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The Browns are currently ranked #31 in touchback percentage, allowing returns on 77.3% of all kickoffs (we are also allowing 27.8 yards per return, the combination of which is very bad). The top half of teams all have touchback percentages of 50% or higher. It may be time to go get (even in midseason) a kickoff specialist that can boom kicks out of the end zone and remove the risk of returns from our game planning.
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I nominate Rubin. He looks like he could give the ball a boom. Yes, that is in jest, but really, if we don't have that guy on our active list, then we cannot really afford to waste a spot on it. Maybe this is what Cribbs was talking about 
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I'd say that this is at the absolute bottom of any priority list we may have.
Why? Because we've proven over and over that it really does not matter at all where the opponent starts their drives.
Until then, I fail to see how this matters at all.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Apart from the TD, our kick coverage has been really good... lots of tackles at the 10-12 yard line area. I bet we came into the game among the league leaders in opponents' starting field position off kickoffs.
Yes, that's a specific statistic, but the most relevant.
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This is the epitome of a knee jerk reaction to one unfortunate event.
Prior to the Raiders game we had kicked off 18 times and had:
5 touchbacks (start at the 20)
1 kicked out of bounds (start at the 40)
12 returned for a total of 266 yards (average starting position the 22.16 yard line)
Average starting field position for our opponent..... THE 22.55 YARD LINE
So you want to clear a roster spot to try to save 2 yards of starting field position?
There have been 6 kickoffs returned for TDs this year and the teams that gave them up by touchback percentage are... #32 (Vikings), 31 (Browns), 21 (Seahawks), 12 (Chargers), 11 (Saints), and 2 (Ravens). So the odds of giving up a TD on a KO return, so far this year, are just as good in the top half of touchback percentages as they are in the bottom half.
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12 returned for a total of 266 yards (average starting position the 22.16 yard line)
Average starting field position for our opponent..... THE 22.55 YARD LINE
The 22.16 is just 266/12, but KO return yardage isn't calculated as "yards away from the goalline." That average starting position might actually be smaller if most of those were returned from inside the end zone.
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really? 
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Yes. First, the roster spot would likely get paid for by not needing as many extra special teamers for kickoff duties. Second, the ability to kick a ball out of the endzone when desired is huge. After we tied the game with that touchdown, allowing them to get that return was a momentum killer and didn't let our D even try to build on the momentum of our td drive either.
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Yes. First, the roster spot would likely get paid for by not needing as many extra special teamers for kickoff duties.
because we don't use the same specialists on punts?
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Second, the ability to kick a ball out of the endzone when desired is huge.
it can be a nice thing to have in your back-pocket if you score late to take a lead and don't want any chance of the other team coming back. but, you have to score late to take a lead for it to really matter in that scenario 
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After we tied the game with that touchdown, allowing them to get that return was a momentum killer and didn't let our D even try to build on the momentum of our td drive either.
1 unfortunate play. if we over-reacted to every unfortunate play, then we would fire the whole team and bring in new guys (including FO/coaches) after nearly every game.
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Yes. First, the roster spot would likely get paid for by not needing as many extra special teamers for kickoff duties. Second, the ability to kick a ball out of the endzone when desired is huge. After we tied the game with that touchdown, allowing them to get that return was a momentum killer and didn't let our D even try to build on the momentum of our td drive either.
Maybe we want to kick it right where they will decide to take it out, and pin then behind the 20? Is it really the kickers fault the other 10 guys on the field couldn't contain the guy?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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12 returned for a total of 266 yards (average starting position the 22.16 yard line)
Average starting field position for our opponent..... THE 22.55 YARD LINE
The 22.16 is just 266/12, but KO return yardage isn't calculated as "yards away from the goalline." That average starting position might actually be smaller if most of those were returned from inside the end zone.
Good point.
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So you want to clear a roster spot to try to save 2 yards of starting field position?
Devil's advocate...
Cut some pure ST roster fodder, Cribbs goes strictly ST, we don't need WR's anyway so no need to sign someone for that position, sign Kicker McThump. Boom, problem solved.
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I wonder if Benard's replacement on kick coverage had anything to do with that return busting.
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Jacoby Ford is a great returner, the Raiders have a legit special team unit, and Dawson sucks at kick offs.
That is the brunt of it.
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Based on what i'm seeing, Janikowski was 1-5 in causing a touchback. So he is a noodle-leg waste of a kickoff man too, right?
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We will need a replacement for Dawson after this season.
He won't be back.
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Heard that before. Eventually, it will have to happen. Keep saying it... One day you'll be right.
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The Browns are currently ranked #31 in touchback percentage, allowing returns on 77.3% of all kickoffs (we are also allowing 27.8 yards per return, the combination of which is very bad). The top half of teams all have touchback percentages of 50% or higher. It may be time to go get (even in midseason) a kickoff specialist that can boom kicks out of the end zone and remove the risk of returns from our game planning.
Who is it you are trying to replace?
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Jacoby Ford is a great returner, the Raiders have a legit special team unit, and Dawson sucks at kick offs.
That is the brunt of it.
Jacoby Ford is just plain fast. He and CJ Spiller were on the same 4x1 track and field team that I want to say won a few national titles. Spiller had a 4.28 and was the 7th pick overall. Jacoby Ford ran a 4.28 and was a 4th round pick because of his size.
BUT ... he is still fast.
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