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Man ... I don't know what to think about all of this. If there's anonymous accusations, that's one thing. However, now there is a woman with a face, name, and voice saying that she had a long term affair with Cain. (and she says she has proof, phone call, messages, letters, etc) With Cain denying all of the accusations against him, if this one does have proof, then I think it brings doubt to his denials across the board. Add to this his problems with foreign policy, I think that he is definitely looking for an exit strategy right now. When his lawyer says that people have no business in a candidate's private sex life ..... well, that all but admits that damn thing. It's a shame, because I thought he had some promise. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/politics/cain-accusation-affair/index.html?hpt=hp_c2tlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- An Atlanta businesswoman has accused GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain of having had an affair with her that lasted nearly 14 years, a claim the candidate flatly denied Monday. "I was aware that he was married, and I was also aware that I was involved in a very inappropriate situation -- relationship," Ginger White told Atlanta television station WAGA. White said that affair ended about eight months ago, as Cain prepared to announce his presidential bid. But she pointed to mobile-phone records she said showed Cain was calling her as late as September, including one as early as 4:26 a.m. WAGA said that when it sent a text message to the number she identified as Cain's, the candidate called back and acknowledged he knew White but had been trying to help her financially. Cain, who lives in suburban Atlanta, upstaged the report by going on CNN a few minutes before the station broadcast its interview with White. He told CNN's "The Situation Room" that her assertion was coming and would be false. "It is someone that I know who is an acquaintance that I thought was a friend," Cain said. But he added, "I did not have an affair." "I acknowledge that I knew the woman," he said. "I acknowledge that I have known her for about that period of time. But the accusation that I had a 13-year affair with her, no." He said his wife's immediate reaction upon hearing of the accusation was, "Here we go again." And he said he had no plans to drop out of the race -- "Not as long as my wife is behind me and as long as my wife believes I should stay in this race." In a written statement issued after the interview aired, he said, "I will not fight false claims as it is not what America needs or wants." "The American public is tired of dirty politics and smear tactics as evident of their tremendous outpouring of support for me, my family and my campaign this past month," he said. "I am running for president of the United States of America, and the reality is that there are individuals out there that favor the status quo of higher taxes, more government and political cronyism and they are afraid of a Cain presidency." White's emergence comes after two other women came forward in early November to accuse Cain of sexually harassing them while he was head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s. Cain has denied all accusations against him, but he has slipped in published polls since the allegations first surfaced. White said she was never harassed or poorly treated by Cain, whom she described as "very much confident, and very much sure of himself, very arrogant -- in a playful, sometimes, way." She said he took her to luxury hotels and flew her to cities where he had speaking engagements. "He made it very intriguing," White said in the interview. "It was fun. It was something that took me away from my sort-of humdrum life at the time, and it was exciting." In a statement to WAGA, Cain attorney Lin Wood said reporters had no business asking about the allegation. "This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace -- this is not an accusation of an assault -- which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate," he said. "Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults -- a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. "No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life," Wood said. "The public's right to know and the media's right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one's bedroom door." He did not address White's assertion directly, and said Cain "has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media. "Some things are fair game, and some aren't," Wood told CNN in a telephone interview, adding that this was one that was off-limits. "You've got to draw the line somewhere." White told WAGA that she was a reluctant accuser who decided to go public only after her name was circulated among reporters. But she also said she was upset by Cain's responses to the sexual harassment allegations from two women who have been identified publicly. "It bothered me that they were being demonized, sort of, or were being treated as if they were automatically lying and the burden of proof is on them," White said. WAGA said it and other news organizations had received a tip from someone who knew White, alleging she had had an affair with Cain. "I wanted to come out and give my side before it was thrown out there and made to be something, you know, filthy, which some people will look at this and say, that's exactly what it is," White told the station. She said their on-again, off-again relationship allegedly began in Louisville, Kentucky, in the late 1990s, when Cain gave a National Restaurant Association presentation to a group that included White. Afterward, the two shared drinks and Cain invited her back to his hotel room, where he pulled out a calendar and invited her to meet him in Palm Springs, California, she said. WAGA said White's work history includes a 2001 sexual harassment claim against an employer that was settled, a 23-year-old bankruptcy in Kentucky and several evictions over the past six years. A former business partner accused her of stalking her with repeated e-mails and texts in a case that was ultimately dismissed, followed by a libel suit White lost because she failed to respond to it, WAGA said. But White's attorney, Edward Buckley, told CNN his client has no apparent financial motive for making the accusation and "everything to lose." "To tell you candidly, I don't know if she is employed or not, because she was kind of on the ropes because of all this stuff," Buckley said. "The media called her employer before this story came out, and it made it very difficult for her in the workplace." And prominent feminist attorney Gloria Allred, who represents one of the women who accused Cain of harassing them, said White's financial troubles mean "zero, zip, nada." "There are millions of women in this country and millions of men as well having financial problems," she told CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight." "The fact that she's had them in the past does not bear on whether or not she's credible on this issue."
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I don't think the guy really had any legit ambitions for the White House. I think he was looking more towards book sales and a FOX contributor check, and I think in the end, he'll get both.
Also ... you think a guy who was worried about China acquiring nuclear weapons had promise?
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I like the leadership he has shown.
I like the idea of someone taking a business approach to government, because the current approach sure isn't working.
Unfortunately, he was a flawed candidate, and appears to have some major personal issues as well.
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I like the leadership he has shown.
What leadership did he show?
The guy ran a pizza company for two decades and then became a lobbyist.
If Papa John ran for president, would you be impressed by his leadership?
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If Papa John ran for president, would you be impressed by his leadership?
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I know that you don't like anyone or anything ... so I'm not going to get drawn into yet another useless debate with you.
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Only about 5 decades too late on that one.
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I know that you don't like anyone or anything ... so I'm not going to get drawn into yet another useless debate with you.
You said you liked the leadership he showed.
I asked for an example.
I don't think that's an unfair question. Like I said, the guy ran a pizza company for 20 years and became a lobbyist.
He has zero foreign policy knowledge. He didn't know China had nuclear weapons, he thought that the Taliban was in Libya, he wasn't aware of Cuban immigration laws. He announced his ignorance proudly by saying "And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say, ‘You know, I don’t know. Do you know?’ And then I’m going to say, “How’s that going to create one job?”
What promise and leadership did you see that overcame that sort of stuff?
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I think he was already done with his foreign policy blunders.
Whether he had the affair or not, people who were not sold on him before will just more easily dismiss him now. They (whoever they are) have effectively changed his message to from 999 to nein nein nein. I'm thinking this would be a good name for his Fox show that will follow Huckabee on Saturday nights.
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I haven't been paying much attention to this lately.....But I have to wonder....
Why is it ok for Clinton (who also was exposed as having affairs during his first presidential bid)...and heck John F Kennedy to be philanderers....but Cain is the spawn of the devil if ihe did????
Personally I find it to be a character flaw. I found it to be a character flaw with the others as well. But look at the media's (as well as the public's) approach to this candidate compared to those others.....
I find it to be pretty two-faced....
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I don't know whether or not Cain is guilty of anything like this or not, but more powerful candidates have dropped out because of accusations like this..
If this isn't true, then it's dirty politics at it's finest..
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My question is where were all of these "accusers" prior to him running for office? I mean really, It's almost a "coincidence" that all of this is coming out NOW when he was leading the polls.....smh 
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My question is where were all of these "accusers" prior to him running for office?
Apparently, they were getting Hermanized. It didn't appear to have been a problem until they saw the dollar signs and publicity.
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To me the problem is this:
If he lied about the affair, (or didn't tell the whole truth) then did he also lie about the alleged sexual harassment as well?
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You said you liked the leadership he showed.
I asked for an example.
I don't think that's an unfair question. Like I said, the guy ran a pizza company for 20 years and became a lobbyist.
He announced his ignorance proudly by saying "And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say, ‘You know, I don’t know. Do you know?’ And then I’m going to say, “How’s that going to create one job?”
That is a perfect example of good honest leadership if you are still looking for one.
I suppose if he had more polished handlers like Obama he could learn a few key names and words and drop them in interviews like he and the President of Uzbeki-beki-stan are old friends and trick people into believing he knows something about foreign policy and then follow that up with a bunch of big platitudes about how he is going to make the whole world love us and bring about global peace.
Instead he said honestly and quite accurately, "I don't know, and I don't care." PERFECT ANSWER.. then he follows that with essentially, "this country is going to hell on a fast train and me knowing every third world countries leaders name isn't going to fix that."
Looks like leadership to me.
People claim to want honesty over political doubletalk and common sense over political polish and real world experience over a career politician and bold ideas over the status quo... but in the end, they don't. I'm not saying Cain is the perfect candidate or even a good candidate... but any time somebody gets involved and speaks from the heart and admits they don't know everything and makes a few blunders in front of the camera that person is ridiculed and mocked and pushed to the side.. and for what? 4 more years of Obama, the teleprompter in chief. 
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YTown, I agree...I have a huge issue if this is true....I had huge issues with the others as well...My comments are more directed at the bias of how certain people are treated (Cain) as opposed to others who may or may not have been even worse (Clinton, Kennedy, etc)
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Well said, the truth isn't what wins. The sheeple eat what the media feeds them.
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YTown, I agree...I have a huge issue if this is true....I had huge issues with the others as well...My comments are more directed at the bias of how certain people are treated (Cain) as opposed to others who may or may not have been even worse (Clinton, Kennedy, etc)
Well, that's always going to happen with the political bent of the media we have in this country.
To answer an earlier question about leadership, Cain turned around companies. He took failing companies and turned them into successful companies. That takes one hell of a lot of leadership. I have a similar background (just not on that scale) and I know what it takes to change a losing environment within a company into a winning environment. It's no easy task, and it does not get done without leadership, the ability to recognize talent and ability in others, to be able to delegate to adhere to standards, to demand excellence, and so on. These are important qualities a President should have, and ones I saw in Cain.
As it turned out he has other flaws that overwhelm his positives. That does not mean that those positives did not exist at all though.
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j/c Cain is a classic example of why I think a smart candidate would run for POTUS with his/her intended VP. Biden was supposed to be Obama's foreign policy guru. Biden has been a disaster only slightly below the level of Obama. This admin's entire foreign policy/actions have been a disaster. But "they" got Bin Laden.  Cain's total lack of foreign policy matters made him a never-was before the scandal came out. We did the POTUS with ZERO foreign policy knowledge and see where that has gotten us. I'd love to see Newt cozy up to a guy with a "business" background for VP or get Romney to accept a VP spot. Give me Newt's foreign policy experience - and no BS attitude - with a "business" guy and get the country turned around. It'll never happen though because it might actually work...and Newt isn't pretty and loved by the media.
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I think that Newt has done an amazing job of reinventing himself, going from the idiotic "Gin-Grinch who stole Christmas" garbage, with verbose bombast and inflammatory rhetoric, to an older, more mature Newt, with far more political savvy than his younger counterpart, who has a vast knowledge of issues and foreign affairs, and who has promised to follow Obama around the country until he agrees to Lincoln-Douglas style debates f nominated. (and I think that Newt would wipe the floor with Obama in such a debate setup)
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He is here. Wife was truly upset. Hallucinating about how much the world is according to him. Jedi Master: "That is not the bimbo you are looking for. Ummm, nor is that one. Urrrk, not her either, not for 14 years." Hatchet job or not, this is a horrible choice.
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ytown, I'm just going to throw this out there... and it's absolutely NOT me making excuses for poor moral conduct.. But men who achieve great success, generally have an unquenchable desire to conquer and overcome obstacles, to exert their power... that is what makes Michael Jordan who he is in basketball, that is what makes Herman Cain who he is in business... unfortunately that positive character trait doesn't always turn off when it should.. that's why you have Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, and now possibly Herman Cain with all of the sex issues.. and a whole host of other highly successful men.. (and I say men because I'm not sure it applies as much to women)... That's also probably why you never heard these allegations with W or Obama.. because neither has ever been highly successful at anything. 
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Could be. Who knows? As an aside .... I have to wonder what's behind Bill Clinton's praise of Newt the other day. Somehow I don't see him hitting the campaign trail for Newt any time soon. 
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So, I'm feeling kind of flat in my career now ... you saying I should run out and find a mistress? 
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So, I'm feeling kind of flat in my career now ... you saying I should run out and find a mistress?
No ... he's saying that once you become incredibly successful you should find 3 or 4 of them. 
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So, I'm feeling kind of flat in my career now ... you saying I should run out and find a mistress?
I think you have the cause and the effect backwards... 
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I think he was already done with his foreign policy blunders.
Whether he had the affair or not, people who were not sold on him before will just more easily dismiss him now. They (whoever they are) have effectively changed his message to from 999 to nein nein nein. I'm thinking this would be a good name for his Fox show that will follow Huckabee on Saturday nights.
His grave is just going deeper and deeper. He's done and there's not much he can do. Whether or not he did in fact perform any of these allegations, these allegations are hard to battle. People throw out the guilty until proven guilty in these situations. But other things have also been his downfall. The way he has been reacting to these allegations and his other blunders have put him digging his own grave.
Though I will point out one quote from the accuser I find a little eye-browsing.
"It bothered me that they were being demonized, sort of, they were treated as if they were automatically lying, and the burden of proof was on them,” White said. “I felt bad for them.”
A) Cain has been demonized as well. and B) The burden of proof is normally always on the accusers. Just look at our court system. It's the way it works.
But well, these are only allegations and the truth is not in the eyes of the public. Whether or not, he is guilty in these instances or not is just a guess. Though, a lot of people will just assume right or wrong that he is guilty and make their decision based on that.
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I heard on the radio that Cain is "re-evaluating" his campaign.
Fair or not, legitimate or not, his campaign is probably over.
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I heard on the radio that Cain is "re-evaluating" his campaign.
Fair or not, legitimate or not, his campaign is probably over.
It's an uphill battle either way. He's better off bowing out.
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Instead he said honestly and quite accurately, "I don't know, and I don't care." PERFECT ANSWER..
Looks like leadership to me.
Perfect answer?
In what possible scenario does a job applicant proudly announce 'I don't know the requirements of the job, and I don't care!', and you think 'Perfect answer. Looks like leadership to me'? Where is that scenario where you hire that person?
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I wonder where his support migrates to if he drops out? You'd think those attracted to Cain's business backround might switch to Romney, but its Gingrich whose support has increased as Cain's has waned.
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Instead he said honestly and quite accurately, "I don't know, and I don't care." PERFECT ANSWER..
Looks like leadership to me.
Perfect answer?
In what possible scenario does a job applicant proudly announce 'I don't know the requirements of the job, and I don't care!', and you think 'Perfect answer. Looks like leadership to me'? Where is that scenario where you hire that person?
Question: Let's say you own a company and are looking for someone to run it. Let's call it a steel manufacturing company. In the interview, you ask the candidate "Do you know who runs the little cattle farm in podunk, oklahoma? And the candidate replies: No, I don't. They don't buy our steel, they are little, and it doesn't matter. What I want to do is improve this company - not hob nob with people that don't know us and don't care to, people that will never use our steel."
What would your opinion of that person be?
This whole "foreign relations" thing is crap. Look at O - he had no experience with it. Of course, he went on the World Apology Tour - and it didn't do a dang thing for this country, did it?
Foreign relations schmoing relations. Who cares? Help us, we help you. Attack us, we attack you back even harder. THAT is foreign relations.
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I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't think he had a chance back when practically his whole entire staff up and quit but now I am considering him more and more.
His personal affairs, his "lobbying" will be issues but he seems to confront things head on better.
He will need a really attractive Veep to seal the deal. Someone who could attract independents and can speak in full sentences.
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Instead he said honestly and quite accurately, "I don't know, and I don't care." PERFECT ANSWER..
Looks like leadership to me.
Perfect answer?
In what possible scenario does a job applicant proudly announce 'I don't know the requirements of the job, and I don't care!', and you think 'Perfect answer. Looks like leadership to me'? Where is that scenario where you hire that person?
Question: Let's say you own a company and are looking for someone to run it. Let's call it a steel manufacturing company. In the interview, you ask the candidate "Do you know who runs the little cattle farm in podunk, oklahoma? And the candidate replies: No, I don't. They don't buy our steel, they are little, and it doesn't matter. What I want to do is improve this company - not hob nob with people that don't know us and don't care to, people that will never use our steel."
What would your opinion of that person be?
This whole "foreign relations" thing is crap. Look at O - he had no experience with it. Of course, he went on the World Apology Tour - and it didn't do a dang thing for this country, did it?
Foreign relations schmoing relations. Who cares? Help us, we help you. Attack us, we attack you back even harder. THAT is foreign relations.
Well, Arch, seeing as how Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan, or Uzbekistan, is a country that's directly north of Afghanistan, a country that we're currently at war with, and has the fourth largest gold resources in the world, and the largest army in Central Asia, and is a country that allowed us to have military bases in it's borders after 9/11, I have trouble likening it to a little cattle farm in Podunk, OK that will never be of any consequence.
Hate to go armchair candidate on Cain, but a correct response would've been something along the lines of 'Honestly, I don't know. I'm learning as a I go, politics isn't really my game. I'm more experience in matters of job creation.'
Y'know ... something professional? Instead, he acted like a clown.
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I think that Newt has done an amazing job of reinventing himself . . .
I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't think he had a chance back when practically his whole entire staff up and quit but now I am considering him more and more.
His personal affairs, his "lobbying" will be issues but he seems to confront things head on better.
He will need a really attractive Veep to seal the deal. Someone who could attract independents and can speak in full sentences.
And most of his staff went to work for Perry, IIRC.
Think they regret that move?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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He's better off bowing out.
I wonder where his support migrates to if he drops out? You'd think those attracted to Cain's business backround might switch to Romney, but its Gingrich whose support has increased as Cain's has waned.
However it funnels or filters, Romney will be the candidate.
In the grand scheme, he's the only one with a realistic chance of beating Obama in a general election.
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I see what you're saying, Phil, but I think I'm with arch on this one.
Yes, you would want him to be more polished, but at this point, I'd prefer a candidate that shows some spine over being polished. That might be more a reflection on his competition and his colleagues (the average politician) than anything, but it's how I feel.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I see what you're saying, Phil, but I think I'm with arch on this one.
Yes, you would want him to be more polished, but at this point, I'd prefer a candidate that shows some spine over being polished. That might be more a reflection on his competition and his colleagues (the average politician) than anything, but it's how I feel.
He wasn't showing any spine.
Here's what happened: Cain got caught with his pants down, and his response was to thump his chest about his own ignorance, thus playing towards the 'anti-establishment' or 'just folks' crowd.
For the record, the next question was whether or not Cain's gaffes build on the idea he doesn’t have in depth knowledge of foreign policy. His answer?
'9-9-9'.
Is that showing spine? Or just being an inept clown?
To me, it's no different than what politicians who lack spine or are 'too polished' are accused of being guilty of in the first place - obfuscation.
And let's also point out that there's a partisan aspect here. If the interview went down like this, I'd bet that Arch and DC would've been attacking, not defending it:
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REPORTER: Are you ready for the questions about your inexperience in areas such as foreign policy?
OBAMA: Yes, I'm ready. And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say, ‘You know, I don’t know. Do you know?’ And then I’m going to say, “How’s that going to create one job?”
REPORTER: Do you feel like these sorts of gaffes build on the idea that you don’t have in depth knowledge of foreign policy?
OBAMA: Hope and change.
DC, is that real leadership to you? Perfect answer, right?
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