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By REED ALBERGOTTI
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Every play during an NFL game is filmed from multiple angles in high definition. There are cameras hovering over the field, cameras lashed to the goalposts and cameras pointed at the coaches, who have to cover their mouths to call plays.

But for all the footage available, and despite the $4 billion or so the NFL makes every year by selling its broadcast rights, there's some footage the league keeps hidden.

Every play during an NFL game is filmed from multiple angles in high definition. But there's some footage the league keeps hidden as Reed Albergotti explains on Lunch Break.

If you ask the league to see the footage that was taken from on high to show the entire field and what all 22 players did on every play, the response will be emphatic. "NO ONE gets that," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy wrote in an email. This footage, added fellow league spokesman Greg Aiello, "is regarded at this point as proprietary NFL coaching information."

For decades, NFL TV broadcasts have relied most heavily on one view: the shot from a sideline camera that follows the progress of the ball. Anyone who wants to analyze the game, however, prefers to see the pulled-back camera angle known as the "All 22."

While this shot makes the players look like stick figures, it allows students of the game to see things that are invisible to TV watchers: like what routes the receivers ran, how the defense aligned itself and who made blocks past the line of scrimmage.

By distributing this footage only to NFL teams, and rationing it out carefully to its TV partners and on its web site, the NFL has created a paradox. The most-watched sport in the U.S. is also arguably the least understood. "I don't think you can get a full understanding without watching the entirety of the game," says former head coach Bill Parcells. The zoomed-in footage on TV broadcasts, he says, only shows a "fragment" of what happens on the field.

For much of the NFL's history, seeing only part of the field wasn't a big problem. Passing wasn't as common, or complex, as it is today.

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The NFL's creative geniuses were focused on the ground game and the lively run-blocking schemes that came with it. But as NFL offenses began passing more and sending more players into passing routes, they began stretching out the area in which plays are executed—making the All-22 footage more valuable. By the 1980s, when San Francisco's Bill Walsh began to perfect his pass-intensive West Coast offense, a scheme that involved moving the ball with quick, methodical throws, more of the game began to disappear beyond the edge of the television screen. Today's offenses, which routinely use four or even the maximum five receivers, have all but outgrown the traditional zoomed-in view.

Without the expanded frame, fans often have no idea why many plays turn out the way they do, or if the TV analysts are giving them correct information. On a recent Sunday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith threw a deep pass to tight end Delanie Walker for a 26-yard touchdown. Daryl Johnston, the Fox color man working the game, said Smith's throw was "placed perfectly" and that Tampa Bay Buccaneers safety Corey Lynch was "a little bit late getting there."

Greg Cosell, producer of the ESPN program "NFL Matchup," who is one of the few people with access to All-22 footage, said the 49ers had purposely overloaded the right side of the field so each receiver would only be covered by one defender. Lynch, the safety, wasn't late getting there, Cosell says. He was doing his job and covering somebody else. Johnston could not be reached for comment.

Frank Hawkins, a former NFL executive during the 1990s who is now a Scalar Media Partners consultant, says he remembers the NFL considering releasing the All 22. The biggest objection, he said, came from the football people.

Charley Casserly, a former general manager who was a member of the NFL's competition committee, says he voted against releasing All-22 footage because he worried that if fans had access, it would open players and teams up to a level of criticism far beyond the current hum of talk radio. Casserly believed fans would jump to conclusions after watching one or two games in the All 22, without knowing the full story.

"I was concerned about misinformation being spread about players and coaches and their ability to do their job," he said. "It becomes a distraction that you have to deal with." Now an analyst for CBS, Casserly takes an hour-and-a-half train once a week to NFL Films headquarters in Mt. Laurel, N.J. just to watch the All-22 film.

Lonnie Marts, a former linebacker for the Jacksonville Jaguars, says there are thousands of former NFL players who could easily pick apart play-calling and player performance if they had access to this film. "If you knew the game, you'd know that sometimes there's a lot of bonehead plays and bonehead coaching going on out there," he says.

After he retired, Marts says he wanted to talk about the Jaguars on a radio show, so he contacted the video guy from the Jaguars—who was a friend—and asked for a couple of game tapes. Marts says he never heard from the guy again.

The NFL makes a handful of plays from the All 22 available on its web site for a fee, but they're often so blurry the players' numbers aren't visible. Earlier this month, the league quietly asked fans, through a survey site, whether they would pay up to $100 to watch an online feed of the All 22.

News of the survey made its way to NFL message boards and fan sites, where the response among football obsessives was wildly positive. "Yes! Yes! Yes!" said one message-board post. Another said, "The All-22 tape would be amazing. We'd actually be able to see what the safeties are doing."

On a Buffalo Bills fan site called "The Buffalo Range," one message-board member said "I've been dying for them to release it for years. Please help me stuff the ballot box."

The NFL says the league wasn't actually serious about releasing the footage. The survey was meant only to gauge fan interest, Aiello says. "There's not a product in development," he says. "This is a long way from becoming a reality, if ever."

Write to Reed Albergotti at reed.albergotti@wsj.com

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for the amount they charge for the season ticket, you'd think this could be a sub-channel offering for each game.


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Ha Ha,, I feel so vindicated. everytime I hear of someone saying this player did this and that player did that and I ask how do you know,, They say,, I watched the game,, I watched it over and over again.

Then I say something about it and for the next ten posts, I get beat on as not knowing anything about football..

Truth is, I know little.. But common sense says that if you can't see the whole field (which you clearly can't from broadcast video) then how the hell do you know what the players were doing.. What routes they were running etc.


Love him or hate him, Parcells basically says it all with this one liner:

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I love it. See me gloat

Someone will jump in soon to explain how Parcells is an idiot..., it will happen in 5,4,3,2


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Someone will jump in soon to explain how Parcells is an idiot..., it will happen in 5,4,3,2




Quincy Carter.

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OK, you got me,, I don't understand the reference.. carter I know was a QB for Dallas... but beyond that, the reference escapes me

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Parcells picked Carter to be his QB in Dallas.


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Parcells picked Carter to be his QB in Dallas.




Does that mean that Parcells doesn't know anything?


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I don't need any kind of special game tape to know a lot of the things the Browns are doing are wrong.

But as I said on twitter the other day, I absolutely live for post-game call in shows when "Coach's tape" guy calls in. The guy who thinks he knows how to fix the Browns because he watches the coach's tape that nobody else gets to. LMAO.

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Ha Ha,, I feel so vindicated. everytime I hear of someone saying this player did this and that player did that and I ask how do you know,, They say,, I watched the game,, I watched it over and over again.


Vindicated? Really?

People talk about players they can see, not one's they can't. Those of us who bother to actually rewatch the games talk about what we see, not what we can't.

Vindicated.....that's priceless.

If there's any REAL lesson to be learned here, it's this:

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There are too many fans who take what an announcer says as gospel. They can't POSSIBLY know what's happened on a play right as it's happened with any degree of certainty.

Case in point: A certain poster during the gameday chat last week harped on how Fouts said the Browns don't look like they had any hot-reads in place. This poster decided to use that as a soap-box to take shots at the receivers and the coaches in an attempt to defend McCoy. The TRUTH of that play was it was a designed rollout, as opposed to McCoy scrambling around to avoid the rush. Now that poster looks like a dope. Too bad it's too late to hit the edit button.

So the thing to take from this isn't about whether or not anyone can say they've been able to see everything on the screen. I have not seen one single poster claim they can do that. I HAVE seen too many people use words by an announcer in the game to try and validate their own opinions. Sometimes, such as when an announcer is talking about a rusher coming unblocked, he's right. Other times, such as when Johnston says a safety is late coming over, or when Fouts says a team has no hot-reads ( ) they are clearly wrong.

Funny part about the 22 camera's......if people wanna see some of that, all they have to do is watch NFL Matchup on ESPN.


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There are too many fans who take what an announcer says as gospel. They can't POSSIBLY know what's happened on a play right as it's happened with any degree of certainty.

Case in point: A certain poster during the gameday chat last week harped on how Fouts said the Browns don't look like they had any hot-reads in place. This poster decided to use that as a soap-box to take shots at the receivers and the coaches in an attempt to defend McCoy. The TRUTH of that play was it was a designed rollout, as opposed to McCoy scrambling around to avoid the rush. Now that poster looks like a dope. Too bad it's too late to hit the edit button.





He said it more than once but then you go on to talk about a specific play.

Are you saying the comment has no merit?


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If you mean Fouts specific comment about how he said it looks like we have no hot-reads, then that's exactly what I'm saying: That comment has no merit.

There isn't an NFL team in the past two decades that doesn't have a hot-read system in place. That isn't to be confused with an audible system. A hot-read is nothing more than a sight-adjustment by the QB and receiver who recognize a blitz and understand they have to run a quick-hitter. That's basic football for college.

The question is not whether or not we have a system in place, it's whether or n™t we are executing it.

When Fouts made that comment, he did it in response to what he THOUGHT he saw. His comment can only lead to one conclusion: He felt that the defense blitzed but that we didn't have a hot-read in place, so McCoy had to scramble out of the pocket and throw an improvised, broken play which resulted in an incomplete pass.

What REALLY happened was the total opposite.

The ironic part is that on this play, Little is motioning to McCoy, and though McCoy was flustered and seemingly tried to motion to Little in response while simultaneously trying to take the snap ( ) replay shows it was a DESIGNED rollout to try and hit Little on an out right at the first-down marker.

Here's how it played out:

It was a blitz by the defense.
McCoy and Little were communicating something and were on the same page.
McCoy rolled out as planned.
Little was open on the out.
McCoy threw the ball short and wide for an incomplete pass.
Fouts says it looks like we don't have any hot-reads in place.

The best case scenario for Fouts there was that he was just wrong and it was a planned rollout from the getgo.

The WORST case scenario is that McCoy and Little were communicating a hot-read and it succeeded, just that McCoy threw a bad pass.

In either case, Fouts was wrong. Dead wrong.

But you know what? That's no sin. Anyone that expects these announcers to know everything that happens on any given play have pathetically unrealistic expectations. Consequently, anyone who chooses to use words given by an announcer as validation of their opinion and use it as their own private soap-box are going to eventually get embarrassed. I won't name the poster, because he's dealing with enough internal embarrassment as it is over this.

There are times when announcers give good info, but when one decides to take an opinion given right after a play happens and consider it factual, well, that's flawed reasoning.


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I'm not sure what the argument is here.

Fouts saying that it LOOKS LIKE the Browns don't have any hot reads in place is an exaggerated way of saying they AREN'T excecuting them, IMO. By not executing them, it would certainly appear they aren't in place. I seriously doubt he truly believes that and made his comments as a way to illustrate how poor the offense is performing.

He was trying to embarrass the Browns in the nicest way possible. LOL ...


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I didn't know we were arguing.

I could see where an announcer says it looks like they don't have any hot-reads in place, but was being nice, when he really meant we are just too pathetic to execute them, hehe.

I would want to clear something up that I said. The poster I'm chiding (he who shall remain un-named ) didn't use that quote right as the play happened in the gameday chat. It was elsewhere. Still, that's the risk of taking an announcers heat-of-the-moment words as gospel.


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Oh that is so much a big pile of Poo...

They talked about Robo constantly (just one example),,, couldn't see him on the broadcast video cause the ball wasn't thrown to him and as I said before and this article confirmed, the sideline cameras follow the ball..

So darn many "Know it alls" who sit here and type out how many times they watch the video over and over again just to make sure they got the information right and what are they looking at......... Not what the coaches see. So, when a coach says, X player was where he was supposed to be.. he most likely knows it because he knows where the guy is supposed to be and has access to the all22 film to verifiy it.

Meaning that those that say the coach is wrong, are most likely wrong themselves.

One of the better coaches of all time has just said that it's impossible to analyze a game without the All22 film...

But but but,, That can't be true, otherwise, how would folks on here (who do not have access to the all22 film) do such a tremendous job?

yeah, I do indeed feel vindicated... 100%

There is one caviat (Maybe) Watching broadcast video may net you some serious views of the O and D lines.. so while there is lots going on, a person could stop and replay plays enough to get info on linemen. That I could almost buy.

The Maybe thing stems from us not seeing what else is going on which may have an effect on how a guy plays....

So keep right on watching film that the experts tell you doesn't tell the story and draw conclusions that aren't entirely fact...... Be my guest


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I think it is quite apparent that the Browns are not running hot routes and Shurmur pretty well alludes to this at his press conference when he stated "we had a hat for every rusher except on one play". If you have a "hat" for every rusher, you don't run a hot route. So, while we may indeed have hot routes, it appears that we are not using them since Shurmur is expecting everyone to be blocked so he can run his offense (which is also why we rarely use shotgun). This is yet another problem of having your HC be the playcaller/OC as well, because, who now is gonna tell the OC to change the playbook/calls when it is obvious they aren't working.

Also, I have to agree with Daman here, if you cannot see all 22 players, you really cannot comment on who is open and what routes were missed, etc.

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But. We. Battled.


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They talked about Robo constantly




He got cut for a reason.

This group of receivers on this team, and he couldn't even keep a spot on the roster.

Give it up, everyone but you was right on Robiskie.



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I didn't think he sucked, either.

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If you have a "hat" for every rusher, you don't run a hot route.





Define a hot route, and how the latter applies to the former......


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If everyone is blocked, I would assume there is no need to alter a route for a quick throw...

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i'm confused. 90% of our WR routes are of the 5-10 yard variety.

how much 'hotter' do we need them to be?


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I guess the -8 yard yard routes constitute Hot Routes for us...


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So the thing to take from this isn't about whether or not anyone can say they've been able to see everything on the screen. I have not seen one single poster claim they can do that.




If I'm re-watching the game i most certainly can see everything on the Screen

The field is a different story though...lol

I used to do what you do looking at what different players on the line did....i don't have my dvr anymore, and i couldn't stomach it anyway.

It does show you some stuff, but it doesn't tell the whole story....

even if we had these all22 tapes we still only have half the info needed....we need the play called to compare to.

What you can see is individual (hate to say it) battles...if a guard pulls and whiffs on a lb, then we can ascertain that he was supposed to block him, time before the qb is pressured, if a wr is open and where he's supposed to be. ect.

Long story short, without all the pieces we really don't know what we are seeing...cut the view down even more and we are left with very little.


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People talk about players they can see, not one's they can't. Those of us who bother to actually rewatch the games talk about what we see, not what we can't.



Actually I've seen quite a few posters take a few things they could see and attempt to extrapolate that out to what must have been happening on the parts of the screen they couldn't see. Now I don't have a problem with that, it's just one persons opinion, but don't act like it doesn't happen.

Heck certain people take what reporters say as gospel and repeat it over and over again, I'd be more inclined to believe Fouts knows what he's looking at than most reporters... that's not to say he can't be wrong. As the other poster said, in a lot of situations, you can only know for sure that a person screwed up if you know for sure what he was supposed to do.

Yea, if the DE goes around the OT like he's standing still and hits the QB, odds are he screwed up.... but maybe the RB was supposed to give him a chip? You just don't know.


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The best case scenario for Fouts there was that he was just wrong and it was a planned rollout from the getgo




Or you could be speculating / assuming that he was talking about that specific play.
He could have been making a general observations of our offense, based on the game and not specifically commenting on the play you are describing.

I think that is more probable, because I'm quite sure Fouts would no that (if) there is a roll out that it's a designed play that would rule out a hot route, because a designed roll out is an attempt to buy more time for not only the QB, but also for the receivers to run their designed route for the play and would be no need for a hot read there, that would be redundant.

One benefit the announcers have is that like the fans in the stadium, they can see the whole field and also see the replays in the both like those watching on TV.

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Fouts also said that we had an obvious problem with our blocking schemes too because he had never seen so many people come unblocked... and if I'm not mistaken he said these two things around the same time... so take them together and you get some combination of poor coaching and poor execution... it's really hard to imagine that either is fully responsible, it's also hard to imagine that either is fully innocent.


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Fouts also said that we had an obvious problem with our blocking schemes too because he had never seen so many people come unblocked... and if I'm not mistaken he said these two things around the same time... so take them together and you get some combination of poor coaching and poor execution... it's really hard to imagine that either is fully responsible, it's also hard to imagine that either is fully innocent.




Well I for one am happy he made mention of our poor protection schemes. It's been an ongoing problem I think ... Ryan Tucker also touched on this issue too on the Browns tonight episode Sunday night. Basically saying and illustrating how the protection scheme was not correctly executed on those occasions (namely by our young OG's). We can only hope that this is the case and players start executing better.

Poor scheme? Perhaps so, but it probably has more to do with the execution by all, including the RB's.

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So the thing to take from this isn't about whether or not anyone can say they've been able to see everything on the screen. I have not seen one single poster claim they can do that.



If I'm re-watching the game i most certainly can see everything on the Screen

The field is a different story though...lol




Hehehe.....Yeah, glad you got the right word in there.....field, not screen. Sometimes the fingers take over before the mind can kick in!

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Nope, nobody should claim to know everything that happens on every play. My point is that while I've seen people offer opinions, I've also seen guys like Dj admit they couldn't see everything. Now sometimes we only see what we want to see which blinds us from what's real. Even the best in the league do that. It happens more here. Big shock.

To play Devil's Advocate here, we can accurately dissect most of what happens on the Oline. When it's time to evaluate what happens at the 2nd and 3rd levels, well, it gets dicy. Watching only half of the last game in rewind told me a ton of which guys were guilty of failure, and I didn't need to know what happened as the receivers went off the screen.


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They talked about Robo constantly




He got cut for a reason.

This group of receivers on this team, and he couldn't even keep a spot on the roster.

Give it up, everyone but you was right on Robiskie.




Again, I get that he got cut for a reason.. THAT isn't the point here.

Many on this board decided he wasn't any good.. They said that watched tape over and over again..,Comments like, he ran routes short or sloppy were written all over the place.

I said,, But how do you know that? And the answers were, we saw it on video!

The only time Robo or any receiver shows up on video is when he catches or drops the ball or happens to just be in the vicinity of where the ball goes..

I'm not arguing why Robo was cut..Obviously they saw something on the tapes that we NEVER see that made up thier minds for them.


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The only time Robo or any receiver shows up on video is when he catches or drops the ball or happens to just be in the vicinity of where the ball goes..




I'd venture to guess many people decided he was no good because he wasn't being targeted much, (assuming he wasn't getting open), that his numbers were low, (again, from not being targeted so assumed he was not getting open).

In truth, my truth, I believe the majority who clamored that he sucked did so because his number of catches was low regardless of any real reason for it.

No one saw crap on video.

Apparently there was good reason to let him go. It could have been anything from effort to attitude to not improving or even just playing badly. Whatever the reason no one here knows for sure what it was.


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I'd venture to guess many people decided he was no good because he wasn't being targeted much, (assuming he wasn't getting open), that his numbers were low, (again, from not being targeted so assumed he was not getting open).

In truth, my truth, I believe the majority who clamored that he sucked did so because his number of catches was low regardless of any real reason for it.

No one saw crap on video.

Apparently there was good reason to let him go. It could have been anything from effort to attitude to not improving or even just playing badly. Whatever the reason no one here knows for sure what it was.




Now that I can agree with. thanks Ddub


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Whatever the reason no one here knows for sure what it was.




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LOL.

Thanks Hel, that was rich!


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Still, no one knows the reason.

He's gone now. So everyone can say he sucks. But no one can say exactly why.


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Still, no one knows the reason.

He's gone now. So everyone can say he sucks. But no one can say exactly why.




I think the point is, yeah, he probably sucks. The team that sees the all22 film knows the details that we will never know. But releasing him tells the whole story.

So now we all know that those on this board that said that Robo sucked, were right.. But they didn't know for sure. they couldn't. But in the end they appear to be right.

But what I was railing against is when they all said they watched broadcast video and saw that Robo wasn't running routes correctly.. HA HA..

To know that for sure, two things are needed.

1. The inside knowledge of where he was supposed to go on any given play

2. The all22 film to actually see if he did or didn't go there.

that's why I just laugh at the gurus that say they know....


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ddub, I can agree with that. I think the other thing people took into consideration was the other WRs.. it's not like he was competing against great (or even really good) established WRs for catches.. he didn't have Reggie Wayne or Wes Welker taking all of the catches away from him.... so even with other mediocre at best pass catching options, he STILL couldn't get targeted...


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I said repeatedly that I couldn't see Robiskie on EVERY play.

However, to act like there's never camera angles that you could see Robiskie is just wrong.

The times you could see Robiskie, you could see that he was getting jammed at the line, you could see poor route running, you could see him not getting seperation.

Sure, maybe I only could see him 5 out of every 50 snaps that he was in.

But, if he was bad on those 5, I assume it's the norm. Would be a crazy coincidence if he just happened to be on the screen during his 5 bad plays.



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I said repeatedly that I couldn't see Robiskie on EVERY play.

However, to act like there's never camera angles that you could see Robiskie is just wrong.

The times you could see Robiskie, you could see that he was getting jammed at the line, you could see poor route running, you could see him not getting seperation.

Sure, maybe I only could see him 5 out of every 50 snaps that he was in.

But, if he was bad on those 5, I assume it's the norm. Would be a crazy coincidence if he just happened to be on the screen during his 5 bad plays.




I actually wasn't referring to you specifically..

And of course there are angles were you can see Robo.. I said as much. Whenever he was in the vicinity of the where the ball went, you can see him..

That don't tell you anything. Unless of course you choose to believe that you can see one or two plays where he may not have looked like he was doing the right thing,, then assume he never does what he's supposed to.


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