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Why can't a woman just be given the "morning after pill" if she is raped?
I would think that would be a sensible precaution that would eliminate the need for a later abortion.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I disagree.
If life is sacred, life is sacred.
No exceptions.
So then if life is not sacred, it is not sacred?
If I'm pro choice then I am also for murder.
No exceptions.
Again, you're making stretches to prove your point.
If you were to say 'If I'm pro-choice, then I am also not bothered by innocent casualties of war', then that would be a more coherent argument that would actually make a point.
I'll ask again --
16 year old girl gets pregnant. Decides to abort immediately.
What's the charge? Murder One? Murder two? Manslaughter?
What's the punishment?
I imagine it would be criminally codified as its own crime in and of itself.
I think we're also forgetting the other side of the punishment - any medical professional involved would also be criminally sentenced I imagine.
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I also feel that if you're against abortion, you should be against war of any sort. I can't tell you how many folks on here will say that abortion is wrong and immoral and should be illegal, but in the next breath will excuse away innocent casualties as just 'an unfortunate part of war'.
I do believe you run risk with a blanket statement like that. Shouldn't one be entitled to self-defense? I understand the point at which it is "self-defense" has been debated over ad nauseum in our international fora for what appears to be about 15 years now.
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I also feel that if you're against abortion, you should be against war of any sort. I can't tell you how many folks on here will say that abortion is wrong and immoral and should be illegal, but in the next breath will excuse away innocent casualties as just 'an unfortunate part of war'.
I do believe you run risk with a blanket statement like that. Shouldn't one be entitled to self-defense? I understand the point at which it is "self-defense" has been debated over ad nauseum in our international fora for what appears to be about 15 years now.
Certainly there's a valid argument to be had there ... but our military hasn't engaged in war based on self-defense since WWII.
It just boggles my mind how someone can shrug off hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties as 'collateral damage', and then turn around and cry out that life is sacred.
Like I said, I can understand a 'pro-life' stance. I really get it. But what I don't get is a 'sometimes-pro-life' stance, which many seem to hold.
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I'm not attempting to deface your argument or even discuss the U.S. military. I was just bringing up the self-defense issue for further consideration.
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I voted as the law stands.
However, If I happened to get a girl pregnant, no way would I support her getting an abortion. I would do whatever in my power to raise that child, with or without her help. If she chose to do so against my wishes, I would have a hard time forgiving her. That's my personal stance.
As far as outside of me personally. If a woman can morally live with the decision to terminate a pregnancy and have that hanging over them the rest of their lives, carry on with the selfish deed. It seems like it would take an awfully low moral standard to do such a thing. With tons of people wishing they could have kids, but cant, it is purely a selfish act. With the caveat here being rape, or health issues that put a woman's life in jeopardy.
Or, as Arch says, be responsible. I think it would be a much smaller issue if people used contraceptive.
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for me, it's a womans choice and I don't believe any government or church has the right to tell her what to do with her own body.
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for me, it's a womans choice and I don't believe any government or church has the right to tell her what to do with her own body.
I think it's a lot more complicated than that. I believe that the life that is developing within her body is the responsibility of both her and the father. If the woman has the right to demand financial, emotional and paternal support for their offspring, shouldn't the father have legal recourse in decisions affecting the well being of their developing child?
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for me, it's a womans choice and I don't believe any government or church has the right to tell her what to do with her own body.
You're right, as long as men get the same choice.
If women can abort responsibility for reasons other than health reasons, and most are, men should be afforded the same rights.
If women can abort the responsibility of being a parent, men should be able to do so as well.
Right??
The body argument is old, tired, and lame.
It's about being responsible for your actions.
So again.....if a female can decide she doesn't want to be a parent and not pay the cost, a male should be afforded the same rights.
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Those same rights in the decision-making aren't the same. Until the man actually is carrying around a light bowling ball in his stomach, it's not HIS body that the government has no business being in, and is why he would be overstepping his bounds.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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The man should have the same rights as the woman.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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Those same rights in the decision-making aren't the same. Until the man actually is carrying around a light bowling ball in his stomach, it's not HIS body that the government has no business being in, and is why he would be overstepping his bounds.
But it's OK for the government to tell him he has to support that bowling ball for 18 years, without any input in the decision making process? 
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Those same rights in the decision-making aren't the same. Until the man actually is carrying around a light bowling ball in his stomach, it's not HIS body that the government has no business being in, and is why he would be overstepping his bounds.
He is referring to the decision making AFTER the baby is born. If a woman gets to choose to keep or not to keep the baby and there is nothing the man can say or do to influence that decision.. then the man should be allowed to have a financial abortion and choose whether he gets to keep or not keep his money relative to paying for the child.
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hey, since life begins at conception, can I claim a tax write-off for my unborn son?
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hey, since life begins at conception, can I claim a tax write-off for my unborn son?
once we get the government to align with that thinking, yeah.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=18...BAJ&pg=1111,232813 That was successfully argued by a 20 year old who got caught underage drinking. Since life began at conception he was now technically 21  There are some people also arguing that you can't imprison fetus' for 9 months if life begins at conception, can't incarcerate pregnant women. If you were insane and liked to create lawsuits I think you could probably get an unborn child written off in some states.
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