a single pass in the pocket and every snap was shotgun, and he gets a ton of YAC, no thanks...makes me even more excited to watch luck/blackmon game
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If anything that this game has shown me....is that I am more impressed with K Wright than Floyd with just his ability to catch everything that has been thrown to him as well as his all out natural speed...He is Mike Wallace at 5'10 instead of 6'0....Exactly what we need...let Little be the over the middle/big target we need and Norwood/(hopefully Broyles) be our slot guy...with Mo Mass as our #4...
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Yeah let's just ignore RG3s accuracy and arm strength
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Someone brought up Washington's defense ..... and yes they are bad. The worst game this season was when they gave up 65 to Stanford.
Baylor might surpass that tonight. They have 60 so far with 8 minutes left.
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Someone brought up Washington's defense ..... and yes they are bad. The worst game this season was when they gave up 65 to Stanford.
Baylor might surpass that tonight. They have 60 so far with 8 minutes left.
Does that mean RG3 is better than Luck? 
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Yeah let's just ignore RG3s accuracy and arm strength
It's not hard to be accurate when you are throwing 8-15 yard routes when Washington is playing soft coverage, THE ENTIRE GAME....Just saying...
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Someone brought up Washington's defense ..... and yes they are bad. The worst game this season was when they gave up 65 to Stanford.
Baylor might surpass that tonight. They have 60 so far with 8 minutes left.
Does that mean RG3 is better than Luck?
I think it just means that Washington is really bad. lol
Their offense is impressive though ..... or Baylor's defense is really bad too.
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Someone brought up Washington's defense ..... and yes they are bad. The worst game this season was when they gave up 65 to Stanford.
Baylor might surpass that tonight. They have 60 so far with 8 minutes left.
Does that mean RG3 is better than Luck?
LOL!!! Some people on this board (and Lou Holtz) will argue that point which is the sad thing...
It's like when you beat Team A by 10 and Team A beats Team B by 5...that means you should beat Team B by 15...only if it worked that way!!
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98% chance it's a run...and RG3 still takes the snap from the shotgun and it is a read option...:(
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All the RG3 hate is funny. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on the kid, but if this is your first time seeing him then you are not seeing what he can do. His deep ball is as accurate as anybody else's in college football and he plays smart.
I watched the Oklahoma game earlier this year and knew right away who I wanted taking snaps in Cleveland. I would gladly take Blackmon, Richardson, or trade back as well, but if we are drafting a QB I am going RG3 because he is cheaper than Luck and has the big play ability of Cam Newton. RG3 is still raw in some aspects of the QB position so his upside is scary.
After watching a lot of his interviews and highlights, I see a combination of Tebow and Newton. Leadership qualities match Tebow and the big play ability of Newton. He is a very humble and intelligent human being who seems to play the game out of love and not for stardom or future financial gains.
Luck would be nice, but if Indy decides to trade the pick it's going to take a king's ransom. three 1's and two 2's likely. I will take my chances with RG3 and use those four picks wisely to create the best team I can.
As I said before too, I would take Blackmon, Richardson (if Hillis leaves), or RG3. If someone wants to offer us a stupid offer for RG3 (Skins and Phins) then I would seriously consider it, but only if it includes this year's 1 and 2 and next year's 1.
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Very entertaining game tonight overall! Washington's and Baylor's defenses may be the worst I've ever seen in my life though. So JE, if you're not too high on RGIII who do you want with our first selection? 
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I am not a Tebow fan. I don't think anybodies leadership qualities match Tebow.
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Baylor and Washington combine for 123 points. The St. Louis Rams have 166 points in 15 games.
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And you know what, in regards to Griffin? A month ago? Six weeks ago, maybe 2 months ago, Sports Illustrated had an article on him. I read it and thought "This guy gets it."
I have not a thing in the world against him.
But I wouldn't sell the farm, or even half of it, to get him. One simple reason: too many holes to fill on the Browns. If he's there when we draft, I'm fine with taking him. (like that matters) And IF he's even in the draft.
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I am not a Tebow fan. I don't think anybodies leadership qualities match Tebow.
I am not talking about the salary scale, I am talking about what we would have to give up to get Luck. It's not going to take both our firsts and a 3rd. We are going to have to overpay for him. Indy is going to have to get a major haul to justify not drafting Luck. If it's St. Louis, then they aren't going to require less just because they have Bradford... Yes Luck is better, right now, than Griffin. However is he worth giving up 4-5 1st and 2nd round picks?
If drafting a QB, give me Griffin with 4/5. Floyd with the Atlanta pick (hope he falls). Curry (hope he doesn't explode at the combine...love him) with the 2nd and Adcock with the 3rd.
If Hillis goes, I wouldn't mind taking a flier on this Chris Polk kid at some point in the draft.
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And you know what, in regards to Griffin? A month ago? Six weeks ago, maybe 2 months ago, Sports Illustrated had an article on him. I read it and thought "This guy gets it."
I have not a thing in the world against him.
But I wouldn't sell the farm, or even half of it, to get him. One simple reason: too many holes to fill on the Browns. If he's there when we draft, I'm fine with taking him. (like that matters) And IF he's even in the draft.
Good thing is, with Griffin, we don't have to sell the farm. Griffin will be there unless a team trades in front of us to get him, which very well could happen. He may return to Baylor, seems like he loves it there, but he graduated early and while a year of law school would be nice to get under the belt.... can't help but think he goes to the draft to give himself financial security knowing that law school will always be there and he has completed the goal of graduating.
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Very entertaining game tonight overall! Washington's and Baylor's defenses may be the worst I've ever seen in my life though. So JE, if you're not too high on RGIII who do you want with our first selection?
I've posted my draft thoughts on this board a few times, but will gladly post again...:)
Depending on what we do in Free Agency...
If we resign Hillis, then we go Blackmon or Claiborne (whomever H&H feel is higher on their draft board). After today's games, I would love for us to go Claiborne and Wright (with the way Floyd played today).
If we don't sign Hillis, and H&H don't believe in the RB's that they currently have on staff, I say we trade down to a point where we know where we could draft Richardson and then pick up Wright with our 1B pick as well as maybe another 2nd and 3rd for this year??? However, if H&H believe in the RB's that we have (without Hillis), we could then keep the pick, grab Blackmon/Claiborne with 1A and then depending what we do with 1A, 1B could be Wright or DE Mercilus (if we take Blackmon)...
On another forum, someone suggested that we trade our 1A pick for both of Cincy's first round picks this year (according to the nfl draft point system, we might be able to do something like that). If that is the case, we could go many different options (with 3 first round picks prolly 18 - 24)...We will know a lot after this coming Sunday...and then a helluva lot more come February once Free Agency gets going.
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We need a RG3 period.
I'm a little worried about his size but in reality I'll be thrilled if we take him.
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This is getting ridiculous. You realize there are other QB's that have won football games other than Robert Griffin, right?
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LOL why is it ridiculous? Ridiculous would be another year of Colt McCoy. But please enlighten me on the other qb's we have a shot at getting this year since there is plenty of them. 
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I think that we differ in opinion on this one as I see Andrew Luck as the only sure thing QB prospect in this draft. Griffin, to me, isn't worth the our pick. I would much rather have Colt McCoy another year than draft Griffin. If Luck were to be available I would trade for him.
My question is this for all the RGIII backers; do you think we will draft him? Or do you think we should draft him? Or both. I don't think we will draft him as Holmgren/Shurmur are both West Coast offense guy to the core. Will they want a guy who is not the prototypical dropback passer? I don't know.
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I think RG3 is perfect for the WCO....has the legs to get out of a bad situation, and the arm to get it down the field. Not to mention he is a pretty accurate passer. I think he is going to be the real deal....
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I think we should draft him, at this stage I'm tired of trading down.
The nfl's rules are slanted toward the offense now. Lets start taking some chances with these high picks at getting some real play makers in here.
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I think RG3 is perfect for the WCO....has the legs to get out of a bad situation, and the arm to get it down the field. Not to mention he is a pretty accurate passer. I think he is going to be the real deal....
Same things were said about Troy Smith and ARE said about Seneca Wallace. I'd love RG3...in the 4th round. His hype machine is bigger than Luck's right now. Tonight's game just further solidified my opinions on him.
If we're going to strap ourselves to a crappy QB next year we might as well roll with Charlie Frye for another year.
In all honesty, out of this draft I want Luck and no one else. If we can't get him, then I want Seneca Wallace to be our starter next year. I think if we get a #1 WR and a RT....and then open up a true QB competition next year then Seneca easily beats out Colt.
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I think RG3 is perfect for the WCO....has the legs to get out of a bad situation, and the arm to get it down the field. Not to mention he is a pretty accurate passer. I think he is going to be the real deal....
I think that RG3 is going to be a special player in the NFL. I think that he is going to be a star.
There is some risk to him ....... but every so often you have to take a risk in order to try and grab a great player. Newton was a very risky #1 overall QB. No one expected him to do what he's done this year. I certainly did not. I think that RG3 can be that same kind of QB, and have a similar impact on a team that has been downtrodden for a long time. (like us)
We have 1 first round picks this year, plus a 2nd that is almost a 1st. If we're going to take a risk, this is the year to do it. Swinging for the fences can cause a strikeout ....... but it can also produce some of the most majestic home runs ever seen by man. I want a home run for once ...... instead of taking safe players, who have little overall impact on the team. It's time to put an end to the Colt McCoy experiment, and bring in a guy who can be a superstar, not a guy who might, some day, approach competence.
I know that the front office knows how important the QB position is, and I would be stunned beyond words if they look at this year and say that McCoy just needs more time. I think that we go for a QB somewhere ..... and RG3 is my choice.
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I agree. He has what it takes and it wouldn't bother me if we selected him.
People are eager to downgrade him because he doesn't/didn't play under center and seem to ignore the skill set the guy possesses, and want to brush if off by comparing him to players who weren't nearly as good.
You take RGIII off that Baylor team and they don't win 4 games.
That right there tells you how good he is.
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Baylor has a solid running attack.
Their defense would definitely not win them any games. They are awful.
Just for comparison's sake, I went back and looked at what Luck did against Washington ..... and he went 16/21 for 169 yards with 2 TD. He also ran for 23 yards.
They ran for 447 yards on the day. Baylor ran for 479.
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I agree. He has what it takes and it wouldn't bother me if we selected him.
People are eager to downgrade him because he doesn't/didn't play under center and seem to ignore the skill set the guy possesses, and want to brush if off by comparing him to players who weren't nearly as good.
You take RGIII off that Baylor team and they don't win 4 games.
That right there tells you how good he is.
U CANNOT overlook this spread offense thing Peen...It's a MAJOR transition when coming into the NFL having little if any experience at one of the most BASIC things for a QB...Taking a snap from center...
We can do whatever we want but I can tell u this from watching just the 1st quarter last night...I will watch all of it here in 10 minutes...I DO NOT LIKE this kids mechanics and footwork...Because of that alone he is what u call a 50-50 chance at success...
When u have to change things like that u r HOPING it can be done successfully...U just don't know...And that's HIGH RISK...
If we do not land Luck or Bradford I would be majorly thinking about selling this kid to Snyder & Washington at 7...Take their 7 pick...Their 2nd rounder AND their 2013 1st Rounder...How bad u want em' Snyder???
And take Richardson or Floyd at 7...
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A Closer Look at Heisman Winning Quarterback Robert Griffin III
DHill80 on Dec 28, 2011 8:01 AM PST in Seahawks Scouting
Whenever someone mentions Robert Griffin III, the first thing I think of is looking over to my left and seeing him fly by me with ease when Baylor Football was running sprints at 6 a.m. workouts during the summer of 2010. Granted, I was a 260 lb. tight end, and he was the track star quarterback, but I was still amazed at his freakish fitness level. I was a teammate of RG3 for two seasons at Baylor University. I'm not going to pretend like he's my best friend, but I know him well and we still keep in touch.
My first impression of Robert was that he was a diva. As I spent more time with him, and got to know him better, I realized that my first impression could not have been further from the truth. He is a low-key guy and he is truthful to his personality at all times, no matter who is around him. He likes to wear quirky things - the Superman socks he wore to the Heisman Trophy presentation, pajama pants to morning workouts, or big white shades on top of his forehead. Robert does not shy away from his personality and that was something that I admired as a teammate.
During the 2010 season, I told some of my teammates and friends that one day RG3 would be a first round draft choice as a quarterback. A lot of people thought that was crazy at the time, but after his 2011 Heisman winning campaign, it seems like it is almost set in stone that this will be true (of course, if he declares for the 2012 NFL Draft). As for that question, in my opinion, Robert Griffin III will stay at Baylor University for one more year. He embraces being the face of the university, he is engaged, and he is trying to get a waiver from the NCAA so that he can play football and attend law school classes there.
A few thoughts on the kind of teammate he is - even though I was a walk-on third string tight end, RG3 made sure that I felt like I was a part of the team by playing catch with me and warming up with me before every single practice. He organized voluntary 7-on-7 workouts during the summer. He put together team events like bowling and paintballing on the weekends. He is the unquestioned leader of Baylor football and in my opinion is a superb candidate to be the face of the franchise for an NFL team.
Now, you come to this site to read about the Seahawks and here I am talking about Robert Griffin - why? Griffin has been linked to Seattle in some mocks and just in the general discussion, and I can't lie, it has been a personal dream of mine to one day see him quarterbacking my beloved Seahawks. Naturally, I can be accused of being biased because I personally know RG3, but the fact is, I think that he would be a phenomenal fit with the Seahawks, for a number of reasons. I'll try and lay a few of them out.
It's no secret that Pete Carroll has looked at the quarterback position as kind of a glorified point guard and in a sense, RG3 has been the definition of a point guard for Baylor football. First off, he has a lightning quick release and has a willingness to stand in the pocket and make a clutch throw even if it means he will get blasted by an oncoming defensive player.
As the 'point guard of the offense,' RG3 also takes care of the ball - he simply does not throw interceptions. During his freshman year, he threw only 3 interceptions despite having 267 pass attempts. In 2011, he has only thrown 6 interceptions in 369 pass attempts.
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As far as toughness goes, this is where I see RG3 and Tarvaris Jackson as being similar- both players will take the big hit in order to help the team. Griffin trumps T-Jack with his ability to get rid of the ball quickly, he doesn't take sacks and he has an uncanny ability to sense the pressure in the pocket and extend the play.
Griffin's leadership ability is innate - and I saw in a recent article that Danny put together a quote from John Schneider on the importance of locker room chemistry and what he learned from Packers' GM Ted Thompson on putting together a roster. Schneider said - "You have to have a very good pulse for your team, and constantly be evaluating your team and know who's going to fit and who's not going to fit. I would say one of Ted's biggest strengths and one of the biggest things I've learned from him - because he's a former player - is just the importance of the locker room and team chemistry."
Griffin, as I said above, is an excellent teammate and if you watched any of the Heisman ceremonies you'd have undoubtedly noticed his apparent maturity, level of respect, and confidence shining through.
As for his general ability to play at the next level, one myth that I would like to dispel about RG3 is the idea that he is too short to play in the NFL. I've heard multiple draft analysts question his height and I can concretely say that he is, at minimum, a guaranteed 6'2" - if not closer to 6'3".
Another slight criticism that has been leveled at Griffin is that he will lock onto receivers, especially his main deep threat, Kendall Wright (who is projected to be a late first round or second round NFL draft pick). Wright has nearly double the receptions (103) as Baylor's second leading receiver, Terrance Williams (53). In an effort to push the ball downfield, sometimes he will miss open receivers underneath. However, after the season RG3 just posted, this seems like an easily fixable concern.
I think RG3 will take the NFL by storm (when he finally decides to go pro). My one doubt concerning RG3 would be how well will he pick up a pro system. It's no secret that Baylor runs a spread offense. Griffin receives the play-call from the sidelines and then executes the play. Generally, the only time RG3 will audible is if he sees an opening in the defense that calls for a quick run play with bruising power back Terrance Ganaway.
Head Coach Art Briles and RG3 spend lots of time in meeting rooms together figuring out what plays Griffin likes against the next opponent. On game day, Griffin has immense influence on the play calls. If he tells the coaching staff he likes a certain play, then the Baylor offense will certainly run that play for him. Griffin's ability to improvise led Baylor to a win over Oklahoma this year when he moved around in the pocket and threw across his body for a 34 yard touchdown to Terrance Williams with 8 seconds left in the game.
At the end of the day, I think RG3 will naturally pick up the pro system once he gets to the NFL. Despite the spread offense that Baylor runs, RG3 understands how to move the chains and he is remarkably intelligent. With NFL coaching and film study he will learn the nuances of a pro system and he will flourish because of his quick release, arm strength, and his mind for the game.
Ultimately, RG3's football savvy, freakish athleticism, and quick-strike throwing ability are why I think he'll succeed in the NFL. He is the type of dynamic football player that can carry a team and he is the type of person that can inspire and lead a locker room. And, if you were wondering, (because you are likely a Seahawks fan if you're reading this today), if RG3 were to one day become a Seahawk, I have no doubt that Seattle would be contending for a Super Bowl with him at the helm.
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Wow, that's quite an endorsement. 
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