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So he had a bad game....in which he still had a 8.2yds/PA, 3TDs to go with his 3 INTs and over 450yds btw....go watch everybody's darling Barkley against ASU with his 63% comp, 1-2 TD/INT and 6.9yds/pass or Landry Jones against TT, FSU or A&M....I'm sure everybody will feel good spending a Top 5 pick after watching those games....1 game is 1 game, happens
I'd rather have Luck too but he's a longshot, so I'd roll the dice on Weeden late 1st, early 2nd rather than spend a top 10 (or probably more) to get Barkley or Jones
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So he had a bad game....
A bad game? 
After that display, you should self-ban yourself from ANY draft opinions for at least a month.
Your boy/old-man has 4-6 round written all over him...and that's WITH a stud WR.
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Thanks for the links.
As far as draft strength, don't get too hung up on that. Top prospects usually leave after their junior year, so all drafts look weak without adding them.
If you added last years juniors to this class, it would look as good as any other year.
After kids make the jump this year, next years class is going to look weak....until the next wave make the jump....and so on
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The player that really got my attention last night was Adcock. Another good RT prospect that should be there in the 2nd. 2nd round appears to be the round for a RT. Wouldn't mind having a couple 2nd rounders though lol.
Weeden and Blackmon's stock is pretty steady. I still see a 2nd round prospect in Weeden due to scheme and age. As bad as some will say he played last night, man he made some Aaron Rogers throws last night.
Blackmon will come off the board quick as teams want to put their young QB with a stud young receiver and I could see a few teams on the back end looking to trade up for the kid as well.
The North Carolina game killed Zach Browns stock imho. Linebacker is the hustle position and when I see a linebacker that stands around waiting for others to make a play, he is done for in my book. At times I see Demeco Ryans at other times I see a good CFL prospect. Kid must have ADD or something.
While we are talking UNC prospects. Coples looks like a pure 3-4 end. The kid that I think is going to be a star off that team is WR Dwight Jones. Will probably go mid to late 2nd. Kid is going to be really good at the next level.
Tonight USC vs. Oregon is the game to watch if you want to really compare Barkley to Luck.
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I don't know about 4-6 round.
Weeden is a good prospect, django just thinks you can completely overlook his age.
He's 28. He's older than Aaron Rodgers. You can't take him in the 1st.
If I could get him in the 2nd, early 3rd, I'd be all over it though. (Assuming we don't take a 1st round QB.)
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I don't know about 4-6 round.
Weeden is a good prospect, django just thinks you can completely overlook his age.
He's 28. He's older than Aaron Rodgers. You can't take him in the 1st.
If I could get him in the 2nd, early 3rd, I'd be all over it though. (Assuming we don't take a 1st round QB.)
What do u think of Danny Trevathan?
I've been working on a mock draft and got us drafting both Sean Spence and Danny Trevathan in the mid-rounds.. Both are undersized but great tacklers, especially behind the LOS.
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I realize that. Just making an observation that the best players in the draft will be the underclassman (As it tends to be every year) and that it will be hard to project any kind of draft position for a player until we know which underclassmen will/won't declare. The draft will look a lot different if players that we think will declare (Luck, Barkley, Richardson, Burfect etc) return to college. Everyone is saying "Oh I would be happy with Barkley". What if he doesn't come out?
Definitely not a cause for concern, the draft will be what it will be.
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I don't know about 4-6 round.
Weeden is a good prospect, django just thinks you can completely overlook his age.
He's 28. He's older than Aaron Rodgers. You can't take him in the 1st.
If I could get him in the 2nd, early 3rd, I'd be all over it though. (Assuming we don't take a 1st round QB.)
I am mostly yanking DJs chain...if you could photoshop McCoy's body over Weeden's body last night, DJ would have said Weeden will go undrafted and would get cut in the CFL.
I'm nowhere near the "draft guy" that many are on this board...not even close...but I would not take Weeden until the 4th at the absolute earliest.
I am of the opinion that our first (4) picks MUST be capable of being starters on Day 1 next season...Lord knows we have the holes. (I might even say our first (5) picks if we are picking in the top 5 each round.)
CB & WR in the 1st
RT in the 2nd
LB/RB in the 3rd
RB/LB in the 4th
Even with the little I know about players outside Rd 1, I'd say that is very do-able.
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If you're expecting to get a Day 1 starter outside of the first two rounds, you're going to be very disappointed.
Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare ... Very rare.
Even the guys who come in rounds 3-7 that eventually become good starters in the NFL, generally weren't ready to start Day 1.
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I'll probably do v.3 after the Thanksgiving games.
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If you're expecting to get a Day 1 starter outside of the first two rounds, you're going to be very disappointed.
Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare ... Very rare.
Even the guys who come in rounds 3-7 that eventually become good starters in the NFL, generally weren't ready to start Day 1.
I agree with you generally...but we are bad enough at enough places and our 3rd & 4th round picks will likely be very, very early in the round.
I EXPECT our first three picks to be starters next year. It is reasonable to think that the best available of RT/WR/CB/LB when we pick would be able to beat out what we have now. (I say that assuming that the WR & CB would be taken in the 1st...maybe second.)
If we go DE , that guy could easily start as well if taken early. Also at RB depending on what happens with Hillis/Hardesty and how Jackson recovers.
I keep saying/hinting/hoping that we need one more really good draft and off-season to get to the point where we could "sell out" to draft a QB or sign a FA to get us over the top.
This next draft and offseason will dictate whether we start to be consistently competitive in 2012 or if we need yet another year just to get to that beginning.
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just finished watching the Georgia game.. Trevanthan had a few TFL and made sure fire tackles.. I thought he had a decent game.
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Trevathon is one of the most underrated player in this draft. He is great in coverage and about as sure handed of a tackler as you will find. The kid is going to lead the SEC in tackles for a 2nd straight year. He reminds of Thomas Davis before the knee injuries. This kid can play. Would love to see him in a Browns uniform as he would be perfect for the Weakside Linebacker position.
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Trevathon is one of the most underrated player in this draft. He is great in coverage and about as sure handed of a tackler as you will find. The kid is going to lead the SEC in tackles for a 2nd straight year. He reminds of Thomas Davis before the knee injuries. This kid can play. Would love to see him in a Browns uniform as he would be perfect for the Weakside Linebacker position.
yea.. watching him today.. he missed no tackles.. and every tackle he made there was no way the runner/receiver was getting away.. He was decent against the run too. If I remember correctly.. he may have even forced a fumble.
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Have you seen any predictions about what round he is going to be drafted?
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He had a 3rd round grade as a junior, he thought he could improve upon that and came back for his senior year. Right now he is considered a 3rd round prospect again. With so many teams going to the 3-4, it cuts down on his value but he is going to be a steal for someone. I suspect he will end up late 2nd early 3rd area.
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I think b/c of his size he may fall to the 4th..
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Here are a couple questions for you guys: 1 - There is a lot of talk about the various Qb's in this draft (Luck,Barkley,Jones,RG3,Tannehill) but a guy who looks to me like he is having a very good year is getting absolutely zero notice. Tyler Wilson of Arkansas. A 6'3" 220# redshirt junior. SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT 2011 243 385 3215 63.1 8.35 68 21 5 18 148.7 http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/382642/tyler-wilson Why is there no talk about this guy? Am I missing something? 2 - D'Qwell is having a nice year but at season's end he is a FA. I don't know if he wants to re-sign with us or at what price. Regardless he has the injury history which I still have some (though significantly decreased from the start of the season) concerns about. But more so I would prefer a big mean thumper in the middle of our defense. Someone to bring a meanness and attitude. Which I don't think D'Qwell does. I also think we could move D'Qwell to OLB and improve both LB spots. With the Atlanta pick we might have our choice of the 2 top ILB in this draft. Vontaze Burfict and Manti Te'o. IF we decide to go that direction, which one would you choose and why? I ask because I have yet to see either in action personally.
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Here are a couple questions for you guys:
1 - There is a lot of talk about the various Qb's in this draft (Luck,Barkley,Jones,RG3,Tannehill) but a guy who looks to me like he is having a very good year is getting absolutely zero notice. Tyler Wilson of Arkansas. A 6'3" 220# redshirt junior.
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2011 243 385 3215 63.1 8.35 68 21 5 18 148.7
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/382642/tyler-wilson
Why is there no talk about this guy? Am I missing something?
2 - D'Qwell is having a nice year but at season's end he is a FA. I don't know if he wants to re-sign with us or at what price. Regardless he has the injury history which I still have some (though significantly decreased from the start of the season) concerns about. But more so I would prefer a big mean thumper in the middle of our offense.
With the Atlanta pick we might have our choice of the 2 top ILB in this draft. Vontaze Burfict and Manti Te'o. IF we decide to go that direction, which one would you choose and why? I ask because I have yet to see either in action personally.
I'm not sure if the Arkansas QB is coming out.. I think thats why there isn't much talk about him..
If Burfict is there with the Atlanta pick.. sure.. I would take him. He brings an fierce presence to his defense. For whatever reason though, I'd rather use the pick on a corner like Chase Minnifield who is good in man coverage, and GREAT against the run.
Our defense is pretty good w/ the mediocre LB's that we have. Adding some mid/late picks like Sean Spence and Trevathan would be sufficient to me. Tackling is the biggest weakness on this team, and both of them are tackling monsters. I think D'Q will get an extension too.
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A QB i like who isn't a 1st rounder is Austin Davis from Southern Miss. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/237729/austin-davis From GBN Report: Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, 6-2, 200, 4.75, SR … Prototype west coast QB who actually came to Southern Miss as a baseball prospect; very good athlete with the ability to run out of trouble; throws well on the run; accurate passer completed 63% of his pass attempts in 2010 for 3,100 yards and 20 TDs; reads the field well, makes quick decisions and has a quick, compact release; takes care of the football and had just 6 picks last season; character player has already graduated with a degree in business administration; missed 8 games in 2009 with a foot injury.
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Our defense is ok, I want a defense that is feared  Of course I want an offense that can score a TD too.
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wilson has played better of late but he was looking pretty sloppy early on. Another year will do him good.
Burfict, I would not touch with a first round draft choice. Maybe 3rd where there isn't much risk involved. The guy is headcase and he just seems like the type that when he gets some money in his pockets look out.
Saw on ESPN this morning that Trevathon finished the game with 16 tackles and 2 forced fumbles. He had been putting up 18 a game.
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I agree a bookened corner for Haden will do more for our D then one LB.
I like Burfects ability though I am not so sure he isn't a egg head.
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A QB i like who isn't a 1st rounder is Austin Davis from Southern Miss.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/237729/austin-davis
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Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, 6-2, 200, 4.75, SR … Prototype west coast QB who actually came to Southern Miss as a baseball prospect; very good athlete with the ability to run out of trouble; throws well on the run; accurate passer completed 63% of his pass attempts in 2010 for 3,100 yards and 20 TDs; reads the field well, makes quick decisions and has a quick, compact release; takes care of the football and had just 6 picks last season; character player has already graduated with a degree in business administration; missed 8 games in 2009 with a foot injury.
If they stick with McCoy for another season, that sounds like the kind of kid they might bring in behind him as a "developmental" guy.
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wilson has played better of late but he was looking pretty sloppy early on. Another year will do him good.
I agree that he would be better served coming back for a senior season. Especially given the number of 1st 2 round rated qb's coming out. He looks good though - from the little that I have seen. But if he did come out ...
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I don't get that whole money issue impression about him. I get the impression that he is just a crazy football loving beast. Only question is: can you keep him from being too crazy/out of control?
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So you are saying he is starting to slack off? Resting on his laurels?
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I'm all for grabbing the top two defensive players with our first two picks. We are developing a positive defensive identity, and I'd like to keep going in the right direction. Great defenses can win championships.
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I'm all for grabbing the top two defensive players with our first two picks. We are developing a positive defensive identity, and I'd like to keep going in the right direction. Great defenses can win championships.
with what offense? no way we spend both of those picks on the defensive side of the ball.. its possible for sure as we could address positions like DE, LB, and CB.. With Hillis on the mends of going elsewhere.. this offense needs a star..
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If Blackmon is there, I just don't know how you pass on him.
He seems to be the no brainer pick for a team that has absolutely no explosive offensive players.
I would hope our draft board looks something like this:
1.) Justin Blackmon
2.) Trent Richardson
3.) Morris Claiborne
I leave Luck off because even if the Browns lose out, there's a zero percent chance Indy wins 3-4 games.
I might even move Claiborne above Richardson as putting a player that talented opposite of Haden instantly makes the defense that much better. RB is probably something we can get with our Falcons 1st or our pick near the top of the 2nd.
Browns need some more help on the DL but with Taylor and Sheard looking like keepers, along with Rubin, I think you try to go out and get an established DE to pair with that young crew. Not sure if you need to take a defensive lineman with that top pick. Browns really need a difference maker on offense.
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I'm really not a big Blackmon fan. I don't think he's explosive enough or fast enough to be a stud in the NFL. I think he can be an Anquan Boldin type guy, but not elite.
And there's no way I'm drafting Boldin in the top ten.
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I'm really not a big Blackmon fan. I don't think he's explosive enough or fast enough to be a stud in the NFL. I think he can be an Anquan Boldin type guy, but not elite.
And there's no way I'm drafting Boldin in the top ten.
Don't we already kind of have a Boldin type in G. Little?
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Yeah, I'd say so. I think what the Browns really need is some deep speed. I like Little a lot, but he isn't a speedster with deep threat ability.
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While Blackmon doesn't have elite speed, my guess is he'll run much better than people think.
At 6'1"-6'2", he's a bit of a long strider, so he doesn't "look fast" but he certainly doesn't have any trouble getting open.
He also has great hands, something none of our receivers do. Great on 3rd down with his bigger frame and also great on the goaline with the ability to make the leaping catch.
I think he's a much better prospect than Bolden. Straight line speed is so overrated at WR. Larry Fitz ran a what at the combine? 4.65?
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