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I thought this sounded pretty neat. Could even be an option for you out-of-towners coming to a game and looking to stay somewhere on the ultra-cheap. Plus, I graduated from high school with Mark; he and his family are good people and I wish him well with this venture. LinkQuote:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mark Raymond has visited more than 70 countries and slept at more than 100 hostels. Now the 30-year-old Geneva man plans to open his own budget-oriented inn, where beds will start at $25 a night. The Cleveland Hostel, near the West Side Market in Ohio City, will be the only such stopover in Northeast Ohio. A smaller hostel in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park closed several years ago.
"This is just going to be an amazing economic-development engine, because people who travel talk," said Cleveland City Councilman Joe Cimperman, whose ward includes the Market District , the area around the West Side Market. "If they have a good experience here, they're going to tell more people."
Part of an influx of young entrepreneurs in Ohio City, Raymond signed a lease last week for 8,500 square feet at 2084 W. 25th St. The three-story building will hold 60 beds and a shared kitchen. It could include a rooftop patio and bike-rental shop. Raymond hopes to have his own apartment in the building, in a retail-and-office redevelopment called Marketplace.
Hostels offer rooms ranging from dormitory-style halls to smaller spaces for families or individuals. These no-frills accommodations cost less to run than hotels, enabling them to rent rooms cheaply. Some hostels target young travelers, but the Cleveland hostel will aim for a range of guests, from road-tripping retirees to church groups. "It will not be luxurious, but it will be unique to Cleveland," Raymond said. "I'm really trying to capture what Cleveland is and my love for the city. It's not necessarily the hottest tourist destination, but there are definitely people coming here, wanting to explore."
Civic groups have been tossing around hostel plans since 2003 , but financing was hard to find. Raymond said he is tackling construction with help from his father, the president of Raymond Builders Supply Inc. in Geneva. The project, a nearly $500,000 investment, could open in May. The city of Cleveland is considering a $40,000, low-interest loan for the bike-rental area. Ohio City Inc. , a neighborhood nonprofit, is considering a $10,000 to $15,000 grant. The local chapter of Hostelling International , a nonprofit network, plans to give furniture from the former Stanford Hostel to Ohio City Inc. for the Cleveland project. The Stanford Hostel, in Peninsula, closed in 2008 and is now a bed-and-breakfast . A call to the local Hostelling International chapter was not returned.
Raymond said his hostel will be a for-profit endeavor and will not be tied to a network. In Detroit, an independent hostel opened in April and quickly filled its bunks. Michel Soucisse, a Canadian transplant who manages the nonprofit Hostel Detroit, said half the travelers come from other countries. The guests range from tourists to businesspeople and from teenagers to grandparents, he said. "It's a different market than people who stay in hotels," said Ari Maron, whose family is behind the Marketplace redevelopment. "They want to socialize with other travelers and they want to experience the city with other travelers. It really fits into this vibrant, 24-hour urban place that's being created." Proximity to food, entertainment, downtown Cleveland and public transportation made Ohio City a natural choice, Raymond said. His hostel will be a short walk from the West Side Market, surrounded by restaurants, breweries, small shops and bars. "I think it says something about Cleveland that we are a city supporting an international hostel," said Eric Wobser, executive director of Ohio City Inc. "Especially as we're trying to become more global."
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I stay in hostel's when I travel around and thats exciting news that there is one coming to Cleveland. Definitely gonna check it out next time I'm over night for a concert or weekend
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Stayed in 3 different hostels in a tour of England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland. The third was the last . . .
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That movie made my wife paranoid about hostels, and traveling abroad to smaller non-tourist areas. 
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That movie made me paranoid about untalented directors and the popular modern sub-genre of horror also known as torture porn.
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So what is the difference between a hotel and a hostel? (besides an "s")
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For an area that is doing an amazing job of being cleaned up, I don't look at this as a sign of progress. JMHO. I worked at the Market growing up from about '87-94, and my family is still down there, so I know what the area once was.
It is, to this day, the place I love to go down to and drink a few, just took EnglishDawg there last week actually. So many good spots down there now - GLB, Market Garden, Market Ave Wine Bar, Flying Fig, Hecks, Light Bistro, ABC Tavern, Old Angle, OCB, Dragonfly, Bier Markt/Bar Cento, Garage...they've done such a great job, just don't want to cheapen it up any.
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How do you feel it would "cheapen it up", so to speak? Clientele?
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How do you feel it would "cheapen it up", so to speak? Clientele?
Probably so....a hostel is a step away from a flop house.
Sorry, I'll skip the dormitory, mission style sleeping arraignments and continue to check in to a Marriott property.
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Well, even the people that stay in a hostel would probably prefer the Marriott. The point is, these are usually travelers that cannot or do not want to spend hotel/motel money. They want a place to sleep and pee for a night or two. Really, $25 a night isn't much more than an Ohio State Park campground charges for a night.
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To elaborate on my first post and answer some questions, all of the accomadations at the 3 hostels I stayed at in the UK were most comparable to the dorms I lived in at OU.
Multiple bunkbeads in the same room, public bathroom w/ multiple showers. But they all had shower stalls, which my freshman dorm did not . . .
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Well, even the people that stay in a hostel would probably prefer the Marriott. The point is, these are usually travelers that cannot or do not want to spend hotel/motel money. They want a place to sleep and pee for a night or two. Really, $25 a night isn't much more than an Ohio State Park campground charges for a night.
Personally, I don't know why people want to go to a high priced hotel while on vacation in the first place. Do they plan on staying in the hotel or actually see the area?
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The hotel is part of the vacation. Who wants to stay someplace crappy just to save a few bucks?
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How do you feel it would "cheapen it up", so to speak? Clientele?
Probably so....a hostel is a step away from a flop house.
Sorry, I'll skip the dormitory, mission style sleeping arraignments and continue to check in to a Marriott property.
Well said.
Yes, the clientele. With a project high rise just two blocks away, I see nothing but problems with putting this in an area they have really done a nice job building up. Great news a few weeks ago was that Mitchell's Ice Cream is moving their HQ in that debacle that was the old moda club.
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Hostel doesn't equal low life. I'm not following you guys with this one...
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Well, even the people that stay in a hostel would probably prefer the Marriott. The point is, these are usually travelers that cannot or do not want to spend hotel/motel money. They want a place to sleep and pee for a night or two. Really, $25 a night isn't much more than an Ohio State Park campground charges for a night.
Personally, I don't know why people want to go to a high priced hotel while on vacation in the first place. Do they plan on staying in the hotel or actually see the area?
When on a true vacation - we stay at the "high" priced hotels. Example: Virginia Beach this summer. Payed a "high" price for the hotel. Could've saved hundreds for the 6 days we were there if we'd stayed even 2 blocks away. But, those 2 blocks meant we didn't have ocean view rooms, didn't have 3 pools, etc.
When heading to columbus to have my equipment worked - price of the hotel is a factor - but so is location. I'll pay a bit more to stay at a nicer hotel - with restaurants within walking distance, in a decent area - as examples.
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I don't need luxuries. All I need is a place to sleep.
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Guess I'm a little different then. I need a *comfortable* place to sleep. I just don't find that at low end hotels (days inn, red roof etc). Then again, I'm usually traveling for work and I need to be fresh and ready to go each morning - and they're usually footing the bill. For personal travel, I go with what I can afford, but I usually sacrifice a fancy dinner out in favor of a more comfy bed. That said, I'm certainly not opposed to a hostel in Ctown, I just won't choose to stay there. 
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We stay at decent hotels. My wife will use the spa and/or pool, I like to use the gym, etc. And I like to have a bathroom and shower in my room that I don't have to take a number and stand in line to use. And definitely don't want to be in line after GMDawg.
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Guess I'm a little different then. I need a *comfortable* place to sleep. I just don't find that at low end hotels (days inn, red roof etc). Then again, I'm usually traveling for work and I need to be fresh and ready to go each morning - and they're usually footing the bill. For personal travel, I go with what I can afford, but I usually sacrifice a fancy dinner out in favor of a more comfy bed.
That said, I'm certainly not opposed to a hostel in Ctown, I just won't choose to stay there.
There are times when I can go for a hotel. There are times when I'm out doing stuff and just need a place to sleep. Skiing for example. I don't need to spend $500+ /night for a fancy room when all I'll be doing is sleeping then getting up and hitting the slopes again the next day.
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I don't think I've ever stayed at a hotel that cost me more than $100/night. Only time I've done more expensive is for work because they'll foot the bill - and I'm traveling alone, so I need to feel safe. Just can't stand crappy mattresses. I tried that the last time we went to Disney. Paid $30/night for a hotel room. Slept like crap, there were bugs in the room, the floors were DISGUSTING and the sheets were stained. You get what you pay for. May be ok for some, just not for me. I need good sleep, even if I'm traveling for play (like going to Disney) Like I said, good for the people building the hostel, I hope it's a success. I just won't be staying there.
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The most I ever paid for a hotel was on a cross country trip from Cleveland to LA. Stopped with the g/f (now wife) in SA really late. Just wanted to get some sleep, but wanted to hit the riverwalk in the morning. Was really sleepy/lazy and just pulled into the Palacio del Rio and sort of nodded at the valet parking (which I never do) and picking up the key w/o even realizing the price.
Worked out great as they let us keep the room until 4pm the next day and the beds/pillows were ridiculously comfortable (or we were that tired). Walked around the Riverwalk, took the boat tours and had a great time. Then, saw the $175 bill for a night's sleep & parking. Ah well.
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I agree. I may be defending it, but I won't utilize their services. I like comfort too, and as long as I can afford it, I will have it. But to some, a hostel may be quite comfortable and functional. I know many people that have stayed at hostels and been just fine. When my cousin thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail he stayed in some. They were better than the hard ground and more affordable than a HoJo.  And, ftr, my cousin is not questionable clientele.
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If I was just passing through and just needed a place to lay my head, I would stop at a hostel(although most likely I would just catch a few winks in a rest area in my vehicle.)
But I seldom go anywhere where I need accommodations that it won't involve some lounging around time in the room.
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The hotel is part of the vacation. Who wants to stay someplace crappy just to save a few bucks?
Thank-you.
In response to Michelle.....I understand that.
My reply wasn't intended to be a slap at anyone if it was taken that way. Beerdowner expressed some concerns about the area building up and wondering if a hostel might bring that down a bit, and someone else asked a question, about would it be the clientele it would draw.
I have stayed at a few YMCA's in my day(maybe the original hostel operator) , but have been removed from dorm sleeping and communal showers for a good while.
I'll stay at the Marriott or Hilton.
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Guess I'm a little different then. I need a *comfortable* place to sleep. I just don't find that at low end hotels (days inn, red roof etc). Then again, I'm usually traveling for work and I need to be fresh and ready to go each morning - and they're usually footing the bill. For personal travel, I go with what I can afford, but I usually sacrifice a fancy dinner out in favor of a more comfy bed.
That said, I'm certainly not opposed to a hostel in Ctown, I just won't choose to stay there.
There are times when I can go for a hotel. There are times when I'm out doing stuff and just need a place to sleep. Skiing for example. I don't need to spend $500+ /night for a fancy room when all I'll be doing is sleeping then getting up and hitting the slopes again the next day.
Let's don't get carried away here. I have paid $500 or more for a room.... on rare, special occasions, but for normal travel, $89-130 is about the most.
I have stayed at a Red Roof, and they aren't half bad(some of them) for a quick stop and go if I am alone, but for the most part, Marriott Courtyards and Hiltons Hampton Inn's are my choice when on the road, be it on business when I was working or goofing off going to Browns games.
On vacations, I step it up to the brand name hotel of either.
Vacations are for luxury and leisure IMO. As Jules said....it's part of the experience. I look forward to a nice day of sightseeing, and look forward to heading back to my retreat for comfortable amenities and a decent room service and bar if I am not up to heading out again for a nice dinner and a few after dinner drinks.
My attitude on vacation has always been to do it like you make double your salary.
It's only a week or two a year in most cases....skimp the other 50 or so weeks if need be, on vacation, do it right, live it up.
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Love this quote. Exactly.
When I'm in SF for the game later this month, I might even live like I tripled my salary. Wine and seafood for all meals!
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As long as you realize that people staying in hostels are allowed to feel differently, it's all good.
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I have no problems with them, again, just don't think it's a good fit for that area. Next time you are in Cleveland, you should stop around there and see how much they've cleaned it up and some of the great spots that have opened.
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That's cool...glad to hear they are doing well. I actually think it might be neat to have a hostel nearby. Bet some pretty interesting people would come through. And sure, there will probably be some trash that comes through, too...but you can have that in a Marriott.
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Guess I'm a little different then. I need a *comfortable* place to sleep. I just don't find that at low end hotels (days inn, red roof etc). Then again, I'm usually traveling for work and I need to be fresh and ready to go each morning - and they're usually footing the bill. For personal travel, I go with what I can afford, but I usually sacrifice a fancy dinner out in favor of a more comfy bed.
That said, I'm certainly not opposed to a hostel in Ctown, I just won't choose to stay there.
There are times when I can go for a hotel. There are times when I'm out doing stuff and just need a place to sleep. Skiing for example. I don't need to spend $500+ /night for a fancy room when all I'll be doing is sleeping then getting up and hitting the slopes again the next day.
Let's don't get carried away here. I have paid $500 or more for a room.... on rare, special occasions, but for normal travel, $89-130 is about the most.
I have stayed at a Red Roof, and they aren't half bad(some of them) for a quick stop and go if I am alone, but for the most part, Marriott Courtyards and Hiltons Hampton Inn's are my choice when on the road, be it on business when I was working or goofing off going to Browns games.
On vacations, I step it up to the brand name hotel of either.
Vacations are for luxury and leisure IMO. As Jules said....it's part of the experience. I look forward to a nice day of sightseeing, and look forward to heading back to my retreat for comfortable amenities and a decent room service and bar if I am not up to heading out again for a nice dinner and a few after dinner drinks.
My attitude on vacation has always been to do it like you make double your salary.
It's only a week or two a year in most cases....skimp the other 50 or so weeks if need be, on vacation, do it right, live it up.
In my case, I'm not talking about a 1-2 week splurge a year. I'm talking about frequent trips. I ski nearly every weekend from November - May. Ski resorts are about 2.5 hour drive. It'd be great to stay up there for a weekend, but there is no such thing as a $80/night hotel in Vail, CO.
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In my case, I'm not talking about a 1-2 week splurge a year. I'm talking about frequent trips. I ski nearly every weekend from November - May. Ski resorts are about 2.5 hour drive. It'd be great to stay up there for a weekend, but there is no such thing as a $80/night hotel in Vail, CO.
Closest I could find is a Holiday Inn for $110/night. Would be alright if you could find a couple folks to go in on the room with ya. Otherwise, yeah, it'd be pretty difficult/expensive when you're making frequent trips.
My fave place to stay out there is in Glenwood Springs. It's halfway between Vail and Aspen and has a great Hot Springs pool to swim in anytime of year (I have a pic of me in the pool with snow behind me) But then again, I don't ski and haven't in 20+ years. Nasty spill last time out and I still have some minor knee issues.
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I do understand that. You are following a passion and understand that in order to do that as often as you like you have to cut corners elsewhere.
Indeed, access to the best slopes are through the resort towns which are very expensive in high season.
My passion is the Browns. It works out for me that Cleveland in the winter isn't exactly high season, if Cleveland even has a high season.
Just a thought here, and I know there are probably some drawbacks, but if I knew my passion was the slopes and was going to do it many times a year, for many more years, I'd consider a camper.
Maybe as simple as one that fits the bed of a pick-up up to a decent pull behind..as big as you could afford and manage easily.
It might take some sacrifice early on, but in the long run you will get a big payback.
I have never really been out there looking for campgrounds in the area, but I would guess there are many where you could get a weekend hookup if you planned your weekends ahead and reserved a slot.
If I was a Giants fan as an example, I doubt I would make 6-7 of their home games, paying $200 something a night for 3 nights each game.
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I have no problems with them, again, just don't think it's a good fit for that area. Next time you are in Cleveland, you should stop around there and see how much they've cleaned it up and some of the great spots that have opened.
I kind of agree with you in a way, and kind if disagree with you in a way. I know this area well, I grew up right down the road in the west 25th,Clark area.So I know this area has gotten a lot nicer in the 15 years or so I have been gone from this area.
Ohio City seems to be kind of going the route of Tremont, trying to make themsleves into a cool,trendy,hip place for young professioanl types who want to live close to downtowns jobs. I think this hostel is trying to feed into that genre. If its run right itcan be that, if its not done right it is going to become a flop house for the seedier side of Ohio City.
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At $25/night, it would cost someone $775/month to live there.
Now I'm no expert in Cleveland Real Estate, but if it's anything like the Youngstown market, someone could find a small 1 bedroom in a so-so area for a couple hundred per month.
Or do you mean that people would flop there when they had the money to do so?
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John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I think he's talking about things like bums scraping up $25 from panhandling and putting a roof over their heads for a night.
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Aha.
I have to admit that I had no idea what a Hostel is, let alone that we have them in the US.
I don't think that I would want to sleep in the same room as a bunch of other people I don't know. I'd scrape together that extra $40-$50 to get a decent (and private) room somewhere
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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$25 a day is pretty cheap rent on a day to day basis.
Hostels are pretty much for young folks finding the world, or drifters;
Some think it the same, I don't.
But drifters is the more likely clientele.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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